From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #720 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, August 10 2006 Volume 09 : Number 720 In this issue: Re: [US] Referendum Supporters Gather at Morgue, Hoping Assault Re: Sealer faces assault charge Re: Response from Stockwell Day [LETTER] Scales are unbalanced [COLUMN] Guard cleared on 'I, Robot' defence [LETTER] Vigilante justice Ex-gang member gets six years in jail for carrying a gun Police arrest two suspected gang members Man shot at Motel Village Man shot in Motel Village gunfight facing charges, say police Responses from DAY [EDITORIAL] Public fed up with criminals Shooter suspect nabbed but gun missing 2 shot in west end ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:37:18 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Jordan Subject: Re: [US] Referendum Supporters Gather at Morgue, Hoping Assault "They'll meet at the Cook County Morgue, 2121 West Harrison Street, Chicago, IL." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Meanwhile there are 10's of thousands of men and women in both the USA and Kanada that are over in Iraq and Afghanistan carrying...OH MY GWAD- GUNS!!!!! -To protect their precious rights to pull off these asinine, pathetic acts of disrespect of using the dead as propaganda devices to advanced their silly back-asswards cause! I once heard a silly wise man, a very long time ago say; "The beauty of democracy is that you're allowed to make as big of an ass of your self as you possibly can." These people prove the validity of that statement beyond a shadow of a doubt! It's really too bad that they're all to chickenshit to "go over there" and pull off their silly little protests there. Both, [all], sides would probably open up on them! - -DRGJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:39:44 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Sealer faces assault charge > Dwight Lyman Spence, 54, is accused of swinging his hakapik at a man, > hitting the observer's arm and damaging the camera he was holding. I thought it was illegal to interfere with the hunt, and that "protesters" had to stay back 300 yards or somesuch distance - how did this guy get close enough to be hit with a hakapik, and what was he taking pictures for? Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:06:13 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Response from Stockwell Day - ----- Original Message ----- > On 2006 Aug 10, at 10:25 AM, Bruce Mills wrote: >> >> So far, I haven't received any responses to any letters or emails I've >> sent on the more substantive subjects of "licensing", "keep your >> promises to Scrap C-68" or "Bill C-21". >> >> Has anyone gotten an intelligent response yet? Nothing here either . ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:09:39 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] Scales are unbalanced http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/Letters/2006/08/10/1731263.html Scales are unbalanced Why is Justice David Marshall so upset that his earlier orders to remove aboriginal protesters in Caledonia have been blatantly disregarded? In every city, court orders and bail conditions for accused drug dealers, pedophiles and weapons offenders are blatantly disregarded on a daily basis! Canadian justices, lawmakers and enforcers are so wrapped up in human rights for offenders that we ignore the rights of law-abiding citizens. Unfortunately, this is old news and nothing will change until our weak-kneed politicians (are you listening, Dalton?) change or vigorously enforce laws already in place. Our scales of justice are incredibly unbalanced. Mike Mitchell Toronto (Even more incredible, the government is appealing the judge's order to enforce the rule of law) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:31:28 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [COLUMN] Guard cleared on 'I, Robot' defence http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Columnists/Gleeson_John/2006/08/10/1731230.html Guard cleared on 'I, Robot' defence By JOHN GLEESON Thu, August 10, 2006 Two years after killing the man who robbed and viciously assaulted her, Australian security guard Karen Brown has been acquitted of murder charges by a Sydney jury. Brown, 44, became a folk hero to "gun freedom" advocates in the U.S. after her story surfaced from Down Under. Supporters were livid when she was charged for blowing away a scumbag who had not only robbed her of $40,000 but had pounded her repeatedly in the face with brass knuckles and then dragged her across an asphalt parking lot. The fact that Brown was able to rise to her feet with blood pouring down her face, approach the stolen Ford Falcon that her attacker had climbed into, order him to stop, and then fire a single shot to the head through the driver's window -- won her high praise for her courage, strength, determination, sense of duty and, of course, her marksmanship. Brown, as many American readers wrote in, should have been given a medal. So Brown's acquittal will be good news for her admirers -- at least until they find out why she was found not-guilty. Because Brown was not cleared of the shooting on the grounds of self-defence or justifiable homicide. No, she was acquitted on an "I, Robot" defence. Brown, her lawyer argued, was not in control of her actions but was in a state of "automatism" when she shot her attacker, William Aquilina, 26. Psychiatrist Olav Nielssen, testifying for the defence, said Brown had no recollection of the shooting. "I believe she shot Mr. Aquilina during a period of post-traumatic confusion and that her actions were not under voluntary control," Nielssen said. However, a doctor who treated Brown on the night of the attack testified that she was lucid and had denied any loss of consciousness. The jurors themselves were confused enough that they asked the judge to clarify the prosecution's and defence's positions on what exactly constituted a voluntary act. Still, they delivered their two not-guilty verdicts -- to murder and the alternative charge of manslaughter -- after less than four hours of deliberation. It was hardly a victory for those who wanted to see Brown's act vindicated as a reasoned and reasonable response to a violent assault, even if it was "automatic." The argument that Brown could not claim self-defence because there was no immediate threat -- reported as a statement of fact by some Australian media -- is frankly absurd. How was Brown to know that Aquilina wouldn't run her over in his getaway car? Or, seeing her get up off the ground, drive alongside her, remove a gun from his glove box, and fill her full of holes? Or get out of the car and administer more hits with his bloodied brass knuckles? In his attack, Aquilina broke her nose, her eye socket and her wrist and she suffered a concussion that lasted, according to Neilssen, for up to two months afterward. Brown, of course, should never have been charged. She became a threefold victim -- first of Aquilina; then of the Aussie media, which on one hand vilified her after the shooting and on the other besieged her home, offering huge sums of money to put "her side" of the story before the public. Finally she became a victim of justice officials, who gave her a full week to recover from her injuries before making a statement and then were furious when she spoke to media before them. They charged her and seized the "blood money" paid by the media as proceeds of crime. They'd show the little private cop who the real law was. Described as a "broken, destroyed, demoralized, diminished woman" after her TV appearance two years ago, Brown appears to have a long way to go yet. Throughout her two-week trial, the Sydney Morning Herald reported, Brown "appeared to be traumatized still. Her head sometimes shook, her eyes constantly darted about the courtroom and she often wept as witnesses recounted events." When the verdict was read out last Friday, Brown "visibly shook and her expression was strained as she clasped her arms in front of her and then buried her head in her hands." Outside court, hanging on to her mother, Brown thanked the jury and simply said: "I'm glad it's over." The frightening thing is that it could have been so much worse. Brown could have been convicted and sent to prison for life. And if it had gone that way, it would have still been called justice. John Gleeson is the editor of the Winnipeg Sun. He can be reached by e-mail at: jgleeson@wpgsun.com Letters to the editor should be sent to letters@wpgsun.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:23:12 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] Vigilante justice http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/editorialsletters/story.html?id=6e975ff8-de10-4b0e-8d35-9430387db590 Vigilante justice National Post Published: Thursday, August 10, 2006 Re: Law-And-Order Agenda Gets Bleak Review, Aug. 9. So, "credible research shows that longer sentences do not contribute to public safety." How about longer sentences reflecting society's distaste for crime? How about longer sentences reflecting a little bit of justice? Do some research on Canadians' attitude about their so-called justice system. My bet is you will find a strong majority who believe there is no justice in the system. Given the status quo, I can tell you without a doubt in my mind that if anything happened to my family, I would do everything I could to find the perpetrator myself and employ my own justice. I am quite confident that the two to three years I might get for a murder conviction would be well worth it. Giving criminals multiple opportunities to clean up their act has only served to drain all the justice out of our justice system. Padi Hooper, Carlsbad Springs, Ont. © National Post 2006 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:48:56 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Ex-gang member gets six years in jail for carrying a gun http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=32b9ab06-8d50-4c33-8165-728a415cec48&k=0 Ex-gang member gets six years in jail for carrying a gun Daryl Slade, Calgary Herald Published: Thursday, August 10, 2006 Insisting that the streets of Calgary must be protected from those who flaunt court orders and carry loaded guns, a judge has sent a notorious former Toronto gang member to prison for an incident last Jan. 31. Court of Queen’s Bench Justice Scott Brooker sentenced Richard Basil Baker on Thursday to six years and imposed a fifth lifetime ban against him on possessing