From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #562 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, June 25 2006 Volume 09 : Number 562 In this issue: Looking for a direct link to Wendy Re: Defeatism Letter to the Editor - kudos Re: Defeatism Re: Defeatism Re: Bid to end long-gun registry applauded Re: Another summer of the gun.... Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #561 Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #561 Owning firearms Fw: Stupid bail conditions 'Bodies' push to keep gun registry Alpers leads anti-gun team to New York conference Brass Rail bouncer shot in scuffle Killing spurs fear A Week of near killings Kids caught in crossfire Re: 'Bodies' push to keep gun registry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:57:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Frank Cochrane" Subject: Looking for a direct link to Wendy You can request a full set of financials so it says on page 51 also. That should have a better breakdown of where large lump sums were dispersed if there are any. It was hard to stomach reading the annual report and all its touchy feely, lets sit down and praise Wendy crap in it. Frank Cochrane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:47:04 -0600 (CST) From: wrpa Subject: Re: Defeatism >Rudy wrote: > >"this is a changing world we live in"...therefore fighting for your >rights is futile > >"...in Canada we do not have an opposition that is as right thinking as >the Republicans"...therefore fighting for your rights is futile > >"There are also NO provincial governments that are supportive of your >position"...therefore fighting for your rights is futile The "rights" you claim do not exist in Canadian society. Don't go blaming me for undermining rights you do not have. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:47:39 -0600 (CST) From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Letter to the Editor - kudos Thank you to Ms. Laura Lavin for relating her positive experience as a novice shooter at the North Saanich Rod and Gun Club. Firearm owners in Canada believe in mentored hands-on experience as the way to understanding and safe use of any potentially dangerous tool, including guns. Ms. Lavin has seen the tiniest tip of the iceberg when it comes to the true Canadian gun culture that holds safety, responsibility, respect, and camaraderie as its core values. If she were to contact the gun club executive, I am sure they would be thrilled to introduce Ms. Lavin to the rich and diverse world of the shooting sports. I wish her many happy days at the range! - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association President, Guysborough County Horse and Pony Association Member All For Horses Association, Nova Scotia Equestrian Federation Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". > ttp://www.goldstreamgazette.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=12&cat=43&id=675269&more= > > Glock, stock and barrel > Novice given expert instruction on handling police weapons > > By Laura Lavin > Peninsula News Review > Jun 23 2006 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:50:23 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Defeatism wrpa wrote: > The "rights" you claim do not exist in Canadian society. Don't go > blaming me for undermining rights you do not have. Yet more defeatism - QED. Once again, you completely misunderstand the point; if you can't comprehend what's going on, you shouldn't involve yourself in the discussion. You only make yourself look foolish. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:30:22 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Defeatism - ----- Original Message ----- From: "wrpa" >>Rudy wrote: >> >>"this is a changing world we live in"...therefore fighting for your >>rights is futile >> >>"...in Canada we do not have an opposition that is as right thinking as >>the Republicans"...therefore fighting for your rights is futile >> >>"There are also NO provincial governments that are supportive of your >>position"...therefore fighting for your rights is futile > > The "rights" you claim do not exist in Canadian society. Don't go > blaming me for undermining rights you do not have. The rights we have?, primarily self-defense we are born with ..every living creature has the right to life and to defend itself from harm..from the lowliest bacteria and virus to any sentient being. Life IS and will continue to BE~!!!!!! Its nature or GOD or whatever reason you want to give it. The right to life usurps all other rights and the right to defend that life usurps all other rights ,for without this right we are absolutely nothing (and we have NO other rights)............ less than a bacterium. The right to own legally purchased property for self-defense against harm is a right we are born with....just because its guns doesnt mean to say its wrong or needs to be licenced or controlled. All those who favour licencing should get their licences ..no problem......but leave the rest of us to own guns without any interference whatsoever . The problem today is that the masses have been brainwashed to accept licencing as if it were the norm? ...well it ISNT.. the norm is to be free and do what you will but harm no-one in the process. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:42:03 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: Bid to end long-gun registry applauded At 08:56 PM 6/24/2006 -0600, you wrote: > > >http://www.fortmcmurraytoday.com/story.php?id=3D238166 > >Bid to end long-gun registry applauded > >By GLENN KAUTH >Today staff >Friday June 23, 2006 > >Fort McMurray Today =97 The federal government=92s move to end the >controversial gun registry is bringing cheers from local gun enthusiasts. > >=93Excellent,=94 Clint Brydges said at the Fort McMurray shooting range >Thursday. =93It=92s the old story. Responsible gun owners aren=92t the ones >who commit crimes.