From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #768 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, September 2 2006 Volume 09 : Number 768 In this issue: Man arrested on gun, drug charges Two men face 39 gun charges Guns & Drugs Both Seized In Huge Raid Re: Guns & Drugs Both Seized In Huge Raid Canada's Continuing Tyranny [fwd] Gunshots again ring out in Dartmouth (Nova Scotia) Re: Winning the War ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:25:57 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Man arrested on gun, drug charges http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&pubid=968163964505&cid=1157105250204&col=968705899037&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News Man arrested on gun, drug charges LINDA NGUYEN STAFF REPORTER Sep. 1, 2006. 05:17 PM Toronto police have arrested a man on gun and drug charges in the Greenwood and Danforth Avenue areas after stopping his car Thursday night because he wasn’t wearing a seatbelt. The officer, part of the Toronto Anti-Violence Intervention Strategy (TAVIS) unit that deploys uniformed police officers to do community patrols, stopped the car at about 9:30 p.m. In the car, they found a loaded .22 calibre gun and almost $5000 worth of crack cocaine and marijuana, police said. Shawn Karrandjas, 27 of Toronto faces a number of charges including possession of prohibited weapon, failing to comply with probation and cocaine possession. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:26:37 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Two men face 39 gun charges http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&pubid=968163964505&cid=1157105247948&col=968705899037&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News Two men face 39 gun charges JOSH WINGROVE STAFF REPORTER Sep. 1, 2006. 03:46 PM Two men and a young offender are facing a combined 39 drug- and firearm-related charges after police seized crack cocaine, cash, weapons and drug paraphernalia during a raid in Scarborough Thursday. In four raids Thursday, Toronto police officers seized three firearms, an estimated $7000 worth of crack cocaine and more than $1,000 combined in Canadian and American cash, said Det. Max Richardson of the Drug Squad. The investigation began last month, when an undercover officer had bought cocaine from a man. The investigation was “strictly a drug investigation,” but firearms were mentioned in interactions with the undercover officer, police said. “This one started at the street level, was a quick investigation and was taken down. The guns were a bonus,” Richardson said. Toronto resident Travis Savoury, 28, faces 19 firearm and drug charges. Toronto resident Germaine Roberts, 28, faces 8 drug charges. A 16-year-old Toronto young offender also faces 12 firearm offences and police are still hunting for a fourth suspect. Savoury had served eight years for attempted murder before being released last December after a successful appeal, Richardson said. Roberts has a lengthy record of drugs and gun possession, police say. The two adults are set to appear in Old City Hall court today. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:26:58 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Guns & Drugs Both Seized In Huge Raid http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_3268.aspx Guns & Drugs Both Seized In Huge Raid Friday September 1, 2006 http://www.citynews.ca/images/2006-09/sep01060-rifle.jpg "We probably hit the epicentre of drug trafficking in Regent Park today. You don't see 700 grams of crack cocaine together at once usually." Those are the words of Det. John Babiar, after a major police undercover operation netted not only a huge haul of drugs but a frightening cache of weapons. Plainclothes officers were patrolling in Regent Park early Friday morning, when they saw what appeared to be a drug deal in progress. They approached a suspect who immediately took off on foot, with cops in hot pursuit. He ran into a home on Regent Street, which cops allege is a safe house for gang and drug activity. They obtained a search warrant and found something they weren't expecting - a mother load of guns and cocaine. "We have seized a number of high-powered weapons and a large quantity of crack cocaine," Babiar reveals. "We have what appears to be an AK-47 assault rifle. We have a Sten machine gun. We also have a Desert Eagle .50-calibre pistol. We have a Glock pistol and an HK pistol along with a large amount of ammunition." And it appears those behind the stash were ready for business. "The ammunition was...packaged for sale in individual bags. So it appears that they are not only making the drugs at this address, but also selling the ammunition." Investigators admit they can go months making arrests and still never find this much contraband. "Sometimes we do get a break and here's a good example," muses Babiar. The home was registered to a woman but authorities don't believe she actually lives there. Some neighbours of the alleged crack house say they've noticed a decrease in drug trafficking in the area since the overnight arrests, but doubt it's going to last very long. While cops are happy with the find, they're less pleased about the reception they received in the neighbourhood. Officers say they were swarmed by an angry crowd as they went to make the arrest, and were forced to call for back-up. Twenty-one year-old Jermaine Rowe is facing 62 charges, mostly for drug and weapons offences. A 30-year-old man is charged with assaulting police. