From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #477 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, October 8 2005 Volume 08 : Number 477 In this issue: Dad gunned down It's ESP when kids, cops get on Teen shot in neck Re: [LETTER] Cash for guns worth every penny Re: A call for 'separateness' Right to bear arms Ad campaign targets guns My letter to the Toronto Star Re: Ad campaign targets guns Fw: DEALING IN DRUGS MOST DEADLY JOB, JTF2 buys new guns; regular troops make do Mercer among VIPs to visit Canadian troops ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:16:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Dad gunned down http://torontosun.canoe.ca/News/TorontoAndGTA/2005/10/08/1253419-sun.html Dad gunned down Victim hit in face with shotgun expected to live By ROB LAMBERTI, TORONTO SUN Sat, October 8, 2005 A father of five was shot in the face by a shotgun-toting man in the parking lot of a Scarborough apartment building yesterday afternoon. A 30-year-old man was hit in the face when confronted by a man between a parked minivan and a small trailer behind building at Lawrence Ave. and Scarborough Golf Club Rd. The victim and his girlfriend had argued with several males shortly before he was wounded, police said. Det. Stephen Peconi said the victim was taken to hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. Dwight Dilleon, 20, is wanted by police in connection with the attack. He's black, 5-foot-6 with a stocky build, and is considered armed and dangerous. Peconi said residents are telling cops they're "fed up" about what's going on and are co-operating with investigators. He said the victim was shot between the van and trailer, and then ran to a door at the side of the building, seeking help. The shooting occurred near a daycare centre at the Toronto Housing building, something Peconi described as being "not good." The incident also forced a nearby elementary school to lock down until police searching the area ensured it was clear. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:16:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: It's ESP when kids, cops get on http://torontosun.canoe.ca/News/TorontoAndGTA/2005/10/08/1253434-sun.html It's ESP when kids, cops get on Program changing attitudes in Toronto schools By BRIAN GRAY, TORONTO SUN Sat, October 8, 2005 Avoiding the police was a badge of honour for many Toronto students but those attitudes are changing thanks to ESP. "I used to think the police were bad people," admits Bryan Vidal, a Grade 10 student at St. Mary's Catholic Secondary School. "I would stay away from them." Then he joined Empowered Student Partnerships, a program designed to give the city's youth the ability to come up with their own answers to rising violence. Bryan joined the St. Mary's ESP team last year at the urging of his older sister Ashley, now in Grade 11. "There's been a big change in him," Ashley says. "Now he talks to me about his problems he's having in school and outside school." The program has given Bryan confidence and a sense of teamwork and responsibility -- it's also given him respect for the police, he said. About 100 Toronto schools from all four school boards -- both public and Catholic, English and French -- gathered inside Hart House at the University of Toronto this week for the kickoff of this year's program. "Students know what is going on in their schools," says the Network's president, Stu Auty. "They know what the problems are while teachers and principals often don't." The problems at St. Mary's, says Grade 11 student Sharona Weekes, included harassment and intimidation of students who joined ESP. They called it the school's "snitch team," she says, but the group's successes have led to a change in attitude and a change in the atmosphere. "Now you're cool if you are on the ESP team," says fellow student Brian Cavaco, decked out in the T-shirt and jacket team members have raised money to buy. The team has extended its activities beyond St. Mary's walls and into the community by cleaning graffiti off walls, Cavaco says. Overcoming negative attitudes towards police is a by-product of giving students a voice in making their schools and communities safer. And, in turn, ESP has the support of the police. "I love this program," Chief Bill Blair says. "Because it's students helping students. They do a better job of solving these problems than we could do without them." SENSE OF BELONGING It also gives students a sense of belonging and is credited with completely turning around the academic performance of at least one St. Mary's student. "I now know I can make a difference," says Grade 10 student Anthony Fernandes. His contribution included developing a program to stop a rash of locker break-ins, anti-bullying campaigns and he's also benefited from a stint at leadership camp. Break-ins were eliminated, says the school's vice principal Tony Casole, but an even bigger change was seen in Anthony. "I used to see Anthony in the office because of all sorts of behavioural problems he had," Casole said. "Now he comes to school and he's getting something out of it." Anthony confirms his attitude has changed -- he looks forward to going to class. "Once a person cares about his class and his community you feel like you belong and there's a sense of ownership," he says. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 09:16:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Teen shot in neck http://torontosun.canoe.ca/News/TorontoAndGTA/2005/10/08/1253420-sun.html Teen shot in neck By JONATHAN JENKINS, TORONTO SUN Sat, October 8, 2005 The father of a gunshot victim sat on the pavement outside St. Michael's emergency room and sobbed quietly last night as friends tried to console him. Too distraught to talk to a reporter, he leaned against the brick wall of the hospital as his companions rubbed his back. The victim, 19, was awake as he was brought into hospital, they said, but police and medical staff had not been able to tell them anything else. Nearby, a police officer interviewed a teen who may have witnessed the shooting. The man's son was shot in the neck around an hour earlier at 9:10 p.m. near Regent St. and St. David's Walk in Regent Park. Ambulance officials said the victim's wounds were serious but not life-threatening. Police added the man may face paralysis. A red hat lay in the street near to where the shooting took place. Regent St. north and south of the scene was closed off as officers searched the scene, which includes the grounds of Regent Park/Duke of York Junior Public School, with a dog. Other officers canvassed the area, knocking on doors in search of anyone who heard the shots or saw something. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:52:17 -0600 (CST) From: mred@295.ca Subject: Re: [LETTER] Cash for guns worth every penny > http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Arti > cle_Type1&c=Article&cid=1128723022747&call_pageid=968332189003&col=96835011 > 6895 > > Cash for guns worth every penny > > Re: New crime-fighting strategy: Cash for firearms, Oct. 7. > > The cash-for-guns program is a creative response to the recent outbreak of Hey!!!!!!!! I would buy the guns for whatever I can get them for ?I have all the neccessary papers and aprovals. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:53:30 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: A call for 'separateness' - ----- Original Message ----- > http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Arti > cle_Type1&c=Article&cid=1128723024501&call_pageid=968332188492&col=96879397 > 2154&t=TS_Home&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes > > A call for 'separateness' > Partnership of 22 groups seeking distinct programs > Gun violence and deaths behind controversial initiative > > ANDREW CHUNG > STAFF REPORTER > Oct. 8, 2005. 08:19 AM > > Among the more far-reaching solutions proposed is a new provincial > ministry > office on African-Canadian affairs, created to help black Ontarians get > access to services that alleviate poverty, help keep youth in school and > allow them to thrive culturally. > > The coalition is also calling for: > > # A court diversion program for blacks who commit minor offences. > > # An economic development agency for blacks. > > # A skills training and employment access program focused on blacks. > > # Police to keep race-based statistics > # Repeal of the zero-tolerance school discipline policy, which the Ontario > H Sounds good on the surface ? but who is going to pay for all this frivolty ? the blacks? or the middle class oppressed taxpayer ? again ?If they want it? let them pay for it ? Its user pay for just about everything in Kanada now ,including health care. Now they want special privleges that wont be available to whites just because their black youths find it easier to sell drugs, women ,and guns, than get a decent job. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:56:49 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Subject: Right to bear arms http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051006/NEWS/210060405/100 1/news01Right to bear arms Rep. Baxley says workplace gun bill will bring 'safer society'RICK CUNDIFFTHE STAR-BANNER Enlarge | PurchaseOCALA - State Rep. Dennis Baxley is confident his proposed bill to allow employees to have guns in their vehicles on work property is a surefire winner. "It's a national issue, really. I felt like Florida should take a position," the Ocala Republican said Tuesday. "It's just a matter of time until the anti-gun lobby gets to every major employer." But some Ocala employers who currently prohibit their employees from bringing guns into the parking lot are