=94 > >Earlier this week, the federal government announced a law to scrap the >registry first enacted in 1995 by the former Liberal government. People >will still have to hold a licence to own a gun but will no longer have >to register each one. > >=93We believe in licensing the person, not the gun,=94 said David Todd, the >president of the Fort McMurray Fish and Game Association. Gun owners, he >said, have long viewed the registry as expensive and ineffective. Mr. Todd should read sections 91 and 92 of the criminal code of Canada. These are the sections that prohibit the possession of firearms. He should then take a look at the sections of the firearms act that allow a Minster of Justice or Public Safety to set the rules to get a friearms license, to set the fees for the license, and he should realize that the Minister of Justice and Public Safety can revoke any and ALL firearms licenses in Canada on a whim. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:45:17 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: Another summer of the gun.... At 05:58 AM 6/25/2006 -0600, you wrote: > > >http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/Commentary/2006/06/24/1651717.html "Summer of the gun"? If you took this article and replaced the word "Gun" with "Gang" it would reflect reality. Otherwise it is just another piece of yellow journalism blaming inanimate objects for the actions of human criminals. The guns are not causing these kilings, they are just one of the tools available to those who are willing to threaten, intimidate, injure, and kill other humans. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:00:26 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher di Armani Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #561 As has mine... At 05:34 AM 6/25/2006, you wrote: >This steaming pile seems to be making the rounds, doesn't it? >My standard rebuttal sent. > > >http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1151099410704&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795 > >Is Harper trading guns for votes? Yours in Liberty, Christopher di Armani christopher@diArmani.com Licensing Gun Owners has done NOTHING to make Canada safer. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:28:01 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #561 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher di Armani" > As has mine... > > At 05:34 AM 6/25/2006, you wrote: >>This steaming pile seems to be making the rounds, doesn't it? >>My standard rebuttal sent. WHAT CAN WE EXPECT FROM A COMMUNIST DRIVEN AGENDA OF THE TORONTO STAR , HAMILTON SPECTATOR AND BRABANT NEWSPAPERS? We need to support the National Post ,and the Toronto Sun, who seem to be more CPC oriented than any other newspapers that I know of here in the east. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:37:17 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim S." Subject: Owning firearms Ed - > Well I for one would rather own illegal firerms than be licenced ? after > all think about it ? whats the point really? This is the fallback position for those who believe in guns for self defense. As a friend is fond of saying: "The only guns that you can call your own are the ones that the government doesn't know about." This is the aspect that the Liberals - and the CPC do not understand about a large percentage of firearms owners. And, as Ed so succinctly points out: The criminals DON'T CARE. Those who own guns for self defense will not let a little thing like the law stop their owning guns, either. > Handguns will be prohibited completely;this is the true Liberal > agenda(Martin)and next will be long-guns. And this is why I support those who fight against these stupid laws. As someone said: I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. > When they do ?it wont take them long to sort out who owns what. Again - they will only know where the "registered" guns are. What they will not know is where the rest of the guns are - nor who has them. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:28:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Hill" Subject: Fw: Stupid bail conditions To the London Free Press today Jim Hill Fletchers Lake, NS - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hill" To: "The Editor London Free Press" Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Stupid bail conditions > To the editor, > > The following excerpt taken from the CTV website Sunday 25 June 2006 is > cause for people to question the sanity of some persons sitting behind the > benches of our courtrooms, this dealt with bail provisions for four Hell's > Angels on assault charges resulting from an altercation Friday > night.Quote: "Following a Saturday afternoon court appearance, a London, > Ont. judge and released on bail. They were told to not associate with each > other or other Hells Angels." > > If the judge believes, for one second, that these provisions will be > followed, he/she is deluding themselves. It is more likely that these > individuals walked out of court together and immediately made their way > back to the gathering, secure in the knowledge that police would not > attempt to enforce an order so stupid, as this could result in injury or > death of police officers. > > Jim Hill, (RCMP,ret.) > Fletchers Lake, NS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:12:05 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: 'Bodies' push to keep gun registry http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2006/06/25/1652175-sun.html 'Bodies' push to keep gun registry Youth organization wants regulations retained By SHARON HO, TORONTO SUN The outlines of bodies on the pavement of Queen St. W. made passersby stop and look yesterday. Four "crime scenes" from John St. to Yonge St. were set up by International Action Network on Small Arms Youth Network to raise awareness of gun violence in the world. "It's a reminder that it could happen to any of us at any time," said Christian Pearce, spokesman for IANSA Youth. Pearce is the author of a book on gun culture