From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #705 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, August 3 2006 Volume 09 : Number 705 In this issue: Gun-waving car thief faces tough rules on release Gun scare for cops GUNMAN SETS FIRES IN STANDOFF Canadians reject government's `principled' stand Re: We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence Re: We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence Re: Gun scare for cops Letter to Globe and Mail (unpub) ... Re: CFC Exam Re: We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence BREITKREUZ'S ANTI-BULLYING BILL NOW IN DRAFTING STAGE AMMUNITION HANDLOADING REGULATIONS UPDATE [LETTER] An alternative no-confidence vote [EDITORIAL] Police gunning for law-breakers Re: We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence Re: [LETTER] An alternative no-confidence vote Re: [EDITORIAL] Police gunning for law-breakers Bears-In-Town ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:10:50 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Gun-waving car thief faces tough rules on release PUBLICATION: The Record (Kitchener, Cambridge and Waterloo) DATE: 2006.08.03 EDITION: Final SECTION: FRONT PAGE: A3 SOURCE: Record news services DATELINE: VANCOUVER WORD COUNT: 129 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gun-waving car thief faces tough rules on release - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A B.C. car thief who gained worldwide attention when he was caught in a graphic bait-car video high on drugs and waving a gun out the stolen car's window will be released from prison Oct. 1 with strict conditions. The National Parole Board said Robert Osborne's history shows he has been an active criminal for 15 years and continued to abuse drugs while in prison. "While you have made some attempts at improvement, you continue to demonstrate a volatile and overly aggressive attitude to the point that you have been disciplined during your sentence,'' said the decision released yesterday by the National Parole Board. The conditions of his statutory release include abstaining from intoxicants, not being in a car without the registered owner and residing at a half-way house. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:11:17 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Gun scare for cops PUBLICATION: Belleville Intelligencer (ON) DATE: 2006.08.03 SECTION: Local PAGE: 3 COLUMN: Briefs WORD COUNT: 83 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gun scare for cops - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ City police said "there were a few anxious moments" Tuesday when they were called to a report of a man carrying what appeared to be a gun. Witnesses told officers the 25-year-old was walking around Pinnacle Street and Victoria Avenue at around 4 p.m. brandishing what looked to be a weapon. Police found the suspect near Moira Glass on Pinnacle Street. Police discovered the gun was a pellet gun, and they seized the weapon from the man. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:13:48 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: GUNMAN SETS FIRES IN STANDOFF PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2006.08.03 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 16 BYLINE: NELLY ELAYOUBI WORD COUNT: 117 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GUNMAN SETS FIRES IN STANDOFF - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quebec Provincial Police were trying to establish contact last night with a 41-year-old man who ran into his home after setting it ablaze and fired shots in the street near a town north of Buckingham. QPP responded to a call in Val des Bois on Hwy. 309 after a man broke into his neighbour's house around 4:30 p.m. The neighbour was home at the time, and a verbal and physical fight ensued. The suspect then fled before dousing his neighbour's car with gasoline and setting it on fire and doing the same to his own home. Firefighters arrived on the scene and found the suspect firing shots with a hunting rifle into the street. They waited for police to arrive before battling the blaze. Police set up a perimeter around the suspect's home and negotiators were trying to establish contact with the man last night. The fire was put out and the home suffered extensive damage. There were no reported injuries in the incident. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:14:44 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Canadians reject government's `principled' stand The Lieberals are already posturing for the next election... http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1154556609215&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795 Canadians reject government's `principled' stand HAROON SIDDIQUI Aug. 3, 2006. 01:00 AM Now that Stephen Harper has fallen in line with the United States on the crisis in Lebanon, two questions come to mind: What do Canadians think of his position? And, if it's the job of our prime ministers to stay in the good books of the reigning empire of the day — Great Britain then, the United States now — is Harper being more obsequious to the White House than, say, Sir John A. Macdonald, Sir Robert Borden and Arthur Meighen were to Whitehall? For an answer, we turn to two eminent historians, Ramsay Cook and Desmond Morton. # Before we do, my second query needs two qualifiers. Sir John A. (1867-73 and 1878-91) may have declared, "a British subject I was born; a British subject I shall die," but he did lead Canada away from its colonial status. # Sir Robert (1911-20) may have favoured sending money to the Royal Navy rather than build one of our own but he did establish a separate Canadian army. It's often difficult to know with a sitting prime minister what motivates him more: ideology, domestic politics, or his assessment of how best to advance Canada's interests abroad? Cook, former York University professor and editor of the Dictionary of Canadian Biography, thinks, "neither Macdonald nor Borden was anything like as obsequious as Harper is. "Mr. Harper is ideologically very close to President Bush. When in opposition, he