From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #530 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, June 18 2006 Volume 09 : Number 530 In this issue: Your Local "MP's Report" Re: Critique My Letter to CPC MPs Re: HE LAST SENTENCE IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE RESULT FOR ME. Police Search For Suspects In Two Weekend Shootings Tories confident long-gun legislation will pass Man shot four times in northern GTA kids water guns and cops Gun Control System Targeted in Canada Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #529 Re-critique my letter to CPC MP Re: HE LAST SENTENCE IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE RESULT FOR ME. MPs examine civil servant's role in gun registry June 8 2006 Re: Gun Registry Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #529 Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #529 Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #528 My letter to the Toronto Sun ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:41:58 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Your Local "MP's Report" There have been a couple of CPC "MP's Reports" that have appeared in their respective local newspapers, one by Ken Epp and another by Jim Abbot. I would like everyone who has a CPC MP to take a look in their local newspaper to see if your MP has published such a report. Chances are this will appear in your mailbox as part of their quarterly mail-out, too. Please post the name of your MP and which paper the report appeared in, and a link to the article if you can get one. I am particularly interested in statments about "licensing" and "scrapping the long gun registry". I would also be interested in hearing what opposition MPs have to say about the firearms registry too, particularly the Bloc Quebecois. Thanks in advance, Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:54:15 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Critique My Letter to CPC MPs This says it better than I could have ...ever....dont change a thing its honesty is refreshing and Day should appreciate that........ ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:16:01 -0600 (CST) From: wrpa Subject: Re: HE LAST SENTENCE IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE RESULT FOR ME. >wrpa wrote: >> You seem to forget that before the Liberals put in place C-68 the >> Conservatives put in place C-17. > >Not this old canard again! When will people get it through their thick >heads that this was done by the old Kim Campbell "Red Tory" Progressive >Conservative Party? You remember, Joe Who and his gang, who held up any >hope of real Conservatives forming a government for over a decade? Joe >Who and his gang, who steadfastly refused to join with the Reform, and >then the Alliance Party? Joe Who and his gang, who went to court to try >and get the CPC to stop using "Conservative" in their name? Joe Who and >his gang, who run as "Progressive Canadians", using similar colours and >designs as the CPC, trying to confuse voters? > >The old "Red Tories" have nothing and want nothing to do with the >current Conservative Party of Canada. Stop trying to tar the CPC with >this "Red Tory" brush. Actions speak louder than words. As the new conservatives came closer to power the commitment to the firearms community kept shrinking. Now all they want to do is scrap the long gun registry and make licensing a little less offensive (according to statements so far). Harper is no dummy. He needs those Red Tory votes if he is going to win a majority. The firearm community will just have to compromise. I hope I am wrong, but I doubt it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:36:49 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Police Search For Suspects In Two Weekend Shootings http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_1295.aspx Police Search For Suspects In Two Weekend Shootings Sunday June 18, 2006 Toronto Police are trying to track down a white van in connection to a drive-by shooting that seriously injured a 13-year-old boy in the west end. The young victim and seven of his friends apparently walked into a hospital around 10pm Saturday night. Shortly after, police sealed off a portion of Eglinton Flats Park, near Jane and Eglinton. The boy suffered serious injuries, but he's expected to make a full recovery. And investigators continue to search for a suspect in another weekend shooting that injured a teen. A 17-year-old was shot in the stomach at a party on Garnett Janes Road, near Lake Shore West and Ninth Street (pictured) around 1am Saturday. He's still in hospital, but is expected to be okay. There's no word yet on a motive, but police think they know who they're looking for. The suspect is described as: * Male, black * 18 to 24-years-old * About 5'10" * Bushy afro, slight facial hair and chubby cheeks Police say he was wearing all black clothing and a black ball cap. If you have any information that could help investigators, call Crime Stoppers at (416) 222-TIPS. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:43:37 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Tories confident long-gun legislation will pass http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060618/gun_registry_060618/20060618?hub=TopStories Tories confident long-gun legislation will pass Updated Sun. Jun. 18 2006 12:43 PM ET CTV.ca News Staff The Conservative justice minister believes Tory legislation to abolish the long gun registry -- set to be introduced as early as Monday -- will pass when it is voted on in the fall, though it may come down to a margin of just a few votes. MPs won't be able to vote on the bill until the fall, when the House of Commons resumes from its summer break. "We need about 30 to 35 votes and I think we can piece together a working majority to get that legislation through," Justice Minister Vic Toews told CTV's Question Period on Sunday. "There has certainly been a consistent number of Liberals voting in favour of that legislation. Of course many of the New Democrats from Western