From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #751 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, August 25 2006 Volume 09 : Number 751 In this issue: Urging hunters to support gun club Gun club controversy heating up; court date approaches Mugger on bike no match for Andre RE: Mugger on bike no match for Andre Re: Conservative pay attention [EDITORIAL] Gun crime has no season Why Mommy is a Democrat Letters and emails Re: Letters and emails Re: Why Mommy is a Democrat Why we have 'gun control' Tories back at start line The deadly air we breathe... Response from my Conservative MP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:06:40 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Urging hunters to support gun club http://www.huntsvilleforester.com/1156344347/ Urging hunters to support gun club Wednesday, August 23, 2006 In response to the recent gun club outdoor shooting range article this past week, I would like to remind Mrs. Brock that the Huntsville Gun Club was established on Gun Club Road long before many of the homes that are in the area now. Hence the name, Gun Club Road. As for her children climbing trees to look over the berm, I would be interested to find out how this is possible from her property. I’m guessing she owns better binoculars than I do or her children are trespassing on the Gun Club property, in which case maybe she should be keeping an eye on her children, not the berm. I am patiently waiting to become a member of the outdoor range and look forward to having a safe environment where I can go to sight in my rifle. I urge all hunters and sports shooters to lend support to the Huntsville Gun Club. Rick Clare Huntsville Reader Comments (Post Yours) bge88 at msn dot com Aug 23, 2006 at 9:11 PM Support? As an avid hunter and all around outdoorsman, I can appreciate your point of view. However, one has to look at the situation with an impartial attitude. If I was a property owner in that area I'd be pissed off too. We all can appreciate the theory about the land owners "knowing what they were getting themselves into" when they bought property there. Come on. Anyone who bought a home there knew there was an indoor range. Should they have done research to find out if there was the possibility of the creation of an outdoor range? Maybe. Was that even considered when they bought thier houses? No. It's unreasonable to put the responsibilty on them. And in NO way should all hunters be associated with your point of view. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:11:51 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Gun club controversy heating up; court date approaches http://www.huntsvilleforester.com/1155738962/?q=gun Gun club controversy heating up; court date approaches by Tamara de la Vega - Wednesday, August 16, 2006 While some might argue that good fences make good neighbours, berms apparently don’t. Things are heating up again in the Gun Club Road neighbourhood as members of the Huntsville Pistol and Revolver Club and Madill Community Association head to court on September 11. While the gun club wants a court injunction preventing the use of its outdoor firing range lifted, the community association, comprised of area residents, maintains the location of the outdoor firing range in a residential neighbourhood is simply not logical. Adding fuel to the fire is the fact that trucks have begun delivering what the Ministry of the Environment (MOE) says is yard and leaf waste to cover the large berms surrounding the outdoor firing range. The material will be used to cover the berms and then grass seed will be laid over top of it, according to gun club representatives. While concerns about the Sound-Sorb berm have anything but subsided among area residents, the issue is too big for a small community association to tackle, according to Madill Community Association co-president Deena Brock. “We weren’t going after the Sound-Sorb because that’s a huge issue and the courts are dealing with that on different levels,” she explained. Brock did say the association is trying to get the courts on their side when it comes to issues of safety. Despite the berm she insists there are serious risks associated with having an outdoor firing range in a residential neighbourhood. “Anybody could walk over that berm and right down inside. I know my kids have already been climbing the trees to see what’s in it,” said Brock. She said a verbal agreement was made by the Town years ago that there would be no outdoor firing range but the municipality can’t find any minutes on the issue. Brock said neighbours don’t have an issue with the indoor firing range; it is the outdoor firing range that is making many contemplate the possibility of uprooting their families and leaving. “The neighbours have been through so much. There have been so many issues over the years regarding lack of safety. It is a big ball of wax that they’re going to have to deal with through the