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:41:34 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Guns & Drugs Both Seized In Huge Raid Bruce Mills wrote: > http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_3268.aspx > > Guns & Drugs Both Seized In Huge Raid > > Friday September 1, 2006 > > http://www.citynews.ca/images/2006-09/sep01060-rifle.jpg > "We have what appears to be an AK-47 assault rifle. We have a Sten > machine gun. We also have a Desert Eagle .50-calibre pistol. We have a > Glock pistol and an HK pistol along with a large amount of ammunition." Take a look at the picture at the link, above. Look closely at the "AK-47" in the back - it has the classic flat, squared end to the receiver of a SKS, not the rakish, slanted end that an AK-47 has (in the photos I've seen, anyway). SKS: http://world.guns.ru/rifle/sks.jpg http://world.guns.ru/rifle/sks_1.jpg http://world.guns.ru/rifle/sks_chin.jpg http://world.guns.ru/rifle/sks_yugo.jpg http://world.guns.ru/rifle/sks_load.jpg AK-47: http://world.guns.ru/assault/ak.jpg http://world.guns.ru/assault/ak_54.jpg http://world.guns.ru/assault/akm.jpg http://world.guns.ru/assault/akms.jpg Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:06:59 -0600 (CST) From: Len Miller Subject: Canada's Continuing Tyranny To: Stock day Cc: Vic Toews , Garry Breitkreuz , Firearms digest You have several hundred thousand law-abiding gun owners made criminals, by the liberals . . You have an unfulfilled promise to keep . . The Tyranny of Good Intentions by Larry Pratt How we view government has a profound affect on our liberties. ( how 'our government' views us . . to an even greater degree . . ) Our founding fathers looked upon government as a shield to protect individual liberties. Most of our politicians today look upon government as the engine for doing good. This framework is described masterfully in a very important book entitled The Tyranny of Good Intentions: How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice by Paul Craig Roberts and Lawrence Stratton. The English liberty tradition of the law as a shield to protect individual liberties traces back to Alfred the Great in the ninth century. The notion of the law as an instrument of the policy of the rulers was articulated by, among others, Jeremy Bentham, a 17th century political philosopher. One of the more visible abuses of the law in our day is the ever-expanding number of reasons why police agencies are allowed to take people's cash, cars, houses and other property without a warrant, and without ever pressing charges. Justified in the name of giving police and prosecutors effective crime-fighting tools, the reality has become a license to steal because the proceeds of confiscation go to the very officers who carry out the forfeiture. The Tyranny of Good Intentions describes how the Communists made the law a weapon of the ruling elite. A process to seek justice was consciously rejected in place of a process to achieve the political objectives of the Communist Party. With that in mind, the authors paint a very disturbing picture of the perversion of the legal process in the United States that is now operating all too much like that of the Soviet Union. What is the end of this? Well, consider that one of the most horrifying features of totalitarian government is the concentration camp. Jeremy Bentham believed that people who might, because of their economic and social status, commit a crime . . should be apprehended and reformed through heavy labor. Hitler and Lenin must have had Bentham on their nightstand. So, too, might today's English Prime Minister, Tony Blair. ( and our present administration ) He is proposing that the government be allowed to confine people proactively, based on the fears of their potential danger to society. The Bible says that only God knows the hearts of men. Our Benthamite politicians obviously believe they share that divine knowledge. ====================================================================== And what, you ask, am I suggesting as our . . homegrown tyranny . . ? Should be obvious, the continuation of, and the adding to, of the Liberal's fraudulent 'gun control' act, and your intention to introduce C21 that of licencing . . Could you indicate how this would contribute to safety . . Mr. Minister of Safety ? Len Miller Vancouver 'confound your enemies' not your friends . . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:09:35 -0600 (CST) From: Rod Regier Subject: [fwd] Gunshots again ring out in Dartmouth (Nova Scotia) http://www.hfxnews.ca/index.cfm?sid=7887&sc=1 TOP STORY Friday, September 1, 2006 Ready, aim, fire Gunshots again ring out in Dartmouth neighbourhood By Richard Dooley The Daily News DARTMOUTH - The sound of gunfire in a Dartmouth neighbourhood is becoming too common for one resident. She's decided to move after hearing a volley of shots early yesterday morning behind an apartment building at 15 Kennedy Dr. Residents of the area called 911 around 2:30 a.m. after hearing four to six shots fired. One witness told police a car sped off towards Caledonia Road just after the shots were fired. It's the third shooting incident in the area in the last week and the fourth this summer. "That's it," said the woman who asked that she not be identified. "I have to get out of here." Back again Police were called to the same area last weekend after reports of shots fired. A search of a wooded area turned up two firearms left on the ground. A 14-year-old girl showed up at the IWK Health Centre a couple of hours later with a bullet hole in her leg. So far, she hasn't co-operated with police. Police say the two shootings are separate incidents. The woman said she's concerned for her own safety and for children living in the area. Officers arriving at the scene found a beige Nissan Maxima with several bullet holes in the hood and windshield. Police also found a bullet hole in a second floor apartment window at 15 Kennedy Dr., but don't believe the occupants are involved in the shooting or were the intended target. Police weapons experts believe the bullet may have deflected off the car into the apartment. The apartment was occupied at the time of the shooting but no injuries were reported. Investigators were told by witnesses that the Maxima arrived in a parking lot near the apartment building followed by a large black vehicle, possibly a Cadillac, with shiny wheel rims. Shots were fired and the Cadillac tore out of the parking lot. The owner of the Maxima was interviewed by police but investigators say they're still in the dark about what happened. One man told The Daily News about neighbourhood rumours about a "family feud" between two groups of people. Vendetta? "Somebody ripped something off from somebody else and now they want to get even," said the area resident, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The incident early yesterday follows a number of shootings in the Scotia Court area of Dartmouth. Halifax Regional Police Const. Jeff Carr said investigators are looking into whether the incidents are connected. But police aren't speculating on a possible motive for the shootings. rdooley@hfxnews.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:13:18 -0600 (CST) From: Mark L Horstead Subject: Re: Winning the War - --- bletchley park wrote: > That statement, coming from someone who in the past > has exhibited keen > insight on a broad range of subjects, Thank you. > seems rather odd. How on Earth > could anyone compare the clearly defined conflict of > World War 2, which > initially involved just England and France > challenging the mighty war > machine of the Third Reich, to occupational forces > fighting peasants > with RPG's and AK 47's that cannot be differentiated > from the general > population, defies logic Easily. The parallel is that things didn't go well in the early stages of WWII - or WWI - and yet we still won. One can compare the relative efforts and casualty rates as well - we're not putting anywhere near the effort into Afghanistan as we did in previous conflicts, nor are we seeing anywhere close to the same casualty rates. We had around a million people in uniform at the peak of WWII, and we're doing this one with well under one-tenth of that despite an enormous population growth. And it's not nice to forget nations like Belgium, Holland, Czechoslovakia, Poland etcetera even if they dropped out early with the exception of their citizens who escaped and fought on with us. But true, this is a different conflict in many ways. We have never fought with the same regard for civilian casualties or infrastructure before, nor have we fought an enemy like this before - but that still does not mean that we are losing or will lose. - ----does Vietnam come to > mind? Again, one can draw parallels, but there are many differences too - which still does not mean that we are losing or will lose. One major difference is that there were big scary countries backing up Vietnam. The countries backing up Al Quaida, the Taliban, and Hezbollah et al are not quite as scary - yet. > > What's the alternative? Ignore islamists > completely? > > Appease them? > > > > No. Absolutely not! What needs to be done is to > develope a new stratagy > for restructuring and sound economic developement. Sounds like the NDP. I'll point out that none of that can take place in an unsecure environment. Security has to come first or we'll run out of restructurers and sound economic developers in theatre way too quickly. > In five years of > occupation virtually nothing has been built to > improve the > infrastructure of the nation's hospitals? No. Power > stations? No. > Institutions of higher learning? No. Just abject > poverty. Considering that little of this existed before, save for the abject poverty, what do you expect? Germany and the rest of Europe took years to rebuild, by those with the knowledge and experience required to rebuild their