From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #596 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, July 4 2006 Volume 09 : Number 596 In this issue: Fw: ELECTION COMING~!!!!!!!! Re: My letter to the Calgary Herald stakeholders Coalition Lobbyist Information Air Canada rip-off? Re: Air Canada rip-off? Cops bust alleged gun trafficker Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #595 Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #595 Scary side of PETA Mad dash to sell the Liberal line Liberal leadership race attracts few new party members Re:License Discussion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 13:16:20 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Fw: ELECTION COMING~!!!!!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: david@davidsweet.ca To: mred Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: Re: ELECTION COMING~!!!!!!!! Believe me, I understand what you are saying about not really trusting the Liberal Party for anything. However, I can tell you that the Liberals do not want a vote any time soon as they do not even have a leader. Right now, I believe that at last count there were about twelve people who were running for the leadership of the Liberal Party. They are a party divided and heavily in debt. Anything can happen, I suppose, but it really would not be in their best interest to have an election any time soon. I think the repercussions would far outweigh the positives. As far as the literature goes, I guess their thinking is that it is never too early to start working on the next election. Doug Brown, Contituency Office Manager - David Sweet M.P. Ancaster-Dundas-Flamborough-Westdale > > Thanks for your response. > > I understand what youre saying, but it does seem a little premature to > me > to be canvassing for votes without an imminent election coming ? > Perhaps I am getting paranoid,? but I dont trust ANYTHING the Liberals > will do, to gain a foothold in the next election. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:10:21 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher di Armani Subject: Re: My letter to the Calgary Herald At 10:34 AM 7/4/2006, you wrote: >Day can engage in all the semantic gerrymandering he likes, but if he >doesn't accede to our wishes, he will find himself sitting on the other >side of the House come next election. We worked very hard to get the >CPC elected, and we can get them turfed out, too. > >C-68 must be scrapped - utterly and completely!. Excellent letter Bruce... I especially like the ending. :) Yours in Liberty, Christopher di Armani christopher@diArmani.com Licensing law-abiding gun owners CANNOT stop criminal gangs from killing people. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:38:12 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: stakeholders Among the measures planned is a more efficient licensing system without the costly and burdensome five-year renewal requirement. These reforms will begin with consultations with provinces, territories and stakeholders this summer. Our actions reflect what Canadians voted for: effective gun control and effective measures to protect families and communities. WELL NOW BOYZ AND GIRLZ it is time we as stakeholders told day of our wants and demands. I am little concerned for what he says or does unless it is to scrap c-68 . I read this article in the digfest when day responds to the press, and it begins to smell like a liberal ploy, seems to talk like a liberal ploy and it even moves like a liberal ploy. perhaps the conbservatives and Liberals are interchangeable after all. As stakeholders, let your demands be known including how you feel about a license which alklows the govmt to take away your license without process. If you dont speak up now, forever loose your chance, because I feel a big stick up the ass about to be delivered by Day to gun owners. While i want to trust the conservatives, they are not keeping their promises in ther policy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:44:44 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Coalition Lobbyist Information Well, it looks like Wendy and her merry gang of gun grabbers have *finally* gotten around to re-registering as a lobby group. I've put the information up on one of my web pages at: http://home.cogeco.ca/~akimoya/rfc/cfgc.06.05.10.html Here's an excerpt (barf bag alert): Description of Employer's Business The Coalition supports: Legislation which includes: • possession permits which are periodically renewed for ALL gun owners • a *cost-effective system to register all guns* • a total ban on assault weapons and large capacity magazines • controls on the sale of ammunition • *tougher restrictions on handguns*. In addition it promotes: • strict safe storage requirements • *education countering the romance of guns and the myth of arming for self-protection* • a ban on replica firearms • measures to reduce the illegal importation of guns • effective implementation of the law • deterrence and prevention in the justice system These measures are contained in Bill C-68, proclaimed on December 5, 1995. Currently the Coalition is focused on: • ensuring effective implementation of