From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #399 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, April 16 2007 Volume 10 : Number 399 In this issue: Re: selling firearms site conversations with Ottawa Fw:Extension of amnesty to register previously un-registered... no charges Re: no charges Philadelphia Struggles to Quell an Epidemic of Gun Violence Liberals, Greens confirm plan to defeat MacKay in N.S. riding Bolton Warns of Enemies "Without"-The Shooting Wire...April 16 Witness sought in teen shooting LETTER: FIASCO SHOULD BE ENDED Bullets were fired into car, wife of terrorism suspect says Cops say it's time to end drug prohibition, save lives ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:16:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Vladyslav Strashko Subject: Re: selling firearms site You can list some here, if mods are OK. I was looking to buy one, but I'm ready financially to do it now. You can list them here: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/index.php (free) http://www.valleyguns.com/ ($5 I believe) http://www.cdnshootingsports.org/shaclassifieds.html (free) There are about 10 others (free or up to $10 per listing), but I didn't keep track of it. Regards, Vladyslav LawrenceAWehren@aol.com wrote: I have a friend that is interested in selling some commemorative Winchester Rifles. Is there a site anyone knows for positing them? These were rigistered when mandated so have propper paperwork and are located in NB. (2 Little Big Horn 1876-1976 and a Cherokee trail of tears). Thanks. Larry I support these organizations: www.nfa.ca www.cdnshootingsports.org www.conservative.ca Support Organized Crime - Vote Liberal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:06:51 -0400 From: "ross" Subject: conversations with Ottawa Got called a few days ago about the renewal for my PAL:. The interogator at the other while known to me for years was non the less asking those same questions which should never be asked in a free and democratic country. She stated that if I diod not provide the answers, my license would be rejected, and thus my firearms would be unlicensed. i replied that before 1978, I had many guns that were not licensed, no one got shot or threatened. Do you think that 30 years of laws has changed that?. Further i replied that if my application for renewal was rejected, it was not because I did not meet the elegibility requirement, but because some politico made the decision. I will not violate someone elses charter rights just because the police or authoritites say I must. In the end, I told her that a rejection was just that, "them" rejecting it, not because I have committed a wrong, and that by not having a license, it would not affect me as I would be in good company with thousabnds of others who also do not have licenses. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:11:13 -0600 From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: Fw:Extension of amnesty to register previously un-registered... From: "John B. Holdstock" To: "John B. Holdstock" Subject: BCWF ALERT #58/2007: Federal firearms amnesty proposal Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:00:46 -0700 URGENT NOTICE (Please read the final paragraphs) The media recently reported that the government was extending the current amnesty to exempt long-gun owners from having to register their firearms for another year (As sent out in BCWF ALERT #57/2007). This is not entirely true. What the government has done is put out a proposal to extend the amnesty, which for another year would allow firearm owners whose PAL or POL has expired, or who have unregistered firearms to renew their licences or register their firearms with out attracting criminal liability. It is not meant as a carte blanche to avoid licensing or registration but is as an opportunity to comply with the legislation without the risk of criminal charges. Also, do not think that it gives you free rein to carry on your activities as though the Firearms Act was not in place. If your guns are unregistered or you do not have a POL or PAL you are still in breach of the legislation, and although you can't be criminally charged you can have your firearms seized. This is not an idle threat. Special Bulletin #70 for Police states it very clearly: Individuals protected by the amnesty cannot incur criminal liability for possessing a non-restricted firearm without a valid licence or registration certificate. However, they are still in unauthorized possession of the firearm and police have the authority to seize the firearm at their discretion . The information on the Canadian Firearms Centre website (http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/default_e.asp ) says: A proposal (http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/media/nr/2007/nr20070411-en.asp ) to extend the existing amnesty until May 16, 2008, has been published in the Canada Gazette (http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partI/2007/20070407/html/regle3-e.html ). The amnesty applies to certain owners of non-restricted rifles and shotguns who had a firearms licence that expired after January 1, 2004 and which has not yet been renewed, and to those who hold a valid licence but who possess unregistered non-restricted firearms. The amnesty extension would allow these individuals more time to comply with the licensing and registration requirements. Individuals have until April 21, 2007 to submit their views on the proposal. They may do so by e-mail (Amnesty-amnistie@cfc-cafc.gc.ca ), by surface mail to: Legal Services, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Canada Firearms Centre, 10th Floor, 50 O'Connor Street, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1M6, or by calling 1 800 731-4000, ext 7799. ***** Even if you