From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #619 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, November 11 2005 Volume 08 : Number 619 In this issue: HAVE FRONT-LINE POLICE OFFICERS' DEMANDS BEEN MET? Re: PM won't 'play politics' over election timing Airport security to be reviewed Airport refutes CBC report on lax security A Soldier Died Today Jail for gun offenders under proposed new law [COLUMN] In their haste to outflank the ruling Liberals, Trust in federal government hits new low: poll MADD AD Letter to Canada Free Press (unpub) ... Re: [COLUMN] Feds and crime? All PR Letter to Globe and Mail (unpub) ... "Remembering a Saskatoon Hero" +a Lewis Gun ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:47:40 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: HAVE FRONT-LINE POLICE OFFICERS' DEMANDS BEEN MET? IN 1999, AT THEIR AGM IN REGINA, THE MEMBERS OF THE CANADIAN POLICE ASSOCIATION GAVE THEIR "CONDITIONAL" SUPPORT FOR THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT'S CONTROVERSIAL GUN REGISTRY AND RESOLVED THAT: A. The Auditor General of Canada conduct a thorough review of the firearms registration system and release a public report on their findings to the people of Canada. B. The accuracy of the information that is collected in the firearms registration database be verified. C. The CPA receive confirmation that the registration system has the capacity to meet the legislative timeframes established for firearms registration. D. The CPA receive confirmation that the cost recovery plan for registration can be achieved. E. Meaningful consultations with the User Group take place to ensure that the concerns of stakeholders are addressed in the review process. F. The CPA receive confirmation that the implementation and operation of the system is not taking officers off the street. HAVE THE DEMANDS OF FRONT-LINE POLICE OFFICERS BEEN MET? Canadian Professional Police Association http://www.cppa-acpp.ca/index-english.htm Association canadienne de la police professionnelle 141, rue Catherine Street, Bureau/Suite 100 Ottawa, Ontario K2P 1C3 Tel: (613) 231-4168 Fax: (613) 231-3254 www.cppa-acpp.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:56:04 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: PM won't 'play politics' over election timing - ----- Original Message ----- > http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=5b513228-4897-4226-ba97-dd6a2d > 4c0cf2 > > PM won't 'play politics' over election timing > > Greg Bonnell > Canadian Press > Thursday, November 10, 2005 > > > Prime Minister Paul Martin stubbornly stood his political ground Thursday If Harper is a s smart as I think he is he will hold off any election call until the Gomery report on the gun registration scheme is made public. There is NO way that should have cost 2 billion dollars .Alan Rock was rioght 2 million would have done the job quite nicley. so where did the money go Mr Martin ? ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:57:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Airport security to be reviewed http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=56150d2c-cdf1-48c3-8f4b-d0dd98 75177c Airport security to be reviewed Canadian Press Thursday, November 10, 2005 MONTREAL -- Federal Transport Minister Jean Lapierre said Thursday Canadian Air Transport Security Authority operations will be reviewed following a TV report showing lapses in security. Lapierre said his department will investigate the security lapses and a three-person panel will be announced in the next few days to review the agency's operations. "I've seen excerpts of the report and I'm interested in having more details," he told a news conference in Montreal. CBC-TV's investigative program The Fifth Estate reported Wednesday on several gaps in airport security including unchecked cargo ending up inside planes and access to restricted areas being easily gained by unauthorized cars and people. Lapierre said Thursday no system in 100 per cent foolproof and that a balance has to be maintained between security and accessibility. However, he said that after five years the airport security agency is due for a review of its operations. He pointed out that the agency is responsible for baggage while other security measures are the responsibility of the authorities that run the various airports individually. Lapierre noted additional security measures were put in place in Canada after the terrorist attacks on the United States in September 2001. © Canadian Press 2005 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:01:48 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Airport refutes CBC report on lax security http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/11/10/airport-security051110.h tml Airport refutes CBC report on lax security Last Updated Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:09:08 EST CBC News Officials at Toronto's Pearson International Airport are criticizing a CBC investigation into security at airports across the country. CBC's The Fifth Estate had a security specialist examine several airports. He found major problems with security screening - and even with access to supposedly secure areas. In one case, he watched a door for 20 minutes and figured out the codes on the locks. Steve Elson, found he was able to get by locked doors at the terminal. Connie Turner, a spokesperson for the Greater Toronto Airports Authority, said Thursday that the claim the expert gained access to secure areas is false. "In his case, he was already in the secure area," she said. "So those doors are kept locked only because we don't want people wandering into areas that might be unsafe for them. They are not there to prevent someone from getting into a secure area." The Canadian Air Transportation Security Agency also downplayed Steve Elson's ability to slip