From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V8 #874 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, January 2 2006 Volume 08 : Number 874 In this issue: Letter to National Post (unpub) ... Liberal party using the Goodale's ministerial office for partisan Liberals rewarding their friends using taxdollars under the guise Re: Resounding Response Re: Seeking Justice Re: What a year it's been Re: Letter: Long gun owners are not in danger Re: Letter: Long gun owners are not in danger Re: Letter: Long gun owners are not in danger Re: Letter: The Jamaican/Toronto connection Letter to Globe and Mail (unpub) ... It was suggested to me ... My letter to the Saint John Telegraph Journal Letter to the Editor Re: National Post Column: Small conceits reveal Liberal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:44:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Subject: Letter to National Post (unpub) ... Understanding 'senseless violence' ... (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, Letter writer and Professor Srebrnik makes a stinging point, but does not further analyse the actions of those in power to change the situation. Miller, McGuinty and Martin have announced a united front against the criminal use of firearms on our streets. What an incredible oxymoron to have the Liberal elite address criminal activity. Their lips are moving at the speed of sound, but thus far, the only real "action" they have announced is to remove from responsible citizens the right to own handguns for target shooting. Hardly the stuff of rocket science. With Liberal toes to the fire, and urban Canadians looking for leadership on the crime file, the next best measure they can come up with is an unworkable "reverse onus" bail proposal for firearms violators which under scrutiny will prove unconstitutional, and like most Liberal crime measures wildly expensive but completely useless -- in short, truly worthy of Liberal "program" status. For years the Liberals have resisted implementing the consecutive sentences for fireams crimes that the Liberals themselves prescribed in 1995 with the changes to the criminal code brought about by the Canadian Firearms Act. Irwin Cotler, the federal Justice Minister has said any number of times that "custodial sentences are not a deterrent to crime", and so instead they implemented a revolving door justice policy which puts dangerous offenders right back on the streets to kill more victims. Now there's a plan! One might wonder what John Tory and Stephen Harper would propose? Something which might actually be effective against violent crime, cost effective and actually useful for the public safety, no doubt. Something which might punish the guilty for their crimes, and leave innocent sportsmen alone? Surely, that would have a negative impact upon our "multicultural Canadian Values", and so we could never allow that! Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk Oshawa, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:45:17 -0600 (CST) From: Bob Richards Subject: Liberal party using the Goodale's ministerial office for partisan Take a look at the following faxed pages. goodale-fax-1.jpg goodale-fax-2.jpg goodale-fax-3.jpg goodale-fax-4.jpg The faxes are from accounting firm Deloitte & Touche to the Ministry of Finance (Ralph Goodale's office). The faxes are to Mike Burton, a former ministerial staffer of Finance Minister Ralph Goodale. However, it appears from these faxes that Burton is also an organizer within the Saskatchewan Liberal Association. The faxes, intended for the Minister's office detail Liberal Party donations to the riding of Regina Qu'Appelle where one assumes Burton is organizing for the Liberal Party. The faxes also describe accounting of party funds in the ridings of Prince Albert and Regina-Lumsden-Lake Centre. It's a big no-no for a ministerial budget to be used for partisan purposes and it's clear from these faxed pages that 1. The pages detail the business of the Saskatchewan Liberal Association. 2. The cover page indicates the intended destination, "Finance" 3. The fax number on the cover page (613) 995-XXXX indicates a House of Commons / Ministerial number. 