From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #795 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, September 11 2006 Volume 09 : Number 795 In this issue: Cops led on wild chase The wrong lady to rob Re: Tory gov't cancels $1.5M Liberal Kyoto pledge Angel financial woes Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #794 Letter to the Editor (no subject) Re: Gunsmiths Liberal Justice Report FOX NEWS: Robbery, Gun Violence Rose in 2005 'UNOBJECTIVE PROPAGANDA' Re: Liberal Justice Report Re: Liberal Justice Report Re: Liberal Justice Report Re: Liberal Justice Report Relatives of crime victims speak out against violence: Three dead in Edmonton in weekend homicides Editorial: Wally Oppal the judge would have asked... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:19:13 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Cops led on wild chase http://www.torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2006/09/10/1821495-sun.html Cops led on wild chase Man allegedly pointed gun at them By KIM BRADLEY, TORONTO SUN Sun, September 10, 2006 A shotgun allegedly pointed at a police officer sparked a dramatic chase through Scarborough yesterday that ended with the takedown of a man who faces 23 charges. The chase started just after 10 a.m. around Kingston Rd. and Sandown Ave. after a man whom police were investigating for domestic violence allegedly pointed a shotgun at officers from the window of a silver pickup and then sped off. Police gave chase for 40 minutes, following the driver as he sped through red lights at 90 km/h along Gerrard St. E. and Danforth Rd. and up and down Birchmount Rd. and Warden Ave. before stopping at Midland Ave. near St. Clair Ave. E. During the chase, the suspect called his boss, whose 1976 Chevy was driving. "He said, 'The cops are chasing me. I'll bring your truck back,'" said Selmon Latchana, owner of Selmon's Custom Exhaust, who had lent his friend the truck to do errands. 'DON'T KILL ANYONE' "He was very panicked. I told him, 'Why don't you just stop.' He said, 'No, man, I'm not stopping. I'm bringing your truck back. I'm a man of my word.' "I said, 'Do what you gotta do, but don't kill anyone and I want my truck back in one piece.'" The chase went as far west as Coxwell Ave., as far east as Midland Ave., as far south as Kingston Rd. and as far north as St. Clair Ave. before Sean Bouffard, 34, gave himself up behind Latchana's shop on Granger Ave., a block west of Midland near Danforth Rd. "I'm very proud of the officers who conducted the pursuit," said Det. Brent Dillane. Dillane said officers first became involved after Bouffard's ex-wife alleged he had threatened to kill her. PERSONAL ISSUES Cops were staking out a vehicle near Cliffside Dr. and Kingston Rd. when a man showed up in Latchana's truck just before 10 a.m. At one point during the chase, the driver got out of the truck, waved a shotgun in the air and then drove off again, police said. Latchana said Bouffard, a part-time employee, is "a pretty good guy" who has personal issues "that made him blow a gasket." He said Bouffard and his wife split up a while ago. Officers were concerned about a bullet hole a superintendent discovered in Bouffard's ex-wife's apartment window and shotgun shell casings found on the ground below it. Dillane said that's still being investigated. Police are looking for the shotgun they saw during the chase; they believe it may have been thrown out the truck window near the Granger Ave. industrial complex. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 15:19:27 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: The wrong lady to rob http://www.torontosun.com/News/World/2006/09/10/1821508-sun.html The wrong lady to rob By AP Sun, September 10, 2006 NEW YORK -- Margaret Johnson might have looked like an easy target in her wheelchair. But when a man tried to grab a chain off her neck Friday, the 56-year-old pulled out her .357-calibre pistol and shot him. "There's not much to it," she said in a brief interview. "Somebody tried to mug me, and I shot him." Johnson said she was in Harlem on her way to a shooting range when the man, identified by police as Deron Johnson, 45, came up from behind and went for the chain. Deron Johnson was taken to Harlem Hospital with a single bullet wound to the elbow, police said. He faces a robbery charge, a police spokesman said. Margaret Johnson, who lives in Harlem, has a permit for the weapon and does not face charges. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:37:52 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Tory gov't cancels $1.5M Liberal Kyoto pledge - ----- Original Message ----- > http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060910/tories_kyoto_060610/20060910?hub=Canada > > Tory gov't cancels $1.5M Liberal Kyoto pledge > > Updated Sun. Sep. 10 2006 4:13 PM ET > Canadian Press > > OTTAWA -- The federal Conservatives are cancelling a $1.5 million pledge > by the previous Liberal government to help developing countries cut > greenhouse emissions under the rules of the Kyoto Protocol. > > Abandoning the pledge made at a United Nations conference in Montreal > last December is another blow to the teetering climate treaty which the > Conservative government still claims to support. > > The money would have gone to the treaty's clean development mechanism > (CDM), which allows industrialized countries to earn credits by > investing in