From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #632 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, July 14 2006 Volume 09 : Number 632 In this issue: CPC just like the Liberals and maybe worse Re: CPC just like the Liberals and maybe worse Fw: JPFO ALERT: WHY DO GOOD MEN DO NOTHING? Re: Do you trust the CPC poll results/and new poll Re: CPC just like the Liberals and maybe worse The experts Yeah Right RE: Reviews of Cukier's book on the "global gun epidemic." My letter to the Toronto Star Re: Doubt cast on tough gun law Right again Re: The experts GOVERNOR BUSH NOTES CORRELATION WASHINGTON, D.C., ONCE AGAIN GRAPHICALLY ILLUSTRATES THE Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #625 See what the UN has in store for us Canadian Mental Health Hotline Global "News" at 11pm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:33:50 -0600 (CST) From: "B&C Beaudoin" Subject: CPC just like the Liberals and maybe worse Bruce wrote: >But they aren't even adhering to the Party Policy - not to mention the >promises they've been making to us for the past decade! That is what >we've been trying to tell you! >From the June 22 GB press release: >As for me, I intend to keep working with Prime Minister Stephen Harper, = Public Safety Minister Stock >Day, Justice Minister Vic Tows, and my = caucus colleagues to keep the promise I made to my constituents >in = Yorktown-Melville and to my supporters across Canada when I stated: "Our firearms policy will effectively >return our gun laws to the way they = were before 1995 - except for the mandatory minimum sentences that >we = propose to increase. Then I personally promise that I will start the = task of fixing all the flaws in federal >firearm laws by requiring that = they be subjected to a public safety test administered by the Auditor = General >of Canada. My proposal includes a sunset clause on all gun = control laws that have been proven by the >Auditor General not to be = cost effective at reducing the criminal use of firearms and improving = public >safety."=20 Looks like they are trying to keep their promises to me.... Regards, Brad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:58:24 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: CPC just like the Liberals and maybe worse B&C Beaudoin wrote: >Bruce wrote: >>But they aren't even adhering to the Party Policy - not to mention the >>promises they've been making to us for the past decade! That is what >>we've been trying to tell you! > >From the June 22 GB press release: > > As for *me*, I intend to keep working with Prime Minister Stephen Harper, > Public Safety Minister Stock Day, Justice Minister Vic Tows, and my > caucus colleagues to keep the promise I made to my constituents in > Yorktown-Melville and to my supporters across Canada when I stated: [...] > Looks like they are trying to keep their promises to me.... Looks to me like *GARRY* is trying to keep *HIS* promise to us, and we should be eternally grateful that he is sticking to his principles. But I get the feeling that he isn't making much headway. Unfortunately, Garry is much too loyal a party man to say so in public. You're grasping at straws, Brad. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:08:43 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Fw: JPFO ALERT: WHY DO GOOD MEN DO NOTHING? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JPFO Webmaster" To: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 2:25 PM Subject: JPFO ALERT: WHY DO GOOD MEN DO NOTHING? ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization July 14, 2006 JPFO ALERT: WHY DO GOOD MEN DO NOTHING? It is said that all that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. This begs the question of WHY good men do nothing in the face of evil. Find out with our latest article, "Why Do Good Men Do Nothing?", available at www.jpfo.org/donothing.htm . In it, noted author Wendy McElroy dissects the psychology and motivation of those people who simply accept increasingly oppressive infringements in their daily life rather than fighting against them. After reading "Why Good Men Do Nothing", please take a moment to read about our newest project, "The Gang" at www.jpfo.org/thegang.htm . This faceless, brutal, unaccountable agency exemplifies the evil that many of us have accepted for far too long. And it's time we stopped doing "nothing" about it. - - The Liberty Crew PS: For those who have been following the KT Ordnance saga ( http://www.jpfo.org/alert20060608.htm ), we have very good news! In conjunction with JPFO, the online community "The Claire Files" ( www.tcftalk.com/clairefiles ) is holding a fundraising auction for Rick and his family. Help out a fellow gun-rights activist and get some great stuff as well! More auctions will follow, and we'll keep you posted. 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Fax: 1-262-673-9746 Web: http://www.jpfo.org/ ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:09:37 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Do you trust the CPC poll results/and new poll - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ross" > Question 1)DO YOU THINK THE CPC WILL SCRAP C-68 AS PROMISED > > YES OR NO... NO > 2) Question 2) Do you think the cpc will betray the firearms owners who > brought them to power > > Yes or no YES ed/ontario> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:10:11 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: CPC just like the Liberals and maybe worse - ----- Original Message ----- From: "B&C Beaudoin" > Bruce wrote: > >>But they aren't even adhering to the Party Policy - not to mention the >>promises they've been making to us for the past decade! That is what >>we've been trying to tell you! > > >>From the June 22 