From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #708 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, August 5 2006 Volume 09 : Number 708 In this issue: Re: Police inked deal with Whitmore Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #707 When Will They Learn? Re: " Police gunning for law-breakers" Re: When Will They Learn? Re: BREITKREUZ'S ANTI-BULLYING BILL NOW IN DRAFTING STAGE Re: CFDDigest V9 #704 -- Conservatives Lose Ground ... Re: " Police gunning for law-breakers" in Australia Re: We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence Re: BREITKREUZ'S ANTI-BULLYING BILL NOW IN DRAFTING STAGE Re: BREITKREUZ'S ANTI-BULLYING BILL NOW IN DRAFTING STAGE Re: BREITKREUZ'S ANTI-BULLYING BILL NOW IN DRAFTING STAGE Re: We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 12:05:54 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Police inked deal with Whitmore - ----- Original Message ----- From: "10x" <10x@telus.net> > The R.C.M.P. can make recomendations, requests, and present evidence to > the courts, but they can NOT direct a judge or the courts to arrive at a > specific judgement. > > Judges weigh all of the evidence and make a decision that is allowed by > law and is in the best interests of the public. Yes I agree letting perps out in a short time is certainly in the publics interest? ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 12:18:30 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher di Armani Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #707 John, I'd strongly urge you to send this to the newspaper that published the original article. The "letter to the editor" email address is letters@bordermail.com.au and the editorial email address is newsroom@bordermail.com.au Yours is exactly the message these morons need to hear. At 10:46 AM 8/4/2006, you wrote: >Quote > >FIREARM owners in Wodonga, and in fact the whole of Victoria, have been >put on notice. > >Victoria police will be calling on them in the coming months to check >they are complying with the law when it comes to the safe storage of >their weapons." > >Unquote > >If the police are going to come calling on the mere speculation that gun >owners might not be complying with safe storage laws, then why not kill >two birds with one stone. It is well know that police work is highly >stressful. In fact, police have been know to turn to drugs to relieve >the stress, and those that do are a danger to the public.True, only a >small percentage do this, just as only a small percentage of gun owners >break the law. It is also know that drug users, especialy those under >pressure to hide their habit, hide drugs in their rectums > >Therefore it behooves gun owners subjected to these inspections to >inspect the inspectors, with or without consent, with or without >lubricant, elbow deep, if necessary. Only a cop with something to hide >would object, right? One good speculative inspection deserves another. >After all, you can't put a price on public safety. Yours in Liberty, Christopher di Armani christopher@diArmani.com Licensing law-abiding gun owners CANNOT stop criminals (law-breakers by definition) from killing people. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:26:29 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Subject: When Will They Learn? Cc: Wayne Easter , "Vic Toews M.P." , Tony Cannivino , Supreme Court Canada , "Stockwell Day M.P." , Ron Stevens , Ralph Goodale , Prime Minister Harper , Premier Ralph Klein , Premier Lorne Calvert , Paul Martin , New Democratic Party , Maurice Vellacott , Liberal Party Sask , Jack Layton , Irwin Cotler , Gilles Duceppe , "Gary Merasty M.P." , "Garry Breitkreuz M.P." , Frank Quennell , Canadian Bar Association ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization August 4, 2006 JPFO ALERT: When Will They Learn? It's been nearly a week since the tragic July 28 shooting spree at a Seattle Jewish center which left one dead and several injured ( http://tinyurl.com/emwer ). Undoubtedly, "gun control" advocates will start crawling out of the woodwork in short order to use this atrocity to lobby for yet more restrictions on firearms ownership. Sadly, many of these advocates will be members of the Jewish community. Only one person was armed during this shooting: the shooter himself, who chose to ignore all of the laws he was breaking. The law-abiding innocents in the center had no ability to defend themselves. "Call the police!" say the gun-prohibitionists. "That's what they're there for!" Not true. As we document in our book, _Dial 911 and Die_ ( www.jpfo.org/dial911anddie.htm ), police in Washington state have NO duty to protect you. Don't believe us? Here's an excerpt from the book: - ------------- Washington falls in the category of "die first, sue later" jurisdictions. In that state, the police are not immune from being sued. In fact, a Washington statute requires that the sheriff and deputies "shall keep and preserve the peace" and "arrest...all persons who break the peace, or attempt to break it." Under that statute, however, government owes the duty to provide police protection to the public at large, not to individuals [Chambers Castanes, 669 P.2d at 457; Beal v City of Seattle, 954 P.2d 234 (Wash. App. 1998)(en banc)(same rule).] Washington courts have regularly interpreted the law to allow injured citizens and the heirs of dead citizens to sue police departments for the negligence of their officers. Under Washington law, a private individual can sue the government for failure to provide police protection if: (1) there is some legal relationship or connection between the police department and the victim which "sets the victim apart from the general public," and (2) there are "explicit assurances of protection" that cause the victim to rely on those assurances. - --------------- If you have