emissions-cutting projects in the Third World. > > "Taxpayers' dollars will not be spent on international credits,'' said > Ryan Sparrow, spokesman for Environment Minister Rona Ambrose, in an > interview. > > "That's what our government's position has been since taking office.'' > > Canada was among 20 industrialized countries which collectively pledged > more than $8 million for the CDM. Canada's pledge, the biggest of any > country, was seen as a big boost for the Kyoto process. As far as I can see this Kyoto accord is nothing more than a welfare scheme for 3d world countries. Once we pay for their carbon credits ,all it means is that we will go on polluting at the same rate ,and so will they ,and they NEVER HAVE TO PAY THE MONEY BACK ~~!!!!!!!!!YOUR MONEY AT WORK ~!!!!!! ED/ONTARIO ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:13:16 -0600 (CST) From: "ross" Subject: Angel financial woes Toronto Mayor David Miller said the Angels' financial woes are proof that local residents have rejected a foreign-minded approach to dealing with crime. WHAT A MORON: Rather than give a chance to a group that does make a difference, Miller, and the chief of PO-leece slagged them at every chance. The fact Hoffer was paying the money out of hios own pocket tells us he wants to see the city get beter. Instead of support, Miller and his left leaning cronies tarred, feathered, slagged, besmmitrched and did everythiong possible to to shut down the angels. Hoffer should run for Mayor on a law and order platform, then as mayor the first act would be to fire Blair, and bring Fantino back. Toronto is the big smoke all right. mirrors and all. its also the city where the mayor is a moron trying to be promoted to idiot. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:13:45 -0600 (CST) From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #794 > Radio-Canada employees are not allowed to express their opinions on > controversial issues. Utter claptrap! All Canadians enjoy the absolute right to freedom of speech and expression. As long as she did not hold out her views as being those of radio Canada, then they have no authority to censure her. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association President, Guysborough County Horse and Pony Association Member All For Horses Association, Nova Scotia Equestrian Federation Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:10:40 -0600 (CST) From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Letter to the Editor To: letters@thespec.com Thank you for the report about wheelchair-bound, 56 year old Margaret Johnson who used her lawful defensive sidearm to protect herself from a mugger. Firearms are used by ordinary citizens to save lives 40 times more often than they are abused by criminals to take life. Bizarrely and unfortunately in Canada, all one usually reads about in the papers are the murders, and only seldom the saves. In most defensive uses of guns, in fact in 98% of them, the gun is not even fired. Its mere presence is enough to send the assailant packing and buy his intended victim a new lease on her life. Premeditated self defense is no more an act of aggression than is wearing a seatbelt when driving, a life jacket when boating, or keeping a fire extinguisher in our home. It does not mean we are looking for a fight, but rather that we are prepared to effectively defend ourselves in the unfortunate event of an unavoidable violent assault. We all have the inalienable right to life. Because the State both cannot and will not guarantee us protection from criminal assault, but can only investigate after the act is over, it is every citizen's right to train and equip for effective self defense. In a truly civilized country it is the criminals who fear their intended victims, not the other way around as is currently the case in Canada. Because of their smaller stature women benefit the most from carrying a concealed sidearm. Armed self defense should be the premier feminist issue of this decade. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association President, Guysborough County Horse and Pony Association Member All For Horses Association, Nova Scotia Equestrian Federation Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:11:20 -0600 (CST) From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: (no subject) John, Take the pins out and clean the cavities they reside in. Sometimes crud will build up in front of the pin's shoulder to the point that it can't dent the primer deeply enough to ensure reliable ignition. If this fails, try switching the main springs to see if a weak spring is the problem. Failing that, try Valhalla Sports in Bible Hill NS. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association President, Guysborough County Horse and Pony Association Member All For Horses Association, Nova Scotia Equestrian Federation Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:27:17 -0600 (CST) From: wmartind@telusplanet.net Subject: Re: Gunsmiths > You can always try Western Gun Parts out of Edmonton. I've ordered from > them before. > > http://www.westerngunparts.com/default.htm > > Jim Szpajcher > St. Paul, AB I've occasionally walked in their door and asked for some rather obscure parts (the pin that holds the mini-14 gas piston in the gas block (wrong names, I know) and the piston) - 2 minutes later I was walking out the door with the parts. WGP are very well stocked. Walter Calgary (formerly resident of, and frequent visitor to Edmonton) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:21:05 -0600 (CST) From: Douglas Bailey Subject: Liberal Justice Report I picked this out of the Liberal Justice Report. Anyone wish to point out the errors? 