From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #667 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, July 22 2006 Volume 09 : Number 667 In this issue: Man stabs bear to death Re: Straw men - (Was Re: cPC just like the Liberals and maybe Man charged after pellet gun found 8 grocery employees stabbed at Tennessee store; co-worker in Seven stabbed at supermarket near Memphis Re: Free "END THE GUN REGISTRY" car decals Re: Free "END THE GUN REGISTRY" car decals Re: Govenor General Re: Free "END THE GUN REGISTRY" car decals Re: Free "END THE GUN REGISTRY" car decals Re: 8 grocery employees stabbed at Tennessee store; co-worker Re: Free "END THE GUN REGISTRY" car decals Re: Free "END THE GUN REGISTRY" car decals Re: Ottawa Office on the horizon!? Re: Straw men - (Was Re: cPC just like the Liberals and maybe My letter to the Sault Star RE: Straw men - Ed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:20:46 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Man stabs bear to death http://www.therecord.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=record/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1153518613975&call_pageid=1024322085509&col=1024322199564 Man stabs bear to death 55-year-old escapes attack with help from dog and a 6-inch hunting knife MELINDA DALTON BRENDA GRUNDT, WWW.WAWA-NEWS.COM (Jul 22, 2006) A Waterloo man and his dog made a harrowing escape from the clutches of a vicious black bear Thursday while portaging near Wawa, Ont. Tom Tilley, 55, killed the nearly 200-pound bear by jumping on its back and stabbing the aggressive animal with a six-inch hunting knife after his dog alerted him and distracted the bear. "Love is a very powerful emotion and my thought right away was, 'You're not going to kill my dog,' " Tilley said yesterday. "I really consider my dog a hero. Without that first warning I would have had the bear clamping down on my neck." Tilley had planned on spending 12 days portaging through the area near Wawa with his American Staffordshire, Sam. Four days into the trip, as he was making his third trip back to the water near Abbey Lake to retrieve his gear, he heard his dog growl and noticed the bear closing in on him. He said he did what he's been taught to do when a bear is close -- he starting waving his arms and slowing started backing away from the animal. The bear moved off the trail, but a few seconds later reappeared, cutting off Tilley's escape route. "That's when I knew I had a serious problem . . . I was lunch," he said. Sam, who was behind Tilley before the bear moved up the trail, was now between the bear and his owner. Instead of taking an aggressive stance, the dog stood sideways blocking the bear's route. "The bear took a few steps down the trail and clamped its mouth on the back of my dog," Tilley said. "By attracting the bear's attention like that and distracting the bear from me it gave me the quick opportunity I needed to run around to the back of the bear, get on its back and with my knife start stabbing it." Tilley had recently purchased the knife that would save his life after reading the story of Jacqueline Perry, the young Cambridge doctor who was killed by a bear last September. Perry's husband attempted to fend off the animal with a Swiss Army Knife - -- the only weapon he had. "When I read the report about her death, it really hit home to me that these things are possible," Tilley said. "I owe her husband a real debt of gratitude because if I hadn't heard her story and got that knife, I wouldn't be telling this story." After making sure the animal was dead, Tilley realized he had suffered a wound to his hand and Sam had two puncture marks on his back. He needed to get help, but was a two-day portage away from civilization. Dragging his canoe across the short portage, Tilley paddled for about an hour before he came across a pair of Americans who happened to have a satellite phone. They called for help and two hours later, a cargo plane arrived to take Tilley back to Wawa for medical attention. He was treated and released from hospital. News of his feat passed quickly through the small community, with a population of just over 3,000. "He had a lot of cojones to do what he did," said Brenda Grundt, who operates the local news site Wawa-news.com and drove Tilley two hours back to where he'd left his van after the incident. LUCKY TO HAVE KNIFE "It's pretty amazing. Here's a guy that wouldn't be here if he hadn't happened to have a knife on him." As for Tilley, it wasn't until he was back in his van alone with Sam that he took in the gravity of the situation. "I just thanked God I was alive and that my dog was alive and cried a bit, but they were tears of thanks and relief," he said. The Ministry of Natural Resources has sent the bear's body to Guelph and Ottawa for testing. "It's very unusual for a bear to attack a person (and) pretty amazing this gentleman was able to kill it just with a knife," said Jolanta Kowalski, spokes-person for the ministry. Because Wawa doesn't have a veterinarian's office and a specialist wasn't available to treat his hand, Tilley decided to push through and make the long journey home that night. Back in Waterloo, news of his experience trickled back to amazed friends and family. Despite the danger, Tilley said the incident hasn't erased his love of the outdoors. "My daughter says I'm not allowed to go up there anymore," he said with a laugh. " But I left my canoe there knowing I'll have to go back to get it." mdalton@therecord.