From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #735 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, August 19 2006 Volume 09 : Number 735 In this issue: Police looked like Nazis Re: Police looked like Nazis Tory kingmaker joins Grit contender's court Shooting scares ethnic radio station workers 'federal gun law' Colossal Failure Veterans mark 64th anniversary of disastrous raid on Dieppe Re: The young and the dangerous ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:59:23 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: Police looked like Nazis Our Vancouver example WAS judge Edmond J Cronin, who threw several traffic officers out of his court . . ( he was judging traffic offences at the time) because '' they looked like Nazis'' he whined . . boots and breeches doncha know . . the press looked the other way . . too embarrassed I guess . . after all we do have a LIBERAL PRESS . . . Well now.. in the good old days Police wore light blue shirts, a forage cap, dark blue pants with a stripe down the side. Today they wear 5.11 gear with cargo pants just like the military, wear black or navy blue shirts to match the dark coloured pants and also bullet proof vests making them look larger and more fearsome than they truly are. The Polcie have in efect become military looking in their latest urban combat gear. Pants are bloused into boots or not take your pick. Big automatics hanging away from the body for quick draw fire. Frankly some of them do look like Nazis, and they encourage this extreme look. perhaps they believe no one will screw with them if they look extreme. I am all for returning police to how they used to look before the Military chic took over. Foot patrols or beats, where the cop knew just about everyone in his neigbourhood, and forget this fancy intimidating look. The chiefs and police board may support it, but the public sure doesnt. Then again what do the police care about what the public think. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:10:17 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Police looked like Nazis ross wrote: > Today they wear 5.11 gear with cargo pants just like the military, wear > black or navy blue shirts to match the dark coloured pants and also > bullet proof vests making them look larger and more fearsome than they > truly are. > > The Polcie have in efect become military looking in their latest urban > combat gear. Pants are bloused into boots or not take your pick. Big > automatics hanging away from the body for quick draw fire. > > Frankly some of them do look like Nazis, and they encourage this extreme > look. perhaps they believe no one will screw with them if they look > extreme. I am all for returning police to how they used to look before > the Military chic took over. Foot patrols or beats, where the cop knew > just about everyone in his neigbourhood, and forget this fancy > intimidating look. I came across this article while looking for something else: Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America Executive Summary Americans have long maintained that a man’s home is his castle and that he has the right to defend it from unlawful intruders. Unfortunately, that right may be disappearing. Over the last 25 years, America has seen a disturbing militarization of its civilian law enforcement, along with a dramatic and unsettling rise in the use of paramilitary police units (most commonly called Special Weapons and Tactics, or SWAT) for routine police work. The most common use of SWAT teams today is to serve narcotics warrants, usually with forced, unannounced entry into the home. http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/balko_whitepaper_2006.pdf I've maintained for a long time that our police are becoming more militarized, while our armed forces are being trained for use in policing duties for eventual use in our own cities. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 12:25:20 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Tory kingmaker joins Grit contender's court http://www.canada.com/topics/news/politics/story.html?id=b9fe576d-5426-47f4-98d2-3af3f2adf9bd&k=58301 Tory kingmaker joins Grit contender's court Juliet O'Neill, CanWest News Service; Ottawa Citizen Published: Thursday, August 17, 2006 OTTAWA - Maverick political activist David Orchard has been encouraging former Progressive Conservatives to join the Liberal party and has now endorsed Quebec MP Stephane Dion as the best of 10 Liberal leadership candidates. Orchard, a fervent Canadian nationalist who played kingmaker at the 2003 Progressive Conservative leadership convention, says he endorsed Dion Wednesday because he is likeliest to lead the Liberals to defeat Prime Minister Stephen Harper's minority Conservative government. "There's a whole progressive side of that party that doesn't have a home," Orchard said in an interview from Saskatoon. "The only home left for the progressive