From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #676 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, November 25 2005 Volume 08 : Number 676 In this issue: Re: Smoker was shot for not sharing, police say MINISTER COTLER INTRODUCES LEGISLATION TO COMBAT GUN CRIME Martin seeks apology for 'organized crime' jab Tories stand by accusation linking Liberals to organized crime Poll - go vote... Letters to the Editor @WFP McGuinty Government Welcomes Federal Action On Gun Crime Liberal crime bill mere posturing: Toews ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:08:34 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Subject: Re: Smoker was shot for not sharing, police say Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:14:49 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Lowe Subject: Re: Smoker was shot for not sharing, police say Your contempt and rage at the police because of the quality of these descriptions is slightly misplaced. You'd be a little more on target to go after the people giving police descriptions for being poor witnesses - - - or refusing to speak up at all. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually Rick I think the Toronto Kestoners' antics are quite humorous. I am almost falling off my chair in laughter. I can envision scenes where these Kestoners ask for public help in identifying the two men now called "The Smoker Shooting Banditos". They end up employing the services of none other than private citizens Laurel and Hardy. Oliver and Stanley begin at once to search for suspects. The first suspects Oliver and Stanley find matching the police nondescript description are Buddha and Gandhi. They find them at a local coffee house drinking tea. They begin to fill Toronto's jails with other suspects fitting the nondescript suspect description. Charley Chan and Barney Fife, Michael Moore and John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and Chuck Schumer, Reg Alcock and Allan Rock, all fall prey to the wide Toronto police dragnet and are hauled off for interrogation. Eventually Oliver and Stanly fill all the jails in Toronto with suspects as well as all the court houses, all the schools, the libraries, all the public buildings. Half of the citizens of Toronto are under suspicion and in police custody using the Toronto Kestoners' nondescript description of the Banditos. Oliver and Stanley finally find the two culprits, however. As they are about to leave jail though, the Keystoners arrest them (Oliver and Stanley) and place them into jail as the final two suspects fitting the nondescript description of "The Smoker Shooting Banditos". The Keystoners are computer illiterate so they must use the old style policing techniques of walking the beat, interviewing suspects and witnesses, finger prints, photos, etc. The Keystoners never understand how the gun registry would help them solve this crime or improve public safety so they don't use it. The bad part is they have half of the folks of Toronto in police custody to solve the crime. The good part is that "The Smoker Shooting Banditos" have been caught. The bad part is the police still do not know which two detainees of incarcerated millions are the culprits. The other bad part is that it will take a lot of real hard police work, time, and funding to find the real two perpetrators. Scene 2. The Chiefs of police, Bevans of Ottawa, Blair of Toronto, Cannavino, Obst, Boots Zachardelli etc and MP's Anne McLellan, Irwin Cotler, Wayne Easter, Paul Martin, Jean Chretien, MartinCauchon and Allan Rock even Wendy are seated and intensely using their fancy computers to check the CFC for gun owners and guns which would quickly and positively identify the Banditos. NWEST, the gun cops, of course are actively interrogating guns as possible suspects as quickly as they can find them.. Big guns, little guns, ugly guns, scary guns, funny guns, nail guns, glue guns, caulking guns, grease guns, soldering guns, smoking guns and pretty guns. These folks all use modern police methodology. The Liberals and CFC say that the gun registry has all the firearms in Canada listed in it as well as all the firearms owners. So all these "intelligent professionals" have to do is look at the registry data to find the Banditos. It should only take a matter of minutes. The criminals must be in there somewhere, they say to each other.. The only problem is the gun registry contains only law-abiding citizens and the firearms in it belong to law-abiding citizens. The "Smoker Shooting Banditos" out witted the Liberals and refused to license themselves and they never registered their firearms either. The Liberals and their hacks never find the Banditos because they are not in the $2 billion boondoggle to find. The Liberals do not understand this. Why are Banditos not in their registry. Why? Why? Why? Scene 3. The Adscam probe and a much larger useless gun registry conspiracy-fraud