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:24:47 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: Straw men - (Was Re: cPC just like the Liberals and maybe - ----- Original Message ----- From: "B&C Beaudoin" > >> but generally the CPC has admitted that when in a majority > >> situation, the FA would be revisited. Not the kind of news you'll > hear > >> shouted from the Peace Tower because, I suspect, better to defend > C-21 > >> to Canadians during an election than a total gutting of C-68. > > Bruce wrote: > > >Really? What are your sources? How high up are they in the party? > >Name some names, and quote some quotes. > > I suspect that's what G.B was getting at when in his June 22,06 press > release: > > "While I have heard a few complaints from firearms owners that we > haven't yet moved to fully implement our party's firearms policies, I > ask them to be patient. Only so much is possible in a minority > government. Just look at the progress we have made in the last four > months." > > He's asking us to be patient. (So the party can move to fully implement > our party's firearms policies ?) Reading between the lines I speculate > that he means that they will "fully implement our party's firearms > policies " when conditions are right. I further speculate that means > when they have been elected to a majority. > > I'm willing to take GB's word for now. > > Regards, > Brad Maybe you should read Tony Bernardo's article in the latest CSSA bulletin entitled "The Old Shell Game" __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumpsit Contract - All Rights Reserved - Without Prejudice ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:01:34 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Man charged after pellet gun found http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&pubid=968163964505&cid=1153566047527&col=968705899037&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News Man charged after pellet gun found Passerby spotted weapon at Eglinton West station, police say CAMILLE ROSS STAFF REPORTER Jul. 22, 2006. 01:14 PM Police have charged a 24-year-old man after a witness reported seeing a gun fall out of a man’s clothing in a Toronto subway station. The citizen noticed the gun around 6:30 p.m. Friday at Eglinton West station, when the gun fell out of a man’s clothes and was picked up and placed in a bag. The witness then saw the man leave the station and head west on Eglinton Ave., police say. A man was later arrested and Toronto police seized a shoulder holster, an expandable baton and a loaded pellet gun. Narine Dasrat, 24, of Mississauga faces dangerous weapons and carrying a concealed weapon charges. He’s scheduled to appear in court today. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:12:58 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: 8 grocery employees stabbed at Tennessee store; co-worker in http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=hamilton/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=1014656316146&c=Article&cid=1153521916847 July 21, 2006 - 22:24 8 grocery employees stabbed at Tennessee store; co-worker in custody MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) - A knife-wielding grocery store employee attacked eight co-workers Friday, seriously injuring five before a witness pulled a gun and stopped him, police said. Elartrice Ingram, 21, was charged with nine counts of attempted first-degree murder, police said. The attack apparently stemmed from a work dispute, investigators said. Five victims, one in critical condition, were admitted to the Regional Medical Center, the main trauma hospital for the Memphis area. Three others were less badly hurt and treated at another hospital. Ingram, chasing one victim into the store's parking lot, was subdued by Chris Cope, manager of a financial services office in the same small shopping centre, Memphis Police Sgt. Vince Higgins said. Cope said he grabbed a 9mm semiautomatic pistol from his pickup truck when he saw the attacker chasing the victim "like something in a serial killer movie." "When he turned around and saw my pistol, he threw the knife away, put his hands up and got on the ground," Cope said. "He saw my gun and that was pretty much it." Police arrived within minutes and took the Ingram into custody. "He