From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #511 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, October 19 2005 Volume 08 : Number 511 In this issue: Re: Re: They let Maggie go! [Mea Culpa] Re: Mr. Ed's objection to the costs of jail time ... Letter to the Editor of the Toronto Sun 18 October 2005 RE: Stephen Harper's fear-mongering: more blather from the idiots. Conservative MP John Reynolds Slams Liberal Party Re-Bruce Montaque on Peter Warren Show Bird hunters broke 28 laws CASH FOR GUNS REMINDER LOCK UP GUN-LOVING THUG MOUNTIES CHARGE MAN IN SHOOTING Criminals are getting walk in the park: chiefs CONVICTS GET FREE RIDES: CHIEFS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:43:12 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Re: They let Maggie go! [Mea Culpa] - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Jordan" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Re: They let Maggie go! [Mea Culpa] >> Yes there's no doubt you are right .I was just trying to make it >> clear what >> form of subversive tyranny we are under ? I did not wish to start an >> argument? but just clarification ? >> >> Thanks for your input. >> ed/ontario > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Sorry if I came off writing and sounding caustic in a personal way. > That, actually was the farthest thing on my mind. > > I guess that I'm just really very, very, tired of "our rights" and now > everybody else's' rights, being ever so slowly subverted by ALL levels of > gov't in this once wonderful country. > As I'm sure, so is everybody else that reads or contributes to this > digest. > And I guess that, that was reflected in my reply to your Q. about > Admiralty > Law and English common law. No need to apologize I KNOW where youre coming from!!!!!!!! you have elucidated the feelings that I have long felt .....and believe it or not ? more and more people are beginning to listen and agree with me here in the far east .........Hamilton Ontario Keep posting your thoughts as I find them intelligent and quite observant. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:43:49 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Mr. Ed's objection to the costs of jail time ... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert S. Sciuk" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 11:59 AM Subject: Mr. Ed's objection to the costs of jail time ... >> Subject: Letter to National Post (unpub) ... >> >> > Bus driver may lose an eye to gunshot wound ... (fwd) >> > >> > Dear Sir/Madame, > [snip] >> The bottom line is money although the Lieberals wont admit it ? It costs >> tons of money to keep our prisoners in jail to a lifestyle to which they > > A modest proposal -- with apologies to Jonathan Swift ... > > Mr. Ed. > > Simply a bad use of resources. We could do things MUCH more efficiently > than > building, staffing and maintaining those expensive prisons, and better > utilize > our vast natural resources at the same time ... Much better idea I have to agree with you! ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:44:12 -0600 (CST) From: Mark L Horstead Subject: Letter to the Editor of the Toronto Sun 18 October 2005 Perhaps those pushing for safe injection sites and provision of free needles etcetera as "harm reduction" measures could take their idea one step further and provide shooting ranges, coaches, and free ammunition to gangsters. Helping these idiots to improve their aim would reduce the number of innocents killed and maimed. Mark L Horstead Newmarket, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:25:10 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: RE: Stephen Harper's fear-mongering: more blather from the idiots. >From: zulu_tango >Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca >To: undisclosed-recipients: ; >Subject: Stephen Harper's fear-mongering >Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:59:52 -0600 (CST) > >Hahahaha hehehehehehehe bahahahahaha! This MacKinnon >guy is hilarious! Tell me, where can I catch his >stand-up act? Will he be at Yuk-Yuks in Ottawa any >time soon? Oh, my sides! What did youy expect. It's just more blather from the Idiots! Ed Sieb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:30:46 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Conservative MP John Reynolds Slams Liberal Party http://www.ltvnews.com/viewarticle.php?id=3470 Conservative MP John Reynolds Slams Liberal Party Frank Tridico LTVNews.com Tuesday, October 18 2005, 7:55AM West Vancouver Conservative MP John Reynolds, recognized as the man who coined the phrase 'political whore' brought national and international attention to the sponsorship (AdScam) scandal and the ongoing investigation of the Gomery Inquiry over misappropriation of funds. In an exclusive interview for my upcoming book Inside Sault Ste. Marie Politics, Mr. Reynolds espoused significant criticism for the governing Liberals. The following is a portion of the full interview for the book. "The AdScam scandal is a Liberal Party of Canada scandal," stated Reynolds. "It reveals to Canadians just how