and violence that will be published in January. Yesterday's event was timed to coincide with the United Nations Small Arms Review conference, which will focus on the issue of illegal guns. "Illegal guns are involved in a majority of gun violence you see," Pearce said. IANSA Youth said half the illegal handguns come from the U.S., and about 800 people are killed in Canada with guns each year, including suicides and accidents. COULD BE LIKE U.S. The prospect of Canada becoming as violent as the U.S. worries Pearce. "We don't want Canada slipping into the situation where their cities deal with 10 times the number of gun deaths, and the public accepts that as par for the course," he said. The group handed out postcards addressed to Prime Minister Stephen Harper asking him to keep the long gun registry. In 2005, 52 of Toronto's 78 murders involved guns. George Barkley said he was concerned about gun violence. "There has to be some way of checking the influx of guns," the retired teacher said. "But getting rid of the guns is half the problem. We need to do something with the kids who need something to do." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:12:40 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Alpers leads anti-gun team to New York conference Alpers leads anti-gun team to New York conference Monday June 26, 2006 By Simon O'Rourke Aucklander Phil Alpers will lead a New Zealand delegation in New York this week to "strongly support" an arms trade treaty being discussed at a United Nations conference. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10388315 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:12:41 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Brass Rail bouncer shot in scuffle http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2006/06/25/1652172-sun.html Brass Rail bouncer shot in scuffle By MICHELE HENRY Sun, June 25, 2006 Patrons returned to the Brass Rail yesterday, hours after a bouncer at the Yonge St. strip club was shot. "I'm from New York," said one man, who refused to give his name. "So it doesn't bother me. I see it every day." The bouncer was shot at about 2:15 a.m. yesterday after he tried to remove a number of problem patrons from the club, which advertises its exotic dancers on larger-than-life-sized pictures above its entrance. During a scuffle, police said, one man turned and shot the bouncer in the chest. He and two others were seen fleeing in a black Mercedes. The bouncer is recovering in hospital from non-life threatening injuries. It was business as usual inside the dimly lit club yesterday afternoon as women danced and men ogled. Brass Rail officials refused to comment. Vern Carter and friend Harvey Corba, who were walking by, said they'd think twice about setting foot in a strip club where bouncers can't control the crowd. "I probably wouldn't go for a while," Carter said. "Until things quieted down." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:12:55 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Killing spurs fear http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2006/06/25/1652171-sun.html Killing spurs fear Malvern neighbours on pins and needles after man gunned down in his home By MICHELE HENRY, TORONTO SUN Sun, June 25, 2006 Before quietly creeping away, neighbours and friends of Michael Laidley peeked through fences yesterday at a house where the Scarborough man was fatally shot. People stopped within several metres of the home where the 22-year-old was gunned down Friday, peering at two police cars parked in the driveway and refusing to discuss the killing. "We can't talk about it right now," said a man, staring despondently at the attached Malvern house where the high school student was gunned down. "We're in a different zone." Laidley, an avid basketball player who spent time shooting hoops with kids at a local community centre, was shot in the chest around 12:45 p.m. Friends found his lifeless body at the bottom of a staircase in the home he shared with his mother and brother. Just beyond Laidley's quiet dead-end street, a woman hovered yesterday beside a fence dividing the road from a grassy walkway. "I don't want anybody to kill me," the glassy-eyed woman said, admitting she was scared to approach police with information for fear of becoming the next target. Speaking quickly and in hushed tones, she said she spotted who she thought was a suspect nearly 12 hours after the incident. She said she witnessed a man dressed in black and ridng a bicycle enter a garage near Laidley's home, adding she'd seen Laidley ring the doorbell at that very dwelling two weeks earlier. "I was saying to my husband, that guy fit the description," she said, noting she was scared by the tide of gang activity in her neighbourhood. "I don't know where they came from all of a sudden ... and that get me scared." A woman who lives immediately beside Laidley's home paced the length of her driveway weeping openly. Another neighbour, who lives across the street, said she's "terribly scared" to live in the area, and fears for the safety of her 10-year-old son. "It sure is nice to have the cops here all night," she said. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:14:08 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: A Week of near killings http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2006/06/25/1652176-sun.html A Week of near killings By IAN ROBERTSON Sun, June 25, 2006 There were six non-fatal shootings in Toronto last weekend, then silence - -- and renewed tension: 1. Because of a new toy, a 4-year-old out for his regular McDonald's visit delayed his normal rush to the door last Monday, seconds before a 15-to 16-year-old youth was shot outside the Pape and Cosburn Aves. eatery. Before police arrived, the wounded youth hobbled off despite offers of help from the boy's mom and workers. 2. A purported drug gang turf shootout the same day sent Mount Olive Dr.