firearms or any other weapons. “It is clear, to use the vernacular, that Mr. Baker just doesn’t get it,” said Brooker. “I view denunciation, deterrents and the need to separate the accused from society for its protection is paramount. “In this case, especially in this community, carrying a 9-mm. handgun and throwing it under a car, it is fortunate it was found before further mischief could be done with it.” Police have said Baker, 31, was a high-ranking member of the Mount Olive Crips gang which has been involved in a bloody war with a rival Toronto gang that has resulted in several murders in that city since the late 1990s. Brooker convicted him last week of eight offences related to an incident that began when city police suspected a drug deal was going down and approached a group of five people at the LRT platform at 8th St. and 7th Ave. S.W. Baker escaped on foot and tossed the weapon under a minivan, which police found after they arrested him five blocks away. He was also convicted of resisting arrest. Crown prosecutor Jane McClellan argued on Tuesday for 5 1/2 to 6 1/2 years. Defence lawyer Andre Ouellette argued for four years. The judge gave Baker double credit for six months spent in custody, reducing time to serve to six years. dslade@theherald.canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:49:19 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Police arrest two suspected gang members http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=987dd9df-a0d2-483a-86a8-2c8c3df2ad2b&k=0 Police arrest two suspected gang members Calgary Herald Published: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 Calgary police have arrested two suspected gang members and charged them with firearms violations. On Tuesday evening, members of the Calgary Police Service Gang Unit arrested Yeehung (Roland) Chin at a local hotel. After obtaining a room key, police went inside to arrest Chin’s brother, Yeesung (Roger) Chin, and a search of the room uncovered a loaded .45 calibre Ruger semi-automatic handgun and $3882.23 in cash. A red Dodge Neon and a motorcycle registered to Roland Chin were located in the parking lot and seized, and inside, police found ammunition, a bullet-proof vest, crack cocaine and weigh scales. Yeehung (Roland) Chinwas charged with five counts of breaching his recognizance, and four firearms related charges. Yeesung (Roger) CHIN was charged with five firearms related charges. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:49:39 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Man shot at Motel Village http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/city/story.html?id=cc0966b6-adf6-413e-bae1-1a1311eeb0ad Man shot at Motel Village Sarah Chapman, Calgary Herald Published: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 A shooting on Tuesday evening in front of numerous innocent bystanders terrorized diners along the Motel Village strip in northwest Calgary and left one man in hospital in critical condition. Witnesses said at least one man involved chased another man down 16th Avenue N.W. with a handgun drawn. The shooting is believed to have stretched along the strip of restaurants and motels down 16th Avenue. A suspect was apprehended in a vehicle in front of SAIT. Police gathered more than two dozen witnesses from restaurants in front of the McDonald's. The series of events started at about 8:45 p.m. Staff at Phil's Restaurant said several men had come inside and were behaving strangely, refusing to sit down at a table. Server Kyle Artym said they had been in the restaurant before and were "kind of jerks." Two of the men pulled out guns and ran out of the restaurant, he said. A Manitoba family leaving the Red Lobster next door heard the shooting. "There was a guy crouched with a tuque on," said Marie, who didn't give her last name. "All you could hear was 'Bad deal.' "There was another guy across the street who ran around the building. Then 'pop, pop, pop, pop' -- the shots." Marie said it was very upsetting. Pointing to her nine-year-old son, she said, "He lost his supper." She took her two boys inside the restaurant for their safety. "I bet it was at least a dozen shots," she said. Gentjana Kastrati, 16, was working at the McDonald's drive-thru when she saw a black SUV pull up in front with its doors open hearing toward the Royal Wayne Motor Inn next door. She said she saw a black man holding a small gun chasing after a man wearing a white tuque. Police arrested a man at Loco Lou's Grill & Bar, 1324 16th Ave. N.W., across from SAIT. Alison Rannelli, who was at Loco Lou's, saw officers draw their guns. "They were saying, 'Get out of the car,' " said Rannelli, who saw police take the man into custody. Traffic on 16th Avenue N.W. was diverted around the scene. Westbound traffic was rerouted to Banff Trail. schapman@theherald.canwest.com © The Calgary Herald 2006 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:50:21 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Man shot in Motel Village gunfight facing charges, say police http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=0f08549f-ef83-465f-a98b-076dfb06ba36&k=0 Man shot in Motel Village gunfight facing charges, say police Jason van Rassel, Calgary Herald Published: Thursday, August 