From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #358 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, March 29 2007 Volume 10 : Number 358 In this issue: City sees sharp rise in knife crimes Re: Who Needs JTF2 Re: Semi-autos still in the Liberals' sights RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #357 JTF-2 Re: Political Reality Re: JTF-2 Political Reality(s) What Party? Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #357 "Thoughts From The Gunner's Guru" Re: What Party? more on Quebec election results SUN MEDIA COLUMN: Super Mario's Autonomous State of Quebec ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:30:42 -0400 From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: City sees sharp rise in knife crimes PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald DATE: 2007.03.29 EDITION: Final SECTION: City & Region PAGE: B8 ILLUSTRATION: Colour Photo: Calgary Herald Archive / While gun crimes weredown 6.5 per cent in 2006, the number of knife-related offences went up 12 per cent. BYLINE: Jamie Komarnicki, with files from Sarah Chapman, CalgaryHerald. SOURCE: Calgary Herald WORD COUNT: 217 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- City sees sharp rise in knife crimes - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- The number of knife attacks in Calgary shot up last year, according to the latest crime statistics, leading police Chief Jack Beaton to question whether gangs are trading in guns for knives. Knife-related offences hit 815 last year, up 12 per cent from the 728 offences recorded in 2005. After a spate of summer shootings last year, police stepped up efforts to combat gang violence -- a campaign that seems to be working, Beaton said. Firearm usage decreased by 6.4 per cent last year. "We seem to have suppressed that (firearms), but then we see the knives issue go up, so the question is, Have they traded their guns for knives? We've had a lot of knifings in our city over the last couple of years," Beaton said. "It's not something we want to see. It's violence in our city that's not acceptable." Overall, both weapon usage and weapon attacks causing injury decreased slightly last year. But Ward 12 Ald. Ric McIver said sharp increases in knife crimes should be taken seriously, citing public education and stricter penalties as possible measures. "Any good feeling we have about less gun crimes is taken away by knife crimes," said McIver, who sits on the police commission. "I take no comfort in the weapon of choice switching from a gun to a knife." Another concerning trend, McIver said, is the number of car thefts, which skyrocketed by nearly 44 per cent last year. There were 45 homicide offences in Calgary last year as compared to 39 in 2005. Those figures includes murders, attempted murders, criminal negligence and other offences causing death. Beaton said homicides are one of the more "volatile" statistics. jkomarnicki@theherald.canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:39:56 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Who Needs JTF2 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ross" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:19 PM Subject: Who Needs JTF2 > Who needs JTF 2 when we have the Directorate of dangerous goods. > > If one wont finish us off, the other will. > > Double doom on firearms owners. The only second class citizens in canada > where every branch of the government is gunning for us. > > I just wonder WHY their operations are secret ? Are they illegal and/or immoral in todays context ? Most, if? not all, other operations of the Canadian forces are an open book , after the fact. I can just hear the whining already ,when these super troops come pounding through gun-owners doors after the Liberals rescind all gun licences. [The only ones they WONT get are the ones from gun-owners who didn't register .(They wont know who they are )They are the true Canadian heroes.] These are highly trained men to follow orders, and if they are told to do just that, they will, and devil take the hindmost. Welcome to The New World Order, and the NAU. We might be fighting a losing battle ?,(heaven forbid) but it sure beats bending over every time the government squeaks. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:04:43 -0800 From: Robert LaCasse Subject: Re: Semi-autos still in the Liberals' sights On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:52:40 -0800, in can.talk.guns ©wizard@french-connection.cid wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:27:28 -0400, ZombyWoof wrote: |>Because they are all chickenshits who for some reason they are under |>the delusion that if they scarf up all the firearms the bad guys are |>going to have em anymore. Oh they also think that Law Enforcement & |>Police are synonymous terms. Ok,...... aren't Law Enforcement & Police somewhat synonymous terms in all their actions....In the expression *Law Enforcement Officers* the 2 seem to be combined as the same bunch of annoyances.... It's like *Lawyers* Civil/Commercial/Criminal Lawyers are a combined term with senators, judges, Dictators who pass all these laws as Lawmakers, but they are all just called "Lawyers"... At his last trial J. Christ said....