From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #672 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, November 25 2005 Volume 08 : Number 672 In this issue: Re: Conservative Party Firearms Policy RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #671 Liberal Election Platform: Re: GUNS SEIZED FROM DOWNTOWN SUITE CFAX poll Re: Professional Witness Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #671 Liberals set to fall Monday Talking Tough STORE CHAIN FIGHTS GUNS FW: Special Bulletin to Police - No. 67 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:57:57 -0600 (CST) From: wrpa Subject: Re: Conservative Party Firearms Policy >> a certification screening system for all those wishing to >> acquire firearms legally; > >I certainly hope this implies something like the FAC system of get one when >you need one. The end of mandatory licensing for ownership and to hell with >the firearm registry. I can't see them scrapping the registration of handguns so there still will be a registry. I would like to know if they would get rid of the 12(6) prohibited handgun class. Rudy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:02:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Alan Sutton" Subject: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #671 - ---Original Message Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:25:50 -0600 (CST) From: "M.J. Ackermann" Subject: Windy Kookier's finances Can anyone tell me with authority how much Windy Kookier has received of the public purse for her CGC and road show to South Africa, etc. I am interested in knowing just how much she has been paid by the lieberals to propagandize for them. Thanks in advance. - - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) To add to Mike's note What we also need to know is how much the Government has sent South Africa to implement the program, as in reading I have done; money has been sent to assist South Africa in implementing the mess. This will be over and above the CAD$30 000.00 (SA R 168 000.00) she was paid in consulting, the $500 000.00 she gets from the government as sponsorship. The current implementation in SA is a total mess, with no licenses, or maybe at this point very few licenses issued, many collector guns destroyed, the black community is trying to sue the government as they are dying as a result of this law, can't protect their stores. The last estimate I read is that it would cost the SA Government CAD $360 000.00 (SAR R 2Billion) in four years. This is in a country that cannot feed its poor, has the highest AIDES deaths, Hospitals where you have to take your own bedding and get your family and friends to bring you food. One can go on about the poverty and crime out of control. I certainly hope Wendy is proud, as she, in her obsession is wasting the very limited resources in a country struggling on the edge of slipping back into a third world. The old Gun control system work well enough. Alan (Ex Pat SA) Whitby On Cry the Beloved Country. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:24:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim S." Subject: Liberal Election Platform: Bruce/ Nick - >> "DO YOU SUPPORT THE LIBERAL INITIATIVE OF BANNING >> ALL HANDGUNS IN CANADA, This is so dumb, I can't believe the pollsters are asking this. If the Liberals try to ban handguns, what will they do with the many hundred thousand they "lost" in the RCMP registry, which were never re-registered? The CPC could go to town on this issue in every area outside TO, Montreal and Vancouver, and win votes if they pointed out the absurdity of Liberal logic. I can see the headlines now: "Liberals to spend another $2 billion on finding handguns that were not re-registered, and then $2 billion more buying them back." Like THAT would play well in areas which are tired of Government misuse of funds. I'd wager that the L:iberals, if they try to introduce further gun laws, will find themselves in court for sure - something they've tried desperately to avoid thus far, as witness Bill C-10A, which was designed to stave off the lawsuits from the owners who were faced with 12(6) confiscation. Jim Szpajcher St. Paul, AB. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:03:45 -0600 (CST) From: vampire@istar.ca Subject: Re: GUNS SEIZED FROM DOWNTOWN SUITE INTERPARSED: On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:59:16 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>------------------------------ |> |>Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:59:03 -0600 (CST) |>From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 |>Subject: GUNS SEIZED FROM DOWNTOWN SUITE |> |>PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun |>DATE: 2005.11.24 |>EDITION: Final |>SECTION: News |>PAGE: 20 |>COLUMN: Sunflashes |>WORD COUNT: 133 |> |>- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - - |> |>GUNS SEIZED FROM DOWNTOWN SUITE |> |>- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - - |> |>A 29-year-old man is facing firearms-related charges after police say |>they received a false report of a break-in last night. So they get a bogus report, don't bullshit us, that's the oldest probable cause police Home Invasion tactic there is. |>A man called police shortly before 8 p.m. to report a burglary in |>progress in his suite in a block at 99 Avenue and 101 Street, police |>said. Sure someone did, and if so, this burglary was a bogus call, again anyone can call the police and feed their faces