From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #590 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, July 3 2006 Volume 09 : Number 590 In this issue: [LETTER] Law not for the law-abiding Man shot RE: Man shot "Have you ever used a pistol?" Gun summer II? Clash over cash Man pulls out gun on Ottawa street Out gunned but not outsmarted...... School Teacher Arrested [Lighter Side] Winnipeg police seize machine-guns Re: CILA EMERGENCY ACTION ALERT Re: Edmonton Police Officer Seriously Hurt In Gun Fight Fw: Regarding the Canadian National Committee on Small Arms and Re: CILA EMERGENCY ACTION ALERT [LETTER] The federal gun registry is a list of guns ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:57:47 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] Law not for the law-abiding Law not for the law-abiding Winnipeg Sun Thu, June 22, 2006 Re: Man charged after defending his home (Paul Turenne, June 20). You must be kidding! Harvey Joseph Young is charged with attempted murder for defending himself against two thugs during a home invasion and is now himself in jail. As if it wasn't bad enough that our dysfunctional justice system is soft on crime to the extent that no one feels safe anymore, now this same "banana republic system" has taken the extra step to punish those who dare protect themselves. If the intent is to ultimately allow criminals to rule the country, then we are certainly well on our way. Al Yakimchuk Winnipeg (Leave self-defence to the experts, they say.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:58:24 -0600 (CST) From: Len Miller Subject: Man shot Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:18:53 -0600 (CST) From: Len Miller Subject: Man shot to death . To: Vic Toews Cc: The Province , Garry Breitkreuz , Firearms digest , Joey Thompson , Bill Good , Stock day The Honourable Vic Toews Minister of Justice CC Stockwell Day, MP Garry Breitkreuz, Province Paper. Reporter Joey Thompson, Firearms Digest, Open Liner Bill Good Dear Sir . . Re Province A4 Sunday 2 July 06 . . Surrey man shot to death 'protecting'? his kids, family says . . With respect Sir, That's not the way I see it. I see it as yet another unintended consequence of bill C-68. I see it as a political murder, where the state has created thesituation where a person, when HIS safety and the safety of HIS family are threatened, is COMPELLED to meet the threat empty handed, (or run from his house) To 'Dial 911, and Die' . . . as Richard Stevens so clearly puts it . . That there were NO police, NO courts, NO one to deal with the emergency than the house-holder should be clear to anyone. Further . .. HE was under threat of criminal prosecution, had he met the threat with the force it demanded. Necessary force, sirs . . . He most certainly, would have been charged had the outcome been reversed. The language of 'gun control' , is, once again, exposed for its hypocrisy. Citizens are compelled, by legislation, to die, while the criminal, had he been caught would have instantly earned legal aid. Surely, there is something wrong with this picture. That this situation is aided and abetted by media, the law fraternity, and addle-headed cry-babies who support the continuance of a 'catch 22' law which continues to kill daily, must be addressed. Must we, the law abiding, continue to petition OUR representatives, who we voted for to fulfill the promises made? Must we, constantly remind you, of the trail of wreckage flowing from the fraudulent piece of legislation, which continues to threaten the safety of citizens? Did the deaths of Bob and Bonnie Dagenais . . ( unarmed and defenceless* ) . . . lose its message? Do criminals have a 'right' to commit crime? It seems they do . . gun control has seen to that . . . . Have we 'svenned' the law . . . so to speak . . . ? see: Bonnie and Bob Dagenais Mr. Scott Reid (Lanark -Carleton, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, I rise today to draw attention to the tragic death of two teachers killed this weekend in a horrific and callous act of violence. As they sought to protect their property from unlawful invasion in the early hours of Saturday morning, Bonnie and Bob Dagenais were brutally shot and killed by a convicted criminal and his 15 year old accomplice. Unarmed and defenceless*, the couple were innocent victims of a terrible crime which sought to rob them of their property and ended by robbing them of their lives. Bob Dagenais, a retired school principal, and his wife Bonnie, a former grade three teacher, both retired last spring. In their many years as educators in the Ottawa-Carleton district the couple touched and inspired many individuals and unfailingly won the respect and admiration both of pupils and of colleagues. The community in which they lived and worked today mourns their loss unable to comprehend the magnitude and the senselessness of their deaths. I believe my hon. colleagues will join me in offering my sincere condolences to their family and friends following this tragic loss. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Or the death of Jack Gentles, Quarry Road, Coquitlam, who was so frightened by an RCMP tactical team who should have been returning his stolen registered gun . . he suicided . .? Sirs, it is well past the time, a reasoned approach is taken on the safety and security of my country. Len Miller Veteran Det retired Vancouver Police Department Director BC Wildlife Federation from Vancouver . . . . . where crime is dropping . . . . except for the home invasions . . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:29:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: Man shot Excellent letter, Len. BTW, your email address keeps rejecting my letters to you. Do you have a new one? Clive ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:43:57 -0600 (CST) From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Have you ever used a pistol?" "Have you ever used a pistol?" http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2252723,00.html Very heavy firefight, training, skill set (ability to hit what they aim at), critical in an ambush situation and some luck. British perspective interesting, Some serious questions not being discussed about the Southern Afghanistan campaign, especially about the Pakistan involvement! If the coalition, esp. Americans, aren't prepared to at least buy off the poppy farmers not much will change in those areas. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:21:03 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Gun summer II? http://www.torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2006/07/02/1664412-sun.html Gun summer II? Critics blast top cop, mayor over fears of deadly shootings repeat By CHRIS DOUCETTE, TORONTO SUN Sun, July 2, 2006 For months, Torontonians have listened to those at the helm of the city talk about how they were going to prevent a repeat of last year's summer of gun violence. But despite all the talk, Summer of the Gun II appears to be upon us, prompting some strong criticism of city leaders such as the mayor and police chief. "It's undeniable by anybody that we're into another summer of gun violence," Toronto Police Association president Dave Wilson said following a spate of gunplay that plagued the city in the first week of the season. Police statistics show shootings are actually down slightly so far this year over the same period last year. But after more than a dozen shootings wounded at least eight people, killed one man and had cops and EMS workers dodging bullets during a 10-day stretch to kick off the summer, Wilson said those figures are hardly convincing. "People will want to play with the statistics, but let's not play the statistics (game)," he said. 'HAS TO BE DEALT WITH' "We know in the last week there's been a number of shootings, and we know that police officers are being shot at, so we know there's an issue here that has to be dealt with and clearly not enough has been done," said Wilson. He believes Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair should shoulder much of the blame for the city's gun troubles. Wilson claims 145 of the 250 new officers promised by the chief earlier this year have yet to be delivered. And although there are more cops on the street, he said deployed officer strength will actually decrease over the next couple of months because of officers retiring from the force. "We are going to have at least 34 fewer officers on the street in August than we do today," Wilson said. "And we know from last year, the lesson we should have learned is that as the summer goes on the gun violence increases." "That's shocking if that's the case," said Councillor Jane Pitfield, a mayoral candidate in Toronto's municipal elections this fall. "That makes no sense to me given our present situation." Pitfield, however, said she doesn't blame the police chief. "I think he's playing the hand he's been dealt, and the hand he's been dealt is one of political interference," she said. "I think he's making the best of a tough situation where Mayor (David) Miller and other council members have interfered with policing more than they should have." Pitfield believes it's Miller who's dropped the ball. MAYOR RESPONSIBLE "Ultimately, I think the mayor of the city is responsible," she said. If she were mayor, Pitfield said fighting crime would be a top priority. And, unlike Miller, she would welcome the offer of a free police helicopter and help from citizen groups like the Guardian Angels. "We're in no position to say to anybody who wants to help make Toronto safe and secure that we're not interested," Pitfield said. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:21:29 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Clash over cash Anyone care to wager how this one is going to turn out? http://www.torontosun.com/News/Canada/2006/07/02/1664422-sun.html Clash over cash Woman sues to get seized $200Gs back from feds By TOM GODFREY, TORONTO SUN Sun, July 2, 2006 A Toronto woman has launched a high-stakes legal battle against Canada Customs to reclaim $200,000 hidden in a car that was seized by border agents at the Niagara Falls crossing. Thanh Thi Nhu Pham filed papers last month against Public Services Minister Stockwell Day and the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) to have 23 bundles of U.S. cash returned to her. The money, stashed in cavities behind the dashboard vent and instruments of a Canada-bound vehicle, was seized in April last year, according to Federal Court of Canada documents. The CBSA said the funds were seized under the Proceeds of Crime and Terrorist Financing Act. 'FIRST TEST CASE' It requires that sums exceeding $10,000 be declared to Customs. "My client wants her money back," Pham's lawyer, Steven Tress, said. "She is asking for the seizure to be reviewed by the minister." Tress said the court can order the CBSA to return the funds, impose a penalty or take no further action. "This is the first test case of its kind," he said. "The minister has to determine the grounds for seizure." Tress said Pham was not charged or fined by Customs when the cash was seized. He refused to disclose further details about Pham. Mr. Justice Roger T. Hughes in a seven-page ruling said Day must make a decision on what happens to the cash. Spokesmen for Day would not comment on the matter. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:55:46 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Man pulls out gun on Ottawa street http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2006/07/02/1665035-sun.html Man pulls out gun on Ottawa street Sunday, 2:50 a.m. By SUN STAFF An argument between two groups of men on Rideau St. early Saturday morning ended with one man pulling out what appeared to be a handgun. Police said a group of between 5-7 men were arguing with a group of two men shortly after midnight. One of the two men arguing with the larger group allegedly brandished a handgun, which sent his adversaries fleeing. No shots were fired. Police are looking for a white male in his early to mid-twenties, with a short brush cut, who was wearing a white shirt, beige pants and white running shoes ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:00:48 -0600 (CST) From: "benchleypark" Subject: Out gunned but not outsmarted...... 