probe eventually puts some of the crooked Liberals into jail. Now wearing striped prison garments they happily while away their days on computers still looking in vain for the Banditos. Finally their computers begin to smoke as the last final bits of worthless information are withdrawn from the CFC mainframe. The whole CFC network even begins to smoke. The expenesive useless public experiment has finally ended. Scene 4 The Keystoners eventually get to interrogate the Banditos after millions of interviews. "The Smoker Shooting Banditos" confess to the crime immediately. This crime is solved, however, only after using conventional proven police methodology. Unfortunately Oliver and Stanley are the last two suspects to be released from jail . Scene 5 The Keystoners now become the Chiefs of Police because they found the Banditos. The gun registry, the gun cops and the Liberals are gone. The delusional dethroned Chiefs of Police are sent back to police academy (another comedy) for upgrading and "re-engineering" in basic proven effective police methodology. The Keystoners teach the course. NWEST, the gun cops, receive mandatory psychological treatment for their fetishes for guns. They are eventually reintroduced into the work force, after successful reprogramming, to catch real criminals of real crime. NWEST cops must also return all their illegally confiscated firearms to their lawful owners. Oliver and Stanley drive west into the sunset toward Vancouver in their model T Ford. There is a request in the local paper from the Vancouver police asking the public for assistance in identifying two men suspected of stalking smokers. The police nondescript description reads "One is heavily built, with short, shaved hair and a light goatee. His companion is described as about 5-foot-11 and skinny." "They should be easy to find,". Stanley says to Oliver "after all {if it saves one life) we must help". The End. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox, Sask. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:16:20 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: MINISTER COTLER INTRODUCES LEGISLATION TO COMBAT GUN CRIME MINISTER COTLER INTRODUCES LEGISLATION TO COMBAT GUN CRIME OTTAWA, November 25, 2005 - Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Irwin Cotler, today introduced legislation in Parliament to combat gun and gang violence. http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/news/nr/2005/doc_31746.html Backgrounder: Criminal Code Amendments to Combat Gun and Gang-Related Crime in Canada http://canada.justice.gc.ca/en/news/nr/2005/doc_31748.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:00:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Martin seeks apology for 'organized crime' jab http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051125/wl_canada_nm/canada_politics_col;_ylt=A ky9xu9FOtORS1gLePBsogl09L4F;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl Martin seeks apology for 'organized crime' jab By Randall Palmer 57 minutes ago OTTAWA (Reuters) - Prime Minister Paul Martin demanded on Friday that the Conservative opposition apologize for comments linking his minority Liberals to organized crime. Martin's government is expected to be brought down in Parliament on Monday evening over a scandal involving kickbacks from government contracts, and election fever is gripping political parties. Martin said, however, that Conservative leader Stephen Harper went too far in using the words "organized crime" to describe the Liberals. "He should apologize and make a strong withdrawal of that statement," Martin told reporters in Kelowna, British Columbia, where he is attending a conference on aboriginal policies. The Conservatives said they had nothing to say sorry for, and it was the Liberals who should apologize for wrongdoings involving a government sponsorship program that was designed to encourage support for federalism among French-speaking Quebecers. "The Liberals need to apologize to Canadians for the sponsorship corruption, and the Liberal Party needs to come clean about the tens of millions of sponsorship dollars still missing," Harper said in a statement. "A Conservative government will ask the appropriate authorities to take action against the Liberal Party to recover the missing money." The uproar marked an early start to what is expected to be a bruising election battle. Campaign buses and planes are expected to start rolling on Tuesday for an election in mid to late January. The Liberals hold a small lead over the Conservatives in public opinion polls and had hoped to put the sponsorship scandal behind them. The scandal was largely responsible for their losing their majority in Parliament in the June 2004 election. On Friday, the Liberals appeared to be seeking to replicate a bounce they got in the 2004 election when they demanded Harper apologize for a Conservative press release