From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #685 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, July 28 2006 Volume 09 : Number 685 In this issue: Bail system under scrutiny in a CTV investigation Feisty T.O. senior thwarts purse-snatching punks Premiers abandon attempt at unity Police chief's joke prompts investigation Plan for the worst letter to Ottawa Citizen (unpub) ... Moncton court to take on domestic-violence project Re: Ok so CILA wakes up what next Re: Ok so CILA wakes up what next Armed robbers snatch cash from delivery vehicle Ignore fed's letters on gun law, urges NTI When it comes time to vote Plastic moose nabs N.S. poachers Strahl reaffirms pledge to end Wheat Board monopoly Letter: Another cop blasts holes in gun registry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:26:45 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Bail system under scrutiny in a CTV investigation http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20060727/bail_file_pkg_060727/20060727?hub=TorontoHome Bail system under scrutiny in a CTV investigation CTV.ca News Staff A CTV News investigation into the bail system has uncovered case after case of people charged with serious offences being released to wait for trial in the community. In some cases the accused have re-offended while waiting for trial. In other instances they were released despite long lists of prior convictions. From homes all the way to the halls of government and the justice system, the investigation has gotten people talking. Public pressure is mounting to tighten the rules surrounding bail. Privately, officials are said to be debating the issue. At the heart of these discussions is one question: Is the bail system broken or is it working as it should? After watching the series of news reports attached here, you be the judge. (see webpage at link provided, above, for video clips) Are the values of presumed innocence and protection of the community in balance, or have the scales of justice tipped in one direction? Send us an email and we will publish as many as we can. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:26:59 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Feisty T.O. senior thwarts purse-snatching punks http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20060727/purse_snatch060727/20060727/?hub=TorontoHome Feisty T.O. senior thwarts purse-snatching punks CTV.ca News Staff An elderly Toronto woman is speaking out after experiencing a violent purse-snatching attempt in the city's east end that landed her and her friend in hospital. "My reaction was one of rage," Evelyn told CTV Toronto. "I was furious to think that two young punks would attack two elderly ladies in broad daylight on a busy road." The brazen daytime attack left Mary, 76, in intensive care with a broken hip and Evelyn, 74, at home nursing cuts and bruises. The women were taking their usual morning walk Tuesday in the Markham Road and Scranton Road area when the attack occurred. The women were grabbed from behind, thrown to the ground and then dragged along the road by their purse straps. Despite the pain and the shock of the attack, Evelyn would not let the punks succeed in their heist. "He pulled and I was determined he wasn't going to get my purse," she said. The feisty senior kept yelling, "you're not going to do this to me." After realizing the Evelyn's determination, the thieves left the women and their purses. That is when she realized how severely Mary had been hurt. "I saw her lying on the ground...I heard her say, 'I can't move...I can't move." Mary had to undergo surgery for her broken hip and remains in hospital. Police are asking anyone driving along Markham Road and Scranton Road around 10 a.m. Tuesday to contact 43 division. With a report from CTV Toronto's Karlene Nation ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:55:47 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Premiers abandon attempt at unity http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060728.wxpremiers28/BNStory/National/home Premiers abandon attempt at unity Provinces will deal separately on splitting up federal riches BRIAN LAGHI AND KAREN HOWLETT From Friday's Globe and Mail ST. JOHN'S — Canada's premiers have abandoned any hope of striking a deal on how to divide federal riches after a bitter standoff between Ontario and Quebec during last-ditch talks to cobble together an accord. The inability to forge a united front leaves the provinces to fight for their own deals with Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who has promised them a financial dividend from his efforts to fix the so-called fiscal imbalance. "The bottom line is that unless there is some progress overnight, which I don't expect, then the conclusion today is we've agreed to disagree," Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams said. "There's absolutely no way to reconcile that or bring it together. Positions are firm." The premiers' annual summer wraps up today. "If it had been worthwhile, we would have stayed through the evening, but there came a point in the afternoon when we realized this just wasn't going to come together," he conceded. The premiers had been attempting to find a united bargaining position with Mr. Harper in future negotiations on how Ottawa should apportion the fiscal dividend. But the deal died after an Ontario offer was rejected by Quebec late in the day. Under the proposal, Ontario agreed to reverse its long-standing opposition to enriching the national equalization program if others backed its demands for more cash to bring its federal payments for health and social services into line with other regions. Currently, Ontario's share of the funding is less than that received by the poorer provinces because Ontario has a greater ability to raise taxes from its citizens. But in an exchange during the morning session, Quebec Premier Jean Charest argued against Ontario's position. Sources said he pointed to a 1977 agreement in which Ottawa transferred some of its taxing ability to the provinces. The wealthier ones, including Ontario and Alberta, derived greater benefit from that transfer. Quebec asserted that Ontario is