the Liberals have come to view the national treasury as an extension of the Liberal Party's of the Liberal Party's bank account. It's almost weekly that new spending scandals come to light and each and every time it is a prominent Liberal involved. Liberals have done great damage to the morale of our public service and that is unfortunate." When asked about the latest scandal involving David Dingwall's resignation of his presidency of the Royal Canadian Mint Reynolds stated, "It was Conservative MP Brian Pallister who brought to light the excessive spending of another prominent Liberal and patronage appointee, David Dingwall. Paul Martin defended Dingwall's expense account and Dingwall personally in the House of Commons and all but described Dingwall as a great Canadian. Stephen Harper is a man of great integrity and would never tolerate such abuses. And he would, I am certain, search for ways to prevent such abuses in the future, even if it means enacting legislation or rewriting the rule book on behaviour of employees of the federal government." I asked Mr. Reynolds about how he defines integrity, within the context of federal governance. "Integrity is doing the right thing at all times and keeping in mind that we are sent here as trustees and representatives of the people of Canada and the money they send us is sent in trust. Those dollars are Canadians' dollars and we must never forget that. Unfortunately the Liberals seem to have forgotten what the 'public trust' means and seem to have adopted the belief that what's good for the Liberal Party is good for Canada." Many northern, rural and smaller communities have vulnerable economies. Specifically, Sault Ste. Marie has not elected a conservative candidate in many years. I asked Mr. Reynolds what does the Conservative Party of Canada offer them? "We offer a host of policy proposals that begin with lowering taxes and the cost of doing business. A Conservative government will increase our trading initiatives and enhance the business climate. I believe the voters in Sault Ste. Marie are just as desirous of having a Prime Minister who is not caught up in scandal and is a man of integrity as other Canadians. Voters know that billion dollar boondoggles and two billion dollars spent on the gun registry would have been far better spent in places like Sault Ste. Marie and other smaller centers and in rural communities." As for the Liberal, NDP alliance, John Reynolds held the union as opportunism and economic irresponsibility. "We have seen the Liberal Budget thrown out the window and vast increases in spending. We saw the possibility of tax relief vanish because the Liberals agreed to spend additional billions to buy the support of the NDP. The NDP have allowed Paul Martin to dither and wander and to make speeches all over Canada without doing a solitary thing to address the issues most important to Canadians." Sault Ste. Marie federal Conservative candidate Ken Walker called John Reynolds' participation in the book and local project "an example of the proactive initiative and respect the federal Conservative Party has for our community. Mr. Reynolds was the first to accept an interview and shows Sault Ste. Marie that we are important to Ottawa. I intend to bring a voice to the House of Commons and help restore integrity to politics." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:39:35 -0600 (CST) From: Larry James Fillo Subject: Re-Bruce Montaque on Peter Warren Show Dear Bruce; I heard you on the Peter Warren Show last weekend. It was excellent coverage! For all civil rights and liberties advocates hearing that the Ontario (+Fed. Gov. ?!) have placed a lien on your home in an attempt to deprive you of funding a proper defence is an outrage. It needs further publicity before the federal election. Out the Bullies. And that they are using the provisions of the law designed to confiscate the proceeds of organized crime is a further outrage. It shows the wisdom of Lord Acton's proverb "Power Corrupts and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely." (maybe Toronto's Eddie Greenspan would challenge that aspect on a Pro Bono basis?) Bringing this attempt to prevent your Charter guaranteed access to natural justice to public attention shows how fragile even our expressed Charter Rights are. It also shows how badly they want to suppress even legal challenges to their $2 billion boondoggle. Some have begun to speculate that there is a large amount of Liberal "Adscam" style corruption involved in the Feds firearms fiasco. That explains their motivation. (Remember Chretien, used the RCMP to raid the home of the Business Development Bank's former President in an attempt to cover up the Shawinigate scandal.) I was particularly impressed when you corrected Gary Breitkreitz on the importance of challenging the concept of a possession certificate! That is most important. Your pointing out it makes criminals out of simple possession of a firearm was "straight shooting". Also, in effect C-68, by making the possession of a firearm a criminal offence confiscated every privately owned firearm in Canada, and a renewable Possession Certificate means that the government is requiring us to lease our own property from it at whatever cost and under whatever changing conditions they want. Even non gun owners understand how much a violation of property rights that is and a dangerous precedent. Your sacrifices and trials and that of your family in defence of our Rights and Liberties is appreciated. Larry James Fillo Saskatoon, Sask. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:18:51 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Bird hunters broke 28 laws PUBLICATION: The Leader-Post (Regina) DATE: 2005.10.19 EDITION: Final SECTION: City & Province PAGE: B1 / Front BYLINE: Erin Morrison SOURCE: Leader-Post WORD COUNT: 288 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bird hunters broke 28 laws - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ An ongoing debate about more supervision for visiting bird hunters has not been resolved in time to prevent a group of American hunters from breaking 28 hunting laws in Saskatchewan. Seven U.S. residents, from Arizona, Kentucky and California, have been ordered to pay nearly $20,000 in fines for breaking hunting laws in southwest Saskatchewan. Among the violations was a conviction for shooting a protected species - -- a rare great horned owl was shot by a member of the group. They were also fined for exceeding daily and annual possession limits, carrying loaded firearms in a vehicle, hunting within 500 metres of occupied buildings and hunting without a licence. "From time to time you do get a group of individuals that come up and show a total disregard for the law," said Doug Lucyshyn, a Saskatchewan Environment conservation officer. Hal Stupenoff, executive director for the Saskatchewan Outfitters Association, said the crimes could have been prevented if Saskatchewan Environment proceeded with proposed legislation to require an outfitter to arrange trips for visiting bird hunters. The organization representing 650 outfitters in the province has spent two years asking the province, along with the Alberta and Manitoba governments, to make outfitters mandatory for visiting bird hunters. Outfitters are already mandatory for non-residents hunting other animals in Saskatchewan. Along with the benefits to the outfitter businesses, Stupenoff said that hunters would then be properly informed of hunting laws in the province. Kevin Omoth, Saskatchewan's provincial outfitting manager, confirmed "that discussion has been ongoing for many, many years," regarding requiring an outfitter. But he doesn't expect to see any such regulation appear in the near future, he said. "(The Saskatchewan Outfitters Association) would like to have it mandatory, and other groups don't want to have it mandatory ... I wouldn't put much more stock in it than that," he said. The Turn In Poachers hotline gets about 1,000 calls each year reporting illegal hunting practices in the province, according to Lucyshyn. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:19:14 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: CASH FOR GUNS REMINDER PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2005.10.19 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 18 BYLINE: SUN WIRE SERVICES COLUMN: Sunflashes WORD COUNT: 102 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CASH FOR GUNS REMINDER - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Following the city's latest shooting, which may cost a TTC driver his sight, Toronto Crime Stoppers is reminding citizens of its cash for guns program. The 30-day appeal for anonymous tips to help police rid the city of deadly firearms has so far yielded more than two dozen calls and taken one handgun off the street, Crime Stoppers says. The project, which was launched Oct. 6, offers up to $500 for any tip that leads to the seizure of an illegal gun. Tipsters can call 416-222-TIPS. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:19:48 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: LOCK UP GUN-LOVING THUG PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2005.10.19 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 5 BYLINE: IAN MCDOUGALL, COURTS BUREAU WORD COUNT: 181 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CROWN ASKS JUDGE TO LOCK UP GUN-LOVING THUG AND THROW AWAY KEY - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Crown attorney prosecuting alleged street gangster J-Bug is demanding a stiff sentence to send the message that gun crimes won't be tolerated in Toronto. "The plague of firearms in this city is so notorious your honour can take judicial notice of it," Crown Matthew Boswell said while arguing for a 10-year sentence for Jermaine (J-Bug) Grant, 22. "This is a problem that in the Crown's submission is almost out of control in the city of Toronto," Boswell added. Grant has been convicted of possession of a prohibited firearm and possession of a firearm while under prohibition. He has also been convicted of breaching bail and possession of cocaine. He was chased down and arrested on Aug. 27, 2004. A .45-calibre Para-Ordnance handgun was later recovered. Boswell noted Grant was under four different orders prohibiting him from possessing firearms at the time. He also pointed to Grant's criminal record that includes convictions for armed robbery and weapons. The Crown called evidence from Det.