Chief Firearms Office. We think it’s a pretty bad setup and Sound-Sorb is not a nice thing,” said Brock, lamenting the loss of her neighbourhood. Gun club president Kevin Stroud said the bombardment of complaints by area neighbours has made the club jump through every bureaucratic hoop available and simply made it stronger. He insisted the compost being shipped up to the berm is sterile and said he hopes the injunction is lifted in September. “We’re going to go to court and we’re going to see them lose or they are going to settle and walk away,” said Stroud. “I’m in the winning position here no matter what,” he insisted. “We’ve got all of our approvals. Even the judge who granted them the injunction has really no authority to do so because the gun range is federally controlled, plus he said that we can hunt on the property. If we lose, which is probably an unthinkable situation, I just walk out there if I have a small game licence and I can shoot all I want. I still win,” said Stroud. “If I was a hunting camp I could have 50 guys out there for a turkey shoot on Saturday and not have to have any memberships, no insurance, nothing,” according to Stroud. “But because we’re an organized gun club we have to have rules and regulations which we follow right to the letter.” Stroud questioned which option the residents prefer, an organized club with specific times of operation and safety issues addressed, or anybody with a small game license shooting their guns without the regulations required by a gun club. “I’m open to go either way,” he said, adding that he also has every intention of joining the Madill Community Association and doubts that they can deny his membership. “We are the guys who are legal non conforming. Our property ownership rights supercede theirs. They are violating our rights,” said Stroud. Reader Comments (Post Yours) dhwbailey at yahoo dot com Aug 20, 2006 at 3:03 PM Gun Range Use This is similar to the people who build next to an airport, then complain about the noise. I suspect when the range was built, there wasn't a home for miles around. The township should have been more dilligent in requiring new residents to sign a waiver acknowleding the presence of a gun range. I wonder where the Huntsville OPP do their qualification shoots? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:31:03 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Mugger on bike no match for Andre See the last paragraph for the obligatory "don't try this at home" speech... http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=hamilton/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1156369813683&call_pageid=1020420665036&col=1014656511815 Mugger on bike no match for Andre Andre Fidanza ran from his store to chase down a thief. By Paul Morse The Hamilton Spectator (Aug 24, 2006) There are two recliner chairs in Andre's Wheelchair Service store on Main Street East. Clients with physical disabilities usually sit in them, but this time, store owners Andre Fidanza,40, and Marco DiCioccio, 41, sank in them for a few minutes at the end of a busy workday Tuesday when a man on a bicycle flashed by their window clutching a woman's purse, followed by a woman, screaming she had been robbed. Police have been scouring central Hamilton for a purse-snatcher who attacked elderly women by riding up behind them, knocking them down and stealing their valuables. Eight women, mostly in their 70s and 80s, have been robbed since last Thursday. One woman was 90. One elderly woman's wrist was broken. Others ended up with scrapes and bruises. All were left emotionally shaken. Police decided a drug addict had gone on a crack cocaine binge. They set up a task force to catch him. On Tuesday afternoon, a bike-riding mugger robbed an 85-year-old woman in the morning, then snatched the purse from a middle-aged woman stepping off an HSR bus at Main Street East near Andre's Wheelchair Service at Ferguson Avenue. "This guy flew by on his bike and this lady was chasing him," Fidanza said. "So we jumped in our van and went after him." Fidanza is tired of the drug addicts and crime swirling around his store. This was just the right thing to do, he said. Even more so because so many of the victims are vulnerable seniors. "They don't deserve that," he said. The mugger pedalled west on Main against the traffic. The wheelchair guys did some quick thinking and guessed the crook might double back. They headed up Ferguson then drove several blocks toward downtown on Hunter Street. "Sure enough, he pulls right in front of us on the corner of Catharine and Hunter," Fidanza said. "He tried to elude me, but I was right on his rear end. He was terrified." In desperation, the robber threw the purse away and tried to escape by making a wild dash across opposite lanes under the rail bridge at Catharine and Hunter. He succeeded in jumping one curb, but not a second. The mugger went one way and his bike went another. As DiCioccio went to gather