your copy of _Dial 911 and Die_ , this is the right time to dust it off and educate those naive folks who think they have a right to police protection. _They don't_. Don't have the book? It's just $11.95, an inexpensive resource for your "truth arsenal." It is the best way to end the stupidity of promoting "gun control." As for the "Schumerite" Jewish leadership (taken from Charles Schumer, a rabid anti-gun Jewish politician), they should read our alert, "'Schumerite' Jews Have Blood on Their Hands ...Again" at www.jpfo.org/alert20060713.htm . They share the blame in this shooting, having methodically disarmed their fellow Jews and others, leaving them helpless. Disarm yourself to protect yourself? These folks must have bagels for brains. - The Liberty Crew PS JPFO member and firearms safety instructor George Peabody is running for Governor of Hawaii in the Republican Primary to be held September 23 in Hawaii. Visit www.hawaiigovernorgeorgepeabody.com for more information ============================================================ JPFO mirror site: http://www.jpfo.net ============================================================ LET JPFO KEEP YOU INFORMED -- Sign up today for JPFO Alerts! Just send a blank e-mail to jpfoalerts-subscribe@jpfo.org. 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Fax: 1-262-673-9746 Web: http://www.jpfo.org/ ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:46:33 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Subject: Re: " Police gunning for law-breakers" Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:04:01 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: " Police gunning for law-breakers" in Australia Joe wrote: > At first I thought this article referred to B.C., but it is in Australia. > > Joe Gingrich > White Fox, > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Editorial > http://www.bordermail.com.au/news/bm/editorial/349753.html Sorry, I thought it would be obvious from the .au domain from the link... Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's entirely my error. I must learn to read more carefully. Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:02:08 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: When Will They Learn? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: When Will They Learn? > > Cc: Wayne Easter , "Vic Toews M.P." > , > Tony Cannivino , > Supreme Court Canada , > "Stockwell Day M.P." , Ron Stevens > , > Ralph Goodale , Prime Minister Harper > , > Premier Ralph Klein , > Premier Lorne Calvert , Paul Martin > , > New Democratic Party , > Maurice Vellacott , > Liberal Party Sask , > Jack Layton , Irwin Cotler , > Gilles Duceppe , > "Gary Merasty M.P." , > "Garry Breitkreuz M.P." , > Frank Quennell , > Canadian Bar Association > > > ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP > America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization > > August 4, 2006 > > JPFO ALERT: When Will They Learn? > GOOD move~!!!!!!!! keeps the pressure on,~~!!! at least it lets them know we are NOT sitting on our backsides anymore and are willing to fight for what we believe is right and KNOW what is right.~! Wish I had thought of sending this to them ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:50:51 -0600 (CST) From: paul chicoine Subject: Re: BREITKREUZ'S ANTI-BULLYING BILL NOW IN DRAFTING STAGE - ----- Original Message ----- From: "10x" <10x@telus.net> > > At 07:36 AM 8/4/2006 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >> NEWS RELEASE - August 3 , 2006 > >> BREITKREUZ'S ANTI-BULLYING BILL NOW IN DRAFTING STAGE > >> "This bill will plug the holes some bullies have been slipping through." > >> http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/2006/aug3.htm > > > > > >Looks like they have moved Mr. B. onto other things,not a firearm in sight. > > > >However I did notice on last night's TV news, when Harper was giving his > >little speech the background was made up of a bunch of unknowns (to me > >at any rate) but Mr. B. was there off to the right. Do ya think this was > >a little show for us poor slobs so that we might think Mr. B. is in the > >loop? > > This builds Mr. B's credibility as it shows him to be concerned about > law and order issues other than firearms. This bill will raise the > public's awareness of Mr. B. This can be nothing but positive for Mr. > B's other activities. > I prefer to see Mr. B. exactly where he was, on the firearms issue. He doesn't need anymore credibility, he is the "expert' on firearms law. Anyone body could do the anti-bullying bill. I see this as just another example of our issue being shuffled to the side. __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumpsit Contract - All Rights Reserved - Without Prejudice ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:50:51 -0600 (CST) From: "bletchley park" Subject: Re: CFDDigest V9 #704 -- Conservatives Lose Ground ... - ----- Original Message ----- From: > The Conservatives' loss of ground wouldn't have anything to do with the > ever-increasing number of Moslem-Canadians that are taking up residence > in Canada, would it? It would be natural for them to not want Canada to > team up with its traditional ally, the United States of America. After > all, I think it would be safe to assume that most Muslims are rooting > for Hamas and Hezbollah, and not for Israel. > > Food for thought. Pick your team, and support them. > Sir, We believe that you have hit the proverbial nail on the head. The influx of Muslims into Canada and other Western nations in recent years has shifted the balance of political power away from the Jewish community. This paradigm has been seen in Europe with its manifestations of violence by disenfranchised Muslim youths in France and the Netherlands -- a very complex issue with no meaningful historical reference. The "Trojan