From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #499 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, June 8 2006 Volume 09 : Number 499 In this issue: Teen arrested again, following handgun incident Re: Tories to kill long-gun listing Responses to Stephen Hume's column. Three men charged in series of GTA robberies Border guards won't be armed until late '07 Re: Responses to Stephen Hume's column. Candidate contact - Provincial election NS Police Raid 18 guns surrendered in amnesty's first five days Mutual hatred puts bystanders at risk BRITAIN: two semi-automatic handguns have been seized. Pellet guns draw police attention May 1966 - An explosion in a washroom ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:19:47 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Teen arrested again, following handgun incident http://www.cbc.ca/bc/story/bc_handgun20060607.html Teen arrested again, following handgun incident Last updated Jun 7 2006 02:01 PM PDT CBC News The Williams Lake RCMP have rearrested the 16-year-old boy accused of bringing a loaded handgun onto a school bus in the Cariboo community on Monday. The pistol was fired into the floor of the bus on the way to school that morning. Police said that the youth was able to convince the driver that it had been an accident, and the bus continued to Williams Lake Secondary School. The boy took the gun into the school, which led to a confrontation with vice-principal Jerome Beauchamp, who tackled the youth and seized the gun. The police were called in, and three boys were taken into custody for questioning before being released to their parents. * RELATED STORY: Handgun fired on school bus At first, police believed the 16-year-old suspect was simply showing the gun to friends. But now, the RCMP say the incident was more serious, and the boy is back in custody. Sources have told CBC News the young man had been carrying the loaded gun for several weeks, and is suspected of an armed robbery. So far, no charges have been laid. * INTERVIEW: Daybreak South's Marion Barschel spoke with Williams Lake Mayor Scott Nelson on Tuesday. Click to play ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:33:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Al Muir" Subject: Re: Tories to kill long-gun listing > Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 06:44:19 -0600 (CST) > From: Bob Richards > Subject: Tories to kill long-gun listing > > http://www.torontosun.com/News/Canada/2006/06/08/1620198-sun.html > > > Thu, June 8, 2006 > Tories to kill long-gun listing > House vote on new legislation > > By KATHLEEN HARRIS, OTTAWA BUREAU > > OTTAWA -- Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day plans to table > legislation this month to kill the long-gun registry, and he's confident > a majority of MPs will vote to abolish the program. > > "I would like to have that legislation on the table in front of you this > month, the month of June, and time for parliamentarians to look at it > and time for us to consult with others who may, through any of you, > suggest improvements," Day told the Commons public safety and national > security committee late yesterday. One would think the advisory committee would have been announced and would have met before any legislation was developed. The CPC would not form a rubber stamping committee would they? Al Support 1-3 million unlicenced gun owners ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:58:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Geoffrey Wale" Subject: Responses to Stephen Hume's column. I am puzzled as to why so many gun enthusiasts took the bait thrown out by Stephen Hume in a recent column on gun control. I read Mr. Hume?s commentary and found nothing new. It was a litany of tired old fallacies used by the prohibitionist crowd. I just laughed it off. It seems that there were a great many responses, some quite intemperate, from gun enthusiasts. Mr. Hume then referred to portions of these responses to set up a straw man representing the ?angry old white men? who are purportedly representative of the recreational firearms community in Canada. Mr. Hume will believe what he wants. That is his problem. As for me, I have better things to do. For instance, I am keeping a keen eye on the Conservative government in Ottawa, eager to see it fulfill its promise to abolish the previous Liberal government?s hare-brained gun registry. I realize this may be difficult in a minority parliament, but I remain hopeful. Geoffrey S. Wale B.A., M.L.I.S. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:01:20 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Three men charged in series of GTA robberies http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/toronto/story.html?id=1d73da1b-85ff-46b7-9ee7-5dd7a2a0d092 Three men charged in series of GTA robberies Amy Brown-Bowers, National Post Published: Thursday, June 08, 2006 Three Toronto men face 91 charges in a string of 14 gas bar and convenience store robberies spread out over Toronto, Peel, York, Durham and Barrie over the past month. The arrests are good news for Mohammad Cheema, who was working alone on May 27 when his store, a Hasty Market on Jane Street near Major Mackenzie Road in Vaughan, was targeted. "He have a, you know, gun, pistol, and he told me, 'Give me your f---ing money, and I said, 'OK take it,' " said Mr. Cheema. The man with the gun jumped over the counter and yelled at Mr. Cheema to "open the f---ing cash register," while a second suspect, a male teenager, stood beside the store clerk. "He take all the money out [about $700], even change and then he say, 'Where's your wallet?' I said, 'I don't have a wallet I have just my ID over there.' "They take out the money, they take my phone ... and throw on the floor and he tell the other guy 'Let's go,' " Mr. Cheema said. And they were gone, in less than two minutes. "That's the story. They make me crazy," said the storeowner, whose account matches the 13 other nighttime incidents that took place took place in Toronto, Mississauga, Richmond Hill, Whitby, Vaughan and Barrie between May 14 and June 5. The suspects, armed with a handgun, stole cash and cigarettes and robbed employees of their ID and cell phones. Some victims had cash withdrawn from their bank accounts after being forced to reveal their PIN numbers, Toronto police said. A lengthy investigation, in collaboration with officers from Toronto, Peel, York, Durham and Barrie, led to the arrest of three men as they were leaving a basement apartment in Toronto on Tuesday. Darret Williams, 28, Ayzaz Islam, 20, and a 17-year-old who cannot be named under the provisions of the Youth Criminal Justice Act, have all been charged with several robbery and weapons-related offences. abrownbowers@nationalpost.