From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #693 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, July 31 2006 Volume 09 : Number 693 In this issue: Case examines hunting, fishing rights Bruce Mills' Letter: Gun owner's world Re: A large segment of the RCMP are near retirement age CFC Exam History repearts Shots fired in Parkdale Column: PETA is barking mad British Prime Minister vows crackdown on animal extremists: Mounties shoot beached whale Re: SOMALI PM SLAMS WEAPON SUPPLIERS Re: Residents torched a house occupied by suspected drug Re: Gang links probed in north-end shooting; Re: CFC Exam Re: A large segment of the RCMP are near retirement age ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:39:23 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Case examines hunting, fishing rights PUBLICATION: The Whitehorse Star DATE: 2006.07.28 SECTION: North PAGE: 13 SOURCE: AP DATELINE: ANCHORAGE WORD COUNT: 532 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Case examines hunting, fishing rights - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A panel of federal judges quizzed lawyers Tuesday in a lawsuit that pits hunting and fishing rights of all Alaskans against federal regulations restricting subsistence hunting and fishing to rural residents. A group of urban Alaska residents and several non-Alaska hunters and fishermen are challenging federal regulations stemming from the 1980 Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act. That act says that only rural residents can obtain permits for subsistence fishing and hunting on federal lands in Alaska. Sixty per cent of Alaska is federal land. The plaintiffs contend excluding urban hunters and fishermen from federal lands for subsistence is unfair because the Alaska Constitution grants hunting and fishing rights to all Alaskans, regardless of where they live. Plaintiffs' attorney Robert Erwin told the three-judge panel from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals that the federal regulations are unconstitutional when applied to his clients. The judges gave no indication when they would respond to the case. Erwin said it could take six months to a year. A lower court in 2005 dismissed the lawsuit challenging the federal regulations. At Tuesday's session where lawyers for both sides were questioned by the panel, the judges appeared to be unsympathetic to Erwin's argument that the Alaska Constitution gives every citizen equal rights to fish and game. Judge Richard Tallman asked Erwin wasn't it reasonable for Congress to restrict resources in order to protect them? ''The government says ... some people need it more than other people. What's wrong with that?'' Tallman asked. Erwin countered that certain people were being excluded based only upon where they live. ''What is wrong with that that makes it so evil?'' asked Judge Alex Kozinski. ''That's what government does. The nature of government is to draw lines between people.'' Erwin later said the federal regulations have created an absurd situation in Alaska where neighbours can be classified differently, some rural and some urban. He said the lawsuit asks this question of the federal government: Why did you create two classes of people when all have the same rights under the Alaska Constitution? ''Why shouldn't everybody be allowed to hunt and fish?'' Erwin asked the panel. Erwin told the panel that if fish and game are scarce, rural Alaskans should get first crack. But, he said, if there are enough to go around, then it should be open to all Alaskans, and after that non-Alaskans. The case stems from 1998 when one Alaska resident, three non-residents and a Kodiak guide had their permits pulled for a sheep hunt in the Brooks Range. The group had already flown to Fairbanks for the hunt when they were told that the federal subsistence board had issued an emergency closure. Erwin said later while scarcity is supposed the reason for the order was never clearly stated. ''My clients have a constitutional right to hunt and fish,'' Erwin told the judges. Kozinski responded that there was no federal right to hunt and fish. Warren Olson, 66, of Anchorage, who formed the Alaska Constitutional Legal Defense Conservation Fund, a group of about 70 people involved in bringing the case, said the federal government is discriminating against urban residents when allocating the state's resources. ''We are dealing with a fundamental right,'' Olson told The Associated Press. Olson said this case will be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, if necessary. It's not the first time this type of case has been in the courts. The issue of just who in Alaska gets first crack at resources was raised in the Katie John case, named for an Athabascan elder. That case established that the federal government has authority on most waters in Alaska to ensure a subsistence priority for rural residents. Former Gov. Tony Knowles refused to appeal the case to the U.S. Supreme Court. Although invited, the state did not join with the plaintiffs in the latest case. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:40:58 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Bruce Mills' Letter: Gun owner's world PUBLICATION: The Province DATE: 2006.07.30 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial PAGE: A21 BYLINE: Bruce Mills SOURCE: The Province WORD COUNT: 56 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gun owner's world - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I find Vancouver Police Chief Jamie Graham's target-shooting predicament amusing. He is just experiencing first-hand the kind of of stigma and persecution that every other ordinary, law-abiding gun owner must endure every day for even the most innocent of actions -- often at the hands of the police themselves. Welcome to our world, Jamie! Bruce Mills, Dundas, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:06:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim S." Subject: Re: A large segment of the RCMP are near retirement age Folks - Of course, the author forgot to mention that if you are white and male, you go to the back of the line. A young man who was a friend of our daughters applied to both the RCMP and the Calgary Police Service, and was told he met all qualifications - except that he was the wrong gender and wrong color. After working for Brinks for a couple of years (where he was issued with a S&W 10 in .38 Special, which he could not buy, as it is prohibited under 12(6) ), he finally made it into the CPS. Jim Szpajcher St. Paul, AB > Bois said there are too many myths about RCMP eligibility and dispels > the rumours that applicants need to be bilingual or stand over six feet > tall. > > "In reality, other than a few items, you only need Grade 12 and to be a > Canadian citizen,'' says the 33-year-old officer from Quebec. > > "Good character of course is an asset." > > That's why Bois is leaving no stone unturned in her quest to find > recruits. She's hit career service outlets, human resources centres and > even sports institutions, where she's hung posters and talked about the > potential of life in the RCMP. And when school starts, she'll be > visiting high schools and universities getting the word out. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:07:10 -0600 (CST) From: Gary Ramsey Subject: CFC Exam >>How many thousands of Canadians have taken the excellent federal >>Firearms Safety Course and/or passed the exam, prerequisites to >>getting the licence to possess or acquire firearms? And one can take the course, pass the exam without firing one live round. Shouldn't a real exam include some live firing to test one's competence on a firing line? One can get a Boat Operator's Card without a practical test. Are such measures really about safety or just government cash grabs? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:07:42 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: History repearts Looks like thh brits are finding out firearms registration doesnt work. It has been ten years since they banned everything and wanted the rest registered. Now the Police are saying its unworkable, while the politicians lie about its efficacy what else is new We knew since day one, the registry would be unworkable, riddled with errors, cost a kings ranson, and we were right... told you so!!! Only now our brit cousins may grow spines and demands this registry be scrapped. South africa of course would be next and they dont have billions to throw at it. Seems the South Africans are willing to go to more extremes that Britain , or canada. I would guess civil rights really dont mean much down there. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:24:18 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Shots fired in Parkdale http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&pubid=968163964505&cid=1154297191246&col=968705899037&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News Shots fired in Parkdale JOANNA SMITH STAFF REPORTER Jul. 31, 2006. 05:37 AM Police are searching for suspects after shots were fired at a car in Parkdale Sunday night. Shots were fired at two men sitting in a car in a laneway behind an apartment building on Close Ave. in the Jameson and Lakeshore Blvd. W. area around 10:30 p.m., according to police. One bullet went through the rear window but no one was hit. The car smashed into a pole as the people inside tried to drive away, police said. At least 10 rounds were fired and police said they found multiple shell-casings in the area. Police dogs sniffed along a couple kilometres of the nearby train tracks for several hours but found nothing, police said. The emergency task force was also called in and police closed the area at Jameson and Springhurst Aves. for about three hours. The men who were shot at were both in their early 20s. The investigation continues. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:44:40 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Column: PETA is barking mad PUBLICATION: The Province DATE: 2006.07.31 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial PAGE: A18 COLUMN: Lydia Lovric BYLINE: Lydia Lovric SOURCE: The Province WORD COUNT: 451 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Animal fanatics are barking mad over evacuating pets from Lebanon - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There must be a full moon, because the animal fanatics are at it again. PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) is barking mad after learning that some of the citizens being evacuated from Lebanon are being asked to leave Fido behind in order to make room for less cuddly evacuees, like human beings. "U.S. citizens evacuating Lebanon are facing a second disaster right now, as military commanders are directing them to abandon their dogs, cats, birds and other animal family members to starve in the rubble," decries PETA in a recent press release. "Petrified family dogs and other beloved domestic animals are being ordered out of people's arms. Although French forces have made provisions for animal evacuations, the U.S. is behaving as if it learned nothing in the wake of Hurricane Katrina." Canada and the United Kingdom are also enforcing a "no pets" policy. Obviously PETA's raison d'etre is to protect the interests of animals. So it's not surprising that the group is concerned about our four-legged friends in Lebanon. But how about some concern for our two-legged friends as well? The rescue efforts in Lebanon have been harried and hurried. Governments from many countries have had trouble organizing a quick and seamless evacuation. People have been forced to wait hours, even days, before being lucky enough to get out of harm's way. Had governments allowed every dog, cat, bird or other animal family member to tag along, it would have slowed the rescue of human evacuees. Can you imagine telling your child or spouse that he or she had to endure another day of bombing because the rescue boats were filled with pets? "Sorry, hon, Fluffy beat us to it." Evacuees have already