From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #804 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, December 21 2005 Volume 08 : Number 804 In this issue: Firearms, ammunition stolen from Calgary home GUN THIEVES BEAT DOGS IN DAYTIME BREAK-IN Seven rifles, a large-calibre handgun and 200 rounds of ammunition Gignac's death a 'wake-up' call; Letter: It's easier to kill with a gun Letter to Globe and Mail (unpub) ... Paid volunteer?? Re:Provincial Premiers Mailing Addresses Letter to Ottawa Citizen (unpub) ... Re: [NFAMemberDigest] Provincial Premiers Mailing Addresses At the Hands of A GUN??? 12(6) Class Action Suit info Busy Day in Court Martin pandering to victims of violence ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:02:44 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Firearms, ammunition stolen from Calgary home PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: 2005.12.21 PAGE: A14 SECTION: National News SOURCE: CP EDITION: Metro DATELINE: Calgary AB WORDS: 67 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Canada in Brief Firearms, ammunition stolen from Calgary home - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Calgary Several firearms, including a large-calibre handgun, have been stolen from a home in southeast Calgary. Police say the haul includes seven rifles and 200 rounds of ammunition. They say the firearms were properly stored when the break-in occurred on Dec. 2. Two dogs that were in the house at the time were severely beaten and needed surgery. Both have been returned to their owner. CP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:03:28 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: GUN THIEVES BEAT DOGS IN DAYTIME BREAK-IN PUBLICATION: The Calgary Sun DATE: 2005.12.21 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 20 BYLINE: BILL KAUFMANN, CALGARY SUN WORD COUNT: 149 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GUN THIEVES BEAT DOGS IN DAYTIME BREAK-IN - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thieves who made off with an arsenal of firearms from a southeast home savagely beat two young dogs, say city police. In broad daylight on Dec. 2, one or more burglars broke into a home in the 3300 block of 39 St. S.E. where they stole seven hunting rifles and a large-calibre handgun, along with 200 rounds of ammunition. While there, the culprits assaulted two rottweilers, aged 10 and 14 months old, probably pummeling them with the pry bar used to force the back door, said Staff Sgt. Shaun Gissing. "At that age, they're not of a real aggressive nature ... these dogs are pussycats," said Gissing. "I'm not sure why they were beaten to such an extent -- their protective instincts aren't even developed yet." The dogs required surgery and are back home, but may need further operations, said Gissing. The firearms stolen were properly secured in a gun safe and could easily be sold to or used by people who'd employ them criminally, he said. Anyone with information can call city police at 273-1888, or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:03:35 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Seven rifles, a large-calibre handgun and 200 rounds of ammunition were stolen Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald DATE: 2005.12.21 EDITION: Final SECTION: City & Region PAGE: B2 BYLINE: Gwendolyn Richards SOURCE: Calgary Herald ILLUSTRATION: Photo: Grant Black, Calgary Herald / Blair Devins' twoRottweiler pups are on the mend after they were beaten when someone broke into his southeast home on Dec. 2. WORD COUNT: 196 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gun thieves injure puppies during robbery - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Two puppies are recovering after being beaten by a burglar who broke into their Dover home and stole rifles and ammunition. District 4 Staff Sgt. Shaun Gissing said the 10-month and 14-month-old Rottweilers were beaten about the back legs with a blunt object when one or more culprits broke into the home in the 3300 block of 39th Street S.E. on Dec. 2. The assault caused muscle tears and ligament damage that required immediate surgery and may need ongoing attention, Gissing said. He said there was no reason to beat the dogs, which are not old enough to have a protective instinct. "It's not a case where these are super-aggressive dogs protecting their property," the staff sergeant said Tuesday. "It's basically a puppy, still." The culprit got into the house by forcing the home's rear door, which was locked with a deadbolt. Once inside, the suspect went to a large, steel, gun safe that had been secured to a wall and pried it open. Seven rifles, a large-calibre handgun and 200 rounds of ammunition were stolen. Gissing praised the unidentified homeowner for doing everything right when it comes to gun storage. "The owner was in lawful possession of firearms and they had been secured in the proper manner," he said. Chances are good the burglary was a targeted attack, Gissing said. The number of guns stolen is a concern to Calgary police, he added. Police are turning to the public for help in cracking the case by identifying the person or people responsible. Anyone