conservatives is in the Liberal party and helping to make that into a viable alternative to the administration of Mr. Harper." Dion welcomed the addition of Orchard to his team, saying in a separate interview "we are a big tent." He did not give Orchard any formal title or make any deals with him, he said. Orchard had spoken to all leadership candidates and chose Dion for his policy platform and his decade-long record in Liberal government. Orchard praised Dion's achievements as an ardent environmentalist and champion of the Kyoto accord; a firm supporter of the Canadian Wheat Board and supply-management agricultural programs; a renowned advocate of Canadian unity; and for his call for an immediate ceasefire during the Israeli-Hezbollah war in Lebanon. "When you add it all up I think that he is an effective leader who can stand against Stephen Harper," he said. He could not say how many delegates he might be able to deliver to Dion at the Dec. 2 leadership convention in Montreal. Orchard, an organic farmer, is perhaps best known for his years of opposition to the Canada-U.S. free trade agreement and for being betrayed by PC leader Peter MacKay after ensuring his election at the 2003 convention. Orchard came third in the race after Jim Prentice, and channeled many of his delegates to MacKay in exchange for a deal to review the free-trade agreement and to stave off a merger with the then Canadian Alliance party. "No deals, no commitments," Dion said. "I am not open to revisiting free trade at this time," Dion said. As for Orchard's support for the traditional definition of marriage, Dion said he supports court rulings, which extend rights and responsibilities to gay couples. "I don't think it will be revisited," he added. Ontario MP Bryon Wilfert, one of Dion's Liberal caucus supporters said the message of the event was that Dion's campaign is growing and can attract supporters beyond a traditional Liberal base. "The Progressive Conservative party does not exist anymore because Mr. MacKay betrayed Mr. Orchard and so it's the progressive people that are coming into our party and we welcome them," Dion said. " "We welcome everyone who is willing to work with me." Orchard joined the Liberals during the last election campaign. "And ever since I've been calling on people to help rebuild the party as a viable alternative to stop Mr. Harper and what he is doing to our country, taking us tighter and tighter into the U.S. embrace on a whole number of fronts, including falling lockstep in the foreign affairs direction of the U.S. administration," he said. "I want Canada to stand on its own two feet on the world stage." Ottawa Citizen © CanWest News Service 2006 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:27:24 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Shooting scares ethnic radio station workers http://www.therecord.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=record/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1155937815400&call_pageid=1024321927354&col=1024322421753 Shooting scares ethnic radio station workers EDMONTON (Aug 19, 2006) Employees of a small ethnic radio station in Edmonton are worried about their safety after someone fired two bullets through their building. Police told staff at Radio Sursangam that two nine-millimetre bullets pierced a window and a wall of the station Aug. 2. Owner Gursharan Buttar said he suspects the shooting may have been racially motivated. "I feel very bad, very scared,'' he said. "I do a program there at 10:30 at night. My staff, my family -- I'm very fearful for them.'' Buttar said his station is secular and its shows include offerings from the Hindu, Sikh and Christian faiths. The station plays mostly Punjabi and Hindi songs, many of which are requested by listeners. Buttar discovered the damage when he arrived at work last weekend and saw a broken window. Since the shooting, the station's eight employees have talked and are now taking precautions to ensure their safety, said Buttar. Const. Robinder Gill of the Edmonton Police Service's hate and bias crime unit said that while it's early in the investigation, the shooting isn't being considered a hate crime. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:31:08 -0600 (CST) From: Len Miller Subject: 'federal gun law' rom the foreword to "Unintended Consequences'' by John Ross (ISBN = 1-888118-04-0 ) '' After the repeal of Prohibition, Congress passes an obscure federal gun law, written to promote massive non-compliance * and thus to give idled Prohibition agents something to do. ====================================================================== THEN our own John Dixon says: Here is the real reason the Liberals brought in 'gun control' . . Birth of the Canadian Gun Registry PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: WED JAN. 08, 2003 PAGE: A11 (ILLUS) BYLINE: JOHN DIXON CLASS: Comment EDITION: Metro DATELINE: WORDS: 1089 