full of lies, as long as your not a registered gun owner I guess. |>Cops descended on the downtown apartment but discovered there was no |>break-in and that the man appeared to be suffering from the effect of |>drugs. "Cops descended" like Hell's Angels I guess, could be, on the other hand that what they saw was some intriguing firearms 12(2)(5)(6.1) and all that WMD Militia stuff. |>Officers also discovered loose ammunition littering the suite, as well |>as boxed ammo that was unsafely stored, said city police Sgt. Butch |>Kinahan. This may or not be a gross exaggeration to fortify their case and cover their ass for their Home Invasion Heist. |>Police then made an arrest. Of course, make an arrest of a man who probably supercedes their CFI in firearms handling and knowledge...but wait, somebody died and made them god. Hell these guys can hardly park a car, let alone run amok with a loaded gun. |>As a result of reports that the man had allegedly been "playing" with |>firearms in the suite, police seized his gun collection out of concern |>for public safety, said Kinahan. "Playing" with your guns, that is grounds for arrest heh? I can't recall the statute for gun playing. "Y'er Honor this man was playing with his gun, so he is a risk to public safety, and in interest to officer safety we disarmed him" |>Officers confiscated rounds of ammunition "in the thousands" and about a |>dozen semi-automatic rifles and shotguns that were all properly |>registered, said Kinahan. Kinahan must be the chief gungrabber trying to score more brownie points than the B. Montague case. These guns were all registered which is more than the guns the cops are carrying, so who died and made them god again? |>Police also seized three small-calibre handguns and were looking into |>whether they were legally registered. Again, as the Cops figure "Register those 12(6)(6.1) because you are a mere mortal and the police are self appointed demi-gods". |>"He's a little unbalanced," EPS acting duty Insp. Jamie Ewatski told the |>Sun. "He's a little unbalanced,", maybe quite traumatized, so maybe he's not an acrobat and his Utriculus and Ampula may be a bit off at the time of the gungrab raid and tormenting police structured gungrabs. |>------------------------------ Was this Sgt. Butch Kinahan involved with the successful destruction of the Hon. Lawful P. Kearns business. It seems that's were his balls must come from, but then who knows? An Armed Society is a Poletzi Society A Poletzi Society is a Just Society A Police state is not warranted in Canada, let's get rid of these gangsters. Cheers Triad Productions-Fantalla(c)~EZine~ParaNovel National Astrophysical Assault Research http://lacasse.naar.be http://ammo.at/lacasse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:03:58 -0600 (CST) From: Cap'n ECO Subject: CFAX poll Sorry if this is a duplicate http://www.cfax1070.com/polls/index.php ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:04:13 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: Professional Witness At 03:31 PM 11/23/05 -0600, you wrote: > > >Read Heinlein's "Stranger In A Strange Land". In it Heinlein describes a >profession called the Fair Witness. These are people specifically >trained and conditioned to report in detail on their factual >observations without introducing any interpretation. For example, when >asked what color a house was, a Witness would reply, "The side I can see >appears blue". > >Seemed like a great idea to me when I read it over thirty years ago. As opposed to a lawyer who when asked the same question will ask "What colour would you like it to be?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:04:54 -0600 (CST) From: "M.J. Ackermann" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #671 Notice the wording: "A provincial high court has again affirmed the *right* of police to detain suspects for investigation, short of arresting them". They may well have the *authority*, but it is not a *right*. This is a common theme in government and media reports on State powers - that the agents of the state have the right to do something when in fact they have been granted authority, nothing more. It may seem like splitting hairs, but to quote a previous post I made, "Just remember that language is the tools of thought. How we use the language will affect how our thought processes operate. Using the language inappropriately (i.e. "guns kill" rather than "criminals kill with guns - and fists, knives, bats, etc.") has inevitably lead to magical thinking and the imbuement of inanimate objects - guns - with talisman-like powers of destruction. This has lead to misdirected and ineffectual laws that target inanimate objects rather than the dysfunctional people who abuse them". - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association President, Guysborough County Horse and Pony Association Member All For Horses Association, Nova Scotia Equestrian Federation Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:05:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Liberals set to fall Monday http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20051125/ELE CT25WHY/Front/Idx THE ELECTION Liberals set to fall Monday Tories table no-confidence motion amid first examples of negative-campaign vitriol By GLORIA GALLOWAY Friday, November 25, 2005 Page A1 OTTAWA -- Conservative Leader Stephen Harper used the words "corruption" and "organized crime" in describing the Liberals as he introduced a motion of