just kept saying: 'I'm insane. I wish I was never born' and that kind of stuff," Cope said. The attack started in an employee area of the Schnucks supermarket on the outskirts of Memphis and no customers were involved, Higgins said. Police said two large kitchen knives used in the attack were found at the scene. Witness Frank Rector said the attacker held a knife high in a stabbing position as he chased a victim into the parking lot. The victim, Rector said, "was circling, trying to get away from him." The ages of the victims were not immediately released. Higgins and a company spokeswoman said all the victims were employees of the store. The spokeswoman said officials from the St. Louis-based company were on their way to the scene. Higgins said police were pulling into the parking lot as Cope was confronting Ingram. "We commend him," Higgins said. "But we don't encourage people to take that kind of risk. He could have been hurt." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:18:42 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Seven stabbed at supermarket near Memphis Compare this story with the previous one - can you spot what's missing? http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/21072006/6/n-usa-seven-stabbed-supermarket-near-memphis.html Seven stabbed at supermarket near Memphis Fri Jul 21, 3:56 PM MEMPHIS, Tennessee (Reuters) - Seven people were stabbed on Friday by a knife-wielding man at a supermarket near Memphis, police said. "The motive is unclear, but you can make the conjecture that it was work related," said Sgt. Vince Higgins of the Memphis Police Department. The Memphis Commercial Appeal newspaper reported on its Web site that the attacker had been recently fired from the Schnucks grocery store in Cordova, Tennessee. One of the victims suffered severe wounds and was in critical condition at a hospital, Higgins said. All of the victims were employees of the market. In addition to the seven who were stabbed an eighth employee collapsed and was taken to a hospital. The attacker was wrestled to the ground in a parking lot and arrested. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:26:18 -0600 (CST) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: Re: Free "END THE GUN REGISTRY" car decals > Nothing like stirring the pot, eh, Lex? If you don't give a rat's > patoot, why even bother to mention that fact? Any comments you don't > like, you don't have to respond to... > > Yours in Liberty, > Bruce Look who's talking about stirring the pot! You couldn't help but rise to the bait, huh Bruce? Once, just once, I'd like to see you, and your talking horse buddy let a comment pass without adding editorial, disapproval or simple vitriol. Just thank Lex, and order a bumper sticker, will ya? Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:28:07 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: Free "END THE GUN REGISTRY" car decals > Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:42:20 -0600 (CST) > From: "Lex Winram" > Subject: Free "END THE GUN REGISTRY" car decals > > Watchdog Newsletter is offering free "END THE GUN REGISTRY" car decals > "while they last". > (Undoubtedly there will be some on the Digest who will throw a > hissey-fit and refuse to get car decals because merely "ENDING THE GUN > REGISTRY" won't satisfy them. However, don't bother to dump on me for > helping in the Anti-Firearms Act movement by putting this notice out > because I no longer give a rats' patoot for the main current debates > that have been taking place lately on this forum. Thanks Lex, I never did give a "rats' patoot" for those same debates on this forum. I always believed they should be taken directly to the media. Al Support criminal control, not placebo gun control ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:30:01 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Govenor General - ----- Original Message ----- From: "rbaker" > I can't help but wonder why the Govenor General was not picked from a > Native Canadian. > > Must be that we have no one worthy of being selected. Why a person not > of Canadian Birth? Must be something wrong with us ...or the govenment. > or both. > > Am I a nut or just not wise enough to understand why they select the > people they do. > > I would like some coments on this from you Blue Neck (cdns) > > > Rae Baker Burlington,Ontario Its similar to the Liberals ? They cater to the feminine vote and minorities to get their votes on side... ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:31:04 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Free "END THE GUN REGISTRY" car decals Rob Sciuk wrote: > Look who's talking about stirring the pot! > > You couldn't help but rise to the bait, huh Bruce? Once, just once, I'd > like to see you, and your talking horse buddy let a comment pass without > adding editorial, disapproval or simple vitriol. Just thank Lex, and > order a bumper sticker, will ya? > > Rob. And look who just can't stop themselves from dipping their own oar in the pot for a lap or two! You're a laff riot, Rob! Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:32:13 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Free "END THE GUN REGISTRY" car decals - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lex Winram" > On the other hand if you appreciate my alertness and effort here then > just say "Thanks Lex"!) > > Lex Winram Thanks Lex ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:32:59 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: 8 grocery employees stabbed at Tennessee store; co-worker - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Mills" > http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=hamilton/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=1014656316146&c=Article&cid=1153521916847 > > July 21, 2006 - 22:24 > > 8 grocery employees stabbed at Tennessee store; co-worker in custody > > MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) - A knife-wielding grocery store employee attacked > eight co-workers Friday, seriously injuring five before a witness pulled > a gun and stopped him, police said. Moral : never take a knife to a gun fight. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:36:06 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Free "END THE GUN REGISTRY" car decals - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Sciuk" >> Nothing like stirring the pot, eh, Lex? If you don't give a rat's >> patoot, why even bother to mention that fact? Any comments you don't >> like, you don't have to respond to... >> >> Yours in Liberty, >> Bruce > > Look who's talking about stirring the pot! > > You couldn't help but rise to the bait, huh Bruce? Once, just once, I'd > like to see you, and your talking horse buddy let a comment pass without > adding editorial, disapproval or simple vitriol. Just thank Lex, and > order a bumper sticker, will ya? > > Rob. In response I would like to say ; Remember ? I am the front end of the horse ~! in opposition to some others on here who could be placed advantageously in other areas , of the animal... ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:46:08 -0600 (CST) From: "bletchley park" Subject: Re: Free "END THE GUN REGISTRY" car decals - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lex Winram" > On the other hand if you appreciate my alertness and effort here then > just say "Thanks Lex"!) > > Lex Winram Thanks Lex.... Really! Respectfully, Peter Twinn (nom de guerre) "Liberty demands constant vigilance" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:12:50 -0600 (CST) From: "bletchley park" Subject: Re: Ottawa Office on the horizon!? - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:47:54 -0600 (CST) > > From: "ross" > > Subject: Ottawa Office on the horizon!? > > > > There is a clear rumour circulating that finances have been gathered to > > an extent that may allow for an ottawa office to be opened. This would > > mean that finaly firearms owners can be heard in one voice, rather than > > the many which have their own agenda. > > Ross for this to happen we would have to agree on what that one voice > would say. At this point we do not agree.That is the reality. Al, We have for years strongly supported the notion that the RFC must have a political voice in Ottawa. In order to survive the onslaught of 'rights encroachment' for political expediency and callous attacks by media and anti-gun NGO's, the firearms community *must* unite. The RFC came frustratingly close a couple of years ago when CILA et al tried and failed to animate our community into action. But that was then. This is now. The climate is ripe. If this opportunity is not seized, we may never have it again. We agree, Al, that we must speak with one voice. There is much dissension between the rank and file. However, can we not, at the very least, focus on one vital component of the FA/CCC? We believe that if sections 91 and 92 of the CCC were attacked and eradicated, the arguments between licensing v certification would evaporate. One voice. Respectfully, Peter Twinn (nom de guerre) "Liberty demands constant vigilance" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:56:32 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Straw men - (Was Re: cPC just like the Liberals and maybe B&C Beaudoin wrote: > I suspect that's what G.B was getting at when in his June 22,06 press > release: > > "While I have heard a few complaints from firearms owners that we > haven't yet moved to fully implement our party's firearms policies, I > ask them to be patient. Only so much is possible in a minority > government. Just look at the progress we have made in the last four > months." OK, that's one. Although I'd question just how much actual "progress" there has been... > He's asking us to be patient. (So the party can move