From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #581 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, June 29 2006 Volume 09 : Number 581 In this issue: Re: Rocket launcher surrendered during B.C. gun amnesty Re: Rocket launcher surrendered during B.C. gun amnesty re: weapons Re: weapons This pretentious A-hole doesn't even have the sense to pack it Response From Air Canada Re: Response From Air Canada Re: Response From Air Canada Police hail month-long gun amnesty as a success Rocket launcher among 1,400 firearms collected so far Judge convinced man needs guns to hunt; Drops prohibition Violent crime in city up almost 5 per cent ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:40:31 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Rocket launcher surrendered during B.C. gun amnesty 10x wrote: > At 06:58 AM 6/29/2006 -0600, you wrote: > >> >>http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2006/06/28/bc-gun-amnesty.h > > tml > >>Rocket launcher surrendered during B.C. gun amnesty >> >>Last Updated: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 | 2:10 PM PT >>CBC News >> >>British Columbians turned in almost 1,090 firearms =97 including a rocket >>launcher =97 during the first three weeks of this month's provincial gun >>amnesty. >> >>The RCMP say the rocket launcher, complete with instructions in French >>and English, was discovered by an elderly couple doing renovations to >>their Burnaby home in 1973. > > > Just a reminder. This was very likely the Painted cardboard tube sold > as "surplus" after the rocket was launced. Any idea what the army designation for this part would be? Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:59:42 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Rocket launcher surrendered during B.C. gun amnesty Bruce Mills wrote: > Any idea what the army designation for this part would be? http://www.canadiansoldiers.com/mediawiki-1.5.5/index.php?title=M72_SRAAW M72 SRAAW [M72C7] From www.canadiansoldiers.com The Rocket, High Explosive, 66mm, Anti-Tank M72 began appearing in Canadian units in the 1970s as an additional anti-armour asset primarily for infantrymen. It is officially known as the M72 and also as the Short-Range Anti-Armour Weapon - Light or SRAAW(L). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:03:28 -0600 (CST) From: Barry Snow Subject: re: weapons >Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:48:26 -0600 (CST) >From: wmartind@telusplanet.net >Subject: re: weapons > >Quoting > > >>> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:47:00 -0600 (CST) >>> From: "ross" >>> Subject: Weapons >>> >>> Novice given expert instruction on handling police weapons.. >>> >>> Only Police carry weapopns, the rest of the unwashed have firearms. A >>> subtlety, but a necesary one >> >> > >well. truly... Military and GangBangers also carry weapons... My stuff >is precision paper punching gear, food gathering, or varmint control >equipment... > >Walter Don't tell a traffic check officer that you have no weapons if he asks as ALL firearms are weapons according to the CCC definitions of weapon and definition of firearm. Barry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:09:19 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: weapons Barry Snow wrote: > Don't tell a traffic check officer that you have no weapons if he asks > as ALL firearms are weapons according to the CCC definitions of weapon > and definition of firearm. > Barry Actually, the correct answer is to tell the traffic check officer *NOTHING*. You are not obliged to answer any of their questions, or say anything at all - just provide them with your license, ownership and proof of insurance when asked. You are also not obliged to submit to a search of your car or your person, unless you've been placed under arrest. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:30:50 -0600 (CST) From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: This pretentious A-hole doesn't even have the sense to pack it http://thatvideosite.com/view/1147.html - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association President, Guysborough County Horse and Pony Association Member All For Horses Association, Nova Scotia Equestrian Federation Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:14:29 -0600 (CST) From: augustin Subject: Response From Air Canada - --------------020906090002060705020109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm flying Harmony Air this weekend to Toronto. It cost almost $150 more than flying Air Canada, but it's worth it... Response (Rick Hopkins) - 06/26/2006 05:33 PM Dear Augustin, Thank you for your email regarding Air Canada?s recent change to its Firearms Policy. We appreciate the opportunity to address your concern. Effective June 5th, the handling fee was suspended for international and transborder itineraries. However, the fee will continue to apply on domestic itineraries, for tickets purchased on/after April 14, 2006. Like most companies, Air Canada reviews its policies, procedures and services to ensure that its product offering responds to customer demand while keeping pace with industry standards and current economic realities. High fuel costs compel us to look at how we do our business. The firearms handling charge of $50.CAD/$50USD per one-way journey brings firearms handling in line with other special baggage that requires incremental manual handling. The same fee is already applied to both bicycles and surfboards when carried as checked baggage. The manual handling for firearms includes the following requirements: * Verification that the firearm is correctly packaged and contains no ammunition * Completion of the Firearms Carriage Forms and Limited Release * Notification to load control that firearms are being carried * Firearms are x-rayed separately before being put on the baggage