accusing Martin of supporting child porn. Harper refused and the story stayed alive for three days. Harper made his "organized crime" remark in the House of Commons on Thursday as he introduced a motion of no confidence in the government, which is scheduled to pass on Monday and bring the Liberals down. He said evidence to a commission that investigated the sponsorship scandal had shown that the Liberals have no moral authority to govern. "The testimony before the commission began to confirm a sponsorship program that was a front for massive kickbacks involving organized crime, used by the Liberal Party to fill its own election coffers," Harper said on Thursday. Finance Minister Ralph Goodale said in the House of Commons on Friday that Harper had engaged in "a pattern of meanness" and demanded a retraction. John Reynolds, national campaign co-chair of the Conservative Party, retorted: "There's still C$40 million missing that we don't know where it went. There's nothing to apologize for on this side of the House." Reynolds later engaged in semantic sparring with reporters over whether the kickbacks had involved organized crime. "This was crime and it was organized," he said. "Now it's in the hands of the police." (Additional reporting by Allan Dowd in Kelowna) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:03:38 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Tories stand by accusation linking Liberals to organized crime http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20051125/ca_pr_on_na/elxn_martin_harper Tories stand by accusation linking Liberals to organized crime 2 hours, 27 minutes ago OTTAWA (CP) - Tories stood defiantly by their allegation linking the Liberals to organized crime and dared their opponents Friday to make the accusation a campaign issue. They flatly rejected Liberal calls to apologize. Prime Minister Paul Martin demanded a retraction and his office threatened to sue over the comments by Stephen Harper, who told the Commons on Thursday that the sponsorship program was "a front for massive kickbacks involving organized crime, used by the Liberal party to fill its own election coffers.". But the Conservative leader said he has nothing to apologize for. One of his top lieutenants dared Liberals to keep pushing the issue during the upcoming election. "The prime minister has got it backwards," Harper said in an interview. "It's the Liberal party that needs to apologize to Canadians." Harper added that "a Conservative government will ask the appropriate authorities to pursue the Liberal party for the tens of millions of taxpayer dollars that are still missing." With pre-election mud-slinging setting the stage for a nasty campaign, the prime minister said his opponents should retract their allegation. "Yesterday in the House of Commons, Mr. Harper made a statement concerning organized crime which is false," Martin said on his way into a Kelowna, B.C. conference on aboriginal people. "He should apologize and he should withdraw that statement." John Reynolds, the Tory election co-chair, was adamant there will be no apology: "He's not getting one. It was a crime that was well-organized." Reynolds then cited testimony from the Gomery inquiry, which heard about envelopes stuffed with cash being handed out in restaurants and false paper trails hiding cash transfers to Liberals. The sponsorship scandal has resulted in the criminal conviction of Montreal ad man Paul Coffin, while Jean Brault, another ad exec, and retired bureaucrat Chuck Guite also face charges. And the RCMP is still looking into other possible crimes. "There were crimes involved. The RCMP are investigating, money under the table, bags of cash," Reynolds said. "These were Liberals - no other political party in Canada. If they want to make this an election issue, good for them. . . "Obviously when there's still $40.5 million missing that even (Justice John Gomery) with all his experts couldn't find, that's a very well organized crime." The dispute was just one of several slurs tossed back and forth between Tories and Liberals as the pre-election jockeying continues. Martin wore a sombre expression as he spoke to reporters. "This is not the first time Mr. Harper has made statements such as this in the shadow of an election campaign," the prime minister said. "Canadians deserve better. They want to see a national debate. They do not want to see a repetition of the kinds of acts and activities that we have seen during question period in the House of Commons over the course of the last year and a half." The Liberals are clearly hoping to exploit once again public distaste for campaign rough-tumble that crosses the line of good taste. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:03:57 -0600 (CST) From: freefallcrusader Subject: Poll - go vote... Toronto Sun has a poll - go vote.... http://www.torontosun.com/News/home.html (Results at 12:55pm PT) What would you like best for a Christmas present? A new Xbox 10% Pair of Leafs tickets 19% The Liberals out of office 71% Total Votes for this Question: 2694 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:51:45 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Subject: Letters to the Editor @WFP Re- letter from HERB SCHULZ >The opposition parties tell us the Adscam scandal has proven the >Liberal >government is too corrupt to be allowed to continue in office and must >be brought down immediately. Yet, the only people apparently not afraid >to wait for the final Gomery Report presumably fixing guilt for that >affair, are the Liberals. >HERB SCHULZ Winnipeg What Mr Schultz fails to understand, is the Final Report will NOT be pointing fingers, and laying any blame. The report will supposedly be about 'Preventing' this from happening again, and of course the Liberals will agree with everything 100% .. Waiting for the report does not mean the Liberals are not crooks, and will be vindicated, but rather the more time they wait, the more likely it will be that people like Mr. Schultz will forget what kind of lying thieves they look like right now, and make the horrendous mistake of voting for them again! Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:52:21 -0600 (CST) From: freefallcrusader Subject: McGuinty Government Welcomes Federal Action On Gun Crime Ontario Ministry of The Attorney General Transmitted by CNW Group on : November 25, 2005 16:00 McGuinty Government Welcomes Federal Action On Gun Crime Federal Bill Reflects Ontario-led National Consensus TORONTO, Nov. 25 /CNW/ - Attorney General Michael Bryant today pledged support for the federal government's introduction of amendments to the Criminal Code that would, if passed, increase mandatory minimum sentences for gun crimes, and would introduce new offences to target gun theft. "Today, parliament gets the opportunity to send a message to the streets: gun violence will not be tolerated - no matter what role you play, whether you pulled the trigger or supplied the gun," said Bryant. Following through on a commitment made at the federal-provincial-territorial justice ministers' meeting earlier this month, the federal government has introduced legislation, which, if passed, would: - - Increase mandatory minimum penalties to two years for trafficking in firearms and possession for the purpose of trafficking; firearms smuggling; and illegal possession of loaded handguns in public - - Introduce two new offences to the Criminal Code: break and enter with the intent to steal or where a firearm is stolen; and robbery with intent to steal or where a firearm is stolen - - Expand prohibition order provisions, banning gun possession for offenders - - Restrict parole eligibility for violent firearm offences - - Improve protection for witnesses in firearms cases. Ontario and the federal government are also moving forward on teams of dedicated prosecutors working together in the Toronto area to take action on gun and related drug crimes. "This year's surge in gun violence is a huge concern in urban centres, especially in the Greater Toronto Area," said Community Safety and Correctional Services Minister Monte Kwinter. "That's one of the reasons the McGuinty government is providing funding to help GTA police services hire 531 new police officers through our Safer Communities - 1,000 Officers Partnership program." In spring 2006, provincial and territorial ministers of justice will review additional proposals to address gun crime in Canada. "Combating gun violence requires all levels of government to work together," said Bryant. "This legislation shows that we can work together quickly and effectively to respond to urgent public problems. We can send the appropriate message when it comes to illegal firearms - we have zero tolerance for illegal activity related to the possession and use of firearms." Disponible en français www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca - -30- /For further information: Greg Crone, Minister's Office, (416) 326-1785; Brendan Crawley, Communications Branch, (416) 326-2210/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:59:06 -0600 (CST) From: Breitkreuz@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: Liberal crime bill mere posturing: Toews Vic Toews, MP Provencher (MB) Official Opposition Justice Critic News Release FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE November 25, 2005 Liberal crime bill mere posturing: Toews STEINBACH - Today's announcement on gun crime is just one more desperate, last-minute Liberal promise that will not be kept, says Conservative Justice Critic Vic Toews. Long-awaited changes to the firearms offences in the Criminal Code, introduced today by federal Justice Minister Irwin Cotler, propose: raising the penalties for offences related to the trafficking and smuggling of firearms, creating two new offences