4. There is not a number within the (613) 995- range that should be receiving faxes dealing with partisan business. This fax was obtained indirectly by this conservative blogger via a campaigning Conservative friend who obtained it from a Conservative MP that received the fax by mistake (number blurred to protect the innocent). Apparently, the fax number was typed in erroneously (a dialing typo). Furthermore, is it the same Mike Burton from Saskatchewan that provides us with yet another one of those 30 million reasons to not vote Liberal? mike-burton-saskatchewan-liberal.jpg Click image to enlarge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:45:40 -0600 (CST) From: Bob Richards Subject: Liberals rewarding their friends using taxdollars under the guise Liberals rewarding their friends using taxdollars under the guise of "Relocation Services"? http://www.conservativelife.com/blog...ng_their_frien See the article for all the sources he links to. 2.25 BILLION for "Relocation Services": Going to Luxury Hotels, Spas, Golf Resorts When most of us move, we load our stuff onto a U-Haul and spend the night at the Howard Johnson's. Not so if you are employed by the government and a friend of the Liberal Party. Besides van line contracts for the Department of National Defense, our money is being spent for some pretty over the top accommodations/vacation spots. Just look at some of the contracts awarded by Public Works and billed as "relocation services": Hilton Disney World Resort Lake Bueno Vista Date contract Awarded: January 1, 2004 Amount of Contract: $25,000.00 Reason(?): "Relocation Services" Club Golf Heritage Quebec January 1, 2004 $26,250.00 Marriott Resort and Spa Waikiki Beach, Honolulu $97,410.00 1000 Islands Tours and Travel Colonial Resort and Health Spa Gananoque $67,500.00 Laguna Brisas Resort and Spa Laguna Beach California January 1, 2005 $25,000.00 Le Meridien Resort/Spa Cancun Mexico January 1, 2004 $25,000.00 January 1, 2005 $25,000.00 White Oaks Tennis World-Resort and Spa Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario $186,000.00 Club Regent Casino Winnipeg, Manitoba January 01, 2004 $25,000.00 January 01, 2005 $25,000.00 Taboo Golf Resort and Spa Gravenhurst January 1, 2005 $25,000.00 Melia Santo Hotel and Casino, Santo Domingo January 01, 2005 $25,000.00 Government Contracts for "relocation services" from November 2002 until October 2005 total: $2,243,154,797.00 Moving expenses or a slush fund for more undeserved perks for special Liberals? Note: It is likely that the vast majority of the money allocated for "relocation services" is used appropriately. Clearly, however, some of it is not and that appears to be a worrisome pattern with this Liberal government. UPDATE: It should be noted that the awarding of these contracts was itself under controversy last year when Royal LePage was awarded the handling of relocation services... Lucrative contract sparks charge of Liberal favouritism And this is before anyone actually examined the contracts that were being awarded. Not only is the program used in a corrupt manner but the awarding of the lucrative contract to handle these contracts was itself mired in controversy... The contract has been an embarrassing thorn in Ottawa's side for years -- ever since competing bidders complained that public servants handling the file were too cozy with Royal LePage executives. I wonder how many Royal LePage executives took advantage of these "relocation services". When Scott Brison made this speech on February 25th of last year he wasn't kidding... For example, we gave a contract for moving government workers to Royal Lepage Relocation Services. However, many of the benefits will go not to the lead firm but to small business people including lawyers, surveyors and real estate agents across Canada. Oh, and also friends of the Liberal Party. UPDATE #2: The stated purpose of "relocation services" according to Scott Brison (minister in charge of Public Works) is for "moving government workers". I had no idea we had government employees working at "Hilton Disney World Resort", "Club Golf Heritage", "Laguna Brisas Resort and Spa", to name a few. Here is a full description of "relocation services" provided by the federal government. Nowhere does it state that vacations in Cancun would be covered by taxpayers - though a survey was done to assess the satisfaction level of employees using the program and 66% were satisfied (0.5% of which described their moving experience as "the time of their lives"). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:47:56 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Resounding Response - ----- Original Message ----- > http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20051231-006/page.asp > > Resounding Response > December 31, 2005 > "The government and the police have been working very hard to resolve this > issue," said McGuinty. > > "There are no quick fixes, no magic solutions but I think we can all come > to the conclusion that what we've done so far has been less than > effective." Give me a F*****g break ? These two faced bottom sucking scumbags have had 12 years to do something ? now that theyre in position to lose an election they are all comfy and cozy with the latest hoopla to preventing shootings ? Why? I ask ? Didnt they do this twelve years ago ? or get rid of the Young Offenders act altogether ? If your old enough to do the crime your old enough to do the time . ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:48:21 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Seeking Justice - ----- Original Message ----- > http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20051231-007/page.asp > > Seeking Justice > December 31, 2005 > > "The only way to get tough on crime is to get tough on criminals, to > increase sentences, to deny bail to those who use guns in our > communities," > said Jonathan Wamback's father Joe. > > * Joe Wamback is the founder of the Canadian Crime Victims Foundation > and has vowed that he'll continue to lobby for tougher sentences. For more > information on his organization, click here. Bail h*** they should be kept in jail as long as it takes their victims to come back to life. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:49:08 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: What a year it's been - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Jasper" > As 2005 winds down, keep these random happenings in mind. > Ionson claims she 'gave-it-all' to her man and has been disabled and > unable to work. Sobesky argued she was faking and from photo's of her > horseback riding, etc., contended she was fully able to return to her > former well-paid vocation - as an exotic dancer. The judge would hear > Nunnavut and declared, "Pay the woman." Ionson was awarded $9,000 per > month for support and household expenses plus $162,000 for her legal > costs. What happened to the Family Law Reform Act ?Inheritances and lotteries were not elegible for community property ..This lower court judge has effectively eviserated this act.I would think on appeal to the SCC he would have a good chance of beating this rap. But it begs the question : ? why the h*** didnt he take the money and run ? say to the Bahamas?, where she couldnt touch him? Much the same as the head honcho for Bre-x after he sold out his shares just before the stock tanked > ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:59:46 -0600 (CST) From: "Calvin Martin, QC" Subject: Re: Letter: Long gun owners are not in danger At 12:29 PM 1/2/2006, you wrote: > PUBLICATION: New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal > DATE: 2020.06.01 > PAGE: A7 > SECTION: Readers'Forum > WORD COUNT: 858 > > I'd like to reassure those rural people who own long guns that we are > not in danger of losing them with the proposed ban on handguns. Why do you think the Feds want us to register our long guns. We have lost a lot of them already. Your MP has to do what he is told. Calvin Martin, QC, 600 Church Street, Toronto, Ontario, M4Y 2E7 Tel 416 922-5854 Fax 416 944-0285 Cell 416 702-5855 Email dvc14@calvinmartinqc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:00:35 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: Letter: Long gun owners are not in danger At 11:29 AM 1/2/06 -0600, you wrote: > > > >PUBLICATION: New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal >DATE: 2020.06.01 >PAGE: A7 >SECTION: Readers'Forum >WORD COUNT: 858 > >I'd like to reassure those rural people who own long guns that we are >not in danger of losing them with the proposed ban on handguns. > >As many of you know, I am a long gun owner and an avid hunter to boot >and any proposed legislation that could possibly threaten my possession >and ownership of rifles and shotguns would be met with vigorous >disapproval and active protest. Just remember Mr. Martin promised the handgun ban would be based on the Australian model. Pump and semi auto shotguns and rifles were banned and confiscated as well in Australia. Take a very close look at this photo to see how Australians handled long guns http://www.telusplanet.net/public/emerge/austreg2.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:26:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: Re: Letter: Long gun owners are not in danger - ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Letter: Long gun owners are not in danger > RAY DILLON > Keswick Ridge Ray Dillon is/was the New Brunswick Provincial Liberal Party Candidate for Matctaquac in the 2003 NB Provincial election... Ooops! Did he forget to mention that? Bad, Ray, bad! Yours under Tyranny in Lieberal Occupied Kanuckistan, Bruce Hamilton Ontario We don't need gun control, we need Liberal control - Kick The Rascals Out! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:34:35 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Letter: The Jamaican/Toronto connection - ----- Original Message ----- > PUBLICATION: National Post > DATE: 2006.01.02 > EDITION: National > SECTION: Editorials > PAGE: A14 > BYLINE: Keith Stringer > SOURCE: National Post > WORD COUNT: 279 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The Jamaican/Toronto connection > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Re: A Gun Problem Of Our Own, editorial, Dec. 29. DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING OUR POITICIANS SAY ? WE CERTAINLY DONT ~!THEY ARE COMMUNIST SUBVERSIVES OUT TO REMOVE ANY "RIGHTS " WE THINK WE HAVE The average Canadian doesnt believ the garbage that our politicians employ and we know that the American public are the best friends we could ever have. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:37:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Subject: Letter to Globe and Mail (unpub) ... Reality Check Targeting gun offences presents legal quagmire (fwd) Liberal beer and popcorn afficianado Scott Reid indicates that "the public good of keeping those who are involved in suspected crimes involving guns behind bars outweighs the counter arguments". Previously, and on many occasions, Liberal Justice Minister Irwin Cotler has insisted that "tough custodial sentences are not a deterrent to crime". So just what is it that the Liberals would have us believe? Liberal crime measures have included a long gun registry, a revolving door justice system which puts violent offenders back on the streets in no time at all, and a promise to implement a total ban on handguns -- but only the legal handguns in the posession of licensed owners mind you. Now, the Liberal's are backpatting themselves over their latest non-proposal, a complicated "reverse onus" for bail conditions pertaining to firearms crimes which is likely unconstitutional in any event. I suppose it is a virtue to be consistent, and what each of these measures shares is a consistent lack of efficacy and a demonstrated and arrogant lack of regard for the intelligence of Canadians. Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk Oshawa, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:20:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Subject: It was suggested to me ... Dear Digest, I cast this out for discussion ... A like minded (IPSC shooter) approached me with the idea of obtaining and flying the national flag upside-down for the duration. His point was that it is an international sign of distress, and makes a very visual impact -- which the press will pick up rather quickly. As responsible firearms owners are "in distress", I see that there is some merit in the idea, however, it will not do to make it ONLY a "firearms" issue -- as a one issue person is "a disaffected redneck", and can be written off very easily. By flying the flag, and letting the rumours fly, perhaps we can join ranks, and even swell them. A "quiet campaign" against the corruption and ineffectiveness of the Liberals, and in particular regarding their failures on the justice front, Adscam, etc. etc. might well be served by a silent and orderly, but consistent and widespread intentional flying of the maple-leaf upside down. Bumper sticker flags are an obvious choice, but the original recommendation was to have our gun clubs and hunting associations fly their flags inverted. I think it has to be done on an individual basis in order to have an impact. Comments? "Ego te revolvo" (I turn you around). Cheers, Rob Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:23:31 -0600 (CST) From: "Bruce Mills" Subject: My letter to the Saint John Telegraph Journal Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills To: Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Long gun owners are not in danger It is little wonder that Ray Dillion is so complimentary and supportive of Savoy and the Federal Liberals, seeing as how he was the Provincial Liberal Party Candidate for Matctaquac in the 2003 Provincial election. I guess he just happened to forget to mention that in his letter. The fact is that it is Ray and his Liberal cronies who are the ones who are "stirring up" non-gun-owners, with the specter of gangsters with handguns in their proposed handgun ban. This is to cover up their dismal failure when it comes to dealing with violent crimes. Their much vaunted Firearms Act has done nothing to prevent gun crime, and 12 long years of Liberal policies of coddling criminals makes sure there is a steady demand for illegal guns. Make no mistake, Ray is the one with the ulterior motive - the eventual eradication of firearms ownership by private individuals. This has long been the "hidden agenda" behind all so-called "gun control" legislation. They seek to do this through the age-old tactic of "divide and conquer": handguns today, long guns tomorrow. Any hunter who thinks they are safe simply because they don't own handguns are fooling themselves. Paul Martin says he is following the "Australia Model"; well, Australia banned all semi-auto and pump action long guns, along with handguns. If you don't think the gun grabbers salivate at the thought of confiscating your Ruger Mini 14, that evil weapon of destruction used in the Montreal Massacre, then I've got this bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Ray's claims of "exemptions for target shooters and collectors" are nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Only Olympic class competitive target shooters will be "exempt", and collectors will only be allowed to keep their guns if they are irreversibly deactivated. Ray can wrap himself in the flag and smear himself with apple pie all he wants, but it won't change the facts: we don't need gun control, we need Liberal control! Kick The Rascals Out! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:57:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Al Muir" Subject: Letter to the Editor I sent this letter to my local paper. While it is difficult to get the context because the original article is not available in electronic format, I am not sure if anyone has used the angle in the last paragraph. I have provided the letter for that reason Al Hunting is not a sport, it's a way of life In his column, "Keep your head down for the holidays" Mark Leeming suggests that Paul Martin, unlike Steven ( the " Reptilian..Iceman"- Mr. Leeming's characterization) Harper, had the good taste to not wait on a shocking enough murder to tote his proposed handgun "ban". While Mr. Leeming recognizes the situation in Toronto "reflects a year-round problem". He is unwilling, due to lib-left leanings, or unable, due to lack of knowledge of the chronological sequence of events as they occurred in Toronto, to recognize the lateness of Mr. Martin's response to the situation. The reality is that Mr. Martin's handgun "ban" announcement was late in following a series of murders that were as equally repugnant as the death of 15 year old Jane Creba. Deaths such as the one of Amon Beckles, a mourner at a church where the service was for yet another young victim of the same, "year-round problem". Mr. Leeming then suggests that Jane Creba was killed by "teenagers firing pistols in a crowd" and that Mr. Harper can only threaten them with jail. He then goes on to suggest that Mr. Martin is dealing poorly with a different element of "hardened gangsters". The problem with Mr. Leeming's argument is the primary suspect in Ms. Creba's shooting, Andre Thompson, is a hardened gangster, on probation for robbery and with a firearms prohibition. In fact he has faced a total of 19 previous charges for actions on three different occasions. The charges include uttering death threats and assault. It turns out Mr. Harper was not being "reptilian" at all in accusing the Liberals of being unable to enforce existing laws in the instance under discussion. The truth be told, our unelected judges, and plea bargaining prosecutors are equally to blame. In the case of Andre Thompson 15 of the 19 previous charges were plea bargained away before he pled guilty to the other four. The guilty plea on robbery/armed robbery, section 343 of the criminal code, carries a maximum sentence of life in prison. His year previous guilty plea to assault, section 265(1) of the criminal code carried a maximum of five years in prison. Despite all the charges against Andre Thompson and his admitted guilt to four charges on three separate occasions he was free to place himself, in illegal possession of a handgun, on the street next to Jane Creba. Now we are getting daily reports on how Mr. Martin is in continuous discussions with Toronto Mayor, David Miller and Ontario Premier, Dalton McGuinty regarding the situation in Toronto. Meanwhile the per capita gun deaths in cities like Vancouver and Edmonton are greater than those in Toronto. But Vancouver and Edmonton are not Liberal strongholds while Toronto and the rest of Ontario are. Mr. Martin's late response, and focus on Toronto should be enough to make one wonder if Mr. Leeming's has applied his "reptilian" label to the correct person. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:58:12 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: National Post Column: Small conceits reveal Liberal consciousness Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Its a Liberal thing... > If true, the latest scandal surrounding the Liberals -- the question of > whether insiders leaked confidential financial information to Bay Street > traders in advance of that information being made public -- is very > likely an offshoot of a thousand smaller smugnesses: We alone are fit to > govern. Only we are capable of defending Canadian values. Our opponents > (and most Canadians) are nowhere near as clever as we. Not only does > this grant us the divine right to rule, it also ensures we are too smart > to be caught by mere mortals if -- nudge, nudge; wink, wink -- we are > occasionally guilty of, um, ethical lapses and cronyism. 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