From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #623 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, July 12 2006 Volume 09 : Number 623 In this issue: Re: COLUMN: WHY CITIZENS MUST OWN AND CARRY FIREARMS Violent Robberies Make It Hard to Ignore D.C.'s Vicious Side Metis take aim at hunting rights in south; Cash, rifles found hidden on farm of suspect's father, court Cash, rifles found hidden on farm of suspect's father, court Man spotted in Sask. not suspect, police say Man Dies Of Injuries After Being Shot Guardian Angels get cold reception in Toronto Atrocities and Traitors ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:25:55 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: COLUMN: WHY CITIZENS MUST OWN AND CARRY FIREARMS - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Hudson" > On 2006 Jul 12, at 8:23 AM, Majordomo User wrote: > >> >> WHY CITIZENS MUST OWN AND CARRY FIREARMS >> by Ben Shapiro - July 11, 2006 11:58 PM EST >> >> http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/16045.html > > Law enforcement is by its very nature reactive. The police cannot > arrest people before they have committed any crimes, a la "Minority > Report." Citizens should not expect that the police will be able to > prevent all crime -- there must always be an initial crime in order for > police to prevent subsequent crimes. > However the exception to this rule is the peaceful demonstrators who were pepper sprayed by the RCMP in BC during one of the worlds` worst dictators` meetings with Cretin / another is the incident when peaceful out of work marchers were machine-gunned out west when it was their PEACEFUL intention to march on Ottawa to co-erce Ottawa to help them find jobs. In both instances no law was broken. It was the use of force by our employees in Ottawa. might is right. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:26:09 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Violent Robberies Make It Hard to Ignore D.C.'s Vicious Side PUBLICATION: The Washington Post SECTION: Metro DATE: 2006.07.12 PAGE: B01 BYLINE: Courtland Milloy WORD COUNT: 856 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Violent Robberies Make It Hard to Ignore D.C.'s Vicious Side - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You're leaving a restaurant in Adams Morgan or withdrawing cash from an ATM on H Street NE. You're sightseeing on the Mall with your girlfriend or standing in your driveway in Georgetown. You might even be in a wheelchair. Suddenly, the gates of hell open, and some punk puts a gun in your face or a knife to your throat. You're being robbed -- and if all you lose is money, you can thank your lucky stars. A new crime trend is unfolding in the District -- and some suburbs, too: an increase in armed robberies committed by thugs whose motivation appears to be less about getting money than inflicting pain. For even if you comply with demands to hand over your belongings, you are still likely to be assaulted, raped, kidnapped or killed. Much of this crime is being committed by adolescents. "So far this year, we've had a 95 percent increase in juveniles arrested for robberies, and it's not uncommon to have physical assaults in the process," D.C. Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey told me. "Young black males, in groups of five to six, ages 13 to 15, are displaying handguns and beating their victims." Accompanying the increase in juvenile arrests for armed robbery has been an increase in juveniles arrested for carrying handguns -- a combination that Ramsey finds particularly disturbing. "We're dealing with adolescents who have no remorse, no regrets," he said. And they are well armed. Violent robberies are certainly nothing new in the Washington area. In some low-income neighborhoods, winter months bring a predictable rise in homicides associated with robberies of name-brand coats. To a certain extent, however, these black-on-black crimes seem to be of interest only to the victims, their families and closest friends. Any attention from city officials or the media tends to be superficial and short-lived. Not so this time. The latest trend in armed robberies includes the most volatile mix in the annals of American crime: black-on-white violence. The sense of security among the affluent and influential has been shaken. They were supposed to be safe. Gentrification demolished the largest public housing complexes and got rid of the most troublesome tenants. The new D.C. featured an "entertainment core" to die for -- a refurbished downtown that sparkled with upscale restaurants, fancy boutiques and swank nightclubs. Crime dropped, and everybody who had stayed away because of fear was being lured back by Mayor Anthony A. Williams, whose greatest claim to fame was that he was not Marion Barry. But the all-clear sign from city hall is turning out to be premature. Even the Mall, for years all but exempt from crime, has been the scene of a brutal rape and robbery. The District has the largest disparity between rich and poor of any city in the country; the well-to-do may be enjoying their wealth too much to really notice. But the geographic distance between the two groups could hardly be smaller, and now there's apparently more resentment to go with the