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- FIREARMS CONTROL A gang that couldn't shoot straight The Liberals' gun registry program was pointed at Kim Campbell, not crime. That's why it shot itself in the foot, says former justice adviser JOHN DIXON We now know that the government's gun-control policy is a fiscal and administrative debacle. Its costs rival those of core services like national defence. And it doesn't work. What is less well known is that the policy wasn't designed to control guns. It was designed to control Kim Campbell. When Ms. Campbell was enjoying a brief season of success in her re-election bid in the summer campaign of 1993, Mr. Chretien was kept busy reassuring what he called the "Nervous Nellies" in his caucus that Ms. Campbell's star would soon fall. To bring her down, the Liberals planned to discredit her key accomplishment as minister of justice, an ambitious gun-control package. Those measures -- enacted in the wake of the Montreal Massacre -- included new requirements for the training and certification of target shooters and hunters. We got new laws requiring: the safe storage of firearms and ammunition, which essentially brought every gun in the country under lock and key; screening of applicants for firearms licences; courts to actively seek information about firearms in spousal assault cases; the prohibition of firearms that had no place in Canada's field-and-stream tradition of firearms use. I was one of the department of justice officials involved in that earlier gun-control program. When the House of Commons passed the legislation, Wendy Cukier and Heidi Rathgen of the Coalition for Gun Control, which had been part of the consultation process, supplied the champagne for a party at my Ottawa home. So what were the Liberals to do, faced with a legislative accomplishment on this scale? Simple: Pretend it hadn't happened, and promise to do something so dramatic that it would make Ms. Campbell look soft on gun control. The obvious policy choice was a universal firearms registry. The idea of requiring the registration of every firearm in the country wasn't new. Governments love lists. Getting lists and maintaining them is a visible sign that the government is at work. And lists are the indispensable first step to collecting taxes and licence fees. There is no constitutional right to bear arms in Canada, as is arguably the case in the United States. So why not go for a universal gun registry? The short answer, arrived at by every study in the Department of Justice, was that universal registration would be ruinously expensive, and could actually yield a negative public security result (more on this in a moment). Besides, in 1992 Canada already had two systems of gun registration: the complete registry of all restricted firearms, such as handguns (restricted since the 1930s) and a separate registry of ordinary firearms. This latter registry, which started in the early 1970s, was a feature of the firearms acquisition certificate (or FAC) required by a person purchasing any firearm. Every firearm purchased from a dealer had to be registered to the FAC holder by the vendor, and the record of the purchase passed on to the RCMP in Ottawa. So we were already building a cumulative registry of all the owners of guns in Canada purchased since 1970. The FAC system was a very Canadian (i.e. sensible) approach to the registration of ordinary hunting and target firearms. If you were a good ol' boy from Camrose, Alta., and didn't want to get involved, you didn't have to -- as long as you didn't buy more guns. Good ol' boys die off, so younger people in shooting sports would eventually all be enrolled in the system. After the Montreal Massacre, the then-deputy minister of justice, John Tait, asked me to review the gun-control package under development. One thing I immediately wanted to know was how many Canadians owned Ruger Mini-14s (the gun used by the Montreal murderer). The Mini-14 came into production about the time the FAC system was introduced, so the FAC should have a good picture of the gun's distribution. But when our team asked the RCMP for the information, we couldn't get it. Computers were down; the information hadn't been entered yet; there weren't enough staff to process the request; there was a full moon. After a week, I said I didn't want excuses, I wanted the records. Then a very senior person sat me down and told me the truth. The RCMP had stopped accepting FAC records, and had actually destroyed those it already had. The FAC registry system didn't exist because the police thought it was useless and refused to waste their limited budgets maintaining it. They also moved to ensure that their political masters could not resurrect it. Such spectacular bureaucratic vandalism persuaded my deputy and his minister to concentrate on developing com- pliance with affordable gun-control measures that could work. A universal gun registry