uneasy about Baxley's proposal. "It seems precarious to me," said Pat Reddish, human resources director for Signature Brands. "It just opens up so many opportunities for things to happen. "Under current policy, Signature Brands reserves the right to search employee vehicles on work property, and having a gun in a vehicle could res ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 15:19:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Ad campaign targets guns http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=articl e&sid=1902&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 Ad campaign targets guns Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 04:12 PM 20051006_ad_campaign.jpgOne handgun can have deadly repercussions. That's why Toronto Crime Stoppers has launched an advertising campaign to help rid Toronto streets of illegal or crime-related handguns by offering up to $500 for a tip that leads to a seizure. "This has been one of the worst years for gun violence in Toronto's history and Toronto Crime Stoppers recognized the need for a program to help the police fight this crime," said Crime Stoppers chair Lorne Simon. Crime Stoppers is a non-profit organization that takes anonymous tips on crime at 416-222-TIPS over the phone and online at www.222tips.com Chief Bill Blair said the cash incentive is another opportunity for citizens to help in making the city a safer place. "A gun in the hand of a hardened criminal. a single gun can cause so much grief, so much trauma to families, so much fear in the community," Chief Blair said. "I believe it gives people the opportunity to supply the police with information in a way that is safe and can do so anonymously." Ontario Attorney-General Michael Bryant said one tip can save a life. "One tip that takes away a handgun makes a large difference to the community," Bryant said. "Gun violence is a scourge in the city that confronts us all. It is a problem we must tackle on all fronts; the provincial government and the justice system has a role to play, Crime Stoppers has a role to play and our community has a role to play." Advertising agency DDB Canada volunteered their time to create the radio and print ads for the one-month campaign. "It's very simple and direct," DDB creative director Andrew Simon, said of the campaign. "We really want to talk to those people with first- hand knowledge of an illegal handgun." Media and print production companies have volunteered their time and resources, including: 24 hours, Astral Media Outdoor, 1050 CHUM, 104.5 CHUM FM, Clockwork Productions Inc., Eye Weekly, Eucan Canada, Gallop & Gallop Advertising Inc., Grassroots Advertising Inc., GSI Imaging Inc., National Post, OMD Canada, Parker Pad & Printing, Pattison Outdoor Advertising, Schawk Cactus, The Toronto Sun, Viacom Outdoor, Z103.5, Zoom Media. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 15:32:55 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to the Toronto Star Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Cash for guns worth every penny As usual, the anti-gun extremists get it completely wrong. Barbara Lord thinks that the current CrimeStoppers initiative is for unwanted guns in the hands of the law abiding who may no longer want them. But as the responsible firearms owners of Canada have pointed out time and again, these kinds of guns are rarely, if ever, used to commit a crime. This "cash for guns" program is targeted specifically at guns that were actually used to commit a crime. The ability to turn in unwanted guns to the police, or even selling them to other law abiding gun owners, already existed. And that "if it saves one life" tripe is getting rather old. If Lord and her kind think that such so-called "gun control" programs are worth the cost, then they can pay for it out of their own pockets, not mine. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 16:13:03 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: Ad campaign targets guns At 03:19 PM 10/8/05 -0600, you wrote: > > >http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=artic l >e&sid=1902&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 > >Ad campaign targets guns >Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 04:12 PM > >20051006_ad_campaign.jpgOne handgun can have deadly repercussions. That's >why Toronto Crime Stoppers has launched an advertising campaign to help rid >Toronto streets of illegal or crime-related handguns by offering up to $500 >for a tip that leads to a seizure. Why don't they offer rewards for the miscreants that think it is socially acceptable to rob, threaten, injure and kill citizens with any weapons at all? One habitual criminal at large can have deadly reprocussions. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:43:23 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Hill" Subject: Fw: DEALING IN DRUGS MOST DEADLY JOB, - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hill" To: "The Editor Edmonton Sun" Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: DEALING IN DRUGS MOST DEADLY JOB, Edmonton Sun 7 Oct. 2005 >To the editor, > Doug Beazley's line "If you said "drug dealer," give yourself a gold star" > was the response to the query: What was the most dangerous job in Canada > last year? The one most likely to get you shot, stabbed or strangled? He > is 100% right! So, why is it that Law abiding gun owners continue to be > the ones punished for this. I am getting sick of reading the paper and > watching the news report on drug dealers walking free or being given > ridiculously low sentences for their crimes while at the same time, in > this country, gun owners are being persecuted. A recent example is a > current case in Dryden, Ont. where an attempt was made to seize a > gunsmith's home, in order that he not be allowed to use the equity in it > to fight trumped up charges laid because he is a member of an organization > attempting, through peaceful means to fight the Billion plus dollar > boondoggle, the Firearms registry, paper crimes if crimes at all. Until > the Federal and Provincial Governments get serious on sentencing of real > criminals and make a commitment to ensure they serve those sentences, the > drug dealer's job will be attractive to too many, despite it's dangers. > See http://brucemontague.ca/ for info on the gunsmith mentioned earlier. > > Jim Hill (RCMP, ret.) > Fletchers Lake, N.S. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:35:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: JTF2 buys new guns; regular troops make do http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=50135b34-186c - -4b7d-8715-f2afc3dcf21e JTF2 buys new guns; regular troops make do MP blasts 'double standard' that puts lives of elite soldiers above others David Pugliese The Ottawa Citizen October 8, 2005 Canada's special forces unit has gone on a multimillion-dollar spending spree, outfitting itself with high-tech weaponry that is the envy of units throughout the military. But some members of parliament are questioning why there appears to be a double-standard in equipping regular and elite soldiers. Flush with federal government cash, the Ottawa-based Joint Task Force 2 has purchased everything from the futuristic P-90 submachine-gun to the Heckler and Koch automatic grenade launcher. A JTF2 procurement team recently returned from Sweden, where it test-fired and then ordered a new anti-armour weapon specially designed to be used in confined spaces or for fighting in cities. In addition, JTF2 has received armoured transport trucks from a U.S. company, Stewart and Stevenson, for use in Afghanistan. The unit also recently bought a portable X-ray machine designed to ferret out bombs. That system has also been shipped to Afghanistan. But Conservative MP Gordon O'Connor is accusing Defence Minister Bill Graham of "a double standard when it comes to protecting the lives of our soldiers." He said regular troops now in Kandahar, as well as those expected to arrive there on an even riskier combat-oriented mission in February, face a similar level of danger as those serving in Joint Task Force 2. "I think it's great that JTF2 is getting the Stewart and Stevenson trucks with the armour kits, because they do need them," said Mr. O'Connor, a retired general. "But so do the others." "To listen to the minister argue that somehow the rest of our troops and the ones arriving in February are going to be in different circumstances is basically fiddle-faddle. "Roadside bombs and attacks by rocket-propelled grenades go on whether you're chasing the enemy in the mountains or whether you're in Kandahar," he added. Mr. Graham says there are different missions ongoing in Afghanistan and that since JTF2 is highly specialized, it requires different equipment. The Department of National Defence did not respond for comment on the issue. Military officials recently revealed that JTF2 has participated in operations against Taliban and al-Qaeda forces and was involved in the capture and killing of insurgents. They did not provide further details on those actions. But regular force troops serving in Afghanistan are also facing danger, the latest being a suicide bomb attack that caused minor injuries to three soldiers. Unlike the regular forces, which obtain their equipment through the ponderously slow federal procurement system, JTF2 is able to cut through much of the red tape and quickly get approvals for gear from the military and political leadership. The unit also does not have to deal with the usual rules on government accountability and its purchases are considered secret. When regular troops were driving around in unarmoured Iltis vehicles in Afghanistan several years