12.The Task Force recommends that Canada’s Firearms Program and “gun registry” be maintained as an effective crime-fighting tool and a significant contributor to greater community safety. There have certainly been problems with the costs and management of the registry in the past and no one condones the conduct or problematic management and oversight that led to this. However, as the Auditor General confirmed, costs and management of the Firearms Program are now under control. Among other things, the Task Force notes that: • The police continue to support the law – they use the system 5000 times each day. It has been used to produce over 3000 affidavits to support criminal prosecutions. Since the Firearms 20 Ibid. pages 212, 231. 16 Act came into force, approximately 15,965 firearm licences have been refused. · Just released data from Statistics Canada show that firearms deaths in Canada were 792 in 2003, down from 1125 in 1995. During this period, 333 fewer people were killed with firearms in 2003 than in 1995. Homicides with rifles and shotguns are down, suicides with firearms are down. Domestic violence with firearms has plummeted (although murders by other means have not). · The law protects women. Since 1995, murders of women with firearms have gone down 33%. Meanwhile, the number of murders of women without firearms has increased slightly. While fewer than half of Canada’s 2 million gun owners support the legislation, 77% of persons living with firearms owners support it. · The Supreme Court of Canada unanimously ruled that registration and licensing are linked and that it is not reasonable to have one without the other. · Most industrialized countries license gun owners and register guns. The Harper government announcement of a registration amnesty which effectively guts the Program, and now the legislation to eliminate the registration of rifles and shotguns, is a step backwards and away from greater public safety.21 Furthermore, Canadian taxpayers, having already invested their tax dollars in building “the registry” now deserve to reap the benefits of this investment.22 Guess who one of the authors was? Our dear friend Wendy ============================================================================== Never try to negotiate peace from a position of weakness! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:21:28 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: FOX NEWS: Robbery, Gun Violence Rose in 2005 FOX NEWS Robbery, Gun Violence Rose in 2005 While Crime Overall at 32-Year Low Sunday , September 10, 2006 http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,213248,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:21:52 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: 'UNOBJECTIVE PROPAGANDA' 'UNOBJECTIVE PROPAGANDA' Writer disputes 'indisputable' arms claims By Ian Conlon Re Rick Daniel letter, "Allowing citizens to have weapons cuts crime," Aug. 29: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/sunnews/news/opinion/15485020.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:26:42 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Liberal Justice Report Douglas Bailey wrote: > I picked this out of the Liberal Justice Report. > Guess who one of the authors was? > Our dear friend Wendy Do you have a better citation for this report, or perhaps a link to it? Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:54:22 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Liberal Justice Report - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Bailey" > Guess who one of the authors was? > Our dear friend Wendy This sounds like a repeat of her previous mantras , Nothing new here ~!!!^&&%%$$#$^&**( commie bitch~!!! ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 07:30:47 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Liberal Justice Report Douglas Bailey wrote: > · The Supreme Court of Canada unanimously ruled that > registration and licensing are linked and that it is not reasonable to > have one without the other. I wanted to address this particularly insidious piece of semantic gerrymandering - this is *NOT* what the Supreme Court of Canada said! Here is the actual wording from the Reference Re: Firearms Act, 2000, http://www.lexum.umontreal.ca/csc-scc/en/pub/2000/vol1/html/2000scr1_0783.html "The registration provisions cannot be severed from the rest of the Act. The licensing provisions require everyone who possesses a gun to be licensed; the registration provisions require all guns to be registered. These portions of the Firearms Act are both tightly linked to Parliament's goal of promoting safety by reducing the misuse of any and all firearms. Both portions are integral and necessary to the operation of the scheme." Careful reading of this will show that licensing and registration are not unilaterally, universally, and irrevocably linked to each other - this should be obvious, because "licensing" can and does exist in the law without "registration". This was a faulty rendering by the SCC. Rather they are linked by "[the Lieberal] Parliament's goal" and their "scheme". Only if you subscribe to the purpose and effectiveness of the Lieberal's "scheme" are they linked. Repudiate the "scheme" and the link disappears... All the rest of Windy Wendy's absolute and utter bullshit have been refuted time and time again; even in this report, they show that while the number of deaths and murders using guns are down, the overall number of deaths from all/other means are up. This categorically shows that guns are not "the problem" - criminals are! Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 07:46:31 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: Re: Liberal Justice Report - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Mills" > All the rest of Windy Wendy's absolute and utter bullshit have been > refuted time and time again; even in this report, they show that while > the number of deaths and murders using guns are down, the overall number > of deaths from all/other means are up. This categorically shows that > guns are not "the problem" - criminals are! Seems she gets all the media biased support though ? Even though her rantings are repeats of her initial opnes many times over. Shes like a broken record . she has nothing new to contribute . Someone on here with much superiour communications skills than mine should be able to refute her garbage to the media involved. Even if the rebuttal is the same as what has been stated previously. How many times have guns saved lives in Canada on an annual basis ? This NEVER gets reported . Until we can convince the Liberal Commie media to report on these occurrences we WILL be fighting an uphill battle . ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:03:06 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Relatives of crime victims speak out against violence: PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald DATE: 2006.09.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: City & Region PAGE: B1 / Front BYLINE: Jamie Komarnicki SOURCE: Calgary Herald ILLUSTRATION: Colour Photo: Ted Rhodes, Calgary Herald / Marchers arriveat the Court of Queen's Bench building in downtown Calgary on Sunday during the Walk For Justice. The marchers are seeking improvements in the justice system, while some were protesting the lack of progress on the murder cases of their relatives. WORD COUNT: 392 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Relatives of crime victims speak out against violence: Nearly 100 march to raise awareness - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gazing at young children holding their parents' hands and earnestly chanting for change brought a wave of bittersweet feelings over the loss of her only son, said Nicole Richard at a protest march Sunday organized to demand improvements to the justice system. It's been only two weeks since Eric Regimbald, 23, was dumped out of a car in downtown Calgary and died. "It's just so fresh. I'm still in shock," Richard said, clutching a placard with a colour photo of Eric wearing a backwards baseball cap and a sweet smile. "I just had one," she added, wiping away tears and folding her arms across her chest. Regimbald was addicted to crack cocaine; his parents tried several times to get him into detox programs, but were turned away due to lengthy waiting lists. "I'm not trying to make him an angel or anything," she said. "Today, it's about the arrest. We'd like the killers to be arrested." Tragedy over the loss of a loved one united families and friends of murder victims at Sunday's protest march. Nearly 100 marchers wound their way from the former Nyla Nightclub site, where Steffi Stehwien's son Aaron Shoulders was stabbed to death three years ago. Waving banners and placards and wearing commemorative T-shirts, they shouted slogans as they made their way to the Court of Queen's Bench building. "With all the violence in Calgary, we're outraged and we're speaking out," said Stehwien, who organized the march to give a voice to the "secondary victims," those left behind. "We've been sentenced for life. It's a daily nightmare." Families of murder victims never really find closure, said Cher Ewing, whose daughter Kristen Deyell was shot dead outside a bar in Mexico two years ago. "You just have to learn to live with it and try to make change. "Society has to take a stand against escalating violence." Harsher penalties and more police investigative units are necessary to combat crime, Stehwien said. Years later, her son's killer or killers continue to elude arrest. She vowed to make the march a yearly event and bring their concerns to the attention of all levels of government. Erin Green's brother Jeremy was lured into a downtown alley and slain by a single punch on Oct. 1, netting his two killers $160 to feed their cocaine addiction. While the convicted pair will have the chance to turn their life around when they get out of jail, her brother, who "led a great life and was going in the right direction," is never coming back, Green said. "At first, you don't know what to do with yourself, you just lay on the couch, you don't get up," she said. But now she's ready to make her concerns with the justice system known. "Now I'm starting to get mad. I'm finally being in contact with other people. Everyone's done their own bit of research, and I'm definitely going to pursue it." jkomarnicki@theherald.canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:11:44 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Three dead in Edmonton in weekend homicides