belt. Additional work continues on the ramp as firearms cannot be loaded with regular baggage but must be loaded last onto the aircraft and are handled on the oversize baggage belt. The combination of these extra steps adds significant additional complexity to handling firearms that is not present when handling regular baggage. Air Canada has determined that the most appropriate recognition of this extra complexity is to apply the manual handling charge for the carriage of firearms. We appreciate the opportunity to review this with you and assure you that customer feedback is extremely valuable. Your comments have been documented and will form the basis of reports generated to our executive team as well as our operational groups. Thank you again for contacting our office. We hope you will allow us a future opportunity to provide you with service that is to your complete satisfaction. Sincerely, Rick Hopkins Customer Solutions Customer (Augustin) - 06/18/2006 05:43 PM Dear Sir/Madame, I understand that it has become the policy of Air Canada to charge for the transport of a firearm. Feigning "safety" is not a substantial reason for this added surcharge. Since Transport Canada does not list firearms as Dangerous Goods and there is no appreciable "extra handling" required by an airline to transport a firearm, this extensive surcharge must be seen as discriminatory and gouging to it's law abiding passengers. I insist that Air Canada ceases this firearms surcharge immediately. Until such time, I will not consider Air Canada as a company that I will do business with. Truly, Augustin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:27:49 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Response From Air Canada augustin wrote: > --------------020906090002060705020109 > Response (Rick Hopkins) - 06/26/2006 05:33 PM > Dear Augustin, > > Thank you for your email regarding Air Canada?s recent change to its > Firearms Policy. We appreciate the opportunity to address your concern. > Effective June 5th, the handling fee was suspended for international and > transborder itineraries. However, the fee will continue to apply on > domestic itineraries, for tickets purchased on/after April 14, 2006. > > Like most companies, Air Canada reviews its policies, procedures and > services to ensure that its product offering responds to customer demand > while keeping pace with industry standards and current economic > realities. High fuel costs compel us to look at how we do our business. Yeah, this is their "fuck off" form letter. We're not getting through to these bastards. These are just Customer Service drones, who can't do anything, even if they did care. Time to take the next step. Go to my webpage on this situation, and read through my analysis of how much absolute bullshit this is. http://home.cogeco.ca/~akimoya/rfc/air.canada.html Then, at the bottom, use the contact information to submit a complaint to the Canadian Transportation Agency; they have an online complaint form at their site. There is also contact info for the President & CEO of Air Canada Montie Brewer - I'm sure he'd be glad to hear from you! Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:30:04 -0600 (CST) From: augustin Subject: Re: Response From Air Canada Thanks, Bruce. I'll write after I get back from my trip on their competing airline to help drive the point home. - -- Augustin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:02:55 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Police hail month-long gun amnesty as a success PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: 2006.06.29 PAGE: S2 BYLINE: EVA SALINAS SECTION: British Columbia N EDITION: Metro DATELINE: Vancouver BC WORDS: 517 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Police hail month-long gun amnesty as a success More than 1,000 firearms turned in so far - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ EVA SALINAS VANCOUVER When a widow in her 70s heard about the provincewide gun amnesty running this month, she was reminded of an unusual weapon her husband had stashed in the attic. After the couple bought their home in Burnaby in 1973, they were cleaning under their deck when "lo and behold they came upon this," Corporal Pierre Lemaitre said, displaying an army-green grenade and rocket launcher, about 60 centimetres long. Cpl. Lemaitre said 1973 "was a different time. . . . Her husband's gut feeling was, 'We may get in trouble if we turn this in.' " Since her husband died a few years ago, "she just wanted the weight off her shoulders," he said. More than three weeks into the program, RCMP have begun making comparisons with previous amnesties. While residents still have one more day to hand in unwanted guns, police are calling this amnesty a great success. "It's exceeded our expectations so far," Staff Sergeant John Ward said yesterday in Vancouver. Since June 1, more than 1,000 firearms have been handed into RCMP detachments, including 72 registered handguns and 124 unregistered handguns. Police in many cities, including Delta, New Westminster, Vancouver and Nelson, have yet to tally guns collected in their areas, but as of early last week, Vancouver police said at least 70 firearms were received. "When you put all those together, you can see the success of the amnesty," Staff Sgt. Ward said. The total of firearms collected in the previous provincial amnesty, which spanned six weeks in 1998, was around 2,000. Toronto's three-week amnesty in November brought in 261 firearms. "A lot of these long arms that you see are things that have been sitting around collecting dust," Cpl. Lemaitre said. The majority of firearms handed in have been long guns, shotguns, rifles and, on occasion, rarities such as the rocket launcher in Burnaby or a semiautomatic submachine gun, which was retrieved in working condition in Kelowna. The weapons will