ignoring this transfer in arguing that it is being shortchanged. For its part, Ontario officials pointed to a federal panel report that argues the inequality needs to come to an end. Ontario says that any extra money for poorer provinces should be funnelled through the equalization program, not through both methods. Yesterday afternoon, hours before the talks' collapse, Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty characterized the friction as a disagreement within the family. "Disagreements can be more pronounced when you're dealing with money," he said. "But this family came together a long, long time ago, and I have every confidence that we will be able to overcome this challenge as we have all the others along the way." Ontario officials speculated that Quebec might not have wanted to see the fiscal imbalance dividend diluted by adding Ontario's request to the mix. One of the proposals being bandied about to fix the imbalance would see the equalization program enriched by about $900-million -- $600-million of which would flow to Quebec. However, a senior official from another province said last night that it was wrong to blame Quebec for rejecting the compromise, suggesting that the effort to cobble together a deal was likely doomed anyway. Provinces such as Saskatchewan and New Brunswick were already far apart on how a new equalization program should be structured. Mr. Charest foreshadowed yesterday's outcome, after months of jockeying, by expressing doubts earlier that the premiers could agree on reforming the equalization program. "I don't think there will be an agreement on that," he said. The end of the talks means that Mr. Harper will be able to impose a solution of his choosing. The fiscal imbalance is of particular importance to Mr. Harper in Quebec, where his party hopes to win enough seats to land a majority government. One of his key campaign promises in Quebec was to fix the imbalance. One Ontario official said Quebec might feel it stands a better chance of getting what it wants by negotiating one on one with the Prime Minister. Mr. Charest said it was not necessary to have a consensus. "Stephen Harper came to Quebec and delivered a speech on Dec. 19 and said this: 'I will fix the fiscal imbalance.' . . . He did not say, 'By the way, I will fix the fiscal imbalance if there's a consensus among the provinces.' " Unlike with the administration of former Liberal prime minister Paul Martin, there also appears to be little likelihood of the provinces and Mr. Harper coming together to discuss a deal at a federal-provincial summit. "We're not asking for a first ministers conference," Mr. Williams said. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:59:52 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Police chief's joke prompts investigation You should at least read some of the comments left about this story on the Globe and Mail website: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060727.wxbcjoke27/BNStory/National/home You might consider making some of your own, too. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:23:03 -0600 (CST) From: Alfred Hovdestad Subject: Plan for the worst One of the tasks that I have been assigned is to work on our Plan for the Pandemic. The experts believe that we are overdue for a pandemic and that governments and institutions need to plan for the pandemic. As part of my task, I decided to take a look at what others were doing. I found that many organizations have a plan. http://www.safecanada.ca/link_e.asp?category=4&topic=194 The experts believe that 15% - 35% of the population will become infected and unable to work. Much of the plans that I read centered around health care; immunization, hospitalization, etc. Several plans mentioned creating a list of essential services, protecting priority services, etc. What impressed me is what is not mentioned in any of the plans. Our police services cannot handle the load they have now. What will happen if/when the pandemic breaks out and 35% of our police force is sick and unable to come to work? What will haoppen if/when transportaion services are shut down? What truck driver is going to risk getting infected delivering a truckload of food to an infected community? Ask yourself this question: How long will the food in our grocery stores last? How long before riots and looting break out? We have seen what happens when law and order break down. In Quebec during the ice storm. In New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina. Law enforcement will concentrate on essential services; hospitals, government services, fire protection, etc. There will be few, if any, police available to protect the public. And don't count on the military, there aren't enough of them either especially if 35% of them are infected. You can be sure that Wendy and her ilk are prepared to call for the confiscation of ALL firearms in the case of a pandemic. She will claim that firearms need to be confiscated to prevent the riots and looting that are certain to take place. Prepare for the Pandemic, Buy a Firearm! Alfred Hovdestad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:25:22 -0600 (CST) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: letter to Ottawa Citizen (unpub) ... RCMP constables go public with plea for more firepower (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, Policing, like soldiering implies a contract between those who strap on a firearm and put themselves in harm's way on our behalf, and those whom they protect. Given the tragic deaths of 6 RCMP officers over the last 24 months, I think the constables in your article have a point. The standard RCMP issue 9mm pistol is anaemic by today's standards, and most police forces have instead settled upon the more powerful .40S&W calibre for their sidearms. In addition to a shotgun, which is an excellent *short range* defensive weapon, a light, semi automatic carbine in .223Rem (Nato 5.56x45mm) added to each squad car would be a tactical improvement for those situations where surgical precision at a distance is required, or to defeat body armour. The training requirements would be a significant expense in addition to the purchase itself, but the potential savings in human life might have already payed for itself. Haven't we buried enough young RCMP officers lately? Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk Oshawa, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:19:11 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Moncton court to take on domestic-violence project What about domestic violence against men? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060728.NATS28-5/TPStory/TPNational/Atlantic/ Canada in Brief Moncton court to take on domestic-violence project Moncton -- The New Brunswick government has chosen Moncton as the location for a pilot project aimed at reducing domestic violence. Judge Anne Dugas-Horsman will preside over a specialized domestic-violence court beginning in January of 2007. The court was one of the key initiatives set out in a five-year action plan released by the province last year. According to the latest figures, there were 879 reported cases of domestic abuse against women in New Brunswick in 2004. That's up from 772 the previous year, but still below 2001, when police received 1,003 complaints. CP ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:26:08 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: Ok so CILA wakes up what next > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:56:10 -0600 (CST) > From: "ross" > Subject: Ok so CILA wakes up what next > > > don't like the way C-21 "feels". My gut level intuition tells me the >> Conservatives have done just enough (barely) to say "we kept our >> promise", now go away! I sure hope I'm wrong (I've been wrong before) >> but this whole thing smells like Harper's playing the old shell game on >> us. >> >> Tony Bernardo >> Executive Director >> CILA > > > Several of us on this digest has said clearly that c21 is an act of > betrayal, yet we were ridiculed and tolds to go home. > > Seems like maybe if you read C-21, you may just wake up from the > conservative induced slumber. > > perhaps more firearms orgs will wake up as well. CSSA, NFA...... others! > > The conservatives are not our friends. We can afford to be nice upo > until it is time not to be nice. For today..make nice. The timne not to > be nice is fast approaching, and they ned to be told to climb on down, > and to clear their dance cards so they can dance with the ones that > brung em to the ho down Ross the CSSA has not woken up yet. They still support C-21 even though they know it is not what we want and we are not likely to get any more. I would suggest the time to be nice was gone a long time ago before C-21 announced. All the calls for patience were detrimental to our cause, as are calls to support C-21 as an interm measure. C-21 will be re-tabled in ONLY 2 months. Take you case to the media NOW!! The CPC is "consulting" yes men on C-21, it is time for us to say NO now. Al Support criminal control, not placebo gun control ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:19:08 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: Re: Ok so CILA wakes up what next Ross for clarification; CILA exists in name only.It is part of the CSSA. At one time it was funded by other groups, that it was paid to represent, but that is no longer the case. Al Support criminal control, not placebo gun control ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:49:21 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Armed robbers snatch cash from delivery vehicle http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/breakingnews/breakingnews_1333160.html Armed robbers snatch cash from delivery vehicle Hamilton Spectator Friday, July 28, 2006 | Updated at 9:07 AM EDT Armed robbers held up an armored car this morning in Stoney Creek. The armored car was delivering money to a CIBC branch on highway 8. Police say no shots were fired and no one was hurt. The thieves got away with an undisclosed amount of money. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:14:48 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Ignore fed's letters on gun law, urges NTI http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/28072006/3/canada-ignore-fed-s-letters-gun-law-urges-nti.html Ignore fed's letters on gun law, urges NTI 21 minutes ago Nunavut's land claim organization is telling Inuit to disregard a letter sent out by the Canada Firearms Centre earlier this year calling on them to turn over unregistered firearms to the RCMP. The centre sent the note before the new Conservative government announced a one-year amnesty for owners of unregistered firearms in May. It eventually sent out another letter to the same individuals notifying them of the amnesty. But officials with NTI say their court case against Ottawa over the gun law makes both letters irrelevant. NTI won an injunction against applying the law to Inuit in 2003, while the courts determine if the law can be applied to the territory's land claim beneficiaries, who have their own hunting rights under that agreement. "So we are advising Inuit that, no, they don't have to turn over their firearms to the RCMP because of the court injunction," said Gabriel Nirlungayuk, the director of wildlife for NTI. He adds Inuit cannot be prosecuted for possessing an unregistered firearm because of the injunction. Nirlungayuk is concerned Inuit are being confused by the different letters. "Well, it's a concern because, the firearms people are sending these letters to Inuit and of course, I guess they're following what they're supposed to be doing," he said. "But we are reminding them that Inuit are exempt because of this injunction." Nirlungayuk says there are still a lot of concerns about the Federal Firearms Act in Nunavut. For example, he says it still affects the ability of Inuit to buy ammunition. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:21:30 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: When it comes time to vote Thge CPC need to get a copy of this so they better understand us the RFC "Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual...but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country." ---Samuel Adams ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:27:44 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Plastic moose nabs N.S. poachers http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/28072006/3/canada-plastic-moose-nabs-n-s-poachers.html Plastic moose nabs N.S. poachers 31 minutes ago A Nova Scotia father and son got their moose last fall. But the moose they shot fair and square was a plastic decoy set up by conservation officers. And instead of a freezer full of moose meat, they ended up with fines totalling $16,200. The Nova Scotia Department of Natural Resources has been using a robot moose to nab poachers for several months. The plastic moose is hidden in the bushes near a country road. Conservation officers sit and wait for hunters to come along. The Halifax Chronicle-Times said Francis Langille, 52, of Liscomb, N.S., and his son Trevor, 24, of Halifax, pleaded guilty on Thursday to charges of trying to kill a mainland moose last fall and were fined $8,100 each in provincial court. Poaching sting The Langilles were two of eight men charged after conservation officers used the robotic decoy in a sting to nab poachers. Court was told the men were on their way to a deer hunt on Oct. 29 when they spotted the decoy about 65 metres off Liscomb River Road near New Chester in the District of St. Mary's. Defence lawyer Shawn MacLaughlin told the Chronicle-Herald that out of instinct, the two hunters each fired a single shot from their rifles when they spotted the decoy. Conservation officers went to the trouble of building a plastic decoy because there are only about 1,000 mainland moose left in the province, making it an endangered species. It has been illegal to hunt mainland moose in the western end of Nova Scotia since 1936. The ban was extended to the eastern end in 1981. Anyone convicted under the Endangered Species Act faces a fine of up to $500,000 and a jail term of up to six months. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:32:52 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Strahl reaffirms pledge to end Wheat Board monopoly What about reaffirming his party's pledge to "SCRAP C-68"? http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/28072006/3/canada-strahl-reaffirms-pledge-end-wheat-board-monopoly.html Strahl reaffirms pledge to end Wheat Board monopoly 39 minutes ago Federal Agriculture Minister Chuck Strahl says he's moving ahead with a plan to end the "single desk" system that gives the Canadian Wheat Board a monopoly on marketing grain. Strahl met Thursday with a select group of farmers in Saskatoon to discuss ways of introducing a "dual marketing" system for the export sale of wheat and barley. A dual system would allow farmers to sell their own grain and therefore take advantage of market conditions to get the best prices. Noting that the Conservative government is acting on an election promise, Strahl said he wants to meet with the Canadian Wheat Board to discuss possible changes, including "everything from election of directors to how they might be financed to how they might be self-sustaining." Calls for a plebiscite Wheat Board director Ian McCreary said he has some concerns but is prepared to meet with the minister. "If he's got some firm proposal that does make a viable wheat board in the future, we're interested in hearing about that," he said. There were some protesters outside near the federal meeting Thursday, an early indication that any move to dual marketing would be fraught with controversy. Some farmers and farm organizations support the wheat board in its present form and are dead-set against ending the monopoly. Proponents say having the wheat board as the single desk for marketing grain ensures stable prices for Canadian farmers. Without the monopoly, many fear it would be the beginning of the end for the Winnipeg-based agency. There have been calls for Ottawa to put any changes in the wheat board to a farmer plebiscite, although Strahl says the government has the power to act on its own in some areas. "We will be looking at what we can do by regulations, what we need to do by legislation and if necessary what we need to do by plebiscite," he said. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:02:43 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Letter: Another cop blasts holes in gun registry PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2006.07.28 EDITION: National SECTION: Letters PAGE: A13 BYLINE: Alex Popovic SOURCE: National Post WORD COUNT: 216 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Another cop blasts holes in gun registry - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Former Cop Says Drop The Gun Registry, July 27. As a former police officer, I support the views of Sergeant Bob Cottingham. Like him, I believe the firearms registry serves a very limited purpose in police work. In fact, it might be undermining the very purpose it was supposed to support. First, no police officer should rely on the registry to determine if there are firearms in a home. To do so would be foolish. A second justification for the registration has been that stolen guns will be identified and returned to their owners. The reality is that the Canadian Police Information Computer (CPIC) already lists stolen property and identification numbers. Regardless of where one stands on the need to have firearms in the hands of civilians, the reality is criminals don't respect laws. The registry has not saved a life or helped the justice system to stop gun trafficking. Instead, it has created a new class of criminals, whose only crime is that they believe in their right of ownership of property. It is time to consider how we can really take the illegal guns out of the hands of criminals. Spending billions on a paper exercise that provides little tangible benefit is not the way to go. Alex Popovic, Inspector (rtd.), Mississauga, Ont. - ------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT POLICE HAVE SAID ABOUT THE GUN REGISTRY By Garry Breitkreuz, MP - Updated: July 27, 2006 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/policequotes.htm ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #685 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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