with respect to stolen firearms, expanding the use of firearm prohibition orders, and restricting parole eligibility. "The Liberals have consistently opposed mandatory prison sentences, and are only enhancing existing penalties on the eve of a federal election because they know that the bill will fail," said Toews. "For months, the Prime Minister has dismissed serious concerns from the Conservative party, from law enforcement representatives, and from provincial attorney generals." Toews focused on the complete failure of the Liberal bill to address the root causes of gun violence, such as organized crime and the drug trade, saying that without moving firmly against drug trafficking, increasing sentences for some gun laws alone will be ineffective. He also stated that the bill will do nothing to deter the most violent criminals in our communities. "It does not even touch on penalties for the most serious gun crimes," Toews stated. "A Conservative government will introduce meaningful reforms to our criminal justice system. We will invest in front-line policing, and introduce mandatory minimum prison terms for a comprehensive range of violent, repeat, gun-related, and drug-trafficking offences. We will also combat the roots of gun and gang-violence through a national strategy to combat the illegal drug trade," continued Toews. "Only a Conservative government committed to protecting the rights of victims, will take our gun violence problem seriously." - -30- For more information, please contact: Vic Toews, MP for Provencher: Ottawa: (613) 992-3128 Steinbach: (204) 326-9889 ___________________________________________________________________________ ____________________ Vic Toews Député de Provencher (Man.) Porte-parole de l'Opposition officielle, justice Communiqué POUR DIFFUSION IMMÉDIATE Le 25 novembre 2005 Le projet de loi des libéraux sur la lutte au crime avec armes à feu n'est qu'une mascarade -Toews STEINBACH - Les mesures annoncées aujourd'hui pour lutter contre le crime avec armes à feu ne sont qu'une autre promesse de dernière minute faite en désespoir de cause et que les Libéraux ne tiendront pas plus que leurs autres promesses, dit le porte-parole conservateur en matière de Justice, Vic Toews. Les modifications aux dispositions du Code criminel relatives aux armes à feu proposées aujourd'hui par le ministre fédéral de la Justice, Irwin Cotler, mais qu'on attendait déjà depuis longtemps, rendraient plus sévères les peines prévues à l'égard des infractions de trafic et de contrebande d'armes à feu, créeraient deux nouvelles infractions relatives aux armes à feu volées, élargirait le recours aux ordonnances interdisant de posséder ou d'utiliser des armes à feu et limiterait l'admissibilité à la libération conditionnelle. « Les Libéraux se sont toujours opposés aux peines d'emprisonnement obligatoires, et s'ils alourdissent les peines existantes alors que des élections générales vont bientôt être déclenchées, c'est uniquement parce qu'ils savent que le projet de loi va expirer au Feuilleton », a dit M. Toews. « Depuis des mois, le premier ministre rejette du revers de la main des problèmes graves signalés par le Parti conservateur, les responsables de l'application des lois de tout le pays et les procureurs généraux provinciaux. » M. Toews a surtout insisté sur le fait que les Libéraux n'ont absolument rien fait pour éliminer les causes premières de la criminalité reposant sur l'usage des armes à feu, c'est-à-dire le crime organisé et le trafic des stupéfiants, ajoutant qu'à défaut de sévir avec fermeté contre le trafic des drogues, il ne servira à rien d'adopter des mesures pour alourdir les peines à l'égard de certaines infractions commises au moyen d'armes à feu. Il a également déclaré que le projet de loi n'aura aucun effet dissuasif sur les criminels les plus violents de nos collectivités. « Le projet de loi ne change même rien aux peines prévues pour les crimes les plus violents commis avec des armes à feu », a dit le député. « Un gouvernement conservateur apportera à notre système de justice pénale des réformes qui feront une différence. Nous investirons dans les services de police de première ligne et nous adopterons des peines d'emprisonnement minimales obligatoires pour toute une gamme d'infractions, depuis les crimes avec violence jusqu'au trafic de drogue sans oublier les récidives et les infractions commises au moyen d'armes à feu. Nous nous attaquerons aussi aux causes premières de la violence armée et des guerres de gangs en élaborant une stratégie nationale de lutte au trafic des stupéfiants », a poursuivi M. Toews. « Seul un gouvernement conservateur déterminé à protéger les droits des victimes prendra au sérieux le problème de violence armée qui sévit au Canada. » ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #676 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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