no-confidence in Paul Martin's government -- sparking a round of pre-election mudslinging that suggests the coming campaign will set new standards of viciousness. "While I have complete confidence in the choice the Canadian people will make, I have no more confidence in the choices this government would make if it serves any more time in office," Mr. Harper told the House yesterday as he followed through on a promise to move the motion to end the Liberal mandate. The vote will take place on Monday evening. "This is why I propose, with the support of [NDP Leader Jack Layton] the member for Toronto-Danforth, that this House had lost confidence in the government." Mr. Harper said the findings of the Gomery report into the sponsorship scandal prove the Liberals have lost the moral authority to govern. When Nova Scotia Liberal Robert Thibault reminded Mr. Harper that Mr. Martin had been exonerated by Mr. Justice John Gomery, Mr. Harper fired back that the Prime Minister was associated with a party that had been engaged in corruption. "If I belonged to an organization and led an organization that was found to have been involved in a massive corruption ring using organized crime to defraud taxpayers, I cannot understand why anyone found in that position would want to be associated with that organization," he said. "However that is a decision that the Prime Minister has to make and has to explain." Deputy Conservative Leader Peter MacKay later tried to defend the statements of his leader. It was "a simple reference to the fact that the Liberal Party who are organized were involved in criminal activity . . . they gave kickbacks to themselves through an organized scheme of government that funnelled money through advertising firms back into their own party coffers," Mr. MacKay told reporters. Scott Reid, Mr. Martin's communications director, said the party will collect transcripts of remarks made outside the House of Commons to see whether they are actionable. "We will not allow them to campaign on the basis of falsehoods and smears and if they need to get a lawyer's letter to mind, then they will," Mr. Reid said. "This has been going on for months and it is unacceptable." The verbal attacks may have set the tone for the last days of this Parliament. Another particularly vicious exchange began yesterday when Immigration Minister Joe Volpe accused Ontario Conservative MP Helena Guergis of "lying" when she rebuked Mr. Volpe in the daily Question Period for continuing with a program to fast-track strippers into the country despite having said it was cancelled. Then Merv Tweed, Conservative from Manitoba, accused Mr. Volpe of spending more on taxpayer-funded entertainment than it takes to feed a family for a whole year. An animated Mr. Volpe said he had done nothing below board and accused several Conservatives of overspending on government-funded travel. Finally, Rahim Jaffer, a Tory from Edmonton, likened the Liberal corruption highlighted in the Gomery report to the gangsterism glorified by rapper 50 Cent. "This kind of sleaze on the other side does not help us to deal with the issues in a realistic and positive fashion," Mr. Volpe retorted. John Reynolds, the veteran British Columbia MP, said it is clear that the Liberal campaign will be nasty. "You saw what they were doing in the House today," he said after Question Period. "Mr. Volpe is a sleazebag. He certainly put that across very well in the House today. I imagine that's the kind of campaign he will want to run in Ontario but we will fight back very hard." When told that he had been called a sleazebag, Mr. Volpe hit back. The "mudslinger just finally got some of it on his own and didn't like it. [He] spent $138,000 last year travelling. What did he do? Travel by luxury jet everywhere? Drink champagne? Slug down a little bit of caviar?" he asked. "Methinks they protest too much, poor, dear, delicate little children." Mr. Reynolds said later that Mr. Volpe "is a liar because I don't drink champagne, nor do I eat caviar, I don't like it." His travel expenses are high, he said, because he lives on an island off the British Columbia coast and it costs a lot to return home. He also has one of the largest ridings in Canada. All of this took place as the election countdown continued. The Liberals appear to have landed another star candidate in author and academic Michael Ignatieff, who on Wednesday night told Liberals in Calgary that he will run in a Toronto riding. "Instead of resting safely in my ivory tower, above the fray, I hope to be down in trenches with you," he said in a speech to Calgary Liberals. "I am ready for battle." Liberal insiders refused to reveal which Toronto riding Mr. Ignatieff would try to win. They indicated that a backbench MP was expected to step aside to make way for Mr. Ignatieff to run. Meanwhile, the government spending streak showed no signs of abating. The anticipated package of $1.5-billion was extended to help Canada's softwood lumber industry. Mr. Volpe provided $700-million to make improvements to the immigration system. And major funding announcements were made in New Brunswick. Mr. Reid rejected criticism that the party has announced an orgy of spending intended to buy votes at the last minute, saying much of the money was already budgeted for and the rest went to needy constituents, such as farmers and the forestry industry. "The Conservatives are guilty of rank hypocrisy on this," said Mr. Reid, adding that the Tories have called for spending in most of the areas the Liberals have announced, and are now critical of the plans. With respect to the timing, Mr. Reid said the government has been forced to fit three months worth of pledges into three days before the election is expected to be called. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:05:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Talking Tough http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20051125-004/page.asp Talking Tough November 25, 2005 Though the measure probably won't go any further, given the government's likely fall on Monday, the federal Liberals planned to table a bill to toughen existing laws on gun-related crimes. Prime Minister Paul Martin, who met with members of an African Canadian coalition earlier this week to discuss gun violence in Toronto, wanted to get the bill into the House of Commons to show a stricter stance from his party on the matter. The bill will reportedly feature a longer minimum sentence for some gun offences, and stricter parole rules for offenders of gun crimes. The proposed legislation would also include offences for those who deal firearms, and an expanded witness protection program. Martin's Liberals have made the issue of gun violence a bigger part of their agenda given the rising death toll in the country's largest city. Amon Beckles, 18, was shot to death last week at a funeral - becoming Toronto's 48th shooting victim and 69th homicide. Margaret Parsons, one of those meeting with the P.M. to discuss the issue in Ottawa this week, said troubled communities needed more money for social programs and youth initiatives. "It is a matter of more money," said Parsons, who's the director of the African Canadian Legal Clinic. "What the prime minister has put forward last week is a start," she said, referring to a $50 million plan over five years to help develop such programs. "A portion of those funds must come to, and be targeted to, the African-Canadian community and (its) service providers." The coalition wants to hold a summit with federal, provincial and municipal leaders early in the New Year to help find solutions to the problem. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:05:52 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: STORE CHAIN FIGHTS GUNS PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2005.11.25 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 7 COLUMN: Sunflashes WORD COUNT: 40 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ STORE CHAIN FIGHTS GUNS - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The 7-Eleven variety store chain joined a campaign yesterday to reward anyone surrendering a firearm during Toronto's guns amnesty program. Money will be collected from 102 stores with the sale of wristbands. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:30:36 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: FW: Special Bulletin to Police - No. 67 - -----Original Message----- From: CILA National Office [mailto:abernardo343@rogers.com] Sent: Thursday November 24, 2005 3:27 PM To: Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Special Bulletin to Police - No. 67 Special Bulletin to Police - No. 67 End of Amnesty for Prohibited Handguns Snapshot · The amnesty ends on December 31, 2005, for individuals who registered a prohibited handgun after February 14, 1995, and for businesses that had prohibited handguns in their inventory on December 1, 1998. · There are no plans to extend the amnesty. · Several notices have been mailed to individuals with handguns registered under the former law to inform them of what they need to do to comply with the current legal requirements. · A final notice is being sent to owners who have not yet complied. · There may be a slight increase in the number of handguns and prohibited handgun barrels turned in to police in coming weeks as a result. Prohibited Handguns As indicated in several previous bulletins, handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm or less and handguns that were designed or altered to discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition became prohibited on December 1, 1998, except for specific models used in International Shooting Union competitions These prohibited handguns are commonly called 12(6) handguns, in reference to grandfathering provisions contained in section 12(6) of the Firearms Act. The current provisions, as amended by Bill C-10A, allow an individual to be licensed to possess prohibited handguns if the individual has continuously held a valid registration certificate for at least one prohibited handgun from December 1, 1998, onward. A previous requirement to have held a valid registration certificate for a prohibited handgun on February 14, 1995, was eliminated. Businesses may be licensed to possess prohibited handguns for an approved purpose set out in section 22 of the Firearms Licences Regulations (Businesses). The regulations were amended in November 2004 to allow the retail sale of prohibited handguns that were reported as business inventory prior to December 1, 1998. Businesses cannot be licensed to acquire more prohibited handguns for retail sale. Amnesty for some Handgun Owners On December 1, 1998, an amnesty was put in place to protect businesses and individuals from penalties while they disposed of handguns that they had possessed lawfully under the former law but could not lawfully keep under the Firearms Act. The amnesty was extended until December 31, 2005, to allow time for