the legislation • research and public education • improving measures to combat smuggling and the illegal gun trade • *protecting the legislation from legal challenges and attacks by the gun lobby*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:33:08 -0600 (CST) From: John Fowler Subject: Air Canada rip-off? Every October I take my bird dog and shotgun to Saskatchewan for a week's holiday. I travel Air Canada, on reward travel points accumulated over the year on our CIBC Visa Travel Card. I have no choice but to use AC. It's a crummy outfit, with very inconvenient arrangements available to reward travellers. NOW - they want to ding me an extra $50 each way to carry my shotgun, and have upped the ticket for my dog to $100 each way. BTW - AC does NOT charge the gun fee to international travellers. So if an American comes to Canada to hunt, or a Canadian goes to Tokyo or Texas to compete in a match, no extra charge. I complained - and got a whole lot of malarkey from AC. No other airline charges an extra fee. Seems to me AC is just looking for opportunities to find billable items to fleece us? I've just found out that TDVisa and likely RBCVisa travel card reward points are redeemable with any airlines, who don't try to clip you for these extras. Guess what we are about to do? ITMT, I spoke today with someone at CIBCVisa about my disappointment with AC. She took all the details, was very happy to have the feedback (they can only act if they have feedback) and promised to both complain to AC on my behalf, and also to pass to her management my intention to cancel the CIBC card in favour of that of another bank (we average some $6,000 a month purchases on the card). A few more calls to CIBC Travel might well prompt a change to the AC policy - especially if you travel with your guns on AC. 1-800-465-4653 John T. Fowler Photography For Education http://www.johnfowler.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:35:19 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Air Canada rip-off? John Fowler wrote: > A few more calls to CIBC Travel might well prompt a change to the AC > policy - especially if you travel with your guns on AC. > > 1-800-465-4653 See my webpage on this discriminatory policy against gun owners at: http://home.cogeco.ca/~akimoya/rfc/air.canada.html There are a few other avenues through which you can complain. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 16:28:44 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Cops bust alleged gun trafficker http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Winnipeg/2006/07/04/1667659.html Cops bust alleged gun trafficker Tue, July 4, 2006 The man from whom police seized three Second World War-era machine guns on Sunday morning intended to sell the guns, police said today. Anthony Jonathon Stanley Halayda, 22, was arrested Sunday after members of the National Weapons Enforcement Support Team — a joint RCMP and Winnipeg police task force — raided a tony home on River Elm Drive in West St. Paul. They seized three Sten guns and six high-capacity magazines capable of holding up to 100 nine-millimetre bullets. The seized guns date back to the Second World War, and although police have yet to test-fire them, they are believed to be fully operational. Cops say they are unsure whether the guns were meant for crime or simply as collectibles, but said they do believe Halayda meant to sell them. He has therefore been charged with nine count of firearms trafficking, as well as several related weapons charges. Police would not comment on whom the guns were to be sold to. Read more in tomorrow's Winnipeg Sun. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:19:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Bob Boswell" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #595 > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:30:57 -0600 (CST) > From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) > Subject: Man fined for hunting > > Christopher R. Johnston, 27, pleaded guilty to possessing an unencased > firearm after dark, possessing wildlife unlawfully killed, unlawfully > using a firearm during a bow hunt, and failing to immediately attach a > seal to the deer. Is their a provincial law that requires firearms to be encased when not in use? If so are there any other provinces that require a firearm to be encased when not in use? It certainly is not a federal requirement. Bob Boswell Duncan BC. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 17:33:39 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #595 Bob Boswell wrote: >>------------------------------ >> >>Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:30:57 -0600 (CST) >>From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) >>Subject: Man fined for hunting >> >>Christopher R. Johnston, 27, pleaded guilty to possessing an unencased >>firearm after dark, possessing wildlife unlawfully killed, unlawfully >>using a firearm during a bow hunt, and failing to immediately attach a >>seal to the deer. > > > Is their a provincial law that requires firearms to be encased when not > in use? The operative words are "after dark" - in Ontario, at least, it is a contravention of the Fish and Wildlife Act to have a gun unencased at night in areas where game can be found. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:29:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Larry Neufeld" Subject: Scary side of PETA This clip shows the scary side of PETA and the extreme measures they will go to, to promote their own misguided agenda. Absolutely amazing! This is the URL to send to individuals that support PETA. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1913999390200944075&q=PETA Larry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:41:36 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Mad dash to sell the Liberal line Compare this article to the next one... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060704.LIBERALS04/TPStory/Front/?pageRequested=all Mad dash to sell the Liberal line CAMPBELL CLARK OTTAWA -- If former Ontario education minister Gerard Kennedy becomes leader of the federal Liberal Party, the path to victory will have passed through Drayton Valley, Alta., a town of about 6,000 in the very un-Liberal rural riding of Yellowhead. In early June, Mr. Kennedy drove 1½ hours from Red Deer to meet eight people for 45 minutes in Drayton Valley's Dairy Queen, persuading some to help sign up new party members. "They appreciate the fact that somebody came out and visited them," said Matt Mitschke, Mr. Kennedy's rural and northern Alberta organizer. "I think there were five party members in that riding. There's a lot more than five now." While Mr. Kennedy was in Drayton Valley, Toronto MP Maurizio Bevilacqua was spending his 46th birthday in Indian Head, Sask., appearing on a local Internet-TV talk show, standing on the railway tracks with a grain elevator behind him, telling the town of 2,000 about his vision of Canada. In the last days of phase one of the Liberal leadership campaign, the name of the game was selling party memberships. And there was a mad dash to recruit new members who will be eligible to vote for the next party leader. "Politics is like sales: You've got to have the right message; you've got to have the right product," said Jim Karygiannis, MP for Scarborough-Agincourt and national campaign co-ordinator for leadership candidate Joe Volpe. "You've got to be in the right place at the right time with the right delivery. And you've got to jump on an opportunity." After today's deadline for selling new memberships, the campaigns will turn to persuading members to vote for their slate in delegate-selection meetings to be held in each of Canada's ridings from Sept. 29 to Oct. 1. Then the campaigns will lobby the roughly 5,500 delegates, seeking to become their second choice, because no candidate is expected to win on the first ballot at the convention in Montreal in December. The leadership campaign is not really about which candidate is most popular in the polls or even among Liberal voters. Only Liberal Party members will elect delegates, and each riding, whether it has 100 or 3,000 members, elects 14 delegates to go to Montreal. A campaign that recruits large numbers of new members, especially in ridings where the current membership is small, will have an edge. Recruiting probably won't determine the winner outright: the mood of delegates at the convention will probably do that. But it can move a candidate up, propelling someone in seventh place, for example, to third or fourth on the first ballot, increasing their odds of winning. It's a paper chase of membership forms and leads, telephone sales, and sleep-deprived organizers driving around to homes and mosques and meetings to find potential members and sign them up. You could mistake many of the organizers for travelling salesmen, driving from town to town.Yet they also see themselves as the people who build up the party grassroots and give more ordinary people a say. Yellowhead will elect the same number of delegates -- 14 -- as Liberal strongholds in Toronto with thousands of members, but winning a raft of delegates there requires 30 votes, not thousands. In Ontario, it takes bigger teams of organizers and volunteers. At the Toronto headquarters of the party's Ontario wing, 1,000 to 1,500 memberships a day were being dropped off early last week, mostly from the campaigns of Mr. Kennedy, Mr. Volpe, Toronto MP Michael Ignatieff, and former Ontario premier Bob Rae. Party officials were expecting the rate to climb rapidly, and ordered cordons to keep some semblance of order when organizers start lining up today. A block away, in Mr. Ignatieff's Toronto headquarters, three dozen people were crammed into what looked like a decrepit frat house above a downtown variety store, mounting a fast-paced marketing and sales campaign. In a 4-by-5-metre room with cracked plaster covering half a wall, Ken Cole, Mr. Ignatieff's Toronto-area co-ordinator, was working the phone. "You would be surprised at the number of times I've actually written 'sell, sell, sell' in e-mails," he said, smiling sheepishly. If e-mails come from people who want to join, or sign up others, they are hooked up with a local organizer. Tom Allison, the campaign's Ontario director, said he tells people who want to be convention delegates to sign up friends