(loosely translated)..."Damn All Lawyers for what they are"....... - -- Triad Productions-Fantalla®~EZine~ParaNovel National Association of Assault Research (http://boblacasse.150m.com/htmlconc.html) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:19:09 -0300 From: "Frank Cochrane" Subject: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #357 JTF-2 Why just because we all wallow in our own little pool of self pity as gun owners do we feel the need to run down some of Canada's best? These soldiers have more courage in one little bone of their body then all of us on this digest put together, with maybe the exception of Bruce Montague, Ed Hudson, Jack Wilson, and a few others of the frontline defenders of our firearms rights, who I know the sacrifices they have made and are making still. http://www.ops.forces.gc.ca/units/jtf2/pages/about_e.asp Here is a decent resource for you to get some facts on the JTF2. Why would the government have to use a military unit that is trained and effectively used to deal with much more hardcore individuals then us. It doesn't and to suggest so is a joke. The government has Hugh police resources and a Liberalized Justice System rift with hard core bleeding hearts to keep us crazy gun owners in line until they can find a way to round us up and make us disappear. So perhaps running down a highly motivated, highly trained group of Canadians who are willing to lay their lives down to protect Canada from terrorism at home and abroad is a bit off the mark. Lets keep the blame where it belongs. I know that when the day comes and there is a knock on my door to haul me away for defying the Firearm's Act I won't warrant the attention of the JTF2, it will be a couple of squad cars with several RCMP officers following their orders. Maybe I am just not as big a threat as some, the JTF2 won't get to fly to Nova Scotia, parachute in and set up fifty cal. Sniper rifles to neutralize me. Ah well alas, I must go back to digging my escape tunnel to Maine. Cheers, Frank Cochrane "mred" wrote: Sounds to me like an oversized goon squad picked to suppress any insurgence by Canadian gun-owners as well as their "other " duties. ed/ontario From: "ross" Subject: Who Needs JTF2 Who needs JTF 2 when we have the Directorate of dangerous goods. If one wont finish us off, the other will. Double doom on firearms owners. The only second class citizens in canada where every branch of the government is gunning for us. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:12:16 -0700 From: "Al Muir" Subject: Re: Political Reality > > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:17:25 -0700 > From: "Todd Birch" > Subject: Political Reality > > The weeping and wailing of gun owners about the failure of the CPC to live > up to expectations is disingenuous at the very least, political naivety at > best. Already covered. Al Support criminal control, not placebo gun control ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:32:52 -0800 From: Robert LaCasse Subject: Re: JTF-2 Keywords: E-Zine, Photo, Camera, Banking, Arts, Searches, Scooters, Video, Conspiracy, Politics, SportsPistols! Organization: Triad Productions (c) National Association of Assault Research - http://reachme.at/bob On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 06:41:49 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>---------------------------------------------------------------------- |> |>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:55:06 -0600 |>From: Rick Lowe |>Subject: JTF-2 |> |>"mred" wrote: |> |>> Sounds to me like an oversized goon squad picked to suppress any |>> insurgence by Canadian gun-owners as well as their "other " duties. |>> ed/ontario |> |>JTF-2 is a group of about the finest and most dedicated citizens of |>Canada. It is my honour and priviledge to know one of the people who |>set up the training and infrastructure of the teams, and at least three |>individuals who serve on those teams. I have trained some of those |>individuals, served under others, parachuted with all, and know the Are high on something.....in love with some type of Canada concept...sounds like fun to see those days from 50 years ago again....seems like the Military Male Bonding recovery. Did They JTF2 and Rainville's Mercenaries hafta go for the redundant FAC/PAL, costs,...real life hassles...who is their Brigadier I wonder???? I don't care for a JTF2, I asked an Nwest and his RCMP buddy jokingly if he was in the JTF2 since his release from the Sturm Truppen work they finished down south 2 years ago.......one of them