to fully implement > our party's firearms policies ?) Reading between the lines I speculate > that he means that they will "fully implement our party's firearms > policies " when conditions are right. I further speculate that means > when they have been elected to a majority. > > I'm willing to take GB's word for now. As much admiration I have for Garry, and it is vast, in response I have to say "what did you expect him to say?". Garry is an extremely loyal party man, and while I may not agree with such dedication in the face of betrayal, it's not my place to decide what he should do *for* him. But I only have to think back a few months before his statement, where Day froze him out of a private meeting, and seemed to be trying to isolate and marginalize him from the "corridors of power", as it were. Even now, when he is supposedly back on the inside, what else have we heard from him, and what else has he done/been doing? It's one thing to be "patient" - it's another thing to sit around doing nothing hoping for a miracle to happen. Again, nothing I've heard from anyone else in the Party but Garry has instilled any confidence in me that they intend to keep their promises to us. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:11:19 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Sault Star Just submitted, not yet printed. WRITE A LETTER, DAMMIT! - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Like it or not, federal Firearms Act still alive and well Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:08:15 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: ssmstar@saultstar.com Peter Denley makes a number of excellent points when it comes to renewing your Firearms License, but I think he missed the real target, completely. The problem is with licensing, itself. Bill C-68 (The Firearms Act) made changes to the Criminal Code of Canada (ss 91 & 92) that makes it a criminal act to merely possess a firearm without the benefit of a federally issued license, which allows you to, in essence, break the law. This was a marked departure from before - one which effectively transferred control over the legally purchased and privately owned property of law abiding citizens to the State. This contravenes the rights of individuals under the fundamental principles of justice, English Common Law, heritage, and tradition, not to mention the basic, inherent, and sovereign right of every human being to keep and bear arms for their defence. As such, this travesty of a law cannot be allowed to stand. This is not something that we "should get used to". As Mr. Denley said, the Conservatives have, through their various incarnations, been promising responsible firearms owners that they would "Scrap C-68". Bill C-21, the bill that would eliminate the registration of long guns from the law, doesn't even come close to doing that, and yet almost every CPC MP who has spoken on the subject seems to be claiming that this "fulfils their promises" to gun owners. Not on your nellie, it doesn't! The only position acceptable to law-abiding gun owners is the promise that Garry Breitkreuz made to us during the last election, after the Liberals announced their hare-brained scheme to "ban handguns". I quote: "Our firearms policy will effectively return our gun laws to the way they were before 1995 - except for the mandatory minimum sentences that we propose to increase." Then, and only then, will their promises to us be fulfilled. The support of gun owners is not unconditional. We can, and we will, react to any treachery with withdrawal of donations of finances, volunteer effort, and even votes, if it comes to that. The mere ownership of privately purchased and lawfully used property should not be made a crime. Scrap C-68 - utterly, completely, irrevocably! Betray us at your peril. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:52:44 -0600 (CST) From: "B&C Beaudoin" Subject: RE: Straw men - Ed Ed Wrote: >Chucky Strahl has already said :"c21 is all the RFCis going to get " >so please tell me why we will get more relief after the CPC has a = majority ? Do you think that announcing before an election that the CPC intends to scrap bill C-68 in it's entirety is a good strategy? We're still fighting an amti-gun media, and there would be a field day if Chuck had said " Take C-21 for now and we'll keep our promise to the RFC and scrap C-68 when we have a majority" The CPC could not deliver on the promise to scrap C-68 right now if they wanted to. They would be fools to announce to anyone anywhere that they intend to keep that promise! How are they making out with their other promises? So far so good? I believe GB when he says: "While I have heard a few complaints from firearms owners that we haven't yet moved to fully implement our party's firearms policies, I ask them to be patient. ? How long till the next election??? 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