GB press release: > >>As for me, I intend to keep working with Prime Minister Stephen Harper, = > Public Safety Minister Stock >Day, Justice Minister Vic Tows, and my = > caucus colleagues to keep the promise I made to my constituents >in = > Yorktown-Melville and to my supporters across Canada when I stated: "Our > firearms policy will effectively >return our gun laws to the way they = > were before 1995 - except for the mandatory minimum sentences that >we = > propose to increase. Then I personally promise that I will start the = > task of fixing all the flaws in federal >firearm laws by requiring that = > they be subjected to a public safety test administered by the Auditor = > General >of Canada. My proposal includes a sunset clause on all gun = > control laws that have been proven by the >Auditor General not to be = > cost effective at reducing the criminal use of firearms and improving = > public >safety."=20 > > Looks like they are trying to keep their promises to me.... > > Regards, > Brad IF GB was able to do anything why wasnt he kept in the front lines of the gun registry fiasco?I am sure GB`s heart is in the right place but without support from Harper he is dead in the water. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:10:53 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: The experts Criminologists , Police, Justice ministers etc these are the experts that the media quote as saying long sentences are not a deterrent to crime. I say. BS. If a criminal is put behind bars for ten years for the commission of a crime, society is free from that person committing another crime until after he or she is released. Do i care if the Perp learns that crime doesnt pay... not at all. When he re-ofends he gets a longer stretch because he now has a history, so for the next twenty years or so, society is again protected from this perp doing ahy crimes until his or her release. So these so called experts are nothing but grant suckers who cling to the government teat for money while they throw about their theories which as experts , they tell us that long jail sentences dont work. Tell that to Colin Thatcher who got how long (20 years). bet he wont get out for a while yet . Giove a long hard sentence, the poerson is out of circulation and cannot commit a crime as a result of being incarcerated. So to the so called experts... go suck an egg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:19:05 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: Yeah Right Sct Johnson wrote an article about the edmonto Police. He loses his argument herer when he stated to the readers they would be wise to remember a quote which supposedly explains why we have police, that they are "... our bodyguards; our hired fists..." to "do the dirty work of protecting us -- the work we are too afraid, too unskilled, or to civilized to do ourselves." The Polcie are the paid thugs of the state. We are them, they are us, they do it full time, we dont. They chose their carreer. The Police do not do the dirty work to protect us, and more often than not, they are not around when the bodies hit the floor. . The Police do not have any mandate to protect us individualy. God help the homeowner who defends himself, because these paid thugs will now focus their attention on you and yours, put a boot on your neck as they handcuff you and carry you off to jail for having had the balls to defend your family. They will exert the full weight of the state on your bones until they break. You have to ask who is to be truly feared. The criminal during a home invasion, or the Police when they find out you defended yourself and hurt/killed/maimed the criminal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:42:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Pook" Subject: RE: Reviews of Cukier's book on the "global gun epidemic." Great Post Geoffrey! Be sure to vote "YES" at the end of each review to show Amazon that the reveiws were "useful" to you. Any of you who have seen the book should write a review also. Jim Pook Tahsis, BC Vancouver Island-North ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:50:03 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Toronto Star Just submitted, not yet printed. WRITE A LETTER, DAMMIT! - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Doubt cast on tough gun law Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:43:35 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: Editor - Toronto Star The Star trumpets some document cobbled together by liberal-appointed bureaucrats in the Department of Justice that - gasp! - agrees with long-held Liberal Party hug-a-thug doctrines, and proves the Conservative's "tough on crime" policies wrong. Well, who'da thunk it? I always get a chuckle when "experts" like Anthony Doob trot out their nonsense about how it's the fear of apprehension, not the fear of punishment, that acts as a deterrent to crime. If this were true, we wouldn't need sentences or other forms of punishment at all - once the poor misguided criminal was caught, he'd be so scared that he'd never commit another crime again! What a ludicrous belief! Anyone with half a brain can see that this is utter rubbish. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding: Florida just announced that their crime rate is the lowest it has been since 1971. This is because they passed their 10-20-LIFE law for the use of a gun in the commission of a crime, have strengthened self-defence provisions by removing the requirement that victims must flee their attackers if at all possible, and making "Shall Issue" concealed carry firearms permits available to qualified law abiding citizens. Now, that's what I call "crime control". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:54:42 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Doubt cast on tough gun law > In a May 2006 memo to Justice Minister Vic Toews, obtained by the > Toronto Star through an access to information request, the department > said a "high number" of studies "have shown that mandatory minimum > sentences for firearm offences have not resulted in a decrease in crime > rates." > > The memo was prepared the same day the Tories introduced legislation in > the House of Commons to toughen minimum sentences for gun crimes. It > says the department could find only one Canadian study, published in > 1983, showing that tougher gun laws led to fewer firearm-related crimes. > > The memo also cited five U.S. studies that established a link between > mandatory minimum sentences and lower crime rates. > Other documents obtained by the Star include a March 2006 report > prepared by the Justice Department summarizing research on mandatory > minimum sentences for gun crimes. That report examined 22 studies from > Canada, the United States and Australia — and most found no correlation > between tougher sentencing and lower crime rates. Does anyone know, or have access to, the documents referred to in this story? Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:06:56 -0600 (CST) From: Len Miller Subject: Right again To: Jerrold Lundgard <10x@telus.net> Cc: Garry Breitkreuz , Firearms digest , Vic Toews , Mike Ackermann , Stock day Digest V9 # 631 Jerrold is very right on two points . . First when he says ''Sadly My Liberal party membership does not put me on the Liberal party mailing list so I can attend riding association meetings. Nor do I get a renewal notice when my membership expires. Something is rotten in the Liberal party.'' Which is what the CPC has done since they sandbagged our constituency and formed the 'new' CPC party without ANY notification to the still registered Reformers, whose membership was graciously extended . . not . . . NOT once has the present president shown recognition to former Reformers. So, you may be sure, with the exclusionary practices, the CPC will never replace the Liberals in South Vancouver . . Second . . Jerrold is right again when he says Could someone name one time in Canada since December 1, 1998 that this minimum sentence was imposed for a firearms offence? What he and the gun community may not know . . . NO JUDGE had ever used, nor imposed the 'gun sentence' from the time of Trudeau . . And, what he and many of you DO know, the 'gun sentence' was IN ADDITION to . . . not 'instead of' . . and to be served independent to, and following the expiration of the CRIME SENTENCE . . Regards Len Miller Vancouvcer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:17:20 -0600 (CST) From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: The experts At 02:10 PM 7/14/2006 -0600, you wrote: >Criminologists , Police, Justice ministers etc these are the experts >that the media quote as saying long sentences are not a deterrent to crime. Long sentences are a deterent to crime if they are used consistently. Long prison sentences that are not used means that both the public and criminals loose respect for the law and the courts. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:58:22 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Subject: GOVERNOR BUSH NOTES CORRELATION To: Canadian Firearms Digest Cc: "Garry Breitkreuz M.P." , "Gary Merasty M.P." , Lon Borgerson , New Democratic Party , Paul Martin , Gilles Duceppe , Jack Layton , Premier Lorne Calvert , Premier Ralph Klein , Prime Minister Harper , Ralph Goodale , Sask Liberal Party , "Stockwell Day M.P." , Supreme Court Canada , "Vic Toews M.P." , Wayne Easter GOVERNOR BUSH NOTES CORRELATION BETWEEN ARMED, LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS AND FLORIDA'S LOWER CRIME RATE When queried this week about his state's declining crime rate, Florida Governor Jeb Bush (R) told reporters from the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, "Law abiding citizens that have guns for protection actually probably are part of the reason we have a lower crime rate." Florida is one of 40 states with Right-to-Carry statutes that allow their law-abiding citizens to carry a concealed firearm for self-defense. In addition, the state last year passed NRA-backed "Castle Doctrine" legislation that allows citizens to "stand their ground" and defend themselves against an attacker in a place where they have a legal right to be. Florida's crime rate dropped for the 14th straight year and the crime rate is currently at its lowest level since 1971. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:00:01 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Subject: WASHINGTON, D.C., ONCE AGAIN GRAPHICALLY ILLUSTRATES THE WASHINGTON, D.C., ONCE AGAIN GRAPHICALLY ILLUSTRATES THE FAILURE OF GUN CONTROL Washington, D.C.'s ban on handguns and on using guns for protection at home exists throughout the entire city. Now, so does the fear of violent crime. In the American city with the most restrictive "gun control" laws, a "crime emergency" has been declared, following 13 murders in only 11 days, as well as a spike in robberies and assaults. D.C.'s police chief, Charles Ramsey, issued the declaration on July 11, the third time he has done so in the last four years. "It used to be almost 80 percent of criminals, if not higher, were arrested in areas near where they live," Chief Ramsey said. "Now we're starting to see a trend where more and more people are being arrested in places they do not live in." In a recent, highly publicized crime of this type, a British man had his throat cut and his woman companion was nearly raped in D.C.'s affluent, trendy, and usually peaceful Georgetown neighborhood. The