10, 2006 A man wounded during a running gunfight outside a block of crowded Motel Village restaurants is facing weapons charges for his alleged role in the violence. Investigators said the 18-year-old man from Vancouver was one of at least five men who began brawling inside a Phil’s Restaurant in 16th Avenue N.W. on Tuesday night. “It appears two groups met at the restaurant — I don’t know if it was a pre-arranged meeting or not,” acting Staff Sgt. Dave McMath said. Police have ruled out a gang connection to the incident but are still trying to pin down an exact motive. McMath said the groups “took offence to each other being there,” and began trading blows inside the restaurant. The fight spilled outside and police counted at least 20 shots being fired as the combatants ran west down the block. “We’re very fortunate no innocent bystanders were injured,” McMath said. An eyewitness told the Herald he saw a wounded man throw a handgun in a trash bin before collapsing in front of a Boston Pizza about 100 metres from the scene of the original fight. The man is recovering from surgery in hospital and police are waiting to speak with him before laying charges. Police believe at least two of the men involved in the melee fired shots, but McMath wouldn’t specify if the charges pending against the wounded man relate to firing any shots. Investigators are waiting for search warrants that will allow them to look for evidence in a BMW sedan with B.C. plates seized shortly after the incident and a locally-owned Chevy Tahoe SUV recovered in a traffic stop in Calgary Wednesday night. The occupant of the BMW was released by police without being charged, but McMath said all five men believed to have been involved in the gunfight are known to police. “We have suspects in mind and we’re developing those leads as we speak,” he said. jvanrassel@theherald.canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:55:44 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: Responses from DAY At least you are getting a response or a run around. In spite of senmding letters to DAY, Toews, Harper, Poilievere and others, I have not had the courtesy of even a "piss off" letter. Their style of ignoring us is getting to be the norm. Read.. they dont care what we think remember Strahl said the debate is over. Time to make more noise boyz and girlz. start a shitstorm of letters each day ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:18:55 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [EDITORIAL] Public fed up with criminals http://www.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/news/viewpoints/story.html?id=1976efe2-83bd-4a61-b0a1-1e1d33e34d11 Public fed up with criminals The Leader-Post Published: Thursday, August 10, 2006 The mere idea that "prison works" as a deterrent against crime is enough to rattle the chains of those who advocate a soft approach to offenders. These critics often seem more concerned about the plight of criminals than their victims and are totally out of touch with mainstream Canadians. Criminals go about the business of victimizing law-abiding citizens, then often receive what the public considers derisory sentences when caught -- plus the chance at early release and a chance to commit more crimes. Prime Minister Stephen Harper has caught the public's mood perfectly. Ignoring the opposition of senior federal bureaucrats, Harper's government proposes mandatory minimum sentences for certain drug trafficking crimes, weapons offences, crimes committed while on parole and by repeat offenders. In addition, the Tories aim to end the option of house arrest for a wide range of serious offences from violence to impaired driving causing death or serious injury. Serious drug offences will also net minimum jail time and the "faint-hope clause" allowing criminals sentenced to life to apply for early parole will be eliminated. Federal Public Safety Department officials dismissed the ideas in an analysis just a week before the Tories were elected in January, claiming "credible research shows that longer sentences do not contribute to public safety". However, political scientist Ian Lee of Carleton University says those bureaucrats are ignoring a lot of research "showing that stiffer punishment is effective in deterring crime." Indeed, part of the successful strategy that has dramatically cut Regina's chronic car theft problem has involved locking up repeat offenders for longer periods. There's an even better example in England and Wales, where the prison population has soared by 85 per cent since 1993 to the highest, per-capita, in Western Europe. Meanwhile, crime has fallen by 44 per cent, leading Michael Howard, the UK's former police and crime minister, to famously declare that "prison works". Crime prevention and the rehabilitation of criminals remain important, but polls show a majority of Canadians support tougher action on crime. In the court of public opinion, the Conservatives are winning their case. © The Leader-Post (Regina) 2006 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:09:05 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Shooter suspect nabbed but gun missing http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=42feed7b-8bd1-48f3-8586-0259b2358c03 Shooter