-Const. Richard Bobbis in a bid to show Grant was a member of the Jamestown Crips gang as an aggravating factor in sentencing. Justice Ian Nordheimer seemed skeptical about Grant's gang ties, saying there was little direct evidence of his membership in the Crips. Defence lawyer Anna Martin argued that an appropriate sentence should be two years in addition to credit for time served, which would work out to a total of four years. Nordheimer is expected to deliver his judgment today. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:20:02 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: MOUNTIES CHARGE MAN IN SHOOTING PUBLICATION: The Winnipeg Sun DATE: 2005.10.19 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 7 BYLINE: STAFF COLUMN: Police Briefs WORD COUNT: 302 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MOUNTIES CHARGE MAN IN SHOOTING - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A Pukatawagan man has been charged with manslaughter after a shooting that occurred Sunday about 20 kilometres outside the northern Manitoba town. Joseph Eric Thomas Hunter, a 44-year-old Pukatawagan resident, was preparing his boat to go hunting on Sunday afternoon when he was shot in the chest and died. RCMP have said the shooting was accidental but nonetheless have arrested 28-year-old Joseph Jason Caribou. He's been charged with manslaughter, criminal negligence causing death, careless use of a firearm and pointing a firearm. He is scheduled to appear in provincial court today. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:20:36 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Criminals are getting walk in the park: chiefs PUBLICATION: The Hamilton Spectator DATE: 2005.10.19 EDITION: Final SECTION: Local PAGE: A1 BYLINE: Richard Brennan and Sean Gordon SOURCE: Toronto Star WORD COUNT: 641 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Criminals are getting walk in the park: chiefs - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ontario's police chiefs say the justice system is so dysfunctional that convicted murderers and sex offenders are allowed to visit Canada's Wonderland. York Police Chief Armand La Barge said yesterday he discovered over the summer that as many as nine hardcore criminals were given travel permits by their federal handlers to attend the amusement park. La Barge said this illustrates how out of sync the justice system has become and its growing "insensitivity" to victims of crime. "Can you imagine the victims, who are still trying to put their lives together, running into their attackers?" asked La Barge, who is president of the Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police, following a Queen's Park press conference. He said sometimes these convicts are escorted and sometimes they are not. The Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police has decided to launch a high- profile campaign targeting what it sees as serious flaws in the justice system -- both provincial and federal -- and the lack of appropriate sentencing. "Conditional and intermittent sentences, house arrest ... mandatory parole and weekend passes to local theme parks do little to dissuade murderers ... child molesters (and others) from committing these horrific crimes," he remarked. Ontario Attorney General Michael Bryant could only shake his head. "Don't ask me to defend it because it is not defensible," he replied. A Correctional Service Canada official said this kind of permit is issued all the time. "Travel permits are issued for offenders who are being supervised in the community and they are authorized for a number of reasons, including education, employment, humanitarian reasons, medical reasons and recreation," Holly Knowles said. "If the reason for the application is any way related to the risk it will not be authorized. An offender who has an abstain from alcohol condition won't be authorized to visit a winery." La Barge said at a time when police are overwhelmed by marijuana grow operations, guns and gangs, drugs, child pornography and organized crime, the courts are handing out the sentences that don't reflect the seriousness of the offences. "The police and the public are quickly losing confidence in the system's ability to deal with those individuals who involve themselves in predatory, violent and organized criminal activity," he said. "We are looking for meaningful sentences for the types of crime we are dealing with ... there have to be consequences." La Barge said the justice system is dogged with a "critical" lack of justices of the peace, constants remands, lengthy delays, overbooked Crown attorneys and a growing insensitivity toward victims of crime. Bryant said there is legislation being introduced shortly that will address some of these concerns as well as "streamline" the justice system so that serious matters are