main suspects in the murder, both from other neighborhoods, have criminal records, one for armed robbery and a drug charge, the other for drug offense and probation violation, and both are suspected of committing at least two robberies in Georgetown in recent weeks. Even the Washington Mall, a popular location for people touring the city's historic landmarks, has been plagued by crime recently. After a rash of robberies in May, a new string of robberies has begun around the Washington Monument. D.C.'s delegate to Congress, Eleanor Holmes-Norton (D), has called for increased patrols in the Mall area. But we won't hold our breath waiting for her to join NRA in calling for repeal of the city's anti-gun, anti-self-defense laws. Holmes-Norton is one of the chief obstructionists to that long overdue reform. Please be sure to contact your U.S. Senators and Representative and ask them to cosponsor and support S. 1082 and H.R. 1288-- the Senate and House versions of the "District of Columbia Personal Protection Act"-- and restore the constitutionally-guaranteed Second Amendment rights of the residents of the District of Columbia. You can call your U.S. Senators at (202) 224-3121, or your U.S. Representative at (202) 225-3121. nra ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:22:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Marc Thibault" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #625 Jules asks > How does a party with a minority in parliament begin to undertake > radical surgery on the mess it inherited? It begins by trying. Put a motion to repeal sections 91 and 92 before the house as often as the rules will allow and force the opposition to repeatedly vote in favor of making mere possssion of a gun a crime. At the very least, this will keep the opposition coming to work every day the house is sitting. This will royally piss off the Liberals. Use Orders in Council to remove small handguns and hunting rifles from the prohibited list. Do the same to make PALs valid for the lifetime of the holder. Rewrite the regulations to make ATTs non-expiring and valid across the country. Rewrite the regulation on safe storage so that it is clear, precise and can't be used as a general-purpose charge by the police. Provide an amnesty period for gun owners to come into compliance. Rewrite the regulation on range construction to be precise about berm height, signage, etc. (The dimwit inspector responsible for our area made us get rid of the internationally-recognized red flags and had us put up signs that say "Range Closed" to mean the range is not in use and "Range Open" for range is in use. You can imagine the confusion the "Range Closed" sign creates. He also had us spend tens of thousands of dollars increasing berm height to extend their shadow over an extra hundred yards of swampland. The frogs were delighted. A firearms inspector who has no understanding of ballistics would be entertaining if he weren't so expensive.) I could go on. Killing the act by the death of a thousand cuts is not efficient, but it is effective. Day's pansy moves so far speak of a party that wishes it hadn't had to promise to kill the registry to get elected. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:52:47 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: See what the UN has in store for us As firearms owners, the Un is trying hard to remove our means of self defence under the various guises of peace order good government and "if we can save the children". While the above URl is off topic as it concerns bias in the UN concerning Israel, we need only change a few words around to represent firearms owners to see what will happen to us if the UN is sucessful. It is already happeing in that pro gun movement is not given the same podioum rights as the anti gun. Perhaps our step B is to take on the UN and the CPC at the same time. One can embarass the other. http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_faq_palestine_un_anti_israel_bias.php ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:59:07 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Canadian Mental Health Hotline Hello, you've reached the Canadian Mental Health hotline. If you are obsessive/compulsive, press 1 repeatedly. If you are co-dependant, ask someone to press 2 for you. If you have multiple personalities, press 3, 4, 5 and 6. If you are paranoid, we know what you are and what you want. Stay on the line and we'll trace your call. If you're delusional, press 7 and your call will be transferred to the mother ship. If you are schitzophrenic, listen carefully and a small voice will tell you which number to press. If you're depressed, it doesn't matter which number you press. No one will answer you. If you are dyslexic, press 696969696. If you have a nervous disorder, please fidget with the number sign until the beep. After the beep, please wait for the beep. If you have a short term memory loss, please try your call again later. And if you have low self esteem, please hang up. All our operators are too busy to talk to you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:25:04 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Global "News" at 11pm Global "News" out of Toronto just ran a 3 or 4 minute segment on how horrible it was for the Toronto Sun to run a pull out ad section for Bass Pro Shops that included a full page of hunting rifles and accessories. Apparently, this makes us into the US. Even Windy the Kook got into the act, spewing her usual nonsense about how even long guns are "potentially dangerous"... globalnews.tor@globaltv.com ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #632 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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