could only appeal to people who didn't care about costs or results, and who didn't understand what riled up decent folks in Camrose. Which is precisely why it appealed to those putting together the Liberal Red Book for the pivotal 1993 election. If the object of the policy exercise was to appear to be "tougher" on guns than Kim Campbell, they had to find a policy that would provoke legitimate gun-owners to outrage. Nothing would better convince the Liberals' urban constituency that Jean Chretien and Allan Rock were taking a tough line on guns than the spectacle of angry old men spouting fury on Parliament Hill. The supreme irony of the gun registry battle is that the policy was selected because it would goad people who knew something about guns to public outrage. That is, it had a purely political purpose in the special context of a hard-fought election. The fact that it was bad policy was crucial to the specific political effect it was supposed to deliver. And so we saw demonstrations by middle-aged firearm owners, family men whose first reflex was to respect the laws of the land. This group's political alienation is a far greater loss than the $200-million that have been wasted so far. The creation of this new criminal class -- the ultimate triumph of negative political alchemy -- may be the worst, and most enduring product of the gun registry culture war. John Dixon is a hunter, and president of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association. From 1991 to 1992, he was adviser to then-deputy minister of justice John Tait. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:38:23 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Colossal Failure Community Policing a 'Colossal Failure' Josh Pringle CFRA Friday, August 18, 2006 A member of the Canadian Professional Police Association is expressing serious doubts about the effectiveness of community policing. David Griffin told the Canadian Association of Police Boards conference in Edmonton that community policing has been a "colossal failure." Griffin adds it's a bandwagon a lot of people are jumping on, but its popularity far surpasses the results. Community policing is the main theme of the conference. Griffin says law-enforcement agencies are judged by how safe people feel, and community policing falls short of meeting that goal. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:01:58 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Veterans mark 64th anniversary of disastrous raid on Dieppe http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/news/shownews.jsp?content=n081917A Veterans mark 64th anniversary of disastrous raid on Dieppe Macleans August 19, 2006 - 17:11 WINDSOR, Ont. (CP) - Six Second World War veterans and about 55 onlookers gathered Saturday for a ceremony commemorating the 64th anniversary of the raid on Dieppe in this southern Ontario city. Meanwhile in France, another Windsor contingent of veterans and their families and politicians were to be on-hand to see a replacement monument for the ill-fated battle on the Dieppe beaches in which hundreds of Canadians were killed. Click here to find out more! The replacement monument was designed by a University of Windsor student because the old monument, erected in 1992, was falling apart from exposure to salty sea air. In Windsor, they stood on the grass in front of a replica statue of the replacement monument, this one honouring the 553 Essex Scottish Regiment soldiers who landed on the beach in France on Aug. 19, 1942. At the end of fighting that day, 105 Essex Scottish Regiment soldiers were dead. Of the roughly 5,000 Canadians who embarked on the disastrous operation, more than 900 died and nearly 2,000 were captured as prisoners of war. After the haunting wail of bagpipes and staccato notes of a horn, Dieppe veteran Charles Large was aided by two military reservists in laying a wreath in front of the statue in Windsor. Large said he has not been back to Dieppe since he was captured by German soldiers in the basement of a house in the French village in 1942. He said he was disappointed he couldn't go back this summer but, like many of the regiment veterans, said he didn't go because he didn't have the stamina. "I knew I couldn't stand the 10-day bus trip," said Large, 88. "I've been over there two or three times already," said Martin Pfeifer, 80. "I'm getting too old to walk." After the 30 minute ceremony, attendees shuffled across the street into a room for a slide show of pictures received by e-mail from the travellers on the Dieppe tour. Regiment Maj. Mark Douglas had phoned his colleagues in France and gave the audience an update on the monument dedication ceremony that took place at 1 p.m. France time Saturday. "It's a very clean, simple, unique monument," Douglas said. "I think we can be proud of it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:16:16 -0600 (CST) From: Robert LaCasse Subject: Re: The