complained about how crowded and unsanitary it was onboard and how little food and water were available. Can you imagine being denied more food or drink because Rover and Spot needed their share? And where exactly were the pets supposed to do their business? Also, what about passengers who are highly allergic to these "animal family members?" Obviously, people have a right to stand by their pets and refuse to flee without the family dog, cat, bird or pot-bellied pig. That means they stay put and take their chances with the bombs. What they do not have a right to do is demand that their pets take precedence over people. But that's precisely what PETA is saying. Although I love our cat very much, I cannot imagine insisting that he be allowed on a vessel, knowing that there are still human beings awaiting rescue, even if they were all strangers to me. A survey of pet owners in Canada and the U.S. found half would choose their pet over a human being as their sole companion on a deserted island. It shows just how much pet owners value their fluffy friends. It also shows how little we think of human companionship. Maybe society really is going to the dogs. Contact Lydia Lovric through her website: www.lydialovric.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:46:05 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: British Prime Minister vows crackdown on animal extremists: PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2006.07.31 EDITION: All but Toronto SECTION: World PAGE: A8 BYLINE: Phil Hazlewood SOURCE: Agence France-Presse WORD COUNT: 430 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Blair vows crackdown on animal extremists: Anti-vivisectionists target medical research companies - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ British Prime Minister Tony Blair on Saturday promised "robust" action against extremists targeting companies using animals for medical research. Mr. Blair vowed the crackdown on anti-vivisectionists in a progress report on government action to deal with the problem, launched on a trip to California to promote British industry, particularly the biotechnology sector. "Hundreds of millions of people in the U.K. and around the world today are alive and healthy because of the pioneering work of our scientists and researchers," Mr. Blair said in the three-page document. "Many millions more will be spared an early death or a life of pain because of the research now under way. They deserve our support. And they should get it." He added: "The U.K. government will continue to take robust action against those extremists who put vital research at risk. "By working closely with industry, scientists and enforcement agencies, we have put in place a strategy for the continued success of biotech in the U.K." The British government tightened up legislation in response to a number of high-profile animal rights campaigns. They included threats, intimidation, harassment, criminal damage and violence against staff at Huntingdon Life Sciences, in Cambridge, eastern England, which tests new medicines and vaccines on animals. Companies and individuals associated with the facility, including shareholders of British pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline, have also been targeted. Contractors at a new biomedical research centre in Oxford, southern England, have also faced threats, forcing work to stop, while the owners of a farm that bred guinea pigs for medical testing suffered a six-year terror campaign. It culminated when the body of one of the owners' relatives was stolen from a graveyard. Four extremists were jailed in May this year. The report said eight leading animal rights extremists (ARE) are currently in jail with two more subject to supervision conditions; specialist police teams have been created and extra resources given to law enforcers. Blair made his stance clear in May this year by backing a draft law to allow companies involved in animal testing to keep shareholders and directors' personal details private. He also signed "The People's Petition", which was set up to "give a voice to the silent majority of people in Britain who want to show their support for medical research using animals". Trade body the Association of British Pharmaceutical Industry (ABPI) said this week there had been a "sea change" in the level of attacks and harassment, which had threatened to deter overseas investment. In the first half of this year there were only 15 incidents, under half the number for the same period last year and just 14 percent of the total for the first six months of 2004, the ABPI said. Government figures show about a quarter of Britain's 3.2-billion-pound per year research and development budget comes from the pharmaceutical industry. Pharmaceutical exports stood at 12.2 billion pounds in 2005. phz/mk Britain-science-animal-pharma-crime AFP 292139 GMT 07 06 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:46:30 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Mounties shoot beached whale http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2006/07/31/whale-joggins.html Mounties shoot beached whale Last Updated: Monday, July 31, 2006 | 9:04 AM AT The Canadian Press A whale that was beached along a Nova Scotia shore was shot by RCMP officers on Sunday after Fisheries Department officials determined it had no hope of surviving. The young minke whale was beached in Big Joggins, located near Digby on the Annapolis Basin. The whale was badly hurt when Fisheries officers found it, said department spokeswoman Cate Barratt. "It was belly up as the tide went out, and its whole layer of skin was gone and it was quite badly blistered," said Barratt. "The prognosis for the animal was very dim, and the animal was ordered destroyed." Barratt said when destroying such a large animal, shooting it is not unusual. Fisheries Department experts also consulted Tonya Wimmer, a Halifax-area marine biologist who runs the Marine Animal Response Society. "It was extremely sunburnt, and it's very clear this animal