10X says: > ..."Or is it possible that there are shills sending these E-mails to > Ms. Cukier so she has proof that gun owners are "demented"." Take a bow! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:00:06 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Jordan Subject: School Teacher Arrested [Lighter Side] School Teacher Arrested NEW YORK - A public school teacher was arrested today at John F. Kennedy International Airport as he attempted to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a set square, a slide rule, and a calculator. At a morning press conference, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said he believes the man is a member of the notorious Al-gebra movement. He did not identify the man, who has been charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction. "Al-gebra is a problem for us,"Gonzales said. "They desire solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in a search of absolute value. They use secret code names like 'x' and 'y' and refer to themselves as 'unknowns,' but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of the axis of medieval with coordinates in every country. As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say, "'There are 3 sides to every triangle "." When asked to comment on the arrest, President Bush said, "If God had wanted us to have better Weapons of Math Instruction, He would have given us more fingers and toes." White House aides told reporters they could not recall a more intelligent or profound statement by the president. Eh, it all makes sense to me- ROFLMAO! Later--DRGJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:01:19 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Jordan Subject: Winnipeg police seize machine-guns http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/07/02/winnipeg-weapons.html Winnipeg police seize machine-guns Last Updated Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:28:50 EDT CBC News In a raid Sunday, the Winnipeg Police Service seized a number of weapons, including machine-guns. The service's emergency response unit took part in a raid on a home in the city's West St. Paul area. A 22-year-old man was arrested and now faces more than 30 weapons charges. "Most of the charges pertain to being in possession of firearms and illegal firearms as well as illegal ammunition. For example, we do have a number of Sten machine-guns that were seized . as well as ammunition to go along with those, so clearly it is a very serious offense," said Const. Jacquline Chaput. The kinds of weapons made the arrest a high priority for the police, she said. The man was arrested without incident. He was known to the police service. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:35:42 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: CILA EMERGENCY ACTION ALERT snip Subject: CILA EMERGENCY ACTION ALERT > We need you to write immediately to the PMO and Foreign Affairs. SEND IT by >fax. Sunday night 11:25 pm. 2 fax messages sent, in a hurry, and I am wondering why? You could see this coming I had sent a letter to MacKay some time back with concerns regarding the Liberal appointed composition of the Canadian delegation. A major concern since the head of the delegation had stated in the media of his intention to proceed as if he had the support of the government. It now seem obvious that intention was to proceed with a Liberal agenda. Mr. Mackay we are not impressed! __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumpsit Contract - All Rights Reserved - Without Prejudice ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:39:10 -0600 (CST) From: vampire@istar.ca (Robert LaCasse) Subject: Re: Edmonton Police Officer Seriously Hurt In Gun Fight >------------------------------ >http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_1664.aspx > >Edmonton Police Officer Seriously Hurt In Gun Fight >Friday June 30, 2006 > >An Edmonton police officer is in serious condition following a shootout >that left one man dead. > >Cops were reportedly investigating a gun complaint in a quiet >neighbourhood shortly after midnight Friday. Their initial search didn't >turn up anything and they were preparing to leave when someone living in >the area told them there was a man with a gun inside a home. Holy shit Batman.... someone has a gun in his own home, isn't there a law against that...go home Brit. There is no actus reus, no mens rea, and no concern of due diligence here... But then Gun Grabbers just don't need a warrant or excuse to perform Home invasions on anybody, they got guns, so they think they own the ball game.... >At the residence in question, a senior officer was interviewing >witnesses on the main floor while two junior officers went to check the >basement. I wonder who's basement it was...it's not too clear here what the status of the _habeas corpus_ was at this point? >"A few moments after that, gunshots were heard and our members of the >police service responded with gunfire aimed at an assailant," described >Staff Sgt. Gerry Gunn of the homicide squad. > >Const. Daniel Furman, a 26-year-old who's been on the force for two >years, was struck several times. He managed to return fire, as did >another cop on the scene. > >The shooter, 27, died a short time later in hospital. > >It's unclear what his motive was, if any, for firing at the cops. I would think he wasn't krazy about home invaders, or just couldn't see *too clearly* who he was shooting at.....with all the 1,000's of Home Invasions there have been around here lately, people are apt to be a bit *skidish* >"It's going to take us several days to re-create that crime scene to >figure out all of those details." Gunn said, adding that the assailant >was known to police. Re-create it?!?!?!? they created it, and now they want to re-create it, they just wanna kill time here or what. Since the assailant was known to police, and the riot squad was there, there must have been another greater concern over this matter? The police are not toooo big on (internal cleansing)...they are a family in love with each other, just like the other gangs. >The wounded constable underwent emergency surgery and is now listed in >serious but stable condition. All that problem because some screwball *cried wolf*..there couldn't be enough Cukiers out there... >The other officers escaped unharmed. > >------------------------------ - -- Triad Productions-Fantalla(c)~EZine~ParaNovel National Association of Assault Research WWWeb>> http://reachme.at/bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 21:39:10 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Fw: Regarding the Canadian National Committee on Small Arms and Sunday night, 11: 35PM and 2 fax letters sent to Ottawa. I am wondering why this has to be done in such a big hurry. Then again I suppose we could see this coming. Mr.Mackay, we are not impressed I guess I was p****** in the wind back then - ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul chicoine" To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:36 PM Subject: Regarding the Canadian National Committee on Small Arms and Light Weapons > > Mr. MacKay > > It is becoming clear that the abolition of the firearm registry and indeed > the complete reworking of the Firearms Act will take some time to > accomplish. > > In the meantime I wish to remind you that efforts at the subjugation of the > rights and privileges of law abiding firearms owners is an international > effort. It should also be clear that individuals in the public service seem > intent in their zeal to maintain this process. > > I am disturbed to read in a report concerning the Canadian National > Committee on Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALWs) by Professor Gary Mauser > and I quote; > > "Earl Turcotte, reported that, even though they do not have a mandate from > the new Conservative government, they intend to continue acting as if they > had. " > > It is evident Mr. Turcotte intends to carry on with Liberal proposals > concerning "small arms". I am writing to remind you that it is your > government which was elected to national office and it is the national > government which sets the course for Canada's foreign policy not Mr. > Turcotte. > > As an individual who voted for the Conservative Party on the promise of the > abolition of the firearms registry and the retooling of Canada's firearms > laws I must live with the limitations of a minority government. However it > is well within your purview to reign in the CNCSALW. > > Along with Canada's other law abiding firearms owners I expect you to take > action and set aside these Liberal inspired motions. > __________ > __________ > Paul Chicoine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:20:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim S." Subject: Re: CILA EMERGENCY ACTION ALERT Paul - > A major concern since the head of the delegation had stated in the media > of his intention to proceed as if he had the support of the government. > It now seem obvious that intention was to proceed with a Liberal agenda. It also appears obvious that he DID have the support of the Government. And you are correct: Mr. Harper and Mr. McKay, we are not impressed. These guys are not Conservatives. They are playing the Liberal game of running on what is popular in the polls, rather than acting on principles which made Canada such a great country. This would be humorous, if it wasn't so heartbreaking. I refuse to support the CPC from this time forward. All I need to wait for now is the CPC betrayal of Alberta, as Mulroney did in the 80's and my expectations will have been fulfilled. Jim Szpajcher St. Paul, AB. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 05:12:44 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] The federal gun registry is a list of guns http://www.therecord.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=record/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1151878216364&call_pageid=1024322168441&col=1024322594318 The federal gun registry is a list of guns MARTIN FISCHER (Jul 3, 2006) The May 17 editorial, Keep And Reform The Gun Registry, asked: "What is wrong with a government agency that has a list of people who own potentially dangerous weapons?" The June 22 editorial, Keep The Gun Registry, stated: "The registry is merely a list of the names of people who have guns . . ." Both of these statements are inaccurate and misleading. The Canadian Firearms Registry is not "merely a list of the names of people who have guns" but, rather, a list of the guns that belong to people who have already proven to the government that they are qualified to have guns, which is a very important distinction. There is nothing wrong with having a registry of people who have guns. Since 1978, gun owners across Canada have had to qualify for a firearms acquisition certificate in order to purchase firearms. The Firearms Act of 1995 went further and required that anyone who owns a firearm had to have a licence to continue to possess the firearms they already owned, or a further level of licensing which determined what types of firearms they could also buy. However, the Firearms Act goes even further and includes the stated aim to register every individual gun belonging to a licensed gun owner in Canada. In doing this, it intrudes far beyond what is necessary for the fair and reasonable protection of society from law-abiding hunters and shooters. The gun registry is a colossal waste of tax dollars with no demonstrable benefit to public safety. I am proud that my government knows that I am of such impeccable character. I have no real concern that police know that I own firearms. But I shouldn't have to constantly ask the government for permission to engage in my safe, legal hobbies once I have proven my worth. When the gun registry is dismantled, the possession and acquisition licence program will remain in place. Hunters and shooters will still have to prove their worthiness and good character to own firearms. If The Record wishes to argue that "a registry of guns people own" should continue then it has that right. But it should not mislead its readers by suggesting that the government intends to do away with "a registry of people who own guns." Martin Fischer London ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #590 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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