seemed to be in support of the war on Iraq, and now he is in support of the war on Lebanon. "It's true that Macdonald believed that the relationship to Great Britain was important to counterbalance the relationship with the U.S. "It is also true that we went into the First World War without asking any questions but Borden did get Canada a place at the 1919 Paris Peace Conference. "We followed the British in the Second World War, but the issue was pretty clear-cut. "Since then, however, we have as a middle power developed a somewhat more independent policy," and that's what Harper is sacrificing. Is he worse than Meighen (1920-21 and 1926), who wanted Canada to jump at a British request for Canadian troops to take on the Turks in 1922? "This seems to be the case. Meighen had said `Ready, aye, Ready,' and Mr. Harper has said, `Ready, aye, Ready,' in following the U.S. policy and offering full and complete support to Israel without any attempt at a moderate position to press for what Kofi Annan is talking about — that is, getting a ceasefire." Morton, former professor at the University of Toronto and the former director of McGill University's Institute for the Study of Canada, said it's too early to draw comparative conclusions between Harper and our past leaders. But, he said, it is clear that besides being acutely aware of Canada's "absolute dependency on U.S. trade," Harper "does not instinctively find anything wrong with what Bush or the Republican Party stand for." Which augments Cook's point about Harper being an ideologue. What do Canadians think? They, especially Quebecers, don't like Harper's stance. According to a poll done by Strategic Counsel for The Globe and Mail and CTV, 72 per cent say they are following the issue closely. This turns the traditional wisdom on its head that only affected ethnic Canadians care about such far-away issues. Second, 77 per cent prefer that Canada stay neutral. Asked specifically about Harper's support for Israeli actions, 45 per cent oppose and only 32 per cent approve. (In Quebec, 61 per cent and 17 per cent, respectively). While Harper has rejected Canadian participation in a multinational force to act as a buffer between Lebanon and Israel, 53 per cent favour such a force, while 34 per cent disapprove. (In Quebec, 67 per cent and 26 per cent). Allan Gregg, chairman of Strategic Counsel, told me Tuesday that the poll shows how far Canadians have shifted over the last 25 years, "from a position that was overly pro-Israeli to one that is far more balanced, far more of the view that there are no white hats in this conflict." The Conservative party has tried to position Harper's stance as principled, but Canadians are not buying. Only 19 per cent say he is motivated by principle, while 53 per cent believe he is cozying up to Bush (in Quebec, 11 per cent and 72 per cent). Gregg said that had the Prime Minister been perceived as principled, "there would've been some political wiggle room. But in this instance, people are impugning motives to him. That's horrendous politics in today's environment." Haroon Siddiqui's column appears Thursday and Sunday. hsiddiq@thestar.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:23:34 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > N.B. police appeal for calm on Grand Manan following riot last month > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > GRAND MANAN, N.B. (CP) _ There was a heavy police presence on New > Brunswick's Grand Manan Island on Wednesday as about 700 residents > jammed a high school auditorium to discuss a recent bout of vigilante > violence and the ongoing problem of drug trafficking on the island. Duh!!!!!!! Do you think, maybe, there wouldn't be a need for vigilante violence on the island if the COPS WERE DOING THEIR JOB. __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumpsit Contract - All Rights Reserved - Without Prejudice ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:44:30 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence - ----- Original Message ----- > DATE: 2006.08.02 > CATEGORY: National general news > BYLINE: KEVIN BISSETT > PUBLICATION: cpw > WORD COUNT: 723 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > N.B. police appeal for calm on Grand Manan following riot last month > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > GRAND MANAN, N.B. (CP) _ There was a heavy police presence on New > Brunswick's Grand Manan Island on Wednesday as about 700 residents > jammed a high school auditorium to discuss a recent bout of vigilante > violence and the ongoing problem of drug trafficking on the island. > > At least two dozen RCMP cruisers, a police helicopter and small boat > were dispatched to the island off the province's southwest coast amid > reports that tensions remain high more than a week after the home of a > suspected drug dealer was torched, shots were fired and two men were > allegedly beaten by local residents. This is so much horse puckies. If the police had been doing their job ( which they get paid over $70,000. a year for) the citizens would NOT have had to get their justice the way they did. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:44:59 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Gun scare for cops - ----- Original Message ----- > PUBLICATION: Belleville Intelligencer (ON) > DATE: 2006.08.03 > SECTION: Local > PAGE: 3 > COLUMN: Briefs > WORD COUNT: 83 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Gun scare for cops > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > City police said "there were a few anxious moments" Tuesday when they > were called to a report of a man carrying what appeared to be a gun. > Witnesses told officers the 25-year-old was walking around Pinnacle > Street and Victoria Avenue at around 4 p.m. brandishing what looked to > be a weapon. Police found the suspect near Moira Glass on Pinnacle > Street. Police discovered the gun was a pellet gun, and they seized the > weapon from the man. Would it be illegal to sit in a car on a busy street and point a hairdryer at passing vehicles in imitation of a radar motion detector ? ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:53:17 -0600 (CST) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: Letter to Globe and Mail (unpub) ... Paedophile sentencing ... (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, While violence against children is particularly reprehensible, it seems that your readers are wee bit disengenuous to decry only the ineffectual sentencing of paedophiles while killers enjoy the same lax sentencing within our criminal justice system. It is Canada's very own justice system, so intent upon rehabilitation, and holding fast to the "criminal as victim" model of gentle justice, which is putting our innocents at risk. Canadians seem to agree that it is high time to start handing out sentences which befit the crime, but we can thank the preponderance of "progressives" within our justice system for the predators who walk amoung us, and enjoy the rights of privacy, and even anonymity under questionable provisions such as the Youth Criminal Justice Act, Faint hope, early parole and mandatory supervision. Once, a life sentence meant just that. Now, murderers and child molestors walk the streets on bail, and with two for one rules and mandatory early parole it is unusual to see a killer actually spend more than 3 or 4 years in prison. By focusing only upon those who commit crimes against children, we mask the real problem of the sweeping justice reforms which are long overdue. Tough sentences may not deter criminals, but it certainly gets the reprehensibles off the streets, if only by attrition. Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:44:39 -0600 (CST) From: wrpa Subject: Re: CFC Exam Robert LaCasse wrote: >>>>All in All, who needed these stringently tricky questions and >>>>dumb practicals in the first place. Many Gunsmiths failed it >>>>(Written/Practical) on the 1st pass, therefore omitting their ability to >>>>sell guns...they failed on the *redundant tehnicalities department*. >>> wrpa wrote: >>> "Tricky questions and dumb practicals", come on now. The course is >>> designed so complete novices can pass the tests. If you can't pass the >>> course you probably should not have access to guns. >> mred wrote: >>I passed the exam with flying colors and the only knowledge I had was >>based on life experiences ? >> >>Basically ? , if you were able to breath the exam was so simple ? you >>could pass it. >> >>I never found anything tricky or otherwise that a 5 year old shouldn't >>have been able to pass. >> >>All common sense questions. >>ed/ontario Robert wrote: > When they laid all the cartridges down, I thought it was the >same "closed book* test, and got them all right, problem was I didn't >know this part was open book, and I didn't look...not something that one >normally does, but (20 minutes)..flunked on that. > > I just had a "way too money hungry" tester/verifier, with a >baby on the way..xplains all, I should have seen Brian Ward instead >since most ranges were shut down even in 1999. Sounds like you have a bigger beef with the "tester/verifier" than with the CFC testing requirements. You also didn't take the course. I'm sure if you did (and left you attitude at home) the exam would have been a piece of cake. Robert LaCasse wrote: > Since I challenged, and being mostly >handguns for 30 years...prior to since 1955 all guns, I failed this >answer and the first test... My first and last driver's licence test (automobile) was in 1976. I have driven ever since. I believe I am a good driver. If I had to be tested again I would study the material on the test. I would be an idiot to just show up for the test and assume I would pass because I am an experienced driver. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:56:44 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence Majordomo User wrote: > Jackson said police have begun to receive a deluge of tips to help solve > criminal activity on the island. > > He said earlier this week, police made a large seizure of firearms. > > ``We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence that were > insecure, and a number were restricted.'' Of course, the unanswered questions are "why was this house raided", "was the owner licensed and were the guns registered", and "what actual 'crime' was committed"? Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:06:39 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: BREITKREUZ'S ANTI-BULLYING BILL NOW IN DRAFTING STAGE NEWS RELEASE - August 3 , 2006 BREITKREUZ'S ANTI-BULLYING BILL NOW IN DRAFTING STAGE "This bill will plug the holes some bullies have been slipping through." http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/2006/aug3.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:20:47 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: AMMUNITION HANDLOADING REGULATIONS UPDATE Subject: AMMUNITION HANDLOADING REGULATIONS UPDATE http://www.nrcan-rncan.gc.ca/mms/explosif/over/whnew_e.htm NATURAL RESORUCES CANADA - Explosives Regulations Project July 28, 2006 - Ammunition Update - Handloading Regulations Currently, the government will not be proceeding with any new handloading regulations. Handloading, when properly practised, has been shown to be a safe activity and it has a good safety record. Any potential amendments that are made to the regulations will only be done after a need has been established and extensive consultations have been conducted. - ------------------------------ Is this announcement accurate ?? Has common sense prevailed at long last ?? Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:45:30 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] An alternative no-confidence vote John Bryden was my *former* MP, and Murray's estimation of him is spot on... http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=hamilton/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1154556610922&call_pageid=1020420665036&col=1112876262536 An alternative no-confidence vote By Murray Robertson, Dundas The Hamilton Spectator (Aug 3, 2006) Re: 'No to PM's stand on Lebanon' (Letters, July 28) So John Bryden is getting involved in politics again to help remove Stephen Harper as our prime minister. Isn't this the same man who had been elected as a Liberal MP, but when he saw that the party wanted to replace him, jumped to the Conservative party? Isn't this the same man who vigorously supported Liberal policies such as the costly, ineffective long gun registry and an appointed Senate but who, after a little thought, joined a party whose views were directly opposite to most of those of the Liberal party? Bryden suggests Conservative MPs should seriously consider a vote of no confidence in their leader. I suggest we, the voters, should seriously consider voting no confidence in aspiring politicians who are nothing more than self-serving opportunists. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:12:11 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [EDITORIAL] Police gunning for law-breakers http://www.bordermail.com.au/news/bm/editorial/349753.html Police gunning for law-breakers EDITORIAL The Border Morning Mail FIREARM owners in Wodonga, and in fact the whole of Victoria, have been put on notice. Victoria police will be calling on them in the coming months to check they are complying with the law when it comes to the stage storage of their weapons. And those who are not doing the right thing had better watch out as the penalties for breaking the law are pretty severe. No doubt there will be some owners who will not be happy that police will be calling on them. And some police officers could probably feel they have better things to do than going door-to-door checking people are doing the right thing. But the fact is that firearm safety has to be a priority for all owners. Those who legally own and use firearms have to know it is not a right, and it comes with a special responsibility to comply with all relevant laws. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:32:34 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Mills" > Majordomo User wrote: > >> Jackson said police have begun to receive a deluge of tips to help solve >> criminal activity on the island. >> >> He said earlier this week, police made a large seizure of firearms. >> >> ``We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence that were >> insecure, and a number were restricted.'' > > Of course, the unanswered questions are "why was this house raided", > "was the owner licensed and were the guns registered", and "what actual > 'crime' was committed"? The "crime "? was owning guns. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:33:15 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: [LETTER] An alternative no-confidence vote - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Mills" > John Bryden was my *former* MP, and Murray's estimation of him is spot > on... > > > http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=hamilton/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1154556610922&call_pageid=1020420665036&col=1112876262536 > > An alternative no-confidence vote > > By Murray Robertson, Dundas > The Hamilton Spectator > (Aug 3, 2006) > > Re: 'No to PM's stand on Lebanon' (Letters, July 28) > > So John Bryden is getting involved in politics again to help remove > Stephen Harper as our prime minister. > > Isn't this the same man who had been elected as a Liberal MP, but when > he saw that the party wanted to replace him, jumped to the Conservative > party? > > Isn't this the same man who vigorously supported Liberal policies such > as the costly, ineffective long gun registry and an appointed Senate but > who, after a little thought, joined a party whose views were directly > opposite to most of those of the Liberal party? > > Bryden suggests Conservative MPs should seriously consider a vote of no > confidence in their leader. > > I suggest we, the voters, should seriously consider voting no confidence > in aspiring politicians who are nothing more than self-serving > opportunists. Having had several written conversations with Mr.Bryden ? [ I still have the copies ] it is my esteemed opinion that he is a hemhroid as opposed to being an a**h**e which obviously has some use. edontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:45:39 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: [EDITORIAL] Police gunning for law-breakers - ----- Original Message ----- > http://www.bordermail.com.au/news/bm/editorial/349753.html > > > Police gunning for law-breakers > EDITORIAL > The Border Morning Mail > > FIREARM owners in Wodonga, and in fact the whole of Victoria, have been > put on notice. > Those who legally own and use firearms have to know it is not a right, > and it comes with a special responsibility to comply with all relevant > laws. So self defense isnt a right anymore in OZ?They are based on the same English Law as we are ? what happened to these great fighting people ? If this isnt police state tactics I dont know what is ? Shades of Hitler, Stalin , Pol Pot, Idi Amin etc.? ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:47:51 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Bears-In-Town (Fort Frances Times) DATE: 2006.08.02 CATEGORY: Ontario-Quebec regional news PUBLICATION: bnw WORD COUNT: 121 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bears-In-Town - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FORT FRANCES -- Officials in Fort Frances say they expect a higher than usual number of bears in town this year as a result of a prolonged dry spell. By-law enforcement officer Arlene Byrnes says her department has already immobilized two bears that were found in the central area of town. One bear was a small male, while the other was nearly 300 pounds. Byrnes says the hot weather has dried up much of the berry crop that usually sustains the animals. That means the bears are widening their range of foraging to include local gardens and garbage pails. By-law officers received 22 calls in July regarding bears wandering around town. The Ministry of Natural Resources says the bears are driven to eat huge amounts of food each day as they prepare for hibernation. They'll go for the most readily available food, which is often people's garbage. 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