up the woman's purse, Fidanza followed the thief on foot. "I told him, 'C'mon, buddy, just lie down. ... I can do this all day,'" he said. "I wasn't even breaking a sweat, but this guy couldn't even breathe." The robber gave up, and his pursuers, with help from several other passersby, held him until police arrived. Kenneth Lloyd, 43, of no fixed address, has been charged with one count of robbery and breach of probation. Acting Detective Sergeant Dave Brady praised the citizens. "We're grateful for their assistance, but at the same time we have to cautiously warn the public that we don't want to see anyone hurt unnecessarily." pmorse@thespec.com 905-526-3434 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:41:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Ed Sieb" Subject: RE: Mugger on bike no match for Andre Subject: Mugger on bike no match for Andre See the last paragraph for the obligatory "don't try this at home" speech... ====================================================================== Yeah, well if the cops did their job better, and the courts put these scum away, we wouldn't have to do the cops' job's for them!!! Ed S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:22:27 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Conservative pay attention - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith" > Christopher di Armani wrote: > >>At 06:23 AM 8/23/2006, you wrote: >> >>>I agree that your post has some merit ? But that doesnt explain why my >>>last post which I sent on August 20 to almost all of the CPC has not >>>been acknowledged by ONE?, CPC MP. >>> >>>Not even the usual form letter. >>>To Date . >> >>And nor have I, and I've written a bunch of letters to them too. >> >>Yours in Liberty, >> >>Christopher di Armani >>christopher@diArmani.com > > I recently sent an e-mail ( July 9, 2006) to all 305 members with a > read receipt attached. I have received read receipts from 85 as of > today and one actual reply. > > Makes me wonder what the other 220 members are doing this summer??? > > Keith sounds like your batting 1000 But did the MP`s read it or one of his secretarys? ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:26:09 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [EDITORIAL] Gun crime has no season http://torontosun.com/Comment/Commentary/2006/08/24/1772617.html EDITORIAL: Gun crime has no season Thu, August 24, 2006 We've got nothing against reporting good news, but pardon us if we don't crack open the champagne over reports in certain other newspapers that Toronto may have "dodged" another "summer of the gun" this year. First, last time we checked, it was still summer. And gun crime doesn't wrap up when the CNE closes. More importantly, 20 gun murders (the number for this year, as of yesterday, compared to 31 by last August) is no reason to celebrate. Just ask the 161 shooting victims so far this year who are still alive. Yes, it's all well and good that, as of yesterday, no one had reported being shot in Toronto since Aug. 14 (a whole 10 days) and the last gun murder was July 17. It's great that some of the new programs for at-risk youth are reporting modest success -- notwithstanding the disappointing number of local businesses that answered the Toronto Board of Trade's laudable effort to find such kids summer jobs. It's even better that police have made some major gang busts, put more officers on the street and intensified their presence in gang-plagued areas to win residents' confidence. All this plus efforts to (finally!) keep those charged and/or convicted in gun cases behind bars is welcome progress. But, as Coun. Michael Thompson -- who has worked diligently with religious and other community leaders on this issue -- noted yesterday on CFRB radio, it's not time for a parade. It's especially not time to suggest, as some in the "crime is down" crowd would like, that last year's record-breaking gun crime might be dismissed as a statistical "blip." That's an insult to everyone who cares about making this city safer -- and to all the victims of shootings, many of which remain unsolved. Stats can change faster than, well, a speeding bullet. Just a month ago, when we compared this year's murders (not just shootings) to last year's at this time, they were up 27.3%! A quiet month is nice, but it doesn't mean the violence is over. The important lesson here is that it took a crisis -- the horrific murder of a 15-year-old girl on Yonge St. -- to galvanize officials at all levels to a guns-and-gangs problem that was years in the making, terrorized neighbourhoods and had already murdered far too many other now-anonymous innocents. Bravo to our police and other leaders for all they've achieved so far this year in the fight against gun crime. But whatever you do, don't let up now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:23:46 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Why Mommy is a Democrat You are *not* going to believe *this* steaming pile of nonsense: Why Mommy is a Democrat http://littledemocrats.net/index.html I kid you not, this is a real book! Check out the 'sample pages'. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 04:52:42 -0600 (CST) From: "Rick" Subject: Letters and emails I sent an email followed by a letter to every CPC MP and received about 24 emails and 18 letters back. Nobody really said anything except that they were forwarding it to Day whose department it is. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 05:08:58 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Letters and emails - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick" > I sent an email followed by a letter to every CPC MP and received about > 24 emails and 18 letters back. Nobody really said anything except that > they were forwarding it to Day whose department it is. > Rick I sent directly to Day and Harper and Toews and Sweet and have yet to recieve a response. "No answer is also an answer" ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 05:09:25 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Why Mommy is a Democrat - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Mills" > You are *not* going to believe *this* steaming pile of nonsense: > > Why Mommy is a Democrat > > http://littledemocrats.net/index.html > > I kid you not, this is a real book! Check out the 'sample pages'. More partisan brainwashing .....they want to do the same thing the Commies did,? get the kids while they`re young and impressionable. Now this piece of trash REALLY made me bring up. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:28:35 -0600 (CST) From: Len Miller Subject: Why we have 'gun control' Wendy's report of what she hears can never be accurate, because she unconsciously translates what is said into something she can understand. If Wendy is offered a fact which goes against her instincts, she will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, she will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, she is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to her instincts, she will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The inception of gun control is explained in this way. Isn't it . . Wendy? And . . the essence of lying, isn't so much in the words used . . it's in the deception . . Len Miller ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:40:05 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Tories back at start line http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2006/08/25/1775230-sun.html Tories back at start line Support for parties mirrors election results: Sun poll By GREG WESTON Fri, August 25, 2006 AFTER SEVEN months of Conservative rule, the latest SES Research-Sun Media poll shows Prime Minister Stephen Harper has led his minority government right back to where it started in popularity, nose-diving nine points in Quebec just over the summer. The national standings of all the parties today are virtually identical to January's election results. The national survey, conducted this week by SES Research exclusively for Sun Media, indicates that if an election were held today, the Conservatives would garner 36% of the vote, the Liberals 30%, the NDP 18%, the Bloc Quebecois 11% and the Greens 5%. The results are certain to put political heat on Harper and his advisers to rethink their iron-fisted approach to governing and the party's overall strategy aimed at winning a majority. In most regions, the rise in Conservative popularity last spring has flattened or reversed, particularly in Quebec. Harper's government has maintained an intense focus on Quebec, acknowledging it is key to winning a majority. Instead, this week's poll shows Quebecers souring on the Conservatives in droves, with support for the party dropping to 26% from 35% over the summer. Pollster Nick Nanos, head of SES Research, characterized the polling results as the Harper government's having taken "two steps forward, two steps back." Nanos said there is little doubt the government is taking a hit in Quebec in part for its stance on the Mideast conflict. Whatever the reason, he said, political reality is unless the Tories do well in Quebec, it is mathematically unlikely Harper will ever lead anything more than a minority government. "I think it is safe to assume that the Conservatives will be working on a major charm offensive in Quebec," Nanos said. The poll is both good news and bad for the main opposition parties. On the bright side for the Liberals, the survey found they have bounced back in the pivotal battleground of Ontario, climbing from a low of 34% support in May to 42% this week. On the other hand, the Liberals gained almost nothing from the nine-point slide in Conservative support in Quebec, as disaffected voters stampeded to the Bloc Quebecois instead. If an election were held today, the poll indicates the Liberals would be in third place in Quebec with 22% of the