Horse" syndrome may be the only way to describe the dilemma facing the Judeo-Christian western world in the 21st. century. As Muslim militancy and influence increase, so will the threat to social stability within each and every Western power. The prospect of civil war within the next ten to fifteen years seems unavoidable. Respectfully Peter Twinn "Liberty demands constant vigilance" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 05:33:37 -0600 (CST) From: vampire@istar.ca (Robert LaCasse) Subject: Re: " Police gunning for law-breakers" in Australia >------------------------------ >Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:49:58 -0600 (CST) >From: Joe >Subject: re: " Police gunning for law-breakers" in Australia >At first I thought this article referred to B.C., but it is in Australia. >Joe Gingrich >White Fox, Yeah I kind of freaked out too for awhile....... It might as well be in BC, with a lot of the residents there spend lot's of money going to Aussie land every year...they like it, they live for it.......they are quite scary?? 28 years ago, a guy told me he robbed a bank with a gun. **I was astounded that people would still rob a bank with a gun**....even then, then he said "like most of his kind", they went to Australia to spend the loot.."nitty gritty" airport scene and all.... >- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------- >Editorial >http://www.bordermail.com.au/news/bm/editorial/349753.html >31/07/2006 >Police gunning for law-breakers >FIREARM owners in Wodonga, and in fact the whole of Victoria, have been put >on notice. With the mindset of GVaA or GToA, most people wouldn't care except of course for registered gun owners, who are quite FedUp with the idea of being patronized, matronized by gun kids. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Triad Productions-Fantalla(c)~EZine~ParaNovel National Association of Assault Research WWWeb>> http://reachme.at/bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 05:34:19 -0600 (CST) From: vampire@istar.ca (Robert LaCasse) Subject: Re: We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:47:51 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>------------------------------ |> |>Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:23:34 -0600 (CST) |>From: paul chicoine |>Subject: Re: We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence |> |>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |>> |>> N.B. police appeal for calm on Grand Manan following riot last month |>> |>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |>> |>> GRAND MANAN, N.B. (CP) _ There was a heavy police presence on New |>> Brunswick's Grand Manan Island on Wednesday as about 700 residents |>> jammed a high school auditorium to discuss a recent bout of vigilante |>> violence and the ongoing problem of drug trafficking on the island. |> |>Duh!!!!!!! Do you think, maybe, there wouldn't be a need for vigilante |>violence on the island if the COPS WERE DOING THEIR JOB. |> It could be that the hierarchy of the system was simply keeping the community in cheap drugs that they had no use for.....since the guns were not part of the deal, they grabbed that...registered or not! Somteimes they offer $1 million for 1 month's work to entrap drug dealers with *micro night cameras* planted all over with cell connections..these have a distinct blue flash...at least that's what it was 36 years ago.....they netted 100 users that way, and all got 20years in the big house. The dealers, George and Ernie had a few attempts on their lives since then on that scene...... The guys next door to my place got (carte blanche) on minor drug offences as an ongoing plea bargain for ratting out on other dealers. They goofed, got busted, dispersed, and the leader ?died?..... I didn't like any of them either, always power tripping, with their strange found loot...it's like watching a re-run of Miami Vice...very stale stuff! - -- Triad Productions-Fantalla(c)~EZine~ParaNovel National Association of Assault Research WWWeb>> http://reachme.at/bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 05:36:45 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: BREITKREUZ'S ANTI-BULLYING BILL NOW IN DRAFTING STAGE - ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul chicoine" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "10x" <10x@telus.net> >> >> At 07:36 AM 8/4/2006 -0600, you wrote: >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >> NEWS RELEASE - August 3 , 2006 >> >> BREITKREUZ'S ANTI-BULLYING BILL NOW IN DRAFTING STAGE >> >> "This bill will plug the holes some bullies have been slipping > through." >> >> http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/2006/aug3.htm >> > >> > >> >Looks like they have moved Mr. B. onto other things,not a firearm in > sight. >> > >> >However I did notice on last night's TV news, when Harper was giving his >> >little speech the background was made up of a bunch of unknowns (to me >> >at any rate) but Mr. B. was there off to the right. Do ya think this was >> >a little show for us poor slobs so that we might think Mr. B. is in the >> >loop? >> >> This builds Mr. B's credibility as it shows him to be concerned about >> law and order issues other than firearms. This bill will raise the >> public's awareness of Mr. B. This can be nothing but positive for Mr. >> B's other activities. >> > > I prefer to see Mr. B. exactly where he was, on the firearms issue. He > doesn't need anymore credibility, he is the "expert' on firearms law. > Anyone body could do the anti-bullying bill. I see this as just another > example of our issue being shuffled to the side. > __________ > Paul Chicoine > Non Assumpsit Contract - All Rights Reserved - Without Prejudice > ___________________________________________________ Some excellent points made here and food for thought..I