treated accordingly. The Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police has formed a criminal justice committee headed by former association president Tom Kaye, the police chief in Owen Sound, to push to "restore public confidence in this important institution." At the same time as the Queen's Park press conference was being held, representatives from the country's largest police associations were testifying before a Commons committee in Ottawa, demanding a get-tough approach beginning with mandatory jail sentences for weapons-related offences. "It's time for us to pull our heads out of the sand and recognize the carnage on our streets," said Toronto Deputy Chief Tony Warr, who oversees the department's specialized operations command. Toronto police are seeking a pair of further amendments to a proposed private member's bill, which faces a tougher procedural road than government- sponsored legislation, calling for a mandatory minimum of five years for using a firearm in the commission of an offence, 10 years if it is fired, and 15 years if it injures or kills. Warr said his force would like a five-year minimum jail term for possessing a firearm and an extension of the minimum terms to drug offences. A federal Justice department lawyer said the bill likely wouldn't survive a constitutional challenge and "aren't worth Parliament's time." Detractors say there is little evidence minimum sentences work, and would probably result in more, not fewer, plea bargains. Justice Minister Irwin Cotler has said he opposes mandatory sentencing on principle, although justice officials said a meeting next month between he and his provincial counterparts will likely result in proposals that seek to modify the Criminal Code and federal sentencing guidelines. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:20:46 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: CONVICTS GET FREE RIDES: CHIEFS PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2005.10.19 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 4 ILLUSTRATION: photo by Ernest Doroszuk Offenders on parole are enjoying "a nice, leisurely day at Wonderland," says York Region Police Chief Armand La Barge. BYLINE: ALAN FINDLAY, QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU WORD COUNT: 313 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONVICTS GET FREE RIDES: CHIEFS AMUSEMENT PASSES FOR PAROLEES - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ontario's police chiefs lashed out yesterday against a justice system that gives amusement park passes to murderers and sex offenders on conditional release. Announcing a blue-ribbon committee to "tackle" justice reform, the Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police said the system is inefficient and ineffective thanks to everything from downloaded court costs on local police forces to lax treatment of convicts on parole or weekend passes. "The victims of these types of crimes are still trying to piece their lives back together and the criminals who committed these assaults and murders are enjoying a nice, leisurely day at Wonderland," said York Region Chief Armand La Barge, who is also president of the association. "I think the public will be shocked to know these are the types of permits being issued." MURDERER GOT PASS La Barge said police have documented cases of travel permits being issued by federal authorities for trips to amusement parks, including a man convicted and sentenced to life in prison for second-degree murder and sexual assault. Another convicted killer had a season's pass to the park, said La Barge. A spokesman for Correctional Service Canada said travel permits are issued for a variety of reasons ranging from court appearances to work to recreation. A permit to Canada's Wonderland would never be issued to an offender who has conditions on their release preventing it, said Holly Knowles. She said admission would by paid for by the offenders. La Barge urged the province not to negotiate a deal that would see Ontario's parole and probation system being taken over by the federal system. - --- KILLERS, ROBBERS RIDE 'COASTERS You'll never believe who's riding the roller-coasters in Ontario's amusement parks. York Region Police Chief Armand La Barge had a list of just a few paroled convicts being granted travel permits for recreational purposes, such as visiting Canada's Wonderland: - - The most serious offender on his list was a convict sentenced to life in prison for the second-degree murder and sexual assault of a 19-year-old. - - Another was sentenced to six years for manslaughter and trafficking in drugs. He received a pass good from June to September. - - Another permit recipient was sentenced to three years for armed robbery and manslaughter. - - Another was on parole for a five-year manslaughter sentence. - - A man serving out a 14-year sentence for use of a firearm during a robbery also received a recreational travel permit. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #511 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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