From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #523 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, October 21 2005 Volume 08 : Number 523 In this issue: My letter to the Ottawa Citizen Gun Show Reminder Prime Minister invites Premiers, Territorial Leaders, and Leaders Liberals announce audit process changes 10 days before scandal Anti-abortion MP Pat O'Brien who quit Liberals won't run in next Re: Pediatric society asks doctors to inquire about firearms in Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #521 Re: Grits plan broad-based tax cuts, source says Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #521 Re: Family of grizzly bears besieges Bella Coola Pre-election purse string loosening Re: Clam up on Gomery, PM tells Liberals Re: [NEWS RELEASE] Keep firearms out of homes with children ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:58:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to the Ottawa Citizen Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: Re: U.S. passes lawsuit shield for gunmakers Excellent! Common sense seems to be winning out over emotional hyperbole in the United States. The sunset of the so-called "Assault Weapon Ban" (which didn't ban anything except cosmetic features), the passage of Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law promoting citizen self-defence, and now the passage of the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act", which will eliminate frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers by the anti-gun-rights lobby. More and more States are passing "Shall Issue" Concealed Carry Weapons laws. Criminals are on the run everywhere. Violent crime rates are dropping. Now, if only our narrow-minded, anti-gun-ideology driven politicians would wake up and smell the coffee. "Gun control" doesn't work. Allowing law-abiding citizens to arm themselves for their own defence does. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:18:51 -0600 (CST) From: Gil White Subject: Gun Show Reminder The Regina Wildlife Federation will be hosting a gun show on October 22nd and 23rd at the White City Community Centre, White City Saskatchewan. Doors open on Saturday from 9am - 5pm and from 9am - 4pm on Sunday. Admission is $3.00 per person and children 12 and under are free. Lunch and beverages will be provided by the Regina Wildlife Federation youth. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:20:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Prime Minister invites Premiers, Territorial Leaders, and Leaders of National Aboriginal Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca See the last paragraph...do you smell a smoke screen? http://pm.gc.ca/eng/news.asp?id=609 Prime Minister invites Premiers, Territorial Leaders, and Leaders of National Aboriginal Organizations to a First Ministers' meeting October 21, 2005 Ottawa, Ontario Prime Minister Paul Martin today announced a First Ministers' Meeting in Kelowna, British Columbia, on November 24-25, 2005. The Prime Minister has invited Premiers, Territorial Leaders and Leaders of the Assembly of First Nations (AFN), the Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami (ITK), the Métis National Council (MNC), the Native Women's Association of Canada (NWAC) and the Congress of Aboriginal Peoples (CAP) to participate in the meeting, which will be held at the Grand Okanagan Hotel. "This meeting will be an important opportunity to further the work that has been done, over the past year and a half, to bridge the gap in the quality of life for Aboriginal people," said the Prime Minister. "I look forward to discussions with First Ministers and National Aboriginal Leaders during the upcoming meeting." The meeting builds on the strengthened relationship emerging from the September 13, 2004 Special Meeting between First Ministers and Aboriginal Leaders and is an opportunity for the federal, provincial and territorial governments to discuss how to improve the lives of Aboriginal Peoples. A detailed agenda will be made available at a later date. As a result, the Prime Minister will not attend the meeting of Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Malta on November 25-27, 2005. Canada will be represented by Foreign Affairs Minister Pierre Pettigrew. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:33:28 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Liberals announce audit process changes 10 days before scandal report Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca http://www.cfrb.com/content/cp_article.asp?id=/global_feeds/CanadianPress/N ationalNews/n102123A.htm Liberals announce audit process changes 10 days before scandal report Updated at 11:45 on October 21, 2005, EST. OTTAWA (CP) - The federal government will spend $40 million annually to bring in new auditing and oversight rules in the wake of the sponsorship scandal. Treasury Board President Reg Alcock says the 158 "separate actions" to be taken within the civil service represent the most fundamental change in any government system in the world. The announcement comes 10 days before Justice John Gomery is to release his first fact-finding report into the $250-million ad scandal that has rocked Prime Minister Paul Martin's government. But Alcock says it is not aimed at Gomery's report on the facts of the