dont really know how to respond but will take some time to reply. On the one hand by introducing the anti-bully law, Breitkreuz shows the public he is NOT just for guns? This means he is bolstering not only his own reputation, in response to public concern on other matters ,and this can only bolster the reputation of the CPC.....for the next election .. We already KNOW where he stands re: firearms , this is a given..................since we were given lemons >? ............. we have to make lemonaide ...in other words we do the best we can with what we have been given..... and that means writing a plethora of letters to Harper , Day Toews , and your own MP.............on any subject concerning guns.... and cancelling C-21.....theres about 5 million gun owners in this country and I dont know how many on this chat? if they recieved only half of the letters from all the gun-owners we surley would get their attention. I know theres a few on here that write letters to them regularly, but to garner any impetus we need more from different folks. Even if you write on the same subject but word it differently ? It all adds up. If we ALL write letters like we should ? this will boost Garys position on gun control . WE all know he was shafted and the result was we were too. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 06:06:46 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: BREITKREUZ'S ANTI-BULLYING BILL NOW IN DRAFTING STAGE paul chicoine wrote: > I prefer to see Mr. B. exactly where he was, on the firearms issue. He > doesn't need anymore credibility, he is the "expert' on firearms law. > Anyone body could do the anti-bullying bill. I see this as just another > example of our issue being shuffled to the side. I think people are missing an important point from the press release: this is a "Private Member’s Bill", not a Government Bill. Since he "expects to introduce" his bill in the fall session, I can assume that it is one of the few Private Member’s Bill that actually make it to the table, but even if that were the case, the chances of a PMB getting passed is slim to none. Especially in a minority government. No offense to Garry, I'm sure he feels that this is important work, but I would have to agree with the assessments of some of the others that he's being shuffled off to the sidelines and being given some "busywork" to do to shut him up/keep him happy. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 06:08:00 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: BREITKREUZ'S ANTI-BULLYING BILL NOW IN DRAFTING STAGE mred wrote: > we have to make lemonaide ...in other words we do the best we can with > what we have been given..... and that means writing a plethora of > letters to Harper , Day Toews , and your own MP.............on any > subject concerning guns.... and cancelling C-21.....theres about 5 > million gun owners in this country and I dont know how many on this > chat? if they recieved only half of the letters from all the gun-owners > we surley would get their attention. > > I know theres a few on here that write letters to them regularly, but to > garner any impetus we need more from different folks. > > Even if you write on the same subject but word it differently ? It all > adds up. > > If we ALL write letters like we should ? this will boost Garys position > on gun control . > > WE all know he was shafted and the result was we were too. > ed/ontario Excellent point, Ed. We need more people, writing more letters, more often! If you need help, just ask. To get started, I have cobbled together some contact info, and a few subjects to write about, on one of my web pages at: http://home.cogeco.ca/~akimoya/rfc/who.to.write.to.html Remember: the world is run by those who show up - so show up! Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 06:08:59 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert LaCasse" > On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:47:51 -0600 (CST), you wrote: > > |>------------------------------ > |> > |>Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:23:34 -0600 (CST) > |>From: paul chicoine > |>Subject: Re: We seized upwards of 50 firearms from one residence > |> > |>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > |>> > |>> N.B. police appeal for calm on Grand Manan following riot last month > |>> > |>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > |>> > |>> GRAND MANAN, N.B. (CP) _ There was a heavy police presence on New > |>> Brunswick's Grand Manan Island on Wednesday as about 700 residents > |>> jammed a high school auditorium to discuss a recent bout of vigilante > |>> violence and the ongoing problem of drug trafficking on the island. > |> > |>Duh!!!!!!! Do you think, maybe, there wouldn't be a need for vigilante > |>violence on the island if the COPS WERE DOING THEIR JOB. > |> > > It could be that the hierarchy of the system was simply keeping > the community in cheap drugs that they had no use for.....since the guns > were not part of the deal, they grabbed that...registered or not! > > Somteimes they offer $1 million for 1 month's work to entrap > drug dealers with *micro night cameras* planted all over with cell > connections..these have a distinct blue flash...at least that's what it > was 36 years ago.....they netted 100 users that way, and all got 20years > in the big house. > > The dealers, George and Ernie had a few attempts on their lives > since then on that scene...... > > The guys next door to my place got (carte blanche) on minor drug > offences as an ongoing plea bargain for ratting out on other dealers. > They goofed, got busted, dispersed, and the leader ?died?..... > > I didn't like any of them either, always power tripping, with > their strange found loot...it's like watching a re-run of Miami > Vice...very stale stuff! Much the same story in Ancaster