cities and economies and under secure conditions. The challenges in Afghanistan are enormous, but the biggest one is being dealt with - the Taliban, who would not permit any development or decent standard of living. Somewhere I have an article describing the significant changes in Kabul, which now enjoys reasonable security where none existed previously and therefore can begin to prosper. I also am able to benefit from eyewitness accounts directly. One of the things that struck me when talking to the first of my friends and colleagues who returned from there was their expressions of optimism, in marked contrast to reports from other UN missions so beloved by lieberals and NDPers. Enthusiasm runs high within the CF for this mission, despite the losses, because our guys have seen the results of their work and the progress being made. > Canada has spent approximately three billion dollars > on this military > quagmire, "Quagmire" - the favoured lefty term. They can't make a speech or write a letter without it. Much of that money would have been spent regardless - troops still have to be paid, fed, and trained. And if we weren't in Afghanistan, the Canadian left would still be pressing for a unilateral invasion and resultant occupation of Sudan instead and we'd have no excuse. That one could be far messier. > in which even the mighty Pentagon states > that it is > reassessing it's war strategy with the goal of > indentifying the > *mistakes* made in Afghanistan. Analysis, adaptation, and applying lessons learned is a military constant. If armies are not being accused of planning to fight the next war like the last one, they're being accused by somebody else of the opposite - - analyzing errors, applying fixes, and seeking improvements. In that area, you're right - we can't win. Civilian institutions and businesses do the same thing, by the way, or succumb to competition. > By ignoring the dynamics involved in the ubiquitous > cultivation of > heroin, the coalition forces are only exacerbating > an existing crisis > that is channeling enormous funds to the Taliban war > chest. It's not being ignored, but it does represent a huge challenge - rather like the ubiquitous cultivation of high-grade marijuana in Canada that is channelling enormous funds to organized crime chests. We haven't solved that over many decades despite an orderly society and well-developed police forces. You expect this to be solved in Afghanistan more quickly? What do you suggest? Immediate and complete eradication of all poppy crops, or gradual crop replacement as true economy is built up? One causes starvation and hate and drives people into the Taliban, and the other gives them money, but less and less over time. Or do you have another plan? There is no immediate fix to any Afghan problem. They took millenia to produce, and the credits will not be rolling by the end of the hour. Does lack of instantaneous gratification mean that we should not try? Should Afghans simply be allowed to wallow in religious, nutritional, educational, medicinal, and recreational suffering? Are they not worthy of a helping hand? The answer, from those doing the actual work, is "No", "No", and "Yes", in that order. > > That's the true path to humiliation - and death, > > destruction, and misery. > > This time you are correct. The *death* is of the > cream of Canada's > military youth. While every such death is a tragedy - and I have friends and colleagues taking huge risks daily - this is still a very light casualty figure. And every one of those guys was where he or she wanted to be, doing what he or she believed in and wanted to do. We are all volunteers, and many - the reservists for example - had to compete for their positions in the task forces. > The further *destruction* is of a > Nation that has defied > occupation for over a century. There is little further destruction, and it is not us causing it. Check those other foreigners, the ones coming in via the Pakistani border. In contrast, Kabul is coming back to life and schools are re-opening all over DESPITE Taliban opposition to that. The people want their children, including girls, to have an education - one of the many things that the Taliban denied them. And Afghanistan is not "occupied" by us. While the Afghan government is flawed and will have problems for years to come, it was still elected openly and recognized by the UN and we are there by its invitation. Occupying forces to not prepare occupied nations for independence, as NATO is doing. Several of my friends have been involved with training the new Afghan National Army and have been very impressed by the efforts made by the Afghans themselves in that area and others. > The constant > impoveriched *misery* is of > her people. Who now have more hope than they've had for decades. That is why they are putting so much into rebuilding their nation: because they realize that they will not likely have another chance for several more decades. While there are often deep cultural differences between peoples, on an individual basis, people are more fundamentally alike. They want peace and security, a decent standard of living, freedom to