some legislative and regulatory changes to go through the necessary Parliamentary processes. Bill C-10A received Royal Assent in May 2003. Changes to the supporting regulations were made in November 2004. The legislative and regulatory amendments came into effect on April 10, 2005. There are no plans to extend the amnesty beyond the deadline of December 31, 2005. Bill C-10A grandfathered some 12(6) handguns that were previously ineligible for grandfathered status. These include handguns that were registered for the first time after the original cut-off date of February 14, 1995, and handguns that were reported to the Commissioner of the RCMP as business inventory before they became prohibited. Some individuals remain ineligible for grandfathering privileges if their only prohibited handguns were registered after February 14, 1995. Registration certificates issued under the former law expired on December 31, 2002. A licence and new registration certificate for 12(6) handguns could not be issued to those individuals until the eligibility criteria were amended. By the time the changes received Parliamentary approval, the original certificates had already expired. As a result, they do not meet the current eligibility requirement to have continuously held a valid registration certificate for at least one prohibited handgun from December 1, 1998, onward. However, their handguns are now grandfathered, allowing them to be transferred and registered to a properly licensed individual. What Next? There are no plans to make further amendments to the grandfathering provisions for 12(6) handguns. Most owners of prohibited handguns have already complied with the law, either by obtaining the necessary licence privileges and registration certificates if they were eligible, or by disposing of prohibited handguns that they could no longer lawfully keep. Many of those individuals knew from the beginning that they risked losing their 12(6) handguns once the handguns became prohibited. There are still a few owners who have not yet complied with the licence and registration requirements or disposed of their handguns. A final notice is being mailed to those individuals to give them one last chance before the amnesty expires. The notice provides specific options for disposing of a handgun lawfully, responsibly and safely, including turning the handgun in to a police or firearms officer for disposal or replacing a short barrel with one longer than 105 mm and turning the short barrel in to a police or firearms officer for disposal. There may be a slight increase in the number of prohibited handguns and prohibited handgun barrels turned in to police over the next few weeks as a result of this notice. Other options for disposing of a prohibited handgun include: · Transferring the handgun to a properly licensed business or individual; · Permanently deactivating the handgun so that it cannot be made to fire ammunition, and therefore, no longer meets the definition of a firearm; · Exporting the handgun to a country that will allow it to be imported - Individuals should contact the Export Controls Division of International Trade Canada (ITC) at 1 800 267-8376 for information on export requirements or refer to ITC's Website at http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/eicb/military/faq-en.asp Regardless of the method of disposal, the Registrar needs to be notified so that the records can be updated. Once the amnesty expires, individuals who were protected by the amnesty will be subject to the same penalties as any other individual if they are in possession of a prohibited handgun without the required licence privileges and registration certificates. Most Possession-Only Licences and Possession and Acquisition Licences that are valid for prohibited handguns will show 12(6) on the back. A few will show 12(7) instead, in cases where an individual was allowed to acquire and register a family heirloom made before 1946 but is not eligible to possess other prohibited handguns. Information for the Police To ensure that you are on our distribution list, or that your contact information is current, you may contact us through any of the means indicated below. - - Any police agent can use the CAFC Police-Only Information and Referral Line at 1 800 731-4000, ext. 2064 (E) or 2063 (F) (toll-free) to obtain information or to obtain publications that are available. - - Police Web site Portal: http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/info_for-renseignement/police/default_e.asp - - Police e-mail: police-info@cfc-cafc.gc.ca Information for the Public - - Members of the public must not be referred to the Police-Only Line but can be referred to the public lines at 1 800 731-4000 (toll-free) - - Public e-mail: cfc-cafc@cfc-cafc.gc.ca This bulletin is intended to provide general information only, and may only be copied and distributed within the police community. For legal references, please refer to the Firearms Act and its supporting regulations. Le présent bulletin est également disponible en français. Dear Recipient: The Canada Firearms Centre is responsible for delivering information relating to the Firearms Act to the Canadian public. If you experience problems with the transmission of this fax or want to be removed from our list, please contact the Canada Firearms Centre by phone at 1-800-731-4000 and talk to an operator or by fax at 1-613-957-7325. The Canada Firearms Centre can also be contacted by e-mail at cfc-cafc@cfc-cafc.gc.ca