ago, the JTF2 commandos were outfitted with the latest armoured Humvee vehicles equipped with heavy machine-guns. While JTF2 quickly received approval for its new automatic grenade launchers and anti-tank weapons, the army has been waiting for years to buy similar gear. That equipment is not expected to be acquired by regular units for at least another year or two. In April, JTF2 procurement officers spent days touring the CANSEC defence equipment exhibition in Ottawa, meeting with company representatives and obtaining details on the latest military gadgets. Mr. O'Connor said JTF2 is able to acquire its equipment faster because the unit is ordering small amounts of gear and it has been given priority on such purchases by the military's leadership. "They have their own procurement system where they don't have to go through all the checks and balances," he said. In particular, Mr. O'Connor questioned why the regular army has to do without basic armour protection for its logistics trucks, even though such vehicles could be open to attack by enemy forces using roadside bombs or rocket-propelled grenades. In 2001, the government gave JTF2 $119 million, in addition to its ongoing annual budget, to significantly expand the size of the special forces unit and acquire new equipment. This spring, the federal government announced another infusion of cash. It earmarked $2.7 billion for new JTF2 training facilities, as well as equipment for the unit and new helicopters and trucks for the Canadian Forces overall. Military officials have declined to detail how much of that $2.7 billion would go to JTF2. Chief of the Defence Staff Gen. Rick Hillier wants JTF2 to play a more significant role in future military operations. JTF2's budget is secret, but in the mid-1990s, when the unit was made up of around 100 commandos, the government was spending about $40 million a year on the group. The unit now has approximately 500 members, according to a newly released Senate defence committee report. © The Ottawa Citizen 2005 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:13:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Mercer among VIPs to visit Canadian troops http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051008/afghan_moralet rip_051008/20051008?hub=Canada Mercer among VIPs to visit Canadian troops CTV.ca News Staff Comedian Rick Mercer and Olympic speed skating gold medalist Catriona Le May Doan are among the high-profile Canadians headed to Afghanistan on a trip meant to boost morale among the troops, the Toronto Star reports. The elite entourage also includes Montreal Canadiens legend Guy Lafleur, who says he may not find many Habs fans on the streets of Afghanistan, but he is expecting a warm reception from the troops. "I take it as a once-in-a-lifetime trip," Lafleur told the Star this week, before he left. "It's a great honour for me to be able to go there and try to encourage these guys that are going a great job." Lafleur, the winner of five Stanley Cups, says he may even join the troops on patrol. "If it's safe enough, we'll do some patrols in Kandahar and Kabul." Lafleur is among a contingent of entertainers, athletes, and VIPs who will be in Afghanistan next week for a taxpayer-funded visit. It's a return visit for Mercer, who made a 2003 trip to Afghanistan into a TV special. Also on the list are Defence Minister Bill Graham, Rudyard Griffiths, executive director of the Dominion Institute, and retired commanders Maj.-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie and Rear Admiral Ken Summers. It's not clear when the cadre of VIPs will arrive in Afghanistan as officials are keeping a tight lid on details in an effort to maintain strict security. The dignitaries will be surrounded by Joint Task Force 2, the secretive commando unit, who provide military-VIP security abroad. Earlier this week, it was a close call for Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan after a suspected suicide bomber blew up a truck packed with explosives near their patrol. Three soldiers from Edmonton were treated for superficial injuries, said Col. Steve Bowes, commander of the Canadian Provincial Reconstruction Team (PRT). There was some bruising, and one soldier received minor burns to his hands and the back of his neck. All three have been treated and are back on duty. The names of the injured Canadian soldiers -- who are part of the 101-soldier Edmonton contingent -- won't be released. They were part of a routine supply convoy bringing goods to Canada's provincial reconstruction team in Kandahar. A small Canadian force of about 250 troops is working in Kandahar right now, with another 1,000 set to deploy early next year. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #477 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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