http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060911.NATS11-1/TPStory/National Canada in Brief Three dead in Edmonton in weekend homicides PATRICK BRETHOUR Edmonton was rocked by a spate of homicides over the weekend, with three people slain in unrelated incidents in a single day. Police believe that the latest killing, in which a woman in her 20s was shot in the head, is gang related. Just before midnight on Saturday, police say, a van pulled alongside a Mercedes that the woman was driving. Seconds later, several shots were fired from the van, killing the woman and wounding two men in the car. Twenty-three hours earlier, a 28-year-old man was found dead from a knife wound outside a west-end apartment building. Police are looking for two men who were seen running from the scene. Shortly after 3 a.m. on Saturday, another stabbing victim was found in north Edmonton, in a field behind a townhouse. Police said the 21-year-old man died after a fight between two groups led to one man chasing three other males. The attackers are described as being in their late teens or early 20s and of medium height. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:13:25 -0600 (CST) From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Majordomo User) Subject: Editorial: Wally Oppal the judge would have asked... PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: 2006.09.11 PAGE: A14 SECTION: Editorial EDITION: Metro WORD COUNT: 645 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ B.C. tells an odd story in a young man's death - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wally Oppal the judge would have been deeply suspicious of the story that Wally Oppal the B.C. Attorney-General is telling Canadians. A young B.C. man with no criminal record is taken to an RCMP station on a misdemeanour. Twenty minutes later, he is dead from a bullet to the back of the head. Wally Oppal the Attorney-General says the young man was choking the arresting officer, who had no choice but to kill in self-defence. Wally Oppal the appeal court judge would have wondered whether a young man with a clean record would try to choke a police officer to death within 20 minutes of being taken into custody. Mr. Oppal has never seen the file on the Ian Bush case. He was briefed by Crown counsel on it. The facts available to the Crown came from the RCMP investigation into the shooting by its own officer. Mr. Oppal cannot be certain, without looking at the file, whether that investigation of the death was thorough. As Attorney-General, Mr. Oppal is ultimately responsible for ensuring that this deadly shooting in virtually unheard-of circumstances is properly investigated and resolved in a just manner. But when Wally Oppal the Attorney-General offers his legal analysis, attached to it is the credibility he earned when he was Wally Oppal the judge -- initially on the B.C. Supreme Court, beginning in 1985, and then on the B.C. Court of Appeal in 2003. (He resigned from the bench last year to enter politics.) But Wally Oppal the appeal court judge would not have given a legal opinion on the basis of a summary of facts. There is nothing at all judicial in the analysis Mr. Oppal is offering. Mr. Oppal's version of events is an abbreviated form of the description that the officer, Constable Paul Koester, gave in his statement of defence in a civil suit filed by the parents of the dead young man, 22-year-old Ian Bush of Houston, B.C. Constable Koester says he gave Mr. Bush a paper to sign promising he would appear in court. Mr. Bush began punching him in the face and head. Constable Koester then, while fighting back, told Mr. Bush he could leave without signing the paper. Mr. Bush began choking him from behind. (The statement does not say whether it was with his hands, his shoulder or twine.) Constable Koester felt he was passing out. He withdrew his revolver. He struck Mr. Bush with the butt of the revolver several times, but failed to break the hold. Finally he shot him, he said, because he had a reasonable belief that would be killed or grievously harmed if he did not. Wally Oppal the appeal court judge would have asked (as anyone would who ponders the official/Constable Koester version of events): Did the officer provoke the young man's assault? Was the young man, if he was choking the officer, acting in self-defence himself? Under the law of self-defence, "it's not sufficient to consider a choke in the abstract," says Greg DelBigio, an adjunct professor at the University of British Columbia law school. "It's necessary to consider what precisely occurred at that time, in those circumstances, and what were the reasons that the police officer acted in the way that he did." Would Constable Koester offer to waive the promise-to-appear note from a man who had just battered him? This is the same Constable Koester who arrested Mr. Bush for giving a false name when asked about an open beer he was holding. If he was offering to set Mr. Bush free immediately, why would Mr. Bush try to choke him to death? These men were roughly the same size; Mr. Bush was a bit stockier. How did their training in physical battle compare? With few facts in the public domain, there is little reason for the public to accept that Constable Koester acted in self-defence. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V9 #795 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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