Canada will be voting for that legislation, and there may even be a few Bloc members who will be voting in favour of the legislation to get rid of the long gun registry." Toews said the legislation is being introduced now, months ahead of a voting opportunity, so that MPs and interested groups will have the chance to study the legislation and mull it over this summer. But some observers say the move is purely symbolic, allowing Tory MPs to tell their constituents progress is being made towards abolishing it. Toews, however, maintains the contentious long-gun registry is a top concern for many Canadians, and the government aims to get rid of it. "I think people understand it has been an incredible waste of money, that it hasn't helped police forces and that some of our other legislation dealing with mandatory minimum prison sentences for the criminal use of firearms (will accomplish a lot more.)" "The long-gun registry is by far and away the biggest issue in many ridings in Western Canada," Toews said. However, he wouldn't say whether the Conservative government would be willing to fight an election over the issue. "We know that it is important to a lot of our constituents. What our constituents want us to do is make an honest attempt to repeal that legislation." Other experts have suggested the timing could be intended as an insurance policy that will help to persuade voters the government is doing all it can to eliminate the registry, even if unforeseen events force an election before the legislation goes through. The Tories pledged to abolish the program during the election campaign. The controversial registry was supposed to cost $2 million a year when it was first introduced by the Liberals, but ended up costing almost $1 billion over its first 10 years of operation. Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, whose department was responsible for drafting the bill, has already announced a number of adjustments to the program. The changes effectively take the teeth out of the registry and free rifle and shotgun owner from complying with the rules over the next year. The goal of the legislation will be to amend the Criminal Code and Firearms Act to get rid of the long-gun program while retaining most of the rest of the country's gun control policies. The handgun registry, for example, will be kept. And the Tories have promised to maintain bans on automatic and assault weapons, and to maintain firearms safety and training programs. Earlier in June Day indicated he hoped to have a bill in the House before the summer break. He told a Commons committee his goal was to allow "time for parliamentarians to look at it and time for us to consult with others who may, through any of you, suggest improvements,'' according to The Canadian Press. The bill has since been approved by cabinet and by Prime Minister Stephen Harper. It was placed on the Commons order paper Friday. It can be introduced as early as Monday, though there's a chance it could be held over until Tuesday. Some have questioned Day and Toews' assertion that they can get enough votes to push the bill through. The Liberals are divided along urban-rural lines, but a number of MPs are expected to vote in favour of keeping the registry. The NDP, which was once divided almost down the middle over the registry, now seems to be leaning towards keeping it. The Bloc Quebecois' justice critic Real Menard has suggested that his party remains committed to the registry principle despite concerns about its high cost. Some Conservatives have acknowledged it could be tough to win a vote on the bill this fall, but said their constituents are satisfied with the effort. "People are pretty happy that we've done as much as we have,'' Alberta MP Bob Mills told CP. "They tend to understand, in a minority (government), some of the difficulties of trying to do everything that you want to do.'' With files from The Canadian Press ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:44:18 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Man shot four times in northern GTA http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&pubid=968163964505&cid=1150630258346&col=968705899037&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News Man shot four times in northern GTA MEGHAN HURLEY STAFF REPORTER Jun. 18, 2006. 04:16 PM A man in his early twenties was shot three times in the right arm and once in the upper chest Sunday near Sheppard Ave. E. and Neilson Rd., Toronto police said. The victim was brought to Sunnybrook hospital and his condition is not known at this time. Police were called to Lapsley Rd. just after 3 p.m. and blocked off entrances to the plaza where the shooting took place. The license plate numbers of all cars in the plaza parking lot were taken down and none were allowed to leave. The shooting happened shortly after the Toronto Argos kicked off their Stop the Violence Walk at Nathan Phillips Square. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:31:23 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: kids water guns and cops Supt. Ron Taverner wants to leave a lasting impression on kids by having them turn in the water guns and plastic guns for other toys. Once a year, my martial arts school holds a summer picnic. We have burgs, tube steaks... this is for adults and children. we bring weater balloons, we havew the biggest water guns you have ever seen. from when the water fiught starts, there are nothing but smiles on the faces of adults and children . The squeal with delight as they soak their favourite black belt. water filled balloons sail through the air finding their marks, followed by a loud scream as the ice cold water bursts forth from the balloons that sat in the frisdge all day. I dont know what this copper is trying to do, but gubnd, be they plastic or water are not illegal, do not commit crimes, and if a child wishes to have a good time with them, who is he to try and manipulate the children to turn them over. The usual if we can save but one life mantra of the anti civil rights crowd seems to ring true here. A kid with a water gun is just a kid with a water gun, and the likely hood of him turning i9nto a cold eyed gun toting killer are virtually nil. There is a greater chance that on the other hand, we may run into a bad cop. children dont know deceipt the way adults do, and Supt. Ron Taverner is using his position as a means to achiev an ends with children. Shame on him, and on the separtment that allows this sort of brainwashing to go on. Shame too on the parents that let this happen. Children with water guns or cap guns do not turn into terrorists., nor do they turn into bank robbers or cowboys or indians. Children are just that children... and they play. it would appear that Supt. Ron Taverner doenst want any choldren to have any fun. The children are fine Supt taverner, now swan off and put those street gang members behind bars... I forgot..they got real guns dont they! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:32:29 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Gun Control System Targeted in Canada Los Angeles Times Gun Control System Targeted in Canada The prime minister plans to drop the firearms registry and focus on fighting crime. By Maggie Farley, Times Staff Writer - June 18, 2006 http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-guns18jun18,1,7907209.story?coll=la-headlines-world&ctrack=1&cset=true ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:02:04 -0600 (CST) From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #529 Howard wrote, "- They need to see that they are going to lose our vote, as a specific result of not keeping their promise to replace bill C68 with good legislation." Only thing is, if we don't vote CPC, who *will* we vote for? All the other parties hate our guts and want to eradicate us from the Canadian cultural scene. At least the CPC is doing *something* positive, albeit an itty, bitty baby step in the right direction. I agree we must remind the CPC of the terms of the social contract we formed when we got on side with them, but we must do it gently and positively. Remember it was incrementalism that lost us ground to this point and it may well require incrementalism to restore what was taken from us. Of course if the CPC screws us like so many other governments that went before, then the only recourse left to us is civil disobedience. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association President, Guysborough County Horse and Pony Association Member All For Horses Association, Nova Scotia Equestrian Federation Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:03:02 -0600 (CST) From: "R & M Wakefield" Subject: Re-critique my letter to CPC MP Run with it Bruce. It appears you have touched all bases. Rob W. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:03:47 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: HE LAST SENTENCE IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE RESULT FOR ME. On 2006 Jun 18, at 3:16 PM, wrpa wrote: > > Now all they want to do is scrap the long gun registry and make > licensing a little less offensive (according to statements so far). > Harper is no dummy. He needs those Red Tory votes if he is going > to win a majority. The firearm community will just have to compromise. I truly hope that *this* time we finally learn that we cannot compromise. When the leadership of the RFC strongly advised against it, we compromised in 1977 and accepted the FAC. When the leadership of the RFC strongly advised against it, we compromise in 1991 and accepted Madam Campbell's privacy destroying, safety training, de facto license. We worked our buns off to help elect these guys. This is NOT the time to compromise. Less offensive or not, a CPC endorsed license still destroys our Right of Self-protection. Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:04:42 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Hill" Subject: MPs examine civil servant's role in gun registry June 8 2006 Sent to CTV online Jim Hill Fletchers Lake, NS The following statement was contained in a Canadian Press report contained in a CTV online report dated June 8, 2006 "Bloodworth, however, insisted she was guided by accounting and legal criteria and never came under political pressure." So what kind of accounting and legal criteria would she use to justify a decision to remain silent on this matter, considering the first scathing report of the Auditor General on the firearms registry keyed in on the very fact that costs were being deliberately hidden from Parliament. It has been indicated that former Minister McLellan had been notified and it is apparent that she failed to notify Parliament and now a CTV report is indicating that senior bureaucrats decided to move (read HIDE ) the 21.8 million dollars in the next fiscal year. Unfortunately for them the liberals were not to be in charge of the next fiscal year and they were found out. If the TRUTH had come out before the election, a public growing weary of deceit and scandal may have reduced Liberal seats to single digits. Jim Hill Fletchers Lake, NS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:26:26 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: Gun Registry On 2006 Jun 17, at 9:55 PM, Yvon Dionne wrote: > > To know what is effective now, see =ABImportant Changes to the = Canadian > Firearms Program=BB at=20 > http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/notice-avis/default_e.asp > > (this) is only the tip of the iceberg of government firearms=20 > prohibition. Amnesty Q1. Why is there an amnesty? A1. The Government has announced its intention to simplify licence=20 requirements for firearm owners ... . Q3. Why do I still need a licence to possess non-restricted rifles and=20= shotguns if the Government is planning to abolish the long-gun=20 registry? A3. The licensing of firearm owners and users remains a very important=20= component of the Government=92s program to control the criminal or = unsafe=20 use of firearms ... . Garry Breitkreuz,thou shouldst be active at this hour:=09 Canada hath need of thee: she is a fen=09 Of stagnant waters: altar, sword, and pen,=09 Fireside, the heroic wealth of hall and bower,=09 Have forfeited their ancient Canadian Conservative dower Of inward happiness. We are selfish men;=09 O raise us up, return to us again,=09 And give us manners, virtue, freedom, power!