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:11:48 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Border guards won't be armed until late '07 http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=af8751be-bef3-471a-94aa-b3eb6d22d6ac&k=63172 Border guards won't be armed until late '07 First 150 officers out of 5,000 to take posts with guns next fall James Gordon, CanWest News Service Published: Thursday, June 08, 2006 OTTAWA -- Armed guards won't be deployed to Canada's borders for well over a year, despite renewed security concerns brought on by the arrests last weekend of 17 people for an alleged terrorist bomb plot. The head of the Canada Border Services Agency said Wednesday the first 150 guards will likely take up their posts at the busiest crossings in fall 2007, representing a tiny portion of the 5,000 expected to be armed. Alain Jolicoeur told a House of Commons national security committee it's taking more time to develop complex training and policy regimes than originally anticipated. "At the beginning, when we looked at this issue, naively we thought that a shorter, more simple training period of perhaps a week would be sufficient," he said in French. In the end, the agency settled on a three-week course based on one developed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. Locations for the first set of armed officers will undoubtedly include Canada's busiest crossing at Windsor-Detroit, and the high-traffic Peace Arch port of entry in B.C. The time it will take to get everyone up to speed means there will likely be more embarrassing security lapses at the border, however. Asked about incidents in which unarmed officers fled their posts after being informed that armed and dangerous suspects were heading their way (most recently in February), Jolicoeur admitted: "We've had situations like that and we might have some more of those situations because we will not be able to have completely deployed, armed operation for many years." The timeline comes as politicians and commentators south of the border re-ignite accusations Canada is home to scores of al-Qaida terrorists. Although the political rhetoric in the United States on border security has always been plentiful, the Toronto arrests and fast-approaching mid-term Congressional elections continue to fuel the latest uproar. NDP public safety critic Joe Comartin -- who attended the committee meeting featuring a slew of Canadian security officials including CSIS director Jim Judd and RCMP commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli -- said he didn't think the timeline was too unreasonable. Comartin said there are rumblings it could take seven years to arm all the border officers. Not surprising, he said, considering it took the U.S. 10 years to train all its officers. Still, he said he hoped there was room to speed up the process if the only issue is getting everyone through training. Meanwhile, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day suggested he was sick of the latest round of U.S. complaints about Canadian security. Asked what the government is doing to address American concerns, Day said he was "frustrated" a few misinformed individuals were causing a stir with "unfounded" statements. He pointed out senior U.S. administration officials such as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff have been positive regarding the country's counter-terrorism efforts. © The Vancouver Sun 2006 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:17:46 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Responses to Stephen Hume's column. Geoffrey Wale wrote: > I am puzzled as to why so many gun enthusiasts took the bait thrown out > by Stephen Hume in a recent column on gun control. I read Mr. Hume?s > commentary and found nothing new. It was a litany of tired old fallacies > used by the prohibitionist crowd. I just laughed it off. It seems that > there were a great many responses, some quite intemperate, from gun > enthusiasts. Mr. Hume then referred to portions of these responses to > set up a straw man representing the ?angry old white men? who are > purportedly representative of the recreational firearms community in > Canada. Mr. Hume will believe what he wants. That is his problem. Because Hume is a public figure, and, in some circles I suppose, is well respected. As a gun owner, and a columnist, he at least purports to be a "representative" of all gun owners when he pontificates on gun issues. In any case, we cannot allow *anyone*, gun owner or not, to perpetuate the complete misrepresentations of the facts that Hume was parroting. His assumptions were completely flawed, and his methodology in presenting them was fallacious and, to a large degree, sophomoric. His regurgitation of the "facts" presented on the Alberta Center for Injury Control and Research website on firearms were entirely bogus and anti-gun - most especially the perpetuation of the debunked "Kellermann" study. Such false and damaging statements *must* *not* be allowed to stand unchallenged! It doesn't matter *who* says them. To *not* do so gives tacit approval to the propagation of such lies. While I agree that many of the responses were more than "intemperate", and we should strive to reduce the level of invective used, we must respond to each and every instance of such anti-gun propaganda, wherever it appears. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:02:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Hill" Subject: Candidate contact - Provincial election NS I had two calls from candidates in this area, Percy Paris of the NDP and Gary Hines of the Conservatives. When questioned on the matter of the Firearms Act, he stated that he felt all firearms should be registered. I had not given him any indication as to whether I supported the matter or not as I felt that expressing my views beforehand would skew his answer in the direction he thought I wanted. I asked him why he felt they should be registered and he started with the "I register my car argument" I unloaded on him after that and kept asking what factual basis he had for his arguments. I got bits and pieces of the Kellerman study and quotes from Coalition for Gun Control. I educated him on the Kellerman Crap and the fact it had been debunked so many times that even Kellerman would not stand behind it. The rest was easily taken apart by informing him of the letter from then, Commissioner Murray of the RCMP in which he told Parliament to use the correct statistics provided by the RCMP or cease quoting the RCMP as the source. He attempted the police support argument, obviously unaware of my background. After that he attempted to inform me of his background, good deeds all. I then asked him why he had not mentioned he was the prior owner of the "Blind Tiger" which had been located behind the Downsview Mall and the trafficking in drugs and God knows what else, that went on within the confines of the club. He babbled something about always cooperating with the police, that is, up until I mentioned I was stationed there during that time and could not recall many complaints with his name on them unless it was someone damaging the property in the Club. He suddenly had to deal with something else that needed his attention. Gary Hines stated he has been against the Act since its inception. He agreed with the position the Province took in opting out, thereby forcing the Federal Government to shoulder the responsibility and the costs for anything relating to the Firearms Act. He will continue to fight for the dismantling of the Registry and a return to at least the FAC use. Gary is well aware of who I am as he lives not far away and has mentioned reading my letters on numerous occasions when I happened to cross paths with him. I have heard nothing from the Liberal candidate for this area. Jim Hill Fletchers Lake, NS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:12:37 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Police Raid http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20060608-002/page.asp Police Raid June 8, 2006 Seven people have been arrested following a drug bust in Etobicoke overnight. Police had been watching the suspects since last summer and on Wednesday night made their move, smashing the door of a Lawrence Ave. West home with a battering ram. They arrested five men in their 20s and reportedly seized tens of thousands of dollars in drugs including crystal meth, cocaine and marijuana. Weapons, ammunition and bullet-proof vests were also discovered. A couple was picked up by the cops at a second raid on a Cameron Ave. home. Investigators say an officer narrowly escaped injury when suspects allegedly threw loaded weapons off a balcony as the raids were carried out. One of the people arrested also reportedly had a secret compartment in their vehicle police believe was used to transport drugs and guns. A warrant has been issued for the arrest of one outstanding suspect, 21-year-old Sean Noseworthy. He’s considered armed and dangerous. Anyone with information about Noseworthy’s whereabouts should contact Crime Stoppers at 416-222-TIPS (8477). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:07:46 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: 18 guns surrendered in amnesty's first five days PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun DATE: 2006.06.08 EDITION: Final SECTION: WestCoast News PAGE: B3 COLUMN: Law and Order SOURCE: Surrey Now DATELINE: SURREY WORD COUNT: 48 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 18 guns surrendered in amnesty's first five days - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ SURREY - The RCMP collected 18 guns in the first five days of June's provincewide, month-long gun amnesty program. The provincial government believes there are up to 90,000 unregistered firearms throughout B.C. and hopes many of them will be turned in under the no-questions-asked amnesty. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:53:33 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Mutual hatred puts bystanders at risk PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald DATE: 2006.06.08 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A3 BYLINE: Sarah Chapman SOURCE: Calgary Herald WORD COUNT: 441 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mutual hatred puts bystanders at risk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The hatred that drives two Calgary Asian-based gangs will eventually lead to their demise, said a report released Wednesday by the Criminal Intelligence Service Alberta, which blames the two groups for much of the violence seen on city streets. Naming the gangs for the first time in its annual report, the data collecting bureau said The Fresh off the Boat gang (the FOBs) and the Fresh off the Boat Killers (the FKs) are "fuelled by a genuine hate for each other." It adds that while one of the groups may have been assisted in getting firearms by the Edmonton-based Crazy Dragons, "the two groups will likely continue to deplete their resources until complete dismantlement." But even with the impending demise of two gangs, harm will still come to those caught in the crossfire of the warring groups, said Patrick Webb, spokesman for the southern Alberta RCMP. "If there are crimes involved . . . if it's homicide, if it's assault, those are still criminal acts," Webb said. "The biggest problem we come into is that they don't just hurt each other, they hurt innocent people as well." City streets have been bloodied by six fatal shootings linked to gang violence since the beginning of last year. The most recent shooting death last March claimed the life of known gang member Tan Thanh Diep, 22. It was followed by a retaliation shooting less than 24 hours later. At the time, Calgary police Chief Jack