proximity. "We've got a lot of new people who are not accustomed to living in an urban environment," Ramsey said. "They'll park blocks away from a restaurant or a nightclub, then come out in the early morning hours, cut through side streets and become easy prey." Of course, this is not to suggest that the victims were somehow in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's not the victims' fault. Elderly black women have been mugged, had their purses snatched and identities stolen -- to say nothing of their dignity -- and all they were doing was heading home from a hard night's work at a hospital or office building. Here's part of the problem: Juveniles, many of whom have been robbed themselves -- ripped off by parents and schools and communities that couldn't care less about them -- have become hardened and increasingly violent. According to D.C. police, 420 juveniles taken into custody on armed-robbery charges in the city this year had been arrested before. Including the robbery case, 144 of them have been arrested twice; 102, three times; 74, four times; 44, five times; 29, six times; 10, seven times; five, eight times; five, nine times; three, 10 times; one, 11 times; one, 12 times; and two, 14 times. "You do a robbery and get caught for the fifth time, and they send you to Oak Hill," Ramsey said, referring to the city's juvenile detention facility in Laurel, "and you stay for three months. "Then you get released to a group home, and nobody tells us that you've been released because juvenile court proceedings are secret. We know nothing about your release until you get arrested for the sixth time. To most of them, it's just a joke." Last fall, Ramsey began deploying more police officers to neighborhoods experiencing a surge in armed robberies. He also increased the reward for information leading to the arrests of armed robbers from $5,000 to $10,000. But it's unlikely that money and police alone will solve the problem. The city is being terrorized -- and, as residents of many low-income neighborhoods will tell you, it's been that way for years. When discussing terrorism abroad, we talk about giving would-be terrorists a better choice -- of giving them hope of a better life and providing them with the tools to help them realize the fruits of freedom and democracy. Now that the homegrown terrorists have our attention, maybe it would be a good time to show how that's done -- in the nation's capital. E-mail:milloyc@washpost.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:26:12 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Metis take aim at hunting rights in south; PUBLICATION: Sault Star (ON) DATE: 2006.07.12 SECTION: Local news PAGE: A3 BYLINE: Michael Purvis PHOTO: Michael purvis - sault star ILLUSTRATION: Kevin Lachapelle, 12, of Timmins, takes careful aim duringslingshot competition at Tuesday morning's Voyageur Games that are part of the Metis Nation of Ontario's Annual General Assembly at Ojibway Park. WORD COUNT: 291 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Metis take aim at hunting rights in south; 'Line in the sand' is French River;; MNO argues history says otherwise - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nearly three years after the ground-breaking Powley decision, hunting and fishing rights are still high on the agenda for the Metis Nation of Ontario. At dispute now is the area south of the French River - southern Ontario. "The Ontario government is still adamant that we have no rights in these areas," said Brent McHale, provincial councillor for Region 4, which encompasses Sault Ste. Marie. Members of the MNO's provisional council have gathered in Garden River First Nation this week for their Annual General Assembly. As provincial councillors meet today, McHale said they will be deciding what direction to take to ensure their harvesting rights are protected in the post-Powley era. The landmark case originated in Sault Ste. Marie in 1993 after Steve Powley and his son Roddy, both Metis, were charged for killing a bull moose without a provincial licence. The case was appealed to the Supreme Court, which ultimately ruled that about 900 Metis in the Sault area can hunt for food without licenses and out of season. The MNO then negotiated a deal with the province that secured harvesting certificates for eligible Metis in Ontario. It's what the MNO did after that decision that has come back to haunt them, said McHale. He said an "outline map" was placed on the organization's website, showing what was meant, to give only a rough location of Metis traditional harvesting grounds. "Unfortunately, the MNR (Ministry of Natural Resources) has taken that map and said if you're outside these bounds, we'll charge you," said McHale. Effectively, he said, "the line's in the sand." In the meantime, "Our citizens came forward and said that map is way wrong," said McHale, who is captain of the hunt for the Sault area. "We have historic fact and proof that there are historic (Metis) communities . . . as far (south) as Windsor," he said. While McHale said otherwise the new system has run smoothly and MNR officials have generally been "very cordial with our people," the MNO would prefer if these differences were ironed out via talks with the province, rather than through costly court cases. "Let's sit down and negotiate in a civil manner," said McHale. The Annual General Assembly continues until Friday. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:27:23 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Cash, rifles found hidden on farm of suspect's father, court http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2006/07/12/dagenais-court.html Cash, rifles found hidden on farm of suspect's father, court told Last Updated: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 | 1:57 PM CT CBC News The father of the prime suspect in last Friday's shooting of two Saskatchewan RCMP officers will remain in jail for a few more days after a bail hearing Wednesday in North Battleford. Arthur Dagenais, 69, was arrested on July 8, the morning after Const. Robin Cameron and Const. Marc Bourdages were wounded near the farming community of Mildred, about 140 kilometres west of Prince Albert. Both officers are still in serious condition at a Saskatoon hospital. The elder Dagenais was later charged with obstruction of justice in connection with the police search for his son, Curtis. On Wednesday, the Crown told the court that Arthur Dagenais defied a police order to stay away from a restricted area where RCMP officers were seeking his son. Crown prosecutors also said police found $27,000 in cash and two rifles hidden in a piece of machinery on Art Dagenais's farm. The Crown wants Arthur Dagenais to stay in jail until his trial, saying he has a 20-year history of animosity toward police officers. The court was also told that Curtis Dagenais phoned his father while on the run from police in the hours after the shooting, saying he was worried that his old truck wouldn't be able to outrun the RCMP. "The implication was that he was running from the police and he was crying, and before they could discuss anything futher, the telephone call quit," said lawyer Lori Gollan, who is representing Arthur Dagenais. The judge is not expected to rule on Arthur Dagenais's application for bail until Friday. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:30:22 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Cash, rifles found hidden on farm of suspect's father, court http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2006/07/12/dagenais-court.html Cash, rifles found hidden on farm of suspect's father, court told Last Updated: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 | 1:57 PM CT CBC News The father of the prime suspect in last Friday's shooting of two Saskatchewan RCMP officers will remain in jail for a few more days after a bail hearing Wednesday in North Battleford. Arthur Dagenais, 69, was arrested on July 8, the morning after Const. Robin Cameron and Const. Marc Bourdages were wounded near the farming community of Mildred, about 140 kilometres west of Prince Albert. Both officers are still in serious condition at a Saskatoon hospital. The elder Dagenais was later charged with obstruction of justice in connection with the police search for his son, Curtis. On Wednesday, the Crown told the court that Arthur Dagenais defied a police order to stay away from a restricted area where RCMP officers were seeking his son. Crown prosecutors also said police found $27,000 in cash and two rifles hidden in a piece of machinery on Art Dagenais's farm. The Crown wants Arthur Dagenais to stay in jail until his trial, saying he has a 20-year history of animosity toward police officers. The court was also told that Curtis Dagenais phoned his father while on the run from police in the hours after the shooting, saying he was worried that his old truck wouldn't be able to outrun the RCMP. "The implication was that he was running from the police and he was crying, and before they could discuss anything futher, the telephone call quit," said lawyer Lori Gollan, who is representing Arthur Dagenais. The judge is not expected to rule on Arthur Dagenais's application for bail until Friday. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:30:22 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Man spotted in Sask. not suspect, police say http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060710/mounties_shooting_060711?s_name=&no_ads= Man spotted in Sask. not suspect, police say Updated Wed. Jul. 12 2006 2:56 PM ET CTV.ca News Staff Saskatchewan police said Wednesday they don't believe a man who was spotted along a highway on the weekend is the suspect sought in the shooting of two RCMP officers. "The police have said that they do not believe that those sightings were in fact Curtis Dagenais, yet they haven't put a name to the face of the person people saw," CTV's Norma Reid reported from Saskatchewan. Police received two separate reports of a man in his 40s standing in a ditch outside the Spiritwood, Sask. search area Saturday afternoon. One of the witnesses said the person in question closely resembled Dagenais. Sgt. Brian Jones told The Canadian Press search teams are continuing to look for any evidence of Curtis Alfred Dagenais in the area around Spiritwood, where Const. Robin Cameron, 29, and Const. Marc Bourdages, 26, were shot Friday night after responding to a domestic disturbance in Mildred. The officers remain in serious condition in a Saskatoon