past security in Toronto, pointing out that even he had gone through initial clearance. "It would be a concern in terms of managing the bridge, I'm sure," said Mark Duncan, the security agency's chief operating officer. "But it's not a concern from a precise security issue. I mean, he was screened to get on the airside." On Wednesday, an airport employee in Ottawa who spoke out by giving an on-camera interview was suspended indefinitely with pay. Elson, a former inspector for the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, found he was able to get by locked doors and sneak items onto airplanes. "You walk right out, put an explosive in the plane or in the fuel lines, walk back off and leave. It's easy," said Elson. In another case, Elson snuck hand luggage through security by using a lead-lined bag, which is normally used for transporting film. It's legal to carry, but left unchecked it could be used to smuggle a weapon onto a plane, he said. Elson has travelled around the world on undercover missions looking for holes in airport security and is a vocal critic that air security remains too lax. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:06:04 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Subject: A Soldier Died Today A Soldier Died Today He was getting old and paunchy; And his hair was falling fast, And he sat around the Legion, Telling stories of the past. Of a war that he had fought in, And the deeds that he had done. In his exploits with his buddies; They were heroes, everyone. And 'tho sometimes, to his neighbors, his tales became a joke. All his buddies listened, For they knew whereof he spoke. But we'll hear his tales no longer, For ol' Bob has passed away, And the world's a little poorer, For a soldier died today. He won't be mourned by many, Just his children and his wife. For he lived an ordinary... Very quiet sort of life. He held a job and raised a family, Quietly going on his way. And the world won't note his passing, 'Tho a soldier died today. When the politicians leave this earth, Their bodies lie in state. While thousands note their passing, And proclaim that they were great. Papers tell of their life stories, From the time that they were young. But the passing of a soldier, Goes unnoticed, and unsung. Is the greatest contribution, To the welfare of our land, Some jerk who breaks his promise, And cons his fellow man? Or the ordinary fellow, Who in times of war and strife, Goes off to serve his Country... And offers up his life? The politician's stipend, And the style in which he lives, Are sometimes disproportionate, To the service he gives. While the ordinary soldier, Who offered up his all, Is paid off with a medal, And perhaps a pension...small. It's so easy to forget them, For it is so long ago, That our Bob's and Jim's and Johnny's, Went to battle, but we know. It was not the politicians, With their compromise and ploys; Who won for us the freedom, That our Country now enjoys. Should you find yourself in danger, With your enemies at hand; Would you really want some politician, With his ever waffling stand? Or would you want a Soldier, Who has sworn to defend, His home, his kin and Country, And would fight until the end? He was just a common Soldier, And his ranks are growing thin. But his presence should remind us, We may need his like again. For when countries are in conflict, Then we find the Soldier's part, Is to clean up all the troubles, That the politicians start. If we cannot do him honor, While he's here to hear the praise. Then at least let's give him homage, At the ending of his days. Perhaps just a simple headline, In the paper that might say, "OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, FOR A SOLDIER DIED TODAY." by A. Lawrence Vaincourt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:07:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Jail for gun offenders under proposed new law http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?id=da9f7a89-b160-4503-a320-e61def 53bfa3 Jail for gun offenders under proposed new law Sue Bailey Canadian Press Thursday, November 10, 2005 OTTAWA -- Justice Minister Irwin Cotler says his about-turn on minimum mandatory sentences makes sense in the face of escalating gun crime. The minority Liberals, bracing for an election by spring if not sooner, say new legislation to be introduced this month will mean certain jail time for gun-toting criminals. Cotler, who has repeatedly dismissed minimum sentences as legally ineffective, defended the concept Thursday as politically valuable when it comes to such weapons. Automatic incarceration would send a message to judges, prosecutors and criminals, he told a news conference on Parliament Hill. "Offenders: You will go to jail without passing Go." Cotler says minimum sentences would let everyone know that Parliament wants an end to the gun crime that is plaguing parts of Canada's bigger cities. Besides, the new legislation would enhance a Criminal Code that already sets out 20 mandatory minimum sentences for gun offences, he noted. Cotler has argued against such measures in other areas of the law because he says they hamstring judges and do not deter criminals. But he downplayed the apparent contradiction, saying the evidence is less clean-cut when it comes to mandatory minimum sentences and gun crimes. "Whether it will or will not serve as a deterrent, we'll see." A special task force will track statistics and measure results, Cotler said. He'll have to persuade top defence lawyers and other critics who fear the Liberal plan is an ineffective sop to "law-order" forces as a federal election looms. The Conservatives have long called for tougher mandatory minimum sentences in a range of areas. Conservative justice critic Vic Toews said Cotler is poaching Tory policy but missing a crucial point - the need to get much tougher with drug