Beaton said Diep's death was part of the ongoing gang war. Another Asian-based organized crime group, which is not named, has connections to virtually every organized crime group in the Calgary area, adds the report. It says that group, using legitimate holdings, is involved with serious crimes ranging from money laundering to loan sharking and methamphetamine trafficking, but the group's kingpins have been shielded from police. "The organization has been targeted a number of times but has not been disrupted as the leaders have insulated themselves well from law enforcement," it reads. Webb said it poses a challenge for investigators, because gang leaders will distance themselves from the crimes to make prosecution difficult. "It's no secret that RCMP or policing in general will always try to work up the system to find the leaders of a particular organized crime," he said. "In this case, and many other cases, the leaders have worked hard to make sure they are not directly involved in these criminal acts." The report speaks about another group, an "Asian familial-based organization" alleged to be involved in marijuana grow operations in Lethbridge residences. Investigations confirm the group has been active in the Calgary area. A spokesman for the Calgary police service said comment on the report would not be available until today. Teresa Woo-Paw, chairwoman of the Asian Heritage Foundation, said some information contained in the report is comforting because it shows law enforcement agencies are keeping tabs on criminals. "It's important that our city and our law enforcement agencies get to the root causes so they can be better at preventing people from getting into these kinds of criminal groups," she said. schapman@theherald.canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:53:52 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: BRITAIN: two semi-automatic handguns have been seized. PUBLICATION: The Daily Telegraph DATE: 2006.06.08 PAGE: 009 SECTION: News BYLINE: John Steele Crime Correspondent WORD COUNT: 125 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Police seize 'drug gang leaders' in dawn raids - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A COALITION of three crime gangs -one South American and two British - has been broken by a police operation, which detectives believe has disrupted a cocaine and heroin network that brought pounds 60 million worth of drugs into Britain. More than 100 officers arrested the suspected ringleaders of the three gangs in a series of dawn raids yesterday at 19 addresses across London and Kent. Police seized 513lb of cocaine and 110lb of heroin, as well as amphetamine sulphate and cannabis. More than pounds 230,000 in cash and two semi-automatic handguns have been seized. The arrests were the culmination of a two-year investigation led by Scotland Yard. A total of 25 people linked to the networks have already been convicted and sentenced, and a further 16 are awaiting trial. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:54:08 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Pellet guns draw police attention PUBLICATION: The Windsor Star DATE: 2006.06.08 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A3 SOURCE: Windsor Star ILLUSTRATION: Photo: Dan Janisse, Star photo / PACKING UP: Windsor policeEmergency Services Unit members pack up Wednesday after checking out a residence in the 1200 block of Riverside Drive East. The officers were investigating a possible shooting incident at the residence. WORD COUNT: 119 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pellet guns draw police attention - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Windsor police shut down a stretch of Riverside Drive Wednesday afternoon as they investigated a report of a man firing shots from a home. A pedestrian was walking past a home in the 1200 block of Riverside Drive East when he heard three shots coming from a home and looked up to see a man ducking down. The pedestrian continued walking to the area of 400 Wyandotte Street East and called 911 from a payphone. Police responded with the Emergency Services Unit and shut down Riverside Drive between Hall and Moy avenue around 2:45 p.m. They also blocked off the other side streets near the home situated next to Danny's Tavern. Officers contacted a female in an apartment of the home and eventually gained entry. "We found two replica pellet guns inside," said Sgt. Jamie Siddle. One of the guns is very realistic looking, similar to the rifles used by tactical officers. The guns were seized but the owner has not been located. The area was reopened just before 4 p.m. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:50:38 -0600 (CST) From: Bill Subject: May 1966 - An explosion in a washroom From V9 #498 "May 1966 - An explosion in a washroom outside the Commons public gallery kills drifter Paul Chartier. The bomb he intended to throw into the Chamber exploded in his hands prematurely." The scuttlebutt at the time in the Blasting industry, was he bought some explosive at the Barry's Bay Hardware store, on the way to Ottawa, and told the wife of the owner that he needed to blast a stump.. He asked her for some instructions, and she told him her husband usually looked after the explosive but she would help him if she could.. Apparently he asked her how long it took for fuse to burn, and she mistakenly told him 3 minutes a foot (it's actually 3 feet a minute) she must have also told him how to light the fuse, because you just can't light safety fuse with a match.. It was said at the time that he went into the washroom, cut the fuse/cap combo down to a foot long figuring he had 3 minutes, the lit it and blew himself up outside the washroom door.. God only knows what would have happened if the wife of the hardware store owner actually knew what she was taking about.. Her 'mistake' saved a lot of lives that day... It's also probably why you can't just wander into a rural farm supply and buy a small quantity of explosives and a fuse any more..:=) Bill... ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #499 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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