just blasted out with a huge laughter that just went on and on.............I still don't get what was so funny...?? - -- Triad Productions-Fantalla®~EZine~ParaNovel National Association of Assault Research (http://boblacasse.150m.com/htmlconc.html) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:01:13 -0700 From: "Al Muir" Subject: Political Reality(s) > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:13:12 -0400 (EDT) > From: Bruce Mills > Subject: Re: Political Reality > > - --- Todd Birch wrote: > >> So what do we achieve by witholding support for the >> CPC in any forthcoming >> election? We guarantee a resurgence of the Liberals >> with all that entails, >> placing us squarely between a rock (shades of Alan?) >> and a hard place. > > I'm all for a Lieberal majority next time out... Other options would be to support independent candidates or a do not vote strategy. There are many ridings that do not have an independent candidate. A do not vote strategy would have to be widespread to be effective Because of the nature of party politics voting for a candidate because they tell you they will go against party policy( real not written) is risky business. If we can all agree on anything it is that politicians cannot be trusted. A minority government where one or the other held the balance of power is a doable option . The important part is that C-21 must not pass. It should be clear to most that the CPC is setting up C-21 for after the next election. I have serious questions about the motivations of any gun owner that believes the CPC will change anything further even with a majority I might be a good strategy to look at close ridings to attempt to push them in the direction we want them to go. I would not be adverse to sending a donation to any riding that might knock off a CPC candidate to help deny them a majority. The most important point is we must get off our hands and get the CPC true intentions out to average gun owners. We need more frequent letters like the one I had published in the Moncton Times and Transcript to insure that happens. Perhaps we could link these letters to publications in close ridings. In any event we need to make up our minds as to what our plan of action will be and get on with it. I have lost the article where The NRA is trashed for their failings when they try to draft legislation. I believe a section of that is devoted to those that would slow our progress in fighting for gun owner rights. I would like to extract some quotes in that regard, to use against our "friends" when required. I would appreciate it is someone would resubmit a copy of that article to this forum. Al Support criminal control, not placebo gun control ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:11:24 -0700 From: "Al Muir" Subject: What Party? > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:32:37 -0800 > From: Robert LaCasse > Subject: Re: Ontario Out of Doors-Semi-autos...the Liberals' sights > |>Date: Tue, March 27, 2007 2:10 pm > |>From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca > |>Subject: Ontario Out of Doors - Semi-autos still in the Liberals' sights > |> > |>ONTARIO OUT OF DOORS - FISHING ANNUAL 2007 > |>Semi-autos still in the Liberals' sights > |> http://www.huntontario.com/homepage/news/article.jsp?content=20070305_135150_3208&page=3 > |> > |>------------------------------ > > That should do it the Redundant "repeater" concept again, if absolutely > Necessary....... > > What is wrong with these dedicated anti-gun pussies, they have the > honed autonomic intellect of a cockroach in their futile approach to > cause us literal/legal defenition misery of the theater of the absurd. Given the letter from a CPC MP that Paul posted a relevant question would be what parties sights are semi-autos not in? Al Support criminal control, not placebo gun control ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:41:53 -0300 From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #357 Sounds like a gang culture to me, with all the attendant codes of silence and comply-or-suffer-the-consequences. No surprise there. It all comes from the top, and at the top was the Shawinigan Strangler and his side kick "Boots" Zacardelli. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Secretary, St. Mary's Shooters Association President, Guysborough County Horse and Pony Association Member All For Horses Association, Nova Scotia Equestrian Federation Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:56:06 -0700 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: "Thoughts From The Gunner's Guru" In a special issue of Shooting Times/Guns and Ammo, the late Jeff Cooper is remembered, eulogized and quoted: "Weapons are the tools of power. In the hands of the state, they can be the tools of decency or the tools of oppression, depending on the righteousness of that state. In the hands of criminals, they they are the tools of evil. In the hands of the free and decent citizen, they should be the tools of liberty. Weapons compound man's power to achieve whatever purpose he may have. They amplify the calabilities of both the good man and the bad, and to exactly yhe same degree, having no will of their own. Thus, we must regard them as servants, not masters - and good servants of good men.Without them, man is diminished, and his opportunities to fulfill his destiny are lessened. An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." Cooper's Wisdom: "The most pervasive and least condemned form of dishonesty is is not doing the best we can." "The trouble with history is that it is not politically correct; thus we see the modern counterculture historians adjusting it to fit their ideology. This particularly noticeable in the movie industry, but in the Age of Illusion there are very few people who are concerned about the truth." "One bleeding heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that "violence begets violence". I told him that it is my earnest endeavour to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure - and in some ways I have - that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy." "Cowboy Shooting certainly seems to be a howling success, but this is all to the good, whether it makes any sense or not. Fads do not have to make sense, and in all of us there seems to be a strong urge to get up in fancy dress and go play acting. If fads contribute to the shooting sports, more power to them." And my favourite: "...an ingenious solution to a non-existent problem..."; an expression applicable to many things in life, not just the double-action semi-auto pistol. Often criticized by some who lacked his credentials and life experience, he left a lasting legacy of truth, decency and personal honour. He is greatly missed by many. It is to be regretted that we lack a man of his stature in Canada as a spokeman for our cause. TB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:24:13 -0500 From: Paul Chicoine Subject: Re: What Party? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Muir" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:11 AM Subject: What Party? > > > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:32:37 -0800 > > From: Robert LaCasse > > Subject: Re: Ontario Out of Doors-Semi-autos...the Liberals' sights > > |>Date: Tue, March 27, 2007 2:10 pm > > |>From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca > > |>Subject: Ontario Out of Doors - Semi-autos still in the Liberals' sights > > |> > > |>ONTARIO OUT OF DOORS - FISHING ANNUAL 2007 > > |>Semi-autos still in the Liberals' sights > > |> > http://www.huntontario.com/homepage/news/article.jsp?content=20070305_135150_3208&page=3 > > |> > > |>------------------------------ > > > > That should do it the Redundant "repeater" concept again, if absolutely > > Necessary....... > > > > What is wrong with these dedicated anti-gun pussies, they have the > > honed autonomic intellect of a cockroach in their futile approach to > > cause us literal/legal defenition misery of the theater of the absurd. > > Given the letter from a CPC MP that Paul posted a relevant question would > be what parties sights are semi-autos not in? > > Al > Support criminal control, not placebo gun control > I'm told the letter comes from David Emerson. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:22:49 -0700 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: more on Quebec election results "Anglos overcome guilt with arrogance"??? Guilt for what? Winning the war for dominance in North America and offering to allow the losers to retain their language, customs and civil law? And if you want a taste of "arrogance", try living in Quebec as an Anglo. "Natives are kept in their place by the Indian Act and cash to the noisy ones". The Indians are where they want to be; just like the rest of us. I've lived in areas with reserves all around me for the past 15 years and worked on some daily. By and large, they are content with their lot. It's cliche, but my experience is that while you can take the Indian out of the Rez, you can't take the Rez out of the Indian. They don't want to lose what it means to be 'Indian' by integrating. $10 billion a year to DIAND for less than 5% of the population is more than a bit of cash to the "noisy ones". Pity some of it doesn't filter down to those who need it most. And just like Quebec, it's never enough for them. Transfer payments make sure that the 'have not' provinces have a standard of life equal (or more so) to that of the 'have' provinces. As far as the non-pale faced "New Canadians" paying exorbitant taxes, they can opt to return from whence they came for a better deal. In the meantime, helping to pay for some of what they take out isn't a bad thing. As for us "pale faces" becoming a dying breed in our own country, take the