not be available to collectors, police said, but will instead be analyzed at the RCMP crime-detection lab and then destroyed. Charges may be laid if a firearm is found to have been used in a crime, but no such traces have yet been found. Where the amnesty makes a difference, the RCMP said, is when guns are turned in that could have ended up in the hands of criminals, by way of a break-in, for instance. RCMP integrated homicide investigation teams have reported that homicide rates and the rate of weapons being used in killings are going up. Around 40 to 50 per cent of homicides involve unregistered guns, Staff Sgt. Ward said. Vancouver police have emphasized the incidence of guns used in domestic violence. Between 1979 and 1998, firearms were used in more than a third of spousal homicides, and in 1998, the most common firearm used in a spousal homicide was a rifle or shotgun. Constable Tim Fanning agreed this month's amnesty has done well, and final numbers will be tallied by July 6, when RCMP, Vancouver police and Solicitor-General John Les will meet. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- June 19, 2006 - Library of Parliament: Spousal Homicides by Weapon, 1995-2004 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2006_new/65.doc NEWS RELEASE - June 21, 2006 DOMESTIC VIOLENCE: WOMEN'S SHELTERS OR THE GUN REGISTRY? "Statistics Canada reports 220 women and children turned away in one day!" http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/2006/june21.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:04:38 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Rocket launcher among 1,400 firearms collected so far PUBLICATION: The Province DATE: 2006.06.29 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A8 BYLINE: Matt Carter SOURCE: The Province ILLUSTRATION: Colour Photo: Wayne Leidenfrost, The Province / A reporterchecks out a rocket launcher that was turned in as the RCMP holds a news conference yesterday to show off some of the guns that have been collected as part of the B.C. gun amnesty. WORD COUNT: 287 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rocket launcher turned in: Weapon among 1,400 firearms collected so far - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A 66-millimetre anti-tank rocket launcher is among the roughly 1,400 firearms collected so far in the B.C. gun amnesty. "A lot of these things have been lying around collecting dust," RCMP Cpl. Pierre Lemaitre said yesterday. The rocket launcher was turned in by a Burnaby widow in her 70s. She and her husband found it shortly after moving into their house in 1973. "In the process of doing some renovations, they were clearing some branches beneath the deck and lo and behold, they came across this," Lemaitre said. The couple stored the weapon because they feared being charged, he said. B.C. residents have until tomorrow to turn in their weapons without penalty, as long as the weapons haven't been used to commit a crime. Police are asking that gun owners call police to come and collect the weapons, rather than bring them to a police station themselves. Most of the guns turned in are rifles and shotguns. RCMP have collected 1,090 firearms, including 124 unregistered handguns, 72 registered handguns, 34 prohibited firearms, 224 replicas or pellet guns and 44,258 rounds of ammunition. Independent police forces, including the Vancouver police, have collected at least 197 long guns, 43 handguns and 50 replicas. "Quite a few of the weapons we've had turned in have been from families of a recently deceased person. So someone, typically the widow, will say, 'All right, let's get these things out of here,'" said Victoria police Insp. Les Sylven. The weapons collected will be examined in the RCMP crime detection lab to see if they have been fired recently or if they might have been used to commit a crime. The weapons will then be destroyed. The amnesty initiative is expected to cost $50,000. Police have previously estimated there are as many as 90,000 unregistered guns in B.C. "Trying to keep track of unregistered weapons is almost impossible," said RCMP Sgt. John Ward. "We're finding more and more weapons on the street. It's becoming a very dangerous situation." mcarter@png.canwest.com - - - - WHAT DO YOU THINK? Give us your comments by fax at 604-605-2223 or by e-mail to provletters@png.canwest.com. Be sure to spell out your first and last names and give your hometown. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:04:38 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Judge convinced man needs guns to hunt; Drops prohibition PUBLICATION: Sault Star (ON) DATE: 2006.06.29 SECTION: News PAGE: A5 BYLINE: Linda Richardson WORD COUNT: 330 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Judge convinced man needs guns to hunt; Drops prohibition, but sends him to jail for seeing girlfriend despite order - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A Batchewana First Nation man with a substantial record for domestic violence offences convinced a judge Wednesday he should still be able to use his guns. "It's game over, you won't be hunting," Ontario Court Justice Kristine Bignell said as she was imposing a five-year firearms prohibition. But Christopher Syrette protested, saying there had been no violence with weapons "I hunt for the elders and the feasts they have on the reserve,'' the 42-year-old man said. Bignell relented and decided Syrette can't possess firearms, except when accompanied by one of three people named in his probation order. "Only for hunting,'' she warned him. Syrette was convicted of five offences for disobeying court orders that required him to stay away from his girlfriend of three years. He also pleaded guilty to threatening to kick a boy in the head. "I know I have a sickness and that sickness is alcohol,'' he told the judge, acknowledging alcohol is