are not directly affected by this amnesty, it is important that every firearm owner send a letter or an email or make a phone call to support this proposal. You know that Wendy Cukier and her Coalition for Gun Control supporters as well as the Dawson College group and others will be writing in telling the government that they should not extend this amnesty. If the government does not see a strong measure of support from the firearms community for this proposal it will certainly reduce our credibility on all firearm related issues. A strong response will show them that we haven't lost our enthusiasm for this battle. Please pass this on to other firearm owners on your personal email list. We definitely need to show up on this one. ************** John B Holdstock Kelowna, BC jbholdstock@shawcable.com https://totalrecoil.wordpress.com/ http://www.bcwf.bc.ca/ http://www.bccf.com/ The world is run by those who show up. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:39:44 -0400 From: "ross" Subject: no charges No charges were laid after police busted into a Kitchener home searching for weapons. Waterloo regional police officers, arrested, two men interviewed and released. No one was charged and no weapons were found. FRANKLY I FIND THIS DISGUSTING. The police arrested these two men why? A tip. one thing for sure, they were humiliated in front of their neighbours, no doubt had their names plastered all over the news media. so their reps good or bad get trashed. It would be clear that the police got it wrong. Now I wonder if they apologized to the two fellas they took down hard, and will they go door to door and try to rebuild these fellas reputations for them . Too many times the police get it wrong, and no apologies come forth. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:22:40 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: no charges - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ross" To: Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: no charges > No charges were laid after police busted into a > Kitchener home searching for weapons. > > Waterloo regional police officers, arrested, two men interviewed and > released. > No one was charged and no weapons were found. > > > FRANKLY I FIND THIS DISGUSTING. The police arrested these two men why? > A > tip. one thing for sure, they were humiliated in front of their > neighbours, > no doubt had their names plastered all over the news media. so their reps > good or bad get trashed. > > It would be clear that the police got it wrong. Now I wonder if they > apologized to the two fellas they took down hard, and will they go door to > door and try to rebuild these fellas reputations for them . > > Too many times the police get it wrong, and no apologies come forth. They could put their ap[olgies where the sun doesnt shine as far as I`m concerned . A lawsuit to recover physical damages would be my minimum response and then what ever else I could garner under the charter of rights and the so-called constitution. I know here in Hamitlon Ontario, several years ago a man was falsely arrested , took the city and police dept to court, and eventually settled out of court for an undisclosed sum. The settlements are never disclosed ,as part of the deal , but I do know the plaintiff is living happily ever after. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:45:03 -0400 From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Philadelphia Struggles to Quell an Epidemic of Gun Violence The New York Times - April 14, 2007 Philadelphia Struggles to Quell an Epidemic of Gun Violence http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/us/15philadelphia.html?_r=3D1&ref=3Dus&= oref=3Dslogin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:07:34 -0700 From: "Al Muir" Subject: Liberals, Greens confirm plan to defeat MacKay in N.S. riding > > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:09:34 -0400 (EDT) > From: Bruce Mills > Subject: Liberals, Greens confirm plan to defeat MacKay in N.S. riding > > http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/04/13/green-liberal.html > > Liberals, Greens confirm plan to defeat MacKay in N.S. > riding > Last Updated: Friday, April 13, 2007 | 12:53 PM ET > CBC News Waiting now to see how the NDP will react. They had just 3000 votes less than MacKay last time and the Liberals had about 9000. I do not believe they will not run a candidate but one can hope. Al Support criminal control, not placebo gun control ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:15:31 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Jordan Subject: Bolton Warns of Enemies "Without"-The Shooting Wire...April 16 Subject: Bolton Warns of Enemies "Without"-The Shooting Wire for Monday, April 16 FEATURE The Shooting Wire Bolton Warns of Enemies "Without" John Bolton Speaking at the National Rifle Association's 136th Member's Banquet Saturday night in St. Louis, Missouri, former U-N Ambassador John Bolton warned everyone in attendance that the anti-gun forces in the United States were directing energies toward international pressures to take guns away from U.S. citizens. "Keep you focus on the international realm," Bolton warned, telling the enthusiastic crowd that foreign diplomats had joined the ranks of those who were seeking to impose restrictions on the possession of weapons. As United Nations Ambassador, Bolton was alternately praised or excoriated by pro and anti-firearms proponents, respectively. Anti-firearms groups accused him of using State Department intelligence to push his own views and "punish" anyone who disagreed. Bolton supporters, including the President, say he fought to reform the UN, and address the U.S. security and economic interests in the world. Addressing that point, Bolton expressed his displeasure with diplomats