scandal, which involved directing millions of taxpayer dollars to Liberal-friendly ad firms for work that either wasn't done or was of questionable value. Rather, Alcock says the reforms are directed at the second stage of Gomery's work expected in February, when the justice will recommend changes to government to ensure future such scandals cannot occur. The Canadian Press, 2005 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:41:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Anti-abortion MP Pat O'Brien who quit Liberals won't run in next election Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca http://www.cfrb.com/content/cp_article.asp?id=/global_feeds/CanadianPress/N ationalNews/n102127A.htm Anti-abortion MP Pat O'Brien who quit Liberals won't run in next election Updated at 12:15 on October 21, 2005, EST. LONDON, Ont. (CP) - Pat O'Brien, a 12-year member of Parliament known for his strong opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage, is leaving politics. O'Brien, who represents the London-Fanshawe riding in southwestern Ontario, says he will not run in the next election. The former Liberal MP became an Independent in June after disagreeing with the party's stand on the same-sex marriage legislation. O'Brien spoke in favour of the traditional definition of marriage as between a man and woman. In a statement released from his Ottawa office, O'Brien says all indications are that he would "stand a good chance" of winning his riding in the next election, even as an Independent. But he says he and his wife Evelyn have decided that when this term is complete, the time will be right to leave politics. O'Brien said he would continue to remain involved in the national debate on important issues and defend the views he shares with "so many millions of Canadians." O'Brien has been an MP for 12 years and was a London city councillor for 11 years before that. He is the second Independent MP this month to say they won't be running in the next election. Carolyn Parrish, who represents a riding in Mississauga, west of Toronto, also said it was time to leave federal politics. The Canadian Press, 2005 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:50:34 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Pediatric society asks doctors to inquire about firearms in homes Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca The SCC JUST PASSED A DECISION STATING THAT NO ONE HAS TO TELL ANONE ANYTHING! ABOUT THE ONLY good THING THE scc HAS DONE....ED/ONTARIO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:05:28 -0600 (CST) From: "Tom Bryant" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #521 Can anyone bring me up to speed on the latest on the owners of short barreleled handguns not being permitted to transport them to a range to use any more. Has anyone gotten the reasons for the denial? I wrote the Justice Department and they say the decision did not come from them but from Anne McLellen. Hmmmm..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:15:04 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Grits plan broad-based tax cuts, source says Letter in quote brackets sent to Hamilton Spectator ............ed/ontario - ----- Original Message ----- > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051020.wtaxxx1020/BNSt > ory/National > > Grits plan broad-based tax cuts, source says > > By ALEXANDER PANETTA > Thursday, October 20, 2005 Posted at 5:02 PM EDT > Canadian Press > > The Liberals don't want to reveal what could be the central economic plank > of their platform if an election is still five months away, sources say. > > But if they're taking a daily pounding over the scandal and seem on the > verge of collapse they will try enticing Canadians with specific tax-cuts > announcements. > > > But the Liberals plan to portray their plan as a more moderate, > left-leaning alternative that makes room for additional social spending. > > "The Liberals are always going to be proposing that balance." > > The government offered an early hint of its election messaging with the > Surplus Allocation Act that was recently tabled in the House of Commons. > > The bill proposes to split all unanticipated federal surpluses three > ways - > with one-third being returned to taxpayers at income-tax time, one-third > spent on social programs, and one-third on debt relief. > > Finance Minister Ralph Goodale has described low taxes as a key element in > creating a leaner, smarter economy capable of competing with rising powers > like China and India. > > He said in a speech earlier this month that the government expected to "do > more" on income taxes. > > "It's about fairness and higher disposable incomes for ordinary Canadians, > and it's all about jobs, jobs, jobs," Mr. Goodale said. Wow we get a tax return ??? wow ,wow ,wow, I can hardly believe this ? The Lieberals are bribing the electorate with the electorates money ?So what is new about this ? "Apart from the usual Lieberal BS ? this takes the cake ?...along with their tax return plan of anything over 3 billion surplus ?which of course there will never be? because anythoing over the 3 billion,will have all been given out in grants to Lieberal supporters or would be supporters . , so the 3 billion figure is just a dream , smoke and mirrors, lies ,obfuscation,etc , much the same as the tax refund which was ours to begin with >?? they act like it was THEIR money they are giving us ? we should bow down to them and kiss their feet. How much of our money would they return if there wasnt an election in the offing and their reputations sullied by sleaze, corruption ,lack of integrity,and law-breaking ??" ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:19:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #521 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Bryant > Can anyone bring me up to speed on the latest on the owners of short > barreleled handguns not being permitted to transport them to a range to > use any more. > > Has anyone gotten the reasons for the denial? > > I wrote the Justice Department and they say the decision did not come > from > them but from Anne McLellen. Hmmmm..... Unless something incredibly monumental has happened without me knowing it, the changes imposed by McLellan did not affect Shrot Barrelled Handguns at all. You can still take them to a range for target shooting purposes under an ATT, just like before. SBHs and .32 & .25 handguns are 12(6.1) prohibiteds [formerly 12(6)]; the illegal changes imposed by McLellan affect all other types of 12(x) prohibited firearms: 12(1), 12(2), 12(3), 12(4) & 12(5). They claim that changes to the Firearms Act sections 17, 18 & 19, made by Bill C-10A, allow them to deny the issuance of Special Authority to Possess Permits which permited you to take your non-12(6.1) prohibited firearms to the range for target shooting purposes. Such is not the case. The are deliberately misinterpreting the way the law reads. There are a few FA s 74 appeal hearings underway to try and force the FedGov to apply the law as it is written, not as they want it to read. Here's some information on the subject on one of my web pages: http://home.cogeco.ca/~akimoya/rfc/under.attack.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:19:38 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Family of grizzly bears besieges Bella Coola - ----- Original Message ----- > PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL > DATE: 2005.10.21 > PAGE: S2 > BYLINE: PETTI FONG > SECTION: British Columbia N > EDITION: Metro > DATELINE: Vancouver BC > WORDS: 364 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Family of grizzly bears besieges Bella Coola > . > > "It's really worrisome when bears, instead of leaving an area after > contact with humans, are doing the reverse, and being aggressive towards > them," Mr. Gillett said. > > "It's beyond what we expect in the fall when they're feeding heavily." > Mr. Gillett said a mitigating factor may be the abundance of apple trees > in the area and bears feeding on fruit. > > Leaving apples available on the ground or ripe on the trees habituates > bears to the presence of humans, he said. > > Last month, an Invermere man, Arthur Louie, was attacked and killed by a > grizzly bear after he abandoned his truck with flat tires in the bush > and was ambushed. It wouild also be prudent to note that human flesh is or was described as "long pig" by new Guinea headhunters in the `20`s,according to what I have read about explorers at the time, asking the cannibals what human flesh tasted like ? It might be prudent ,if this is true ?then we are at the top of grizzlys food chain ,especially WHEN THEY NEED TO BULK UP FOR THE LONG WINTER HIBERNATION? ED/ONTARIO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:19:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Pre-election purse string loosening http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/election2005/spring_spending.html INDEPTH: DIVIDED PARLIAMENT Sniffing for support? CBC News Online | October 21, 2005 Pre-election purse string loosening Paul Martin and his government have been spending some time spending lately. On two separate occasions in 2005, the Martin government has concluded that it was well enough off to spend money on programs that were not outlined in the budget that was tabled in February. Both times - April/May and early October - coincided with periods of heightened speculation that the government might fall, leading to an election. On Oct. 6, as Canadians worried how they would cope with rapidly rising prices of home heating fuel, the government announced it would spend just over half a billion dollars to cushion the blow. In January 2006, families entitled to receive the National Child Benefit would also receive a cheque for $250 to help with heating bills. Senior couples - where both receive the Guaranteed Income Supplement - would be eligible for the same relief. Single seniors would qualify for $125. The government estimated it would be sending out 3.1 million cheques to low income families. On Oct. 20, rumours leaked out that the federal government was considering across-the-board income tax cuts. The rumours followed predictions that the surplus for the current fiscal year might hit a much higher than expected $10 billion. A spokesman for Finance Minister Ralph Goodale denied that any decision had been made. He did say Goodale is committed to reducing taxes, as long as the country can afford it. Just a couple of weeks before that, the government tabled legislation - the Surplus Allocation Act - that required the government to divide any