=09 Thy soul was like a Star, and dwelt apart;=09 Thou hadst a voice whose sound was like the sea:=09 Pure as the naked heavens, majestic, free,=09 So didst thou travel on life's common way,=09 In cheerful godliness; and yet thy heart=09 The lowliest duties on herself did lay. Grossly plagiarized from William Wordsworth http://www.bartleby.com/101/524.html Eduardo= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:32:59 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #529 M.J. Ackermann, MD wrote: > Only thing is, if we don't vote CPC, who *will* we vote for? All the > other parties hate our guts and want to eradicate us from the Canadian > cultural scene. At least the CPC is doing *something* positive, albeit > an itty, bitty baby step in the right direction. We don't actually *have* to vote for anyone - all we have to do is *not* vote for, volunteer for, or donate to the CPC... > I agree we must remind the CPC of the terms of the social contract we > formed when we got on side with them, but we must do it gently and > positively. Remember it was incrementalism that lost us ground to this > point and it may well require incrementalism to restore what was taken > from us. > > Of course if the CPC screws us like so many other governments that went > before, then the only recourse left to us is civil disobedience. I don't see much point in "compromising" anymore. I know that I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I did. They know what we want. We know that they know what we want. We must demand that they give it to us, after all the hard work we've done for them. No Quid without the Pro Quo. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:08:13 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #529 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Mills" > M.J. Ackermann, MD wrote: > > > Only thing is, if we don't vote CPC, who *will* we vote for? All the > > other parties hate our guts and want to eradicate us from the Canadian > > cultural scene. At least the CPC is doing *something* positive, albeit > > an itty, bitty baby step in the right direction. > > We don't actually *have* to vote for anyone - all we have to do is *not* > vote for, volunteer for, or donate to the CPC... > > > I agree we must remind the CPC of the terms of the social contract we > > formed when we got on side with them, but we must do it gently and > > positively. Remember it was incrementalism that lost us ground to this > > point and it may well require incrementalism to restore what was taken > > from us. > > > > Of course if the CPC screws us like so many other governments that went > > before, then the only recourse left to us is civil disobedience. > > I don't see much point in "compromising" anymore. I know that I > couldn't look myself in the mirror if I did. > > They know what we want. We know that they know what we want. We must > demand that they give it to us, after all the hard work we've done for them. > > No Quid without the Pro Quo. I agree with Bruce on this point. It is important to note that on the issue of firearms legislation the Liberals did what they said they were going to do. In essence they stabbed us in the front. It looks like the Tories might be playing word games and not do what they said they would do, which is to completely rework the firearms act. That is essence amounts to stabbing us in the back. This is not something easily forgotten. __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumpsit Contract - All Rights Reserved - Without Prejudice ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:41:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Hugh Evers" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #528 > The Firearms Act must be scrapped in its entirety! > > We will accept nothing less than this from the Conservative Party of Canada. > > Our continued support is not unconditional. If action is not taken, we > can, and will, withhold our votes, our donations, and our time > volunteered in the next election. > > ------------------------------ Looks real good to me! You own your Property or You are the Property.... Hugh Evers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:38:29 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Toronto Sun Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: KIDS TAKE AIM AT GUNS Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:23:11 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: Editor - Toronto Sun Janelle Tyme-Virtue seems wise beyond her 11 years, with such statements as "We're trying to get rid of the violence" and "When (some kids) grow up they might start playing with real guns and might get into trouble that way." But I doubt very much that turning in toy guns is the answer. In fact, this feel-good cop photo op might actually have the opposite effect. A study in Scotland showed that playing with toy guns was actually beneficial for young boys, acting as a release for aggressive feelings while in a safe and structured environment. A US Department of Justice study of 4,000 at-risk delinquent kids showed that children who receive *real* guns legitimately from their parents engage in *no* future gun crimes at all, and are less likely to engage in any type of criminal activity than even those kids who received no gun at all! Treating guns as evil objects that must be turned in only serves to "mystify" them even more, and imbue them with an almost irresistible aura. The only way to get kids to respect guns is to provide them with education and age-appropriate firearms safety training. After all, if it saves only one life, it will be worth it. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #530 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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