always involved in his offences. The court heard that the woman invited him to meet her at her sister's place March 2 and even provided him with a ride. Once he arrived there, the intoxicated Syrette became enraged, abusive and "started yelling,'' accusing her of being unfaithful, prosecutor Dana Peterson said. "He was going crazy,'' the assistant Crown attorney quoted from the woman's statement to police. Syrette left the sister's residence and went to his girlfriend's home where he threatened one of her son's friends. "He is raging, is angry and whoever was in his path was going to get it,'' Peterson said. Syrette breached orders that prohibited him from communicating with the woman, harassing her and going to her home. The assistant Crown attorney said Syrette not only has a record for other offences against his girlfriend, but for crimes involving two prior partners. "He is a domestic violence recidivist, '' Peterson said, urging the judge to jail Syrette, who has been in custody since the incident, for a further three months. With a two-for-one credit for the four-months pre-trial custody, that would be the equivalent of an 11-month sentence. Defence counsel Bruce Willson suggested that his client shouldn't serve any more time. "He's really served eight months,'' and could be released on probation, he argued. Bignell decided Syrette should spend another month in custody. "I want you to do some serious thinking about what to do with the rest of your life.'' And despite hearing that the woman wants to resume her relationship with Syrette, the judge said no to any contact between them. She placed Syrette on probation for the maximum three years with numerous conditions regarding the woman. "Your relationship with her is not good. If the two of you communicate there will be more trouble. . . . If she calls you up, don't answer.'' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:04:39 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Violent crime in city up almost 5 per cent PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: 2006.06.29 PAGE: A9 (ILLUS) BYLINE: HAYLEY MICK SECTION: Toronto News EDITION: Metro DATELINE: Toronto ONT WORDS: 603 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Violent crime in city up almost 5 per cent Despite increase, police say numbers are consistent with past five years - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ HAYLEY MICK With a report from Jennifer Lewington TORONTO Violent crime surged in Toronto last year, with increases in the number of homicides, sexual assaults and thefts. But experts say not to worry -- yet. The Toronto Police Service reported this week that there was a 4.7-per-cent rise in violent crimes in 2005, including a 23.4-per-cent jump in homicides. Sexual assaults rose by 8.4 per cent, and robberies by 5.7 per cent. But criminologists and police say it's too early to call it a trend. The city had an unusually non-violent year in 2004, and numbers for 2005 are consistent with those seen in the past half-decade. In fact, the number of violent crime offences is the second-lowest in the past five years. "We don't have a panic when we see a spike like this because we look at the five-year trend rather than the one-year trend," said Deputy Chief Tony Warr. Crime rates in the United States generally, as well as Toronto and the rest of Canada, had consistently been declining since the early 1990s. But in the past couple of years, that trend seems to have reversed. According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, violent crime increased in the United States in 2005. Homicides, robberies and aggravated assaults were all up by between about 2 and 5 per cent. Statistics Canada will release this year's national crime numbers in late July. In 2004, the overall violent crime rate fell by 2 per cent. In terms of homicides, however, Vancouver's rate jumped 24 per cent over the previous year, Edmonton's 55 per cent, Calgary's 73 per cent, Winnipeg's 88 per cent and in Halifax, the homicide rate tripled. Experts are still unclear about why. Some blame guns. Others point to demographics and consider the number of males between 18 and 29 -- statistically the most violent members of society. Still others say each city has its own reasons to explain deviations from the norm. In Toronto, for example, 79 people were slainin 2005 -- a year dubbed by the news media the "year of the gun" because of the 52 firearms-related homicides, which were largely rooted in Toronto's flourishing gang culture. "There is a change in the character of homicide," said Neil Boyd, a criminologist from Simon Fraser University. "It said something about the need to combat the culture of young men carrying guns. As a society we need to take issue with that." Deputy Chief Warr said that Toronto police use violent-crime statistics as a "barometer" to judge what needs to be done. One initiative that came out of last year's surge in gun violence is TAVIS, the Toronto Anti-Violence Intervention Strategy, which launched in mid-January. Pam McConnell, vice-chairwoman of the Toronto Police Services Board, said the police and community and women's groups are trying to improve how officers deal with victims of crime. Action on violence against women now is one of the stated priorities of the police service business goals for 2006. Both Prof. Boyd and criminologist Rosemary Gartner of the University of Toronto stressed that it will take many years to determine whether the statistical increases seen in 2005 reflect a long-term trend. "We don't know whether it's just random chance or whether it's more meaningful than that," Prof. Gartner said. Of the past five years, 2001 had the most reported violent crimes with 37,057. There were slight decreases over the next three years until 2004, which saw 32,948. 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