SkyTrain or any other form of mass transit in Vancouver and you will see it's already happened. You are very much part of a 'visible minority'. This applies in other major cities as well. China wants what is happening to us??? That must be why we are flooded with Norinco arms. The US is still plotting to invade Canada? Third time lucky, maybe? You lost me on those ...... TB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, March 29, 2007 10:22 am From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: SUN MEDIA COLUMN: Super Mario's Autonomous State of Quebec - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2007.03.29 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial/Opinion PAGE: 15 BYLINE: GREG WESTON COLUMN: National Affairs WORD COUNT: 470 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- Definitions please Super Mario's Autonomous State of Quebec still hard to figure out - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- Mario Dumont's stunning rise to nearly-premier in this week's Quebec election has provided the Canadian political lexicon with two new ways to say "here comes trouble" in both official languages. First, Dumont and his Action Democratique Party managed to steal votes in droves from both the ruling Liberals and the separatist Parti Quebecois in large measure by campaigning on something called "Quebec autonomy." While we are told "autonomy" should not be confused with past concepts such as a distinct society or sovereignty association, confusion nonetheless seems to be very much a part of Dumont's political modus operandi. After 32 days of putting Dumont and his party under intense scrutiny in the election, even veteran reporters and political analysts who covered the campaign remain predominantly baffled by this thing the ADQ calls "autonomy." Dumont says that while he would never back another sovereignty referendum, he is no federalist, either: "I hope that is not how people perceive me. That would be a mistake." So, what does autonomy mean? "All the positions that we will take, all the proposals we will make, will be based on the philosophy that we want Quebec to gain more autonomy," Dumont said this week. Quebec already has (extorted) control over many areas of traditional federal jurisdiction such as immigration, culture, manpower training, national child care schemes, and even parental leave and other handouts funded by the federal Empoyment Insurance plan. The province has French-language laws that violate the Charter, its own seat on the United Nations agency UNESCO, and thanks to Stephen Harper, parliamentary recognition of the Quebecois as a "nation." What more could Dumont want? Apparently, lots. He would like Quebec to heave the Canada Health Act, and move to a mix of public and private medical care. Dumont thinks it would be better for Quebec to collect all of its own income and other taxes, sending an appropriate amount to Ottawa (read: Not much), rather than the other way around. The ADQ platform also talks about Quebecers getting their own citizenship and separate constitution. And while they're at it, Dumont apparently thinks it would be a nice touch to rename the whole place the "Autonomous State of Quebec." Add it all up, and the definition of "autonomous" would appear to be a province that controls everything and everyone within its borders, while the rest of Canada just sends money. Sweet. The other catchy concept Dumont and the ADQ have added to the national political discourse is "reasonable accommodation" of religious minorities and ethnic cultures. More to the point, Dumont stirred something close to an electoral fervour behind his hard-line stance of not accommodating "unreasonable" religious values and ethnic practices. Of course, like Quebec autonomy, Dumont has not given any clear definition of what is reasonable accommodation, a politically clever move that left Quebec voters to imagine their own standards of bias. No matter how vague Dumont's concept of ethnic integration may be, its obvious appeal with Quebecers -- and, polls suggest, a far larger audience nationally -- should be no real surprise. Remember, we are talking about home to Herouxville, the town that recently drafted a code of conduct for its citizens, officially banning the stoning of women, while enshrining booze and Christmas trees as facts of Quebec life that newcomers would just have to get used to. In Montreal, the YMCA agreed to tint its windows so Hasidic Jews wouldn't see women exercising. And on the eve of this week's election, provincial officials decreed that Muslim women would have to expose their faces to vote. Reasonable accommodation in the Autonomous State of Quebec -- Super Mario could stir up one super pot of trouble. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #358 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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