hospital. Meanwhile, the father of the shooting suspect, who was arrested and charged with obstruction over the weekend, appeared in court for a bail hearing on Wednesday. Court heard the Crown prosecutor describe Arthur Dagenais as having a troubled relationship with the RCMP. "At one point in the early '90s, he filed a lawsuit and charges against some RCMP officers that he accused of beating him and leaving him on the highway," CTV's Mark Rogstad reported after the court appearance. "Those charges were eventually stayed, so nothing ever came of that," he said. Court also heard that the RCMP found $27,000 cash and two firearms when they searched Arthur Dagenais' farm over the weekend. "Consequently Arthur has also been charged with storing an unregistered firearm," Rogstad said. "The judge was a little bit concerned about that, saying it appears that perhaps Mr. Dagenais would not abide by a court order to keep the piece and be of good nature if he was released on this charge of obstruction of justice." Dagenais' lawyer explained to the court that his client preferred to keep his savings on his own property and conduct his business using cash. In fact, she told reporters that Dagenais paid her retainer with a six-inch stack of $20 bills. The provincial court judge has reserved her decision on Dagenais' bail. With a reports from CTV's Mark Rogstad and Norma Reid ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:30:23 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Man Dies Of Injuries After Being Shot http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_1909.aspx Man Dies Of Injuries After Being Shot Wednesday July 12, 2006 Toronto police are investigating the city's latest murder after a 22-year-old man was shot to death in a downtown rooming house overnight. Kemar Brown was taken to St. Michael's Hospital with two bullet wounds to the chest, and was pronounced dead shortly thereafter. The murder marks the city's 15th shooting death so far in 2006. Witnesses near the scene of the crime at Church and Dundas Sts. reported hearing three gunshots and seeing two people fleeing the building. "Just heard the bang. The bang and the smash were almost instantaneous, like he got shot and went through a window or something," said Terry Conroy, who says he saw the shooting happen from his bedroom window. "You could see the flashes come from in that room." A friend of the victim ran out into the street following the fatal gunfire, which occurred at about 10pm, and called for help. He managed to flag down a police car in the area and led them to the scene. Officers and paramedics arrived at the upstairs residence to find the Brown in bad shape - they tried to revive him for about 15 minutes before rushing him to hospital. Investigators have taken the friend in for questioning. They're hoping surveillance cameras at the building in question or a neighbouring one may have caught the people responsible on tape. "The deceased in this case is known to the Toronto Police Service," Sgt. Garry Giroux said. "I can indicate to you we have two suspects at this point in time that were seen running from the scene. Interviews are ongoing with regards to individuals in the area that have come forward." No names have been released. The rooming house was still sealed off Wednesday afternoon and some people in the area are blaming this fatal shooting on a lack of security in the area, not from police, but from the Guardian Angles. The Church and Dundas area is one of the neighbourhoods the group wants to patrol. "I know what their record is in New York ... and what they've done there and these streets need patrol," Conroy said. The controversial group, deemed unwelcome by the city, held a graduation ceremony Tuesday night. Concerned residents in the Church, Jarvis and Shuter area are holding a meeting with police and various members of city council Thursday morning concerning violence in the area. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:30:23 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Guardian Angels get cold reception in Toronto http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20060712/guardian_angels_060712/20060712/?hub=TorontoHome Guardian Angels get cold reception in Toronto CTV.ca News Staff Less than an hour after the first class of Toronto Guardian Angels members graduated, a man was killed after being shot inside a nearby downtown apartment. Kemar Brown, 22, was shot twice in the chest on the second floor of 219 Church St., south of Dundas Street, at about 9:30 p.m. Witnesses reported hearing three gunshots and seeing two men flee the area on foot. Brown has a lengthy criminal record and was before the courts on outstanding charges, police said. He died at St. Michael's Hospital. Police said Brown lived in Toronto but not in the rooming house where he was shot. Investigators are trying to determine what he was doing there. Officers searched the area where the two suspects were seen running, and will be reviewing surveillance videos from behind the building and from the nearby Ryerson University campus. The death marks Toronto's 15th shooting homicide of the year, and 35th murder of 2006. The incident took place near Allan Gardens park where the first class of Guardian Angels received