suspect nabbed but gun missing Victims ID'd as mom, son Chris Thompson, Windsor Star Published: Thursday, August 10, 2006 A 19-year-old man is facing two charges of attempted murder in connection with a west end shooting but the gun used in the attack has not been recovered. Police are concerned that the weapon, believed to be a handgun, which police were told was ditched somewhere near a dumpster on Wells Street, blocks from the Tuesday shootings on Lena Avenue, has been recovered by a citizen. "We're concerned that it could fall into the wrong hands," said Insp. Dave Rossell. He said the handgun may be loaded. Emergency crews were called to a home on Lena Avenue shortly after noon Tuesday and found a 43-year-old woman and her 22-year-old son shot. They are in stable condition at Hotel-Dieu Grace Hospital. After the shootings police spread out throughout the west end neighbourhood with the tactical and canine units. Investigators were able to determine who they believed was responsible for the shootings and were looking for him Tuesday night when he appeared at police headquarters at around 10:30 p.m. "We were beating the bushes for him and he was aware of this and came in to see us," said Rossell. Charged with two counts of attempted murder, two breaches of court orders and one count of using a firearm in the commission of an offence is Brian Joseph Burke, 19, of Windsor. Burke made a brief court appearance Wednesday afternoon but had not retained a lawyer. He was to appear in court again this morning. Rossell said police are trying to figure out a motive for the shootings. "At this point I really can't speak to motive," said Rossell. "Certainly we're curious about it and we are attempting to figure that out." Two other men were seen at the time of the shooting, but Rossell said police are not seeking any more suspects. Anyone with any information about the shooting or the location of the gun is asked to call Windsor police detectives at 519-255-6700, ext. 4830, or Crime Stoppers at 519-258-TIPS (8477). © The Windsor Star 2006 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:24:59 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: 2 shot in west end http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/story.html?id=7b8179b8-8b50-414f-a3fa-d108111e3fff 2 shot in west end Gunfire erupts; street shocked Chris Thompson, Windsor Star Published: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 Gunfire in a West Windsor home Tuesday left a man and woman injured and their neighbours surprised and shaken. Emergency crews were called to a small blue-sided 11/2-storey home at 964 Lena Ave. shortly after noon for the report of several people shot. Paramedics arriving at the scene stopped half a block from the house and waited for a sufficient number of police to arrive and protect their safety. Inside, police and paramedics found a woman in her early 40s lying in the front doorway with bullet wounds to her abdomen and a 22-year-old man elsewhere in the house with bullet wounds to his groin and upper leg. Neighbours said the home was occupied by a woman and her two sons, 22 and 16. "Their wounds are not life-threatening," said Insp. Dave Rossell, the head of investigative services. "We have three people seen running from the scene." An uninjured teen identified by neighbours as the younger son was also at the scene and sat distraught on the home's front lawn. Doris Quinn, who lives across the street from the home, said she was at her sink when the shootings occurred. "I just heard 'bang, bang bang,'" said Quinn. "I thought my air conditioner was broken." When told that there had been a shooting across the street, the 60-year resident was surprised. "I feel awful," said Quinn, who often saw the female resident of the home jogging with her yellow Labrador dog. "The woman seemed to be a nice person. It's pretty scary." Quinn said she did not notice a lot of police or any unusual activity at the home. Neighbours living next door to the home also said they heard several loud bangs and then saw the family's dog run into the street and bite a passerby. The young couple said the occupants of the home kept to themselves. "You never see them," said the man, who declined to be identified. Police quickly put up yellow crime scene tape across the street in front of the home. Paramedics worked for several minutes on both victims before they were removed by ambulance. Both victims were conscious and moving while being wheeled to waiting ambulances. The younger son was later removed from the scene by police for questioning. Members of the tactical and canine units arrived at the scene and fanned out through the neighbourhood. Uniformed officers also canvassed the neighbourhood door to door. Officers took two men to headquarters for questioning but they were not placed under arrest. The Windsor-Essex Catholic District School Board was on lockdown Tuesday afternoon and evening at their administration headquarters along Huron Church Road. The lockdown shut in administration and disrupted the board's regularly scheduled meeting. © The Windsor Star 2006 ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #720 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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