who serve in posts then started shifting their viewpoint from that of an American to a "global resident." As that happens, Bolton said, the United States finds itself "worn down and isolated" from the constant quibbling. He also characterized that "wearing down "as a deliberate tactic to slowly "broaden the focus" on firearms into an international matter, rather than an American constitutional one. For an American diplomat to "abandon the United States Constitution" in order to "get along" with the diplomatic community, said Bolton was "a deliberate tactic of the leftists to shift firearms into a different political environment. After all, Bolton says, "many nations of the world want the United States to keep footing the costs for the United Nations, " but are "looking for ways to reduce our influence around the world." Limiting the rights of U-S citizens to have firearms, said Bolton, would be one way that "diminishment" could be accomplished. In his remarks, Bolton referenced the now-infamous United Nations conference on Small Arms & Light Weapons. The title, Bolton said, seemed to be a good idea. Further examination, however, revealed that the United Nations was seeking authority over everything from cannons to .22 caliber rifles owned by individuals. "I went to the United Nations with the goal of seeingthat this conference was not reconvened five years down the road," Bolton said, "and we accomplished that - and it was unheard-of for a UN Conference not to agree to meet again. " After all, Bolton said, "conference attendees enjoy coming to New York City." "The United States' bottom line is this," said Bolton, "this country will not agree to anything that infringes on our Constitution right to bear arms." But the international arena is where Bolton says many of the gun control issues that liberals can't get passed in the United States may be headed. "These people are persistent," he warned. Bolton also proposed one solution to the United Nations being a place where the United States was "expected to pay" but did not get "what we pay for." His solution? Moving U-N contributions from assessed contributions to voluntary contributions. Moving funding to performance-based decisions, would, Bolton said, quickly make many of the decisions made by the United Nations bad ideas because of the financial ramifications. Today, he said, "there are no ramifications for anything these conferences care to propose. " Bolton also warned that North Korean and Iran were areas where we should also keep our focus. "There was a reason President Bush referred to Iran and North Korea in his 'Axis of Evil'", Bolton said, saying both were "projecting power" and supporting terrorism and terrorists groups worldwide while both worked toward nuclear capabilities. "As NRA Members," Bolton told the crowd, "it is important that you not only remain vigilant here at home, but support your leadership as they are forced to broaden their vision as more and more of the fight over firearms is moved into a broader-arena where liberals feel they will be more likely to win limitations on our rights." We'll keep you posted. - --Jim Shepherd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:18:43 -0400 From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Witness sought in teen shooting PUBLICATION: Montreal Gazette DATE: 2007.04.16 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A8 COLUMN: Fast Track SOURCE: The Gazette; PC WORD COUNT: 119 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- Witness sought in teen shooting - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- Montreal police are looking for a taxi driver who might have witnessed the shooting early Thursday in the Villeray district that left a 17-year-old male paralyzed. Police say the taxi - a beige car, possibly a Nissan Maxima - was stopped at a red light at Pie IX Blvd. and Jarry St. at 12:30 a.m. when the shooting took place. The teenager was in critical condition in a hospital yesterday and probably will be a quadriplegic if he survives, a police spokesperson said. Anyone with information is asked to call Det.-Sgt. Benoit Lapointe at 514-280-2844 or Info-Crime at 514-393-1133. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:20:53 -0400 From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: LETTER: FIASCO SHOULD BE ENDED PUBLICATION: The Calgary Sun DATE: 2007.04.16 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial/Opinion PAGE: 14 COLUMN: Letters to the Editor FIASCO SHOULD BE ENDED I believe the vast majority of Canadians can clearly see that this billion-dollar fiasco has not been in the least bit helpful, so why shouldn't it be dismantled ("Decision time for gun registry," Point of View, Paul Berton, April 12)? The problem facing this issue is politicians do not always make decisions based on what is good for the country. Sometimes they make decisions based on what they think will win votes. When it comes to firearms, being anti-gun at all costs has been seen by some as a vote winner in vote-rich Montreal and Toronto. It doesn't matter if it is effective or how much it costs. Does it really make sense to spend hundreds of millions every year to keep track of guns owned by people who do not commit murders? Why not focus the money and effort at the real source of the problem? The criminals! JEFF GARDINER EDITOR (The bad guys aren't registering their guns.