their diplomas and became full-fledged members of the volunteer street patrol group. The New York-based organization was met with another cold reception Tuesday night as police blocked them from entering the William Dennison Senior's Residence on Dundas Street East where they were invited to hold their ceremony. The Toronto Community Housing Corporation objected to the Guardian Angels' visit. Group founder Curtis Sliwa said it was part of a plan developed in the highest levels of city government. The recruits were forced to receive their red berets, jackets and certificates at nearby Allan Gardens park. The Guardian Angels have been called "vigilantes" by Toronto politicians and police officials, but they are praised by others who feel their presence on the streets will deter crime and the recent escalation of gang and gun violence. The group has made two unsuccessful attempts to establish a permanent foothold in Toronto in the past, in 1992 and 1982. Lou Hoffer, the national director of the Canadian branch, said the unwelcome response by Mayor David Miller and Police Chief Bill Blair is ridiculous. "It's unfounded, it's out of ignorance of the organization. I mean we have a 27-year track record -- we're now in over 80 cities around the world as the world's largest safety patrol organization," Hoffer, a former Toronto police officer, told CTV's Canada AM on Wednesday. "It's absurd that in this day and age there is still skepticism around the organization." Hoffer said supporters of the group include former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, current mayor Michael Bloomberg and the city's police commissioner. "It's absurd that Mayor Miller and Police Chief Blair wouldn't just pick up the phone and call these gentlemen and find out more and become educated on our organization," he said. Hoffer said the Guardian Angels are becoming more popular across Canada, and the group receives more than 100 emails a day showing support. "Citizens are expressing an immense amount of interest in having the organizations come to their city," he said, adding plans are underway in Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Saskatoon and Ottawa. Among the first graduates of Toronto's chapter included Holly Weisflock, who said she wants to "make a difference in the community." "I had been involved in '92, and when I heard they were coming around again I got all excited and I just couldn't say no," she said on Canada AM. "I just wanted to be out there on the streets again and making a difference." Weisflock said three months of training included self-defense classes, scenario training, first aid and legal discussions about what they can and can't do as citizens. She said she doesn't fear for her safety because members travel in groups of at least four. The several dozen new recruits are set to begin patrolling Toronto on Thursday night. With files from CTV Toronto's Jim Junkin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:33:11 -0600 (CST) From: Karl Zimmer Subject: Atrocities and Traitors All you ever hear about, these days (still), is Nazi war crimes from a regime that has been dead as a dodo for 61 years. Next to nil about Communists and even less from the 'allies' and their ilk. People honestly don't *get it* that the victor writes the histories. That those dang awful evwil Nazis are gone....gone and ain't, never, comin' back! This article below should make you sick to your stomach and is based upon a new book: http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_4028285 Makes you wonder about what other c**p the USA/Canada/not-so-Great Britain was involved in at some point? Then there's the Soviets. Them Soviets. What does this gotta do with guns, you say? Lots! The criminals and traitors who are agitating for endless wars are the same ones who are invloved with s**t like the above. As long as scum like this is scurrying around in Washington et al we will always, always, be sold down the river. They are the ones who trump up this "War on Terror" bulls**t and very probably caused it in the first place through covert action and policies*. Eventually, for the "safety" of all invloved they'll start gun grabbing and further militarizing the police. Whether they be LIEberal or CONservative they are all the same excrement from the same dungheap of corruption and arrogance. *It doesn't help that they are probably intentionally wanting the Middle East to be ruled by stupid, backward, leadership with a medieval islamic mindset. They've knocked off all secular ones. Divide & Conquer and take their oil! Meanwhile the fundie Islamicists come here with suitcase nukes and try to do something about the American/Canuck Satan out of sheer desperation/hate. We, meanwhile, jump on the "terror" bandwagon and mindlessly give up our freedoms so some chickens**t warhawks can line their pockets and reengineer our society (annhilate the middle class for the likes of Enron) for some as yet unknown purpose. Funny how you see these "leaders" always invloved with some sort of slimeballery of some kind: Bush, Clinton, Kissinger, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc, etc. Has any of them ever done a hard days work or fought on the front lines? 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