wouldn't have made it," said Wimmer. "They overheat when they're out of water, and that's one of the main things that destroys an animal this time of year." Wimmer said it's difficult to destroy animals as large as whales. Euthanasia drugs can take too long and pose a danger to other animals who eat the carcass. "With an animal this size, [shooting it] is pretty much the only way you can do it other than letting nature take its course, which for this animal would be too painful," she said. Wimmer said her group hopes to collect samples and examine the carcass before it is disposed of. The Marine Animal Response Society tracks stranded marine animals, investigates why they become stranded or beached, and offers advice on how to deal with them. © The Canadian Press, 2006 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:49:30 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: SOMALI PM SLAMS WEAPON SUPPLIERS - ----- Original Message ----- > PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun > DATE: 2006.07.30 > EDITION: Final > SECTION: News > PAGE: 41 > BYLINE: AP > DATELINE: BAIDOA, Somalia > WORD COUNT: 296 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > SOMALI PM SLAMS WEAPON SUPPLIERS > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Somalia's prime minister yesterday accused Egypt, Libya and Iran of > providing weapons for Islamic militants who have seized control of much > of this country's south. > > "Egypt, Libya and Iran, whom we thought were friends, are engaged in > fuelling the conflict in Somalia by supporting the terrorists," Prime > Minister Mohammed Ali Gedi said, citing unnamed sources within his > government. And who ? supplies them ? US, France ,China ... ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:50:04 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Residents torched a house occupied by suspected drug - ----- Original Message ----- > PUBLICATION: New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal > DATE: 2006.07.31 > PAGE: A1 > SECTION: NEWS > BYLINE: Rob LinkeTelegraph-Journal > WORD COUNT: 765 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Grand Manan needs more help with drug-abuse prevention; Island's > location cited as important factor resulting in lack of community-based > programs > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > New Brunswick stands out as a model for the country in offering the > kinds of community-based drug abuse prevention programs that help fight > the drug trade, according to the Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse. But > Grand Manan is an island apart from the main. " Makes ya wonder what the RCMP are getting paid for?From news reports shots were fired by both sides, so that begs the question ???? were the dealers GUNS REGISTERED?And if not why weren't they seized prior to the "vigilante " action ? Could it be ?that the Cops are afraid of the dealers because they actually shoot at them ? Theres a heck of a lot MORE to this than what has been reported by the media. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:50:34 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Gang links probed in north-end shooting; - ----- Original Message ----- > PUBLICATION: The Hamilton Spectator > DATE: 2006.07.31 > EDITION: Final > SECTION: Local > PAGE: A1 > BYLINE: Dana Borcea > SOURCE: The Hamilton Spectator > WORD COUNT: 419 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Gang links probed in north-end shooting; Teen treated for gunshot wound > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Hamilton police swept through a north-end housing survey Saturday > looking for evidence in connection with a weekend shooting that sent a > 19- year-old Hamilton man to hospital. > > Central station Staff Sergeant Mark Simchison said police are > investigating gang links and promised to increase police presence in the > area in an effort to drive out criminals. > > "If gangs want to operate in that complex, they can look forward to our > officers coming in," he said. The north end of Hamilton has ALWAYS been the roughest part of town and cops as a rule stay away from it or did the last 65 years that I can remember. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:51:01 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: CFC Exam - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Ramsey" > >>How many thousands of Canadians have taken the excellent federal > >>Firearms Safety Course and/or passed the exam, prerequisites to > >>getting the licence to possess or acquire firearms? > > And one can take the course, pass the exam without firing one live round. > > Shouldn't a real exam include some live firing to test one's competence > on a firing line? > > One can get a Boat Operator's Card without a practical test. > > Are such measures really about safety or just government cash grabs? Do you need to ask ? LOL ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:51:26 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: A large segment of the RCMP are near retirement age - ----- Original Message ----- > PUBLICATION: The Guardian (Charlottetown) > DATE: 2006.07.31 > SECTION: The Province > PAGE: A3 > BYLINE: Sharratt Steve > DATELINE: Montague > WORD COUNT: 412 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The greying of the red serge; A large segment of the RCMP are near > retirement age, so the force will need about 6,000 recruits. > > > Bois calls the RCMP a career and lifestyle choice and with job security, > a $70,000-a- year paycheque and good pension opportunities, there may be > no life like it. > > The next information session is slated for Tuesday, Aug. 1, at 6 p.m. at > the Atlantic Veterinary College theatre in Charlottetown. More mounties have been shot the last two years than the last ten or twenty ?Pension doesnt seem too attractive anymore ? ed/ontario ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #693 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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