surplus three ways: by cutting taxes, paying down the debt and increased program spending. The government maintains a $3-billion contingency fund - and that will be maintained before a surplus is declared. Spring spree The spring was marked not only by raucous behaviour in the House of Commons, but by an unprecedented loosening of the purse strings by a man previously known for a more cautious fiscal approach. Martin and his ministers travelled the country announcing day-care agreements, provincial accords and foreign aid. Media, the opposition and the public were left to sort out what was fresh and what was old news. The day-care money was already accounted for in the budget, as was the gas tax agreement for cities. Parts of the provincial deals were new, but not all. The other parties, unable to do more than promise, followed the money train closely. The Conservatives began keeping a running tally of the announcements, as of April 21 - the day Martin went on national television to ask that an election wait until the release of the Gomery report. Conservative Leader Stephen Harper, in a speech to the House of Commons May 11, said, "in fact, over the past few weeks, since Jean Brault testified [to the Gomery commission], which I'm sure is a coincidence, and since the $4.6-billion agreement with the NDP, the government has announced $22 billion in spending initiatives." The Liberals peg the number closer to $11 billion. But the difference isn't only in accounting methods. The official Opposition is counting every time the government talks about a spending commitment. So, when Martin announced about $23,000 for Enterprise Restigouche on April 21, and announced it again at another event the next day, the amount went into the Conservative tally twice. They say they're keeping track that way to show that Martin and the Liberals are trying to get political capital far greater than the value of the actual commitments being made. The large numbers also leave the impression of the Liberals as drunken sailors, spending the booty. Conservative statements accuse Martin of "emptying the treasury." But the numbers aren't really related to how much is actually being spent. In fact, they don't dispute the Liberal total of $11 billion. But the Conservatives insist that the multiple announcements leave the supposed recipients confused about whether more money is on its way or not. On May 13, the Department of Finance released a breakdown of the spending that had been announced since the budget was tabled in February. The department estimated the total cost of the measures at $11.2 billion. About $9 billion was listed as new spending. Since then, the government has also made a $300-million deal with Saskatchewan. While official numbers haven't been released, Finance Minister Ralph Goodale told a news conference that about 60 per cent of that deal would be new spending. The Liberals have used the announcements both as carrot and stick. The carrot is obvious; the stick is the implication, sometimes the direct statement, that an election would cut off the money. "So long as there is a Liberal government, this money will be there," Social Development Minister Ken Dryden said at an announcement on day-care funding. But despite accusing the Liberals of trying to buy votes, Opposition leader Harper has said that the federal-provincial deals announced in recent months will also be honoured. Those assurances followed letters from the Federation of Canadian Municipalities warning members that the funding could be threatened if the Liberals were defeated. In fact, the Conservatives say they will honour all signed agreements should they come to power. New spending not included in budget: * $4.5 billion for Bill C-48, for post-secondary education, housing, the environment and foreign aid. This is part of the agreement with the NDP to support the budget. * $3.5 billion as part of a $5.7-billion agreement with Ontario. The other $2.2 billion will come from the money in Bill C-48. * $8 billion in lower airport rents. This money is cited differently, because some of the rental agreements still have another 47 years or so to go. The Liberals list this as $350 million between now and 2010. * $198 million in aid to Darfur. * $160 million for a wage-earner protection program. * Another $260 million for various projects: the Canadian Museum for Human Rights, the Prince Rupert Port, the Global Centre for Pluralism, international fishing governance, and Quebec City's anniversary celebrations. * $180 million (approx.), part of a $300-million deal for Saskatchewan. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:45:31 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Clam up on Gomery, PM tells Liberals - ----- Original Message ----- > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20051020/LIB > ERALS20/National/Idx > > Clam up on Gomery, PM tells Liberals > But attack Bloc, Martin instructs caucus after Quebec flyer links him to > scandal > > By JANE TABER > Thursday, October 20, 2005 Page A4 > SENIOR POLITICAL WRITER > > OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Paul Martin instructed his MPs yesterday not to > talk about the Gomery commission report until its release, but told them > to > go after Bloc Québécois Leader Gilles Duceppe for his remarks about > creating a Quebec army. > > Mr. Martin's advice in the closed-door caucus session was given after a > new > poll showed Liberal fortunes sinking in Quebec. > > It also happened after revelations of a Bloc flyer, linking Mr. Martin to > the sponsorship scandal. > > The document has enraged Quebec Liberal MPs, an insider said, for its > provocative commentary on the sponsorship scandal and because it was sent > by the Bloc to Quebec residents using taxpayers' money. According to CFRB 1010 radio commentators today if the Lieberals get in with another minority, thanks to the Lemmings in this Kountry, they will have not only Quebec to worry about separating ,but Alberta and most of the west as well? ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:23:55 -0600 (CST) From: vampire@istar.ca Subject: Re: [NEWS RELEASE] Keep firearms out of homes with children On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:17:17 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>------------------------------ |> |>Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:17:17 -0600 (CST) |>From: "Bruce Mills" |>Subject: [NEWS RELEASE] Keep firearms out of homes with children |> |>http://www.cps.ca/english/media/NewsReleases/2005/october19.htm |> |>NEWS RELEASE |>Thursday October 19, 2005 |> |>Keep firearms out of homes with children and teens, advise paediatricians |> |>OTTAWA - Canada has one of the highest rates of youth mortality from |>firearms in the developed world. That's why the Canadian Paediatric Society |>urges that firearms be kept out of any environment where there are children |>or youth, especially their homes. |> |>"Physicians should be asking parents whether they have firearms in their |>homes and advise them of the dangers if one is present," said Dr. Katherine |>Austin Leonard, author of Youth and firearms in Canada, a position |>statement by the Canadian Paediatric Society's (CPS) Adolescent Health |>Committee, published this week in Paediatrics & Child Health. "And they |>should recommend removing it completely when there are demonstrated risk |>factors for suicide." - -------------------------------------SNIPPED------------------------------- - -- |>The Canadian Paediatric Society is a national professional association, |>representing more than 2,200 paediatricians, that advocates for the health |>needs of children and youth. The full-text of Youth and firearms in Canada |>is available on the CPS website at: |>http://www.cps.ca/english/statements/AM/AH05-02.htm The Canadian Pediatric Society is trying to get a niche in the Firearms Registry Account...........? The Guv't is attempting a subtle preliminary stage into the home invasion gungrab? It usually goes like this, first children are targeted as a possible reason for Firearms Incompetents, then the elderly are considered defunct or alzheimered, with Firearm Incompetence. Since all that is going so well, why not confiscate everybody's gun, so we can be sure that they will not hurt themselves, so they send these unheard of Mental Health plugs, to indiscriminately interrogate you with all their "Axis" standards and "Charts".....hell we are doctors, we know everything...right? Then you can possibly be charged in psychiatric profession as a ObsessiveCompulsiveDisordered [OCD] GunNut, it's as simple as that. |>- -30- |> |>Additional media materials: |>Fact sheet |> |>Media inquiries: |>Christine LaRocque |>(613) 526-9397, ext. 234 |>media@cps.ca |> |> |>FACT SHEET |>http://www.cps.ca/english/media/NewsReleases/2005/October20backgrounder.h tm |> |>Firearms injury is a significant and preventable cause of death in Canada , |>especially among young people. The Canadian Paediatric Society's Adolescent |>Health Committee has published a new position statement that reviews the |>risks of having a firearm in the home and the dangers of nonpowder |>firearms. |> |>Firearms |> |>In 2002, 801 Canadians of all ages died from unintentional (accidental) and |>intentional injuries (suicides and homicides) caused by firearms. Of these, |>67 were youth under the age of 20. |> |>In 2002, 13 per cent of the Canadian deaths from unintentional firearm |>injuries were in youth age 19 or under. |> Who is this concerned schizophrenic Guv't, that sincerely really cares about how you kill yourself and are exempt from taxes after death. (suicides and homicides) caused by firearms are not even close to the other methods of being put away. See the big picture? See the ego power trip a bunch of school bread children want to acquire. - -----------------------------------------SNIPPED--------------------------- - --------- |>Paintball guns have been associated with severe eye injuries. Most ocular |>injuries from paintballs occur during informal play at home, not at |>official facilities where goggles are required. |> |>------------------------------ Some kids need to take courses in some of these potentially dangerous aspects of firearms. Hell they take a driving course to wield the most powerful of "Assault Weapons" , namely the family car. Then of course, some people are just incorrigible "nutbars", and cannot be rehabilitated without extreme shock therapy or "buzz box" procedures. Maybe they are too hardwired to accept the social changes invoked by a sinister government. 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