young and the dangerous rom Digest: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #734 On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:02:52 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |> |>---------------------------------------------------------------------- |> |>Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:42:28 -0600 (CST) |>From: Bruce Mills |>Subject: The young and the dangerous |> |>(http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2006/08/19/1764658-sun.html) |> |>The young and the dangerous |>Organized crime has spread to all corners of Canada, report reveals |> |>By JON WILLING AND ROB LAMBERTI |>Sat, August 19, 2006 |> =09 |>The latest Organized Crime Report for Canada emphasizes the spread of |>street gangs outside major metropolitan areas. (SUN photo illustration) |> |>Street gangs are young, deadly and spreading across the country. |> |>The 300 street gangs in Canada have an estimated 11,000 members, most = in |>major urban centres, according to the 2006 Organized Crime Report for |>Canada, released yesterday by the Canadian Association of Chiefs of = Police. |> |>While the gangs are predominately based in such cities as Toronto, |>Montreal and Edmonton, the report notes "cells within existing street |>gangs as well as emerging street gangs are now affecting many other |>urban centres, rural areas and aboriginal reserves" -- including = Ottawa. |> |>The existence of street gangs in the nation's capital isn't a = revelation |>for city residents; police have been cracking down on gang-related |>crimes for the past two years. |> |>Sgt. John Medeiros, of Ottawa's street-gang section, says the |>information in the report is consistent with what he's seeing. |> |>"It's been identified as a crime problem across Canada and North |>America," Medeiros says, adding street-level gangsterism is fuelled by |>different "pressures." |> |>'IMMEDIATE THREAT' |> - -----(http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2006/08/19/1764658-sun.html) |>Organized gangs continue to be involved in human smuggling, as Canada |>remains a destination point for illegal immigrants, the report notes, |>with victims often forced into labour or the sex trade to pay off debts |>to smugglers. |> |>------------------------------ The problem with the police in this matter, is that they suspect everybody as an accomplice to these conditions, and I dare you to tell = them otherwise, your dental/medical plan doesn't cover that much. We (legal gun owners) just don't have too much to say anymore, all my life I have felt that I lived in a (prison planet), register this, that, = permit papers for all meaningless reasons, no ccw/atc, it's some type of big = *Wear Down* Mongoose tactic ..... quite similar to the procedures they = employed in some kind of Nazi/Holocaust place, so studying that morbid stuff has been= an asset, since it allows me to find a way out of the Registry CFRO based = Power Pig Capo Gun Grabbing Raids. Canada/Canuckistan/KayNuhDuh, are all like the people in Auschwitz....But those were mainly Gypsies, Tramps, Thieves, etc., and = were proud of it.=20 There is idle talk of the interim camps, but those are in Ontario are not= big enough to stuff all the gun Owners in Ontario in... Although Hitler's men found a way, and today's guv't still can' figure = out how. We're all living in some kind of Buchenwald (prison planet) whereas we = can't carry at all even with ATC/CCW, just like the wwwII *Jewish* Holocaust, = with all these gun law situations for no rational reason at all. As far as free-speech online, ......_Ernst Zundel_ seems to have just as much clout, even since he was deported to East Berlin, were they have = "ugly" censorship laws I am told from there. Police state no, it's been renamed = _(Power Pig Gestapo Territory)_ by the peoples, Police state is too modest a = term for these days! These Phoenix Projects are what the gov't is interested in for global control, and that includes the Civilian Gun Owner Annihilation, at the = top of the heap,.... or so Guv't wishes If all goes for the worse, someday we may look back and compare our = history to this http://www.honestmediatoday.com/JDW.wmv enlightened event, where we = can trump our victimization even more, so the Phoenix Project world takes us= more=20 seriously....=20 One interesting "English" (once jew-banned) Holocaust Debunk Footage at (http://www.honestmediatoday.com/JDW.wmv) 116mb is rather descriptive to = a bunch of typed words........ Then we can get debunked as a bunch of old gun farts who bitched about everything.... Bad Letter??? Bad Day??? ....no kidding! - --=20 Robert LaCasse 514 Alexander Street, #20 Vancouver, British Columbia V6A1C7, Canada 604/255-8787 WWW>> http://conspiracy.at/r_lacasse ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #735 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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