-Kipling Ave. area residents scurrying for cover. Only a parked schoolbus was hit and a tip led police to a home, where a 20-year-old man was arrested and a Sterling 9-mm submachine-gun was seized. 3. That Sunday, a 16-year-old boy known to police was shot and wounded at 3:15 p.m. in the Sheppard Ave. E.-Nielson Rd. area. 4. A shooter opened fire from a van at 9:55 p.m. Saturday, hitting a 13-year-old boy in the wrist and abdomen while he was with pals in Emmett Park at Eglinton Ave. and Jane St. 5. Around 1:30 a.m. the same day, a 17-year-old was shot twice in his chest outside a Kipling Ave.-Lake Shore Blvd. W. area building. 6. Three men were arrested a day earlier and a .22-calibre handgun was seized, after Ryerson University security guards reported someone fire five shots into the air around Gould and Victoria Sts. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:14:57 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Kids caught in crossfire http://torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2006/06/25/1652174-sun.html Kids caught in crossfire Both the shooters and the victims are getting younger, police say By IAN ROBERTSON, TORONTO SUN Sun, June 25, 2006 Shooters and victims are getting younger, top cops say. "We're getting children shooting children," Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair said after six gun incidents last weekend, including two boys wounded, aged 13 and 14. Earlier, on June 12, a 14-year-old girl was charged with taking a loaded "Dirty Harry" revolver to a school. Despite increased seizures and the breakup since 2003 of three major gangs, Det.-Sgt. Doug Quan said the love for guns and violence continues. Cases of 13- and 14-year-olds "both using guns and being targeted ... is North America-wide," the head of the Gun & Gang Task Force said in an interview. While Quan blames "peer pressure, pop culture and gang influence," the styles of violence which left 30 people dead in Toronto since Jan. 1, or two more than in the same period last year, "has changed little." Police say the steady toll and threat is slowly changing public perception and reaction, with more tips and arrests plus increased gun seizures and surrenders. Toronto had 233 shootings in 2005, including 52 of the 78 murders. Of this year's 30 killings, 12 involved guns. A stabbed 5-month-old was the youngest victim, a 79-year-old beating victim was the oldest. But 10 of the shooting victims were aged 18 to 22, the oldest 31. Semi-automatic 9 mm, .40-calibre and .45-calibre pistols are preferred by thugs, turf defenders and bravado boys, Quan said. By June 6, the force had collected 256 handguns, compared to 220 by the same time in 2005. In addition to talking with public groups about guns, his team's firearms workload has grown. By June 6, Toronto cops had seized 1,131 firearms, compared with 1,032 by the same time in 2005. The 10% jump includes illegal guns seized, but Quan said more unwanted shotguns, rifles and handguns have been turned in by owners of legal guns, plus families of dead owners. His task force has 30 gun and gang enforcement officers -- including three Mounties -- plus six firearms testers and investigators. Six OPP officers arrive by fall. Public awareness programs, higher-profile patrols in troubled areas, more intelligence-gathering, dedicated emergency response teams and improved forensics, are the latest tools in the war on street crime. So are cameras ordered along Yonge St. by a business group, plus police tests of surveillance systems for other areas. "We're working hard to improve our eyes on the street," Blair said, adding transfers back into uniform, plus recruitment of more officers to replace retirees, will put 400 additional officers on the streets by Dec. 31. Crediting efforts by the Gun & Gang Task Force, urban crime, intelligence unit and increased awareness in divisions, police this year have "a better handle on who are involved in gangs," he said. "Unfortunately the police don't control all the causes of gun violence." But Blair said "people are getting fed up with the violence," and public understanding and co-operation has improved with police working more with civic officials, preachers, plus a cross-section of other public groups. Uniformed cops are "building relationships" with an increased presence in communities, balancing help with the need to get "criminals off the street," he said. The homicide squad has also grown, Det.-Sgt. Randy Carter, the unit's acting boss, said in an interview. In addition to adding constables, each division now has a constable to help with murder probes. In addition to increased knowledge of a community, witnesses can give statements faster and may relax with a local cop. With more officers in troubled areas, "you've got to believe people feel more comfortable," Carter said. And officers will be able to monitor "hanging around." This year, Carter said, "we're getting more calls from the community ... we're getting better success." Police laid 20 charges in last year's deadly shootings, or 38%. The four arrests this year represent 33%. Overall, 65% of the 2005 killings resulted in arrests, including nine people charged recently in a high-profile Boxing Day gang shootout on busy Yonge St., which left shopper Jane Creba, 15, dead and six people wounded. Toronto has recognizable, organized gangs, but "not every firearm-related murder is gang-related," Carter cautioned. Ranks of looser-knit groups often fluctuate -- and then there are the harder-to-trace pistol-packing loners. Sadly the gunfire resumed this past week. On Friday, a 22-year-old man was shot to death inside the Washburn Way home in Scarborough where he lived with his mother and two brothers. As of yesterday, no arrests had been made. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:21:12 -0600 (CST) From: Vladyslav Strashko Subject: Re: 'Bodies' push to keep gun registry Letter "fired" ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #562 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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