traffickers. "I simply don't understand where he's been, but at the root of the (gun) violence is a struggle for the drug trade," Toews said in an interview. "Here he thinks he's going to enhance mandatory minimum sentences but not deal with the larger problem of drug trafficking." Cotler outlined his government's gun strategy as the Liberal government braces for a federal election by spring, and possibly as early as January. That plan includes a $50-million, five-year commitment to expand a crime prevention strategy to curb gun violence and gang activity. Cotler would not say how much jail time offenders would face, saying the federal cabinet must approve the legislation before it's introduced in Parliament. He was fresh from a meeting in Whitehorse with provincial and territorial justice ministers. Cotler cited progress on joint efforts to deal with the over-representation of native people in prison, and their under-representation as court workers, lawyers and judges. He also said he'll work to improve access to legal aid in both criminal and civil matters, but gave no timeline for related proposals. © The Canadian Press 2005 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:07:28 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: [COLUMN] In their haste to outflank the ruling Liberals, http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Arti cle_Type1&c=Article&cid=1131649384820&call_pageid=968256290204&col=96835011 6795 In their haste to outflank the ruling Liberals, the opposition parties succeed only in tying themselves up in knots Nov. 11, 2005. 01:00 AM The first purpose of NDP leader Jack Layton's bid to force a February election is to extricate himself from a logjam of his own making. Having decreed on Monday that the minority Parliament had outlived its purpose, Layton belatedly discovered that some of his own constituencies vocally disagreed with his assessment. With an aboriginal summit, an international conference on the environment, heating subsidies for low-income Canadians, not to mention spending estimates destined to fund some of Layton's pet budget items in the balance, the NDP was poised to shoot itself in the foot in so many ways that it would have been toeless by the time the campaign got underway. Luckily for Layton, who describes himself as being in the driver's seat of the minority government these days, he is only is at the wheel of a bumper car confined to the playground of Parliament Hill. The most obvious effect of the NDP's latest scheme would be to remove the ill-advised threat of a government defeat on a non-confidence vote between now and the Christmas break. But Layton would not have had a chance to get himself off his own hook if the other opposition parties did not share his belief that they, too, will be better served by a campaign held just as soon as the holidays are out of the way. Until further notice, the Conservatives and the Bloc Québécois seem just as ready as the NDP to spend the next few weeks boxing the Liberals into a winter campaign. But would having the election six weeks earlier than planned really make a difference to the outcome of the vote? Over the past 18 months, the polls have been remarkably constant on two fundamental scores: the enduring Liberal weakness in Quebec and the no less enduring inability of the Conservatives and the NDP to build significantly on their support from the last election. There is no evidence that the dominant trends in the political environment will change overnight or in time for a campaign in January. On that basis, a normal opposition would want more time, not less, to shift the political dynamics decisively in its favour. Except that this opposition is ultimately more driven by the fear of Liberal gains than by the prospect of scoring points for itself. For all its talk of its abhorrence of a right-wing government, the NDP, for instance, would rather have the Conservatives in power with a minority than become irrelevant in the face of a majority Liberal government. But if, as the opposition argues, the Liberals are liable to buy favours with a spring pre-election budget, they can accomplish as much with Monday's economic statement. And if the other parties don't expect the publication of the final Gomery report on Feb. 1 to impact negatively on the Liberals in a subsequent election, then its advent in the middle of a campaign will also do no harm to the government. Does that mean Martin should embrace the opposition's calls for an earlier election? Not necessarily. The other leaders may be ready to force the Prime Minister's hand and make him renege on his commitment not to pre-empt the final Gomery report with an election call, but there is no evidence that most voters are. As the most recent poll shows, an overwhelming majority still prefer to stick to Martin's original schedule. But, by the same token, there is also no valid reason for the Liberals to deploy their heavy artillery to stop the opposition from eventually having its way in the Commons. If the other parties want to end the year tangling up the minority Parliament in procedural strings, if the Conservatives and the New Democrats want to start the new year by voting non-confidence in their spring election prospects, there is no serious reason for the Liberals to stand in their way. Chantal Hébert's national affairs column appears Monday, Wednesday and Friday. chebert@thestar.ca. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:12:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Trust in federal government hits new low: poll http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051111/poll_governmen t_051111/20051111?hub=Canada Trust in federal government hits new low: poll CTV.ca News Staff A new poll suggests just one in four Canadians trust the federal government to do what is right, while the majority believe politicians lose touch with the public soon after being elected. The poll, released today, indicates that Canadians seem to be growing increasingly cynical about government. Prof. David Zussman, who conducted the research for the Trudeau Foundation, said Canadians appeared to be following a trend seen in other countries. "What's interesting is ... it's pretty much mirrored by most Western democracies. So this is not just a Canadian issue. We'd have the same numbers in Washington, London or Paris," Prof. Zussman said. "It really reflects a global shift in attitudes towards the role of government and the mistrust of government." Only 27 per cent of those polled said they trusted the government to do what was right always or most of the time. This compares to about 58 per cent of Canadians who were surveyed in the late 1960s. Fifty-seven per cent of respondents agreed with the statement: "I don't think the government cares much about what people like me think," compared to 48 per cent in July 2003. And 65 per cent of those polled said they believed politicians lost touch with the public after they were voted into office. While many respondents said they distrusted politicians, 78 per cent said they had high opinions of workers at non-government organizations and believed they had high ethical standards. Seventy-five per cent said the same about doctors while only 25 per cent thought business executives had high ethical standards and only 21 per cent thought the same of politicians. The poll found 85 per cent of respondents said they had never been a member of political party or hadn't worked for a party in the past three years. Those numbers suggest people don't want to follow the lead of today's politicians, Prof. Zussman said. "I think a lot of people are not being drawn into political engagement in large part because they don't have trust in the people that occupy those positions now," he said. "They don't see it as worthwhile." The poll was released Friday at the Trudeau Foundation Conference, being held in Toronto in collaboration with the Institute for Research on Public Policy. The survey, conducted by EKOS for the Trudeau Foundation, polled 1,500 adults during August, September and October. The results are considered accurate within plus or minus 2.5 percentage points, 19 times out of 20. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:14:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Hill" Subject: MADD AD My wife is watching Oprah on ATV/CTV Channel 9 here and she just informed me that the MADD AD (shooter in the restaurant) was just on at O3:26 hrs. Jim Hill Fletchers Lake, NS "Do not be afraid of enemies; the worst they can do is to kill you. Do not be afraid of friends; the worst they can do is betray you. Be afraid of the indifferent; they do not kill or betray. But only because of their silent agreement, betrayal and murder exist on earth." - - -- Bruno Yasienski - "The Plot of the Indifferent" (1937) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:14:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Subject: Letter to Canada Free Press (unpub) ... Fw: Tougher laws. Why didn't I think of that? (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, John Lawrence has it wrong when he speaks about Cotler's "tougher laws". Canada already has one of the toughest set of gun laws in existence, the problem is that those laws are absolutely useless when it comes to protecting Canadians, while at the same time they are incredibly expensive to implement. What Mr. Lawrence has confused is the difference between the laws, and the paltry sentences currently being handed out. While the law already calls for mandatory minimums to be served *consecutively* for certain types of firearms crime, typically those sentence are typically plea bargained away, or just ignored by the justices and the prosecutors who should be instead sending out a clear message to the criminals. It is important that in order to fight crime we uniformly call for "tougher sentencing", the existing criminal laws are more than sufficient, and in the case of the Canadian Firearms Act, it could be repealed entirely without affecting the public safety even a little -- and doing so would save the public purse a bundle! Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk Oshawa, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:16:22 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: [COLUMN] Feds and crime? All PR - ----- Original Message ----- > http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Columnists/Stanway_Paul/2005/11/11/1302163. > html > > Feds and crime? All PR > > By Paul Stanway > Fri, November 11, 2005 > And now? Oh, well, it's just another Liberal failure we're supposed to overlook because no other party can be trusted with the government of Canada. > Meanwhile, the smouldering continues in 31 Division and other unhappy > suburbs across the country. Perhaps a situtation such as thye had in France recently will wake people up ? We get the government we deserve .. or should I say the dumba** Kanadians desreve >? ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:07:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Subject: Letter to Globe and Mail (unpub) ... Going for the 'brass ring' (fwd) There is a world of difference between circumventing the purchasing policy for our beleagured military and some nebulous plan to buy Quebec'ers fealty to Canada by putting a bunch of Liberal cronies on the dole. Firstly, our military has been paid short shrift for the entire dozen or so years of Liberal "leadership", and our men and women are at risk daily because of their lack of equipment. Secondly, General Hillier has the best interests of his troops foremost in mind and finally, the tenders will likely not be sent out to Quebec advertising agencies. If the Liberals will not pay down the debt with the $ billions of overtaxed Canadians so-called "surplus" funds, then at least get our troops some long overdue equipment! Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk Oshawa, Ont. PS: I'm a little concerned lately by the very apparent bias in the Globe's reporting ... hardly becoming a paper of your stature! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:25:42 -0600 (CST) From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Remembering a Saskatoon Hero" +a Lewis Gun This remarkable tale of heroism of a Canadian citizen soldier needs to be shared. If there was a real life model for Sgt. Rock the comic book hero it would be Sgt. Hugh Cairns. If he was an American there'd be a book, a movie. Liberal social engineering can't be allowed to erase our cultural and political heritage. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Remembering a Saskatoon hero John Gormley Special to The StarPhoenix Friday, November 11, 2005 The other day a friend suggested an idea for Remembrance Day. Take a minute, he said, sit down and read the actual stories of heroism that earned six Saskatchewan men the Commonwealth's highest award for valour, the Victoria Cross. It seems so obvious, but often we miss the message of what brave veterans endured, how they lived and how they died. Wearing today's sensibilities and looking through the modern lens of relativism, it is difficult to comprehend how young men died in the theatre of war. In a culture that treats equally the profound with the crass and profane, we've been removed from understanding -- or having to understand -- what actually happened in the First and Second World Wars. On the battlefields, the vets tell us, it wasn't glorious or high minded. There was no movie soundtrack playing. It was more like survival. It was brutal, often unspeakably so, and ultimately necessary to achieve the goal of free peoples. While many accounts can be found of how Saskatchewanians won the VC, the most chronicled and graphic is the story of Hugh Cairns. A soccer player, runner and boxer, the apprentice plumber from Saskatoon signed up to serve in the First World War I in 1915 when he turned 18. By 1917, after capturing an enemy gun placement at Vimy Ridge and being wounded, he was back in service less than two weeks later, promoted and awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal. But it was just 10 days before the war ended -- on Nov. 1, 1918 -- that Hugh Cairns would earn a place in history that must never be taken away. By the time that day was over, he would kill more than 50 enemy soldiers in four separate incidents and would lose his own life. As his platoon was helping take the French city of Valenciennes, Sgt. Cairns's men were fi red upon by a German machine gun from the second floor of a house on a cramped street. Cairns grabbed a Lewis machine gun, rushed upstairs into the house, killed five Germans and seized their gun. Later, as his platoon was fired on near a cemetery, Cairns again rushed forward, firing his gun from his hip, killing 12 enemy soldiers, taking 18 prisoners and capturing two machine gun nests. On the outskirts of Valenciennes, a battery of German machine guns firing point blank held up the Canadians and Sgt. Cairns was wounded in the shoulder. Leading a small group of men to within 75 yards of the guns, he began firing, killing a large number of the enemy gunners and causing 50 others to surrender. In the final encounter, the Saskatoon soldier noticed a number of German troops hiding in a courtyard and, accompanying a lieutenant, Cairns forced the surrender of 60 Germans who saw him with his machine gun. But as they threw up their hands, pretending to surrender, one German officer drew his pistol and shot Cairns through the stomach. A well-documented account tells it best: "Sgt. Cairns immediately dropped to his knees and fired upon the German officer, killing him instantly. The other Germans then took cover behind boxes and piles of debris and began firing on the two Canadians. "In spite of the fact that he had received his fatal wound, Cairns got his gun into action. Again he was wounded in the hand and arm, but bleeding and in great pain he continued to operate his gun. "Then another shot blew away the trigger and mangled his hand. Twenty Germans ran forward to overpower him. Seizing his broken gun, he hurled it into the face of the nearest Hun, then staggering to the gate, collapsed unconscious." By the time his men arrived and carried the mortally wounded Cairns away on a makeshift stretcher, he was again shot and wounded. Hugh Cairns died the next day. He was only 21. He was buried in the Auberchicourt Cemetery in France. Posthumously awarded both the Victoria Cross and France's highest military honour, the Legion of Honour, there is also a street named for Cairns in the town of Valenciennes. In Saskatoon today there is a statue of Hugh Cairns, a school, a street and an armoury named after him. Small wonder. For every Hugh Cairns there were thousands of Canadians in war who also made the ultimate sacrifice. And there were tens of thousands of others who came home, quietly resumed life and never talked much about what they saw. Nearly 10,000 Saskatchewanians died in both world wars and Korea. Most were not much more than teenagers, young men who would never live to experience the joys and the setbacks that we so commonly take for granted. If you do just one thing today, pause and say thanks. And make yourself a promise that in your lifetime Remembrance Day will never lose its meaning. There are many websites on the life and death of Hugh Cairns. An excellent one is Rod Filan's site: http://members.shaw.ca/flyingaces/cairns/. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #619 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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