vote, behind the Conservatives at 26%, and the Bloc leading with 42%. While the New Democrats remain mired at 18% national support, almost all of the Liberal gains in Ontario in the past few months have been at their expense. Ironically, Nanos will be presenting his findings today at the opening of the Green Party's leadership convention -- the one party whose support remains virtually unchanged. The telephone poll of 1,003 adult Canadians was conducted Aug. 18-23 and is considered accurate to within 3.3 percentage points, 19 times out of 20. - --- SURVEY SAYS PARTY SUPPORT AMONG COMMITTED VOTERS: - - Conservative: 36% - - Liberal: 30% - - NDP: 18% - - Bloc Quebecois: 11% - - Green: 5% - - Uncommitted: 12% - -- Source: SES Research-Sun Media poll ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:04:55 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: The deadly air we breathe... And there are what, no more than 300 firearms homicides per year in all of Canada? Why isn't there a Coalition for Car Control? http://www.canada.com/globaltv/national/story.html?id=27f7ffa0-ec5d-44ea-bada-9f0ed7a9f2ee The deadly air we breathe... globalnational.com Friday, August 25, 2006 VANCOUVER -- A new study says thousands of deaths could be prevented each year if Canada adopted tougher air quality standards similar to other industrialized countries. The report from the David Suzuki Foundation says Canada is well behind the U.S., Australia, and the European Union in protecting its citizens from air pollution. The study estimates the number of preventable premature deaths from air pollution in Canada ranges from 5,900 to 16,000 each year. The report calls for targets for reducing pollution and a national tax on polluters. The report's author, David Boyd, hopes the federal government will adopt enforceable national standards for air quality when it introduces new clean air legislation this fall. He says new standards would lead to enormous health benefits for Canadians because they would force municipalities, provinces, and industry to reduce air pollution. PHILIPPINES MOVES TO IMPROVE AIR QUALITY Meanwhile, Philippines president Gloria Macapagal Arroyo took part Friday in a massive tree-planting campaign aimed at improving air quality in nation while breaking a world record. The "Green Philippine Highways" project initially aimed to simultaneously plant 500,000 trees on 3,439 kilometres of roads across the sprawling archipelago, but Environment Undersecretary Francisco Bravo said the figure may have been higher. Some 620,000 seedlings were distributed to government and civic groups and nearly a million participants signed up, including members of 4,414 organizations, he said. "This morning, we planted trees all over the archipelago, the biggest number of trees planted at one time in the history of the world," Arroyo said in a speech after launching the project. "We will probably make it to the Guinness Book of Records for that." The current record for most number of trees planted simultaneously is listed as 300,587 in 2005 by 16,317 people at 18 sites across India's Andhra Pradesh state. There was no immediate word from Guinness on Friday's record attempt. Bravo said participants were given a half-hour to plant, starting at 10 a.m., with each participant asked to sign a document for every tree planted. The documents were to be verified by village officials, sent to a computer network at the Department of Environment and Natural Resources, and then checked by a leading auditing company. The environment department said a recent study showed the Philippines has the second most polluted air among eight Southeast Asian countries polled, with vehicle emissions accounting for 70 per cent of the pollution. Experts say at least 10 trees are needed to absorb the carbon emissions of a single motor vehicle. - -- Canadian Press and Associated Press contributed to this report © Global National 2006 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:20:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Howard R. Hamilton" Subject: Response from my Conservative MP Greetings! I got the following response from my local CPC MP Brad Trost from the letter I snail-mailed on August 8th and is in the V9 #712 issue of the CFD: Dear Mr. Hamilton Thank you for your letter of August 8, 2006. I strongly support the Conservative Party's statements on gun control and property rights. I will note, however, that we are currently in a minority government and even Bill C-21 is not guaranteed passage. Like the amnesty program announced previously, Bill C-21 is one step, and a realistic one. The views of the government do not deviate from party policy at all. Thank you, once again, for sharing your comments with me. Sincerely Brad Trost (signature) Not a form letter, signed, and confirming that the CPC is still following the Policy set out in March of 2005. There may still be hope. 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