with information is asked to call District 4 at 273-1888 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS. grichards@theherald.canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:04:03 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Gignac's death a 'wake-up' call; PUBLICATION: The Hamilton Spectator DATE: 2005.12.21 EDITION: Final SECTION: Canada/World PAGE: A10 BYLINE: Nelson Wyatt SOURCE: The Canadian Press DATELINE: LAVAL, QUE. ILLUSTRATION: Photo: Paul Chiasson, the Canadian Press / A police officer carries the cap of slain policewoman Valerie Gignac while other officers march shoulder-to-shoulder to the church in Laval, Que. WORD COUNT: 444 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gignac's death a 'wake-up' call; Three thousand officers attend policewoman's funeral in Laval - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The brother of slain police officer Valerie Gignac had a simple request for her many mourners. Steve Gignac asked everyone to take a deep breath and reflect on his sister after he described her at her funeral yesterday as someone full of energy, love and light. "I know she'd like to leave us with something positive and with hope," he said at St. Vincent de Paul Roman Catholic Church. The 25-year-old officer was shot with a high-powered rifle last week when she answered what appeared to be a routine call with her partner. Gignac was the eighth Canadian police officer killed on the job this year but the first officer to die in the line of duty in the 40-year history of the Laval force. About 3,000 police officers from across North America came to her funeral in Laval, north of Montreal. The church couldn't accommodate everyone and an auditorium equipped with a large screen held the overflow crowd. Quebec Premier Jean Charest and provincial Lt.-Gov. Lise Thibault were among dignitaries who attended the funeral. Police officers marched shoulder-to-shoulder in the procession to the church. The procession was led by five motorcycles, two pipers and a drummer, and included Laval police cruisers covered in wreaths and an officer marching with Gignac's police cap on a blue velvet pillow. Mounties in their red tunics and Stetsons and officers from Toronto, Vancouver, Halifax, New York City, and from Gignac's force in Laval walked under grey skies. A large contingent was present from the RCMP, which lost four officers earlier this year when they were ambushed by a gunman in Mayerthorpe, Alta. Several officers came from Alberta, including Const. Tanya-Lynn Archambault, 28, who is stationed in Innisfail, Alta., north of Calgary. "I'm three years older than her but I have three years less experience," Archambault said when asked about Gignac. "It's a wake-up call just to be careful every time you go out. You have to make sure to be open-minded that anything can happen, whether it's the little complaints or a big complaint." Const. Marie Dumont, who has been with the RCMP across Canada for more than 18 years, said she hoped politicians would tighten gun laws "because we've lost too many officers to guns, to violence, this year." She grappled with the knowledge that Gignac's alleged killer had been prohibited from possessing firearms except in hunting season. "I can't explain that," said Dumont, who now works in Oromocto, N.B. "He was hunting that day as well. Maybe not an elephant but he was certainly hunting for someone." Steve Gignac also noted the justice system didn't do its best to protect his sister and said a similar tragedy must be prevented. "While we know that there are people with behaviour problems, with violence and aggressivity and the message is they are too dangerous to have firearms. It is hard to understand at the same time how they are permitted to have them in certain circumstances." Gignac's alleged killer has been charged with first-degree murder. Francois Pepin, 40, had been restricted from having weapons for a period of 10 years except during fall hunting season. However, police have said they aren't sure how the high-powered rifle was obtained. Pepin also had recently been convicted of harassing another woman police officer and had been fined and set free with conditions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:04:53 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Letter: It's easier to kill with a gun PUBLICATION: The Hamilton Spectator DATE: 2005.12.21 EDITION: Final SECTION: Opinion PAGE: A17 BYLINE: Barry Campbell, Glanbrook SOURCE: The Hamilton Spectator WORD COUNT: 170 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's easier to kill with a gun - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ RE: 'A shot in the dark; No gun control legislation will provide the cure-all to gun violence. But every step helps' (Dec. 17) They say guns don't kill people --people kill people. But guns are the primary way that people get killed because they are so much more suited to the job. It is not unreasonable to keep guns out of the hands of the general public so as to avoid accidents and deadly angry acts so quickly done and often soon after regretted. A gun is the easiest thing for nearly anyone to use that gives the power of death and grievous injury over another person. The argument that people can kill by other means is not a reasonable one against that of restricting access to guns. The comparison of how many get killed in other ways does not rate. The main means of murder and accidental death by people involve either guns or cars and if an argument can be made to reduce the carnage by either one, it has got to be in favour of the restriction of guns first. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:05:28 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Subject: Letter to Globe and Mail (unpub) ... Harpers talk of pruning the government's power ... (fwd) Prior to the first world war when income tax was introduced as a "temporary measure", the federal government concerned itself primarily with excise and defense. There was no confusion between provincial and federal jurisdiction and there was no imbalance in Canada's federalism. In the intervening years, through rampant growth, empire building and jostling for power, the federal government has grown to the point where it has become the promise of all things to all people, bringer of bread and circuses and awash with "surplus funds". This neo-socialist dream machine has seemingly gone right off the rails, in my opinion. A landlocked federal fishery, a huge health bureacracy that delivers no health care, and most recently some bailing wire and twine version of an asymmetric federal autocracy with seperate side deals for each and every province, territory or first nations group who has a bone to pick. The wonder is not that Quebec wants out, but rather that all of the provinces aren't stampeding towards the door. If the Liberals want to cloak themselves in the drapery of maintaining the status quo of this broken federation, so be it. As for me, if someone is talking about normalizing Federal-Provincial jurisdictions in accordance with the Constitution (BNA Act), then frankly they have my rapt attention. While there are areas that a Federal government should and must govern, they do not include making our provincial governments redundant, and they expressly do not include building a web of carefully negotiated side-deals for each region in the county. One country -- one deal. Canadians would do well to heed Mr. Duceppe's concerns a little more closely, and perhaps Harper might just be on to something here -- perhaps even a "new deal". Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk Oshawa, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:30:56 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: Paid volunteer?? I've been having a good chuckle at all the vitriol expressed at the Oakville Lib Riding Assoc. president. If listees have ever been involved in 'local' politics they would be familiar with the fact that indeed a riding assoc. president - is in fact a "volunteer" - in the fullest sense of the word. (I've been a riding assoc. Pres. on 3 occasions, past Pres. on three occasions and never rec'd a dime. You pay your way to all those conferences like everyone else; spend uncounted hours sitting in badly padded chairs. Only MPs and their spouses get their freight paid). With 308 fed ridings across the Nation, I can assure the inexperienced that most riding assoc. presidents are indeed 'local flunkies' - wayyy down the food chain. I have personally worked with some of the dumbest doorknobs and most misdirected ignoramuses. . . I read once again of the 'huge' sum of money the Coalition for G Control has rec'd from gov't to promote its internal and international agenda. I would 'not go there' less the media pursues an interest in all the fed monies paid to the 'pro gun lobby' provided to all Canadians, whether or not they wish it - thanks to our democratic process. I understand it costs in excess of $1 mil per year to operate an MP's Office. On the National scene, Harper whistle stopped through London on Tues. His 'face validity' has increased over the past week but is not translating into increased voter support. One local news wag noted that another local MPs promo literature listed Stephen as Steven Harper. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:31:25 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re:Provincial Premiers Mailing Addresses And while you are at it talk up the prediction that this will lead to a ban on semi auto hunting guns somewhere down the road and the revenue hunting brings to provincial coffers from both foreign and domestic hunters.. > Hi All, > > Given Martin wants to pawn off his idiotic handgun ban onto the > provinces, I strongly urge every shooter in the country, regardless > of whether you own a handgun or not, to write to your provincial > premier soundly rejecting Martin's handgun ban. > > I would urge you to cc your letters to the rest of the provincial > premiers as well as to Paul Martin. I would also urge you to cc your > provincial MLA as well. Your provincial Parliamentary website will > have all the contact info for your MLA's. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:31:47 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Subject: Letter to Ottawa Citizen (unpub) ... Guns & Drugs (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, The Cherwonak/Betito incident is an unfortunate but predictable outcome when emotions run high on an issue as fraught with complexity as firearms regulations. The Liberals, and Mr. Betito is no exception, take pride on their abhorrence to all things firearm related, and in their haste to vilify anything related to guns, they have inadvertently(?) run roughshod over a very angry minority in Canada - responsible firearm owners. It seems that anything which is directed at the control, banning or confiscation of firearms in the Liberal vernacular is simply termed "gun control", and is always viewed (by them) as a positive thing. The fact that many of the measure they have implemented are completely neutral to the public safety and are horrendously expensive to oversee is of little concern, so long as it makes it tough to own, obtain firearms -- for the law abiding, that is. The sports shooting fraternity are the first to stand up and support reasonable regulations for peaceful firearms ownership in this country. The restrictions placed upon sports shooters, safe storage and safe transport regulations, and the intrusive background checks and authorization certificates were viewed as the price to pay for their ownership of firearms. No more. Meanspirited measures like the confiscation of legal property, and denying our children the same rights that our parents and grandparents took for granted is bound to cause some problems. Soundbites in a desperate struggle to retain power notwithstanding, the announced handgun ban was viewed by many as simply the last straw and quite frankly was a very calculated piece of politics in the very worst sense of the word. One very clear aspect of the Liberal's policy is that the firearms owners are banding together like never before. While the Liberals fear and loathe NRA style lobbying, they may have inadvertently just created the NRA "north" with their hasty, desperate and ill-conceived strategy -- something that Canadian firearms advocacy groups have tried for years to do, the Liberals have accomplish in mere seconds. Nice work! Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk Oshawa, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:30:30 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: [NFAMemberDigest] Provincial Premiers Mailing Addresses At 03:47 AM 12/21/05 -0600, you wrote: > > >Hi All, > >Given Martin wants to pawn off his idiotic handgun ban onto the >provinces, I strongly urge every shooter in the country, regardless >of whether you own a handgun or not, to write to your provincial >premier soundly rejecting Martin's handgun ban. If the federal government does ban handguns, then hands some deal off to the provinces, does the federal government keep issuing restricted weapons licenses to handgun owners in the provinces that have not accepted the ban? What happens when the Department of Justice decides not to issue restricted licenses any more? What about A.T.T.s? The firearms act may well be imploding under the cost of administration and the lack of real results. The announcement for a ban on handguns certainly shows the Liberals have lost faith in the firearms act. Remember too that there have been around fifty murders in Toronto where some micreant used a handgun, if half of these guns were stolen from collecters, that is only 25 guns. And it is very likely that far less than half the guns are stolen from collectors. Mr. Martin is running on smoke and mirrors here folks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:11:40 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Subject: At the Hands of A GUN??? RE===== DATE: 2005.12.20 CATEGORY: National general news BYLINE: TARA BRAUTIGAM PUBLICATION: cpw WORD COUNT: 916 - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Police, politicians and pastors galvanized this year by brazen shootings - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TORONTO (CP) _ Seconds after a bullet tore through his neck last month, Amon Beckles lay sprawled outside the sanctuary of a church, dying at the funeral of a friend whose shooting death he may have witnessed a week earlier. In a metropolis where killings can be relegated to the B sections of the daily newspapers, but with a reputation of being one of the safest on the continent, it was a defining moment in what has been a bloody and violent year. "On the front steps of a house of God, the life of an 18-year-old was snuffed out prematurely, at the hands of a gun." ======================================== See.. Guns 'do' have hands, and commit crimes... This Moron Says so!! This is also the kind of simplistic 'mind(?)' that newspapers too often hire.. Is there an email address for this simpleton? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:53:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: 12(6) Class Action Suit info http://www.twelvesix.ca/ Justice Hughes of the Federal Court (Trial Division) has refused to hear our case. December 21/05: Although we were not successful in Federal Court for a blanket amnesty we did succeed in forcing the government to issue Notices of Refusal. You can now protect yourself and fight this injustice by filing an appeal in Provincial Court. We are asking that every person who receives a Refusal to Register, appeal the decision to your local Provincial Court . The Firearms Act gives you the right to challenge any refusal at NO COST TO YOU. The process is simple and we urge all affected individuals to exercise this right. Once you file the Section 74 appeal, you are protected from police action until such time as a final decision is made by the judge, then you have a 'reasonable' period of time to dispose of the firearms if the judgment is against you. While you are under appeal, the police cannot seize the guns or charge you (Section 72) The form is very easy to fill out and detailed instructions are posted on this site: http://www.twelvesix.ca/Reference_Form_1.pdf If you file a Section 74 hearing, LET US KNOW IMMEDIATELY. We will be providing you with the legal advice and paperwork for your case. As well, we will be present at many of the hearings and appeal to set up a test case which would set a precedent for all the other cases. This is your chance to help us fight this injustice and we strongly urge you to exercise your rights and appeal If, however, you decide that you cannot or do not wish to proceed with this process, and decide you just want to hand the gun in to the police, PLEASE DO NOT! - that is what the Liberals want you to do. Here is another way to dispose of your 12(6) guns: We have arranged for a well known firearms retailer to accept your gun on consignment (we will make the arrangements) and any proceeds from the sale can be donated to our Legislative or Court Action fund. If you have any questions or concerns after reading the material on this website, please do not hesitate to contact us. We may have lost the first round, but we are not through yet! Not by a long shot. For more information on starting your Section 74 hearing, CLICK HERE: http://www.twelvesix.ca/Instructions.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:54:09 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Busy Day in Court Yesterday was a busy day in court. 1. Sam in Hamilton was scheduled to get his firearms back, 2. Bruce Montague was scheduled for a pre-trial hearing in Kenora, Ontario, 3. Jack Wilson & I filed CUFOA's Constitutional Challenge appeal papers in Court of Queen's Bench in Moose Jaw, SK, and also in Moose Jaw, 4. Joe Gingrich's defense counsel in the Canada Customs border crossing dust-up argued to have the Crown's case dismissed. Perhaps we firearms owners are becoming less "gun-shy" in defending our Rights and Freedoms. Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:55:47 -0600 (CST) From: Barry Glasgow Subject: Martin pandering to victims of violence To: Toronto Sun , Toronto Globe & Mail , Toronto Star , Vancouver Province , Vancouver Sun Cc: Saskatoon Star-Phoenix , Sault Star , Sherbrooke Record , "St.John Telegraph-Journal" , "St.Johns Telegram" , Sudbury Star , WilliamsLake BC Tribune , Windsor Star , Winnipeg Sun , Winnipeg Free Press , Woodstock Sentinel-Review , BC Cowichan News Leader , BC Squamish The Chief , Edmonton Journal , Edmonton Sun , Fredericton Daily Gleaner , Halifax Chronicle-Herald , Halifax Daily-News , Hamilton Spectator , Hill Times , Kamloops Daily News , Kingston Whig-Standard , London FreePress , Lorne Gunter , Moncton Times & Transcript , Montreal Gazette , National Post , NiagaraFalls Review , NS Cape Breton Post , ON Brockville Recorder & Times , Ottawa Citizen , Ottawa Sun , PEI Guardian , Regina Leader-Post , Ronald Levett , AB Calgary Sun , AB Calgary Herald , BC Creston Valley Advance , BC Campbell River Mirror , BC Cloverdale Reporter , BC Commox Valley Record , BC Kelowna Capital News , BC Abbotsford News , BC Smithers Interior News , BC Prince George Free Press , BC Quesnel Observer , BC Chilliwack The Progress , BC Burnaby Now , BC Vernon Morning Star , BC North Thompson Star-Journal , BC 100 Mile Free-Press , BC Aldergrove Star , BC Burnaby News Leader , BC Castlegar News , BC Thompson Times , BC Merritt Herald , BC Omineca Free Press , BC Salmon Arm Observer , BC Terrace Standard Prime Minister Paul Martin has agreed to meet with the girlfriend and mother of slain artist Lee Matasi to talk about handgun violence. I'll believe Mr. Martin's sincerity about listening to the opinions of the victims of handgun violence when he schedules a separate photo-op with Theodore Huxtable, whose eldest son Jason, 18, was killed in Toronto on Aug. 30. I seriously doubt it since Mr. Huxtable's opinion [reported by Alan Cairns on December 11 in the Toronto Sun], mostly ignored by media, was that "For this so-called prime minister of ours to come into the low-income areas of this city and make a statement banning guns ... I look at him as a jackass ... and I'll never vote Liberal again as long as I live". He also noted that "This man goes into the ghetto and says he wants to ban guns -- they are laughing at him". I wonder if the PMO will be contacting Mr. Huxtable any time soon. ====================== Barry Glasgow RR#2, Woodlawn, Ontario ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #804 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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