go about their lives and worship as they wish, and a better life for their kids. Afghans are no different in that regard - many came to this country to seek what they had no hope of finding in their own. Many of those who stayed now have that hope. Remember the global concern immediately prior to the invasion, that hundreds of thousands were likely to starve over the winter? They didn't, because the Taliban no longer controlled their country. Remember the million or so refugees that went home? They could, because the Taliban no longer controlled their country. > As it stands today, without the > appropriate shift in > strategy, policy and economic developement, the war > is all but over. That's news to our guys actually conducting operations there. They're beating the same fearsome invincible warriors who beat the mighty Russians in pitched battles, and they're doing it with very few casualties even before factoring out the deaths from accident or negligent discharge. They see absolutely no reason for pessimism, other than lack of political and national will to see this through. The biggest threat to failure is not the Taliban, but the Canadian left. Now, as for the twist on my words, I want you to think how many millions would have been saved if nations had been willing to stand up to that Adolf chap when he first annexed the Sudetanland instead of sitting back while he casually swallowed up Europe bite-sized piece by bite-sized piece. Sure, it would have cost a few hundred or perhaps thousand casualties earlier in 1939 but everybody was into appeasement and nonconfrontationalism and avoid-war-at-any-cost then, too. Jack Layton is yesterday's Neville Chamberlain - "if only we talk and get to know each other better we'll all understand and get along" Do you really want to listen to the modern-day equivalent of that crowd, with their track record? Hezbollah exists solely and completely to bring about the complete destruction of Israel, and some Lieberal and NDP MPs - and many ordinary but naive citizens - believe if we have a nice chat they'll forget about their only reason for existence. Look how well that worked for old Nev in 1939. How many more US and other cities would have been struck by Osama's boys by now had he and his Taliban buds not been poked out of their Afghan resorts and killed or thrown into disarray? True, we'll never know, but if you have any evidence that they'd have been satisfied by just one day in September 2001 I'm willing to hear it. No tyrant - nazi, fascist, communist, or islamist - has ever been satisfied with swallowing their immediate neighbour only. The general pattern is that they'll keep gobbling up chunks of other people's homelands until their more distant neighbours finally get annoyed enough to get off of their fat, complacent, hand-wringing butts and smack them back down (at much higher cost). Muslims once controlled much of Europe. Many of them are naturally competitive and would like to try again. We can deal with that crowd now, close to their homes, or later, close to or in ours. What's your preference? European Jews couldn't or didn't want to see it coming either. > Bring our boys home soon -- preferably not in body > bags! Definitely. Once their job's done, and not before. If we leave prematurely, we abandon Afghans to the Taliban once more, and a world of starvation, stonings, amputations, and burqas and no education, sports, razors, kites, or music. We cannot help every down-trodden people in the world, but we can help some, and Afghans are at least as worthy of our help as any other, aren't they? Having freed them from their oppressors, it is only right to continue to protect them until the threat has been completely driven away and their own security forces are capable of taking over, isn't it? If we leave prematurely, we abandon our children or their children to the likes of the Taliban because every third-rate islamofascist would-be sword of God will (correctly) see us as weak and unwilling to defend ourselves. > > And who is Ehud Barak, and why is his/her crystal > ball > > any better than mine? > > Everybody is entitled to an opinion -- even if > you're wrong. But I'm not. People who taught me in school and taught me in my early military years and some who were just neighbours of mine, plus a family member who I never had the chance to meet, had to deal with Hitler. Friends and colleagues are now dealing with today's wannabes, and doing quite well at it despite what the likes of Jack Layton and the Toronto Star would have you think. By the way, I'll be at the CNE this weekend if anybody wants to stop by the Armed Forces display, in particular the Griffon helicopter, and say hello. I won't be there at all times as we're running shifts but should be around more often than not. And there'll probably be a few guys in other parts of the display that have an Afghan tour or two under their belts if anyone wants to discuss Hopeless Tasks and Quagmires (TM) with them. Mark [Moderator's Note: This is starting to get a little long-winded and off topic - further discussion will be sent to Chat. 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