and family, and then anyone who might want to join. "Very few people ever get asked to join a political party," he said. Asking is a big part of campaigns. When Bob Rae's older sister, Jennifer, took a taxi to her brother's campaign headquarters last Wednesday, she brought the driver in to sign a membership form, and asked him to sign up friends. "Definitely, I will do it," said Soman Sundrum, 50, a Tamil who drives Ms. Rae often and had been a Liberal member in the past. Bob Rae has been to Sri Lanka and knows the problems there, he noted: "The Tamil community likes him." Unlike most campaigns, Mr. Rae is using professional call centres, rather than volunteers, to contact former Liberals to ask whether they would rejoin the party and support Mr. Rae. His senior Ontario organizer, Mike O'Neill, owns a political call centre firm, and insists the pros make more calls and get better results than volunteers. On Thursday, Mr. Karygiannis hit the road in an 800-kilometre semi-circle with stops in Ottawa, Montreal, Prescott, Ont., Trenton, and Toronto, in a Volpe-campaign "mop-up operation" to pester and cajole organizers. On the highway to Montreal, he drives behind a five-ton truck, smoking a cigar and bellowing into his BlackBerry. "Those two -- I want you to go in and clean house. No holds barred. I want nothing standing," he tells the caller. "You have my extreme blessing. I want that so bad I can taste it." Mr. Karygiannis -- called Jimmy K in political circles -- has just given the go-ahead to all-out organizing in two ridings held by Liberal MPs -- although he won't say which ones. There are ridings in which Mr. Volpe's campaign won't go all out, Mr. Karygiannis says. Sometimes it's a courtesy if the MP is another leadership candidate or someone who might back the campaign later. Sometimes the effort is just not worth it. There are ridings that have big numbers and signing up a few new ones won't help win new delegates. At a Tim Hortons in south Ottawa, he plays guess-the-nationality as a man walks through the parking lot. He shouts a greeting in Tamil, and discovers the man is from Guyana. Mr. Karygiannis tells him that he visited Guyana after floods there last year, when Canada provided aid, and the man, who identified himself only as Mr. Ali, starts to chat. "Let me ask you something. Do you think it's time that Canada had an ethnic prime minister?" Mr. Karygiannis asks. Joe Volpe is ethnic, somebody who immigrated to Canada just like us, he tells him. He asks if Mr. Ali wants to join the Liberal Party, and Mr. Ali gives him a telephone number so that an organizer can call. "And I have a lot of family," Mr. Ali says. Later, Mr. Karygiannis remarks on his "killer closing line" -- "Is Canada ready for an ethnic prime minister?" -- and explains how it's done. "It takes 30 seconds to zero in on an individual and figure out if you can sign them up, if you've got something in common with them." For him, it's where people come from. An MP since 1988, Mr. Karygiannis has assiduously courted ethnic communities, and has visited dozens of countries such as Somalia and Sri Lanka, often after natural disasters -- so often that his critics call him an international ambulance chaser. But he insists he is pressing the views of the communities he represents, helping push on immigration or trade matters. He helps them, and later, on campaigns like this, many help him, he says, even if he has to plead. "Put smoke signals out. Put lots of them out," he tells someone on the phone a few minutes later. "And you might want to tell them if they don't come out, my ass is grass." At lunch in Montreal, he meets with members of the local Pakistani community that he contacted through friends in the Ahmadiyya Muslim community in other cities. Led by Mubarak Ahmed, 33, they have agreed to sign up members, but they have not signed up as many as Mr. Karygiannis expected. "Okay, guys, you've disappointed me now," Mr. Karygiannis says, making Mr. Ahmed throw up his hands at the pressure. "You come in my nightmares," Mr. Ahmed says. But he smiles and promises his group will sign up 450 members by Sunday. Even as he stops to meet Rob O'Brien, a southeast Ontario organizer in the town of Prescott, Mr. Karygiannis asks about the tiny communities of Greeks, Italians and Muslims. Mr. O'Brien and another Volpe organizer, Jibril Mohamed, are pleased because they walked into an empty mosque in Kingston, found telephone numbers for the executives, and persuaded them to allow the Liberals to visit Friday to sell memberships. Mr. Karygiannis planned to be there, pushing for every new member before the deadline. "This is the reality of the campaign," he said. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:42:10 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Liberal leadership race attracts few new party members So, which is it? http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2006/01/25/1411597-cp.html Liberal leadership race attracts few new party members By JOAN BRYDEN OTTAWA (CP) - Despite a frantic, last-minute scramble to sell memberships by Tuesday's deadline, insiders predict the Liberal leadership race won't produce a dramatic infusion of new party members. The 11 leadership hopefuls had until 5 p.m. local time Tuesday to submit membership forms to the party's provincial and territorial associations. Members signed up by the deadline are eligible to take part in the party's leadership contest, which culminates at a convention in December. No immediate numbers were available but none of the camps believes the final membership tally will come close to the 500,000 recruited during the last leadership contest in 2003, when Paul Martin steamrolled to victory virtually unchallenged. "I think this leadership will have generated less sales than previous ones," said Jim Anderson, campaign manager for Toronto MP Carolyn Bennett. "Everyone's privately saying it's been a tough slog." Leslie Swartman, a key organizer for Scott Brison, the sole Atlantic candidate, agreed. "The number of memberships that are going to come in are certainly going to be much reduced from last time around," she predicted. Swartman said that means Martin's successor will be chosen by "longtime Liberal party members" rather than masses of new recruits or the so-called instant Liberals. Before the leadership race got under way in March, party membership stood at about 150,000, according to Liberal national director Steven MacKinnon. While all camps claimed to be pleased with their membership recruitment, only one - Toronto MP Joe Volpe's campaign - was willing Tuesday to talk actual numbers, which are impossible to verify at this stage. Campaign manager Jim Karygiannis said Volpe has recruited 35,000 to 37,000 new members, a number he said should put Volpe "pretty well in the lead" but which several rival camps privately deemed suspiciously high. But even Karygiannis acknowledged that membership sales are well below those of 2003. Whereas the Martin camp had years to organize and flog memberships last time, he noted that candidates had only three months this time and at least half that time was spent putting in place the cross-country organization needed to go on a recruitment drive. David Pretlove, interim executive director of the party's Ontario wing, said there are a number of reasons for the apparent lack of interest in joining the party and helping to choose its next leader. First of all, he said: "We're not in power . . . . It takes a little more work to get people to engage" Moreover, he pointed out that changes in party rules and political financing laws have severely constrained, if not eliminated, the practice of candidates purchasing memberships in bulk and simply giving them away en masse. But perhaps most significant, Pretlove said Liberals are simply tired, having been pressed into service during the past three years to work on two sets of nomination contests, two elections and now, two leaderships. "We are identifying a little bit of fatigue," Pretlove said. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:08:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Bob Boswell" Subject: Re:License Discussion I have with interest viewed the various discussion surrounding the issue of requiring a firearms license to be in possession of a firearm Many speak of a united front and yet have admonished others for considering that the proposed system being put forward by government is reasonable. How about the hand gun owners, who have sine 1934, had to register their firearms and prior to 1995 required a permit to transport or convey in order to move that gun. Post 1995 a simple authorization to transport covered most of the pre 1995 permit requirement. In fact it could be said that the firearms act made it easier for owners of restricted firearms to move their firearm about the country. Should we throw this out because if you revert of pre 1995 this has to go too. Is it possible that we should consider accepting the proposed changes which have come about due to internal party lobbying, albeit not exactly as some would like, and continue to work within the party to put forward a system that is workable for both the owner and law enforcement agencies? I think it highly unlikely that we can convince any party to adopt a policy that does not require any authorization or certificate to be in possession of a firearm, but that does not mean we should not work toward resolution of the current conflict with the government position. Does this mean we should stop supporting the only party that has paid any attention to our plight simply because we didn't get exactly what we wanted? I think not. If enough electoral district associations submit a resolution to amend the party position on this issue it will come before the membership for discussion at the next party policy convention. So my suggestion is quit whining about what has taken place and put your efforts into having the current policy changed by working from within. In reality I personally believe that we firearms owners do not carry a lot of clout at the ballot box but I do know that a 1/2 dozen in each electoral district association can have a major impact on how that association views firearms owners and the issues surrounding them. Get 308 associations raising the issue and something will be done.. 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