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:22:35 -0400 From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Bullets were fired into car, wife of terrorism suspect says PUBLICATION: GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: 2007.04.16 PAGE: A8 BYLINE: JOE FRIESEN SECTION: National News EDITION: National WORD COUNT: 241 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- Bullets were fired into car, wife of terrorism suspect says - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- The wife of an accused terrorism suspect says someone fired bullets into her family vehicles in an effort to silence her criticism of the Canadian government. Cheryfa MacAulay Jamal, the wife of Abdul Qayyum Jamal, one of 17 suspects arrested in the Toronto area last June, said she discovered two bullets in the engine block of the family's minivan this weekend. Her brother-in-law was working on the Dodge Caravan on Saturday when he found two slugs as long as a pinkie finger embedded in the vehicle, Ms. Jamal said. She immediately called the police. When they arrived they looked at the family's other vehicle, an Acura sedan, and discovered that a bullet had also been fired into its engine block, she said. "I think it's an intimidation tactic," Ms. Jamal said. "I don't know who did it, but I'm angry about it. I'm concerned." Peel Regional police confirmed they are investigating an incident reported at Ms. Jamal's address, but would not discuss the nature of it. Ms. Jamal plans to hold a news conference at her Mississauga home today. Ms. Jamal believes the shooting is a result of a recent interview in which she told the Toronto Star that her husband is being mistreated in prison. Mr. Jamal, like the other adult suspects arrested in last year's raid, is being held in isolation at the Millhaven Institution while awaiting trial. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, April 16, 2007 7:24 am From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cops say it's time to end drug prohibition, save lives - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca PUBLICATION: Canadian Press Newswire DATE: 2007.04.14 CATEGORY: Entertainment And Culture BYLINE: CAMILLE BAINS WORD COUNT: 774 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- Canadian, American cops say it's time to end drug prohibition, save lives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- VANCOUVER (CP) _ It's a familiar scene on TV newscasts: wads of cash, rows of guns and bags full of drugs displayed neatly on a table by police officers seemingly posing by their latest set of trophies. One more drug bust, another haul, and big-time traffickers facing the prospect of hefty jail time. But some former law enforcement officials in Canada and the United States who have spent years fighting the ongoing war on drugs say it's a losing battle. Their views about how prohibition has failed to make a dent in the drug supply while millions of dollars continue to be wasted on criminalizing recreational drug users are told in the National Film Board documentary Damage Done: The Drug War Odyssey. It premiers in Victoria on Saturday, followed by a showing in Vancouver on Sunday before airing on Global TV on April 28. Most of the police officers featured in the film are part of a growing U.S.-based organization called LEAP _ Law Enforcement Against Prohibition _ which also includes corrections officers, retired and sitting judges and prosecutors. Mike Smithson, a spokesman for LEAP, said from Medford, Mass., that about 330 of the organization's 7,000 international members are Canadians. They include Senator Larry Campbell, a former RCMP drug squad officer and Vancouver mayor who ran on a platform of reducing harm from drug use. Campbell, whose views are featured in the film, said in an interview that drug laws need to be reformed so addiction is treated as a health issue that's exacerbated by other problems including poverty, homelessness and mental illness. He said his law-and-order stance about criminalizing junkies as a Mountie changed radically when he became Vancouver's chief coroner in 1996 and saw the devastating effects of drug overdoses in the city's seedy Downtown Eastside. ``My philosophy had to shift because I went from enforcing the law to trying to save people's lives,'' said Campbell, who will speak at the Vancouver premiere of the film on Sunday. ``When I really took a hard look at it, I realized that what we were doing was not saving lives. In fact, we were seeing the deaths increase.'' Campbell is a proponent of Vancouver's safe-injection site, which provides a harm-reduction approach to treating people who may otherwise overdose or pass on blood-borne diseases like HIV from shared needles. At Insite, the only such facility in North America, addicts shoot up heroin in the presence of a nurse and are offered referrals for treatment. Campbell noted that various studies published in top international journals such as the Lancet, the British Medical Journal and the New England Journal of Medicine have hailed the positive effects of Insite, including reduced property crime by people desperate for a fix. The facility is operating as a pilot project until the end of the year, when the Conservative government is expected to decide its fate. ``I will say this, I will not let it be shut down,'' Campbell said, adding the site saves taxpayers $250,000 a year for every addict who doesn't contract HIV. Like other members of LEAP, Campbell favours legalization of drugs so they can be controlled and regulated. He said such a policy change wouldn't create a nation of addicts just like the end of alcohol prohibition in the United States and Canada in the 1930s didn't turn more people into drunks. ``My position is we legalize marijuana and we tax the living hell out of it and we put all of the money we get from it back into health care,'' Campbell said of British Columbia's $8-billion-a-year industry. Const. John Gayder of the Niagara Parks Police in Niagara Falls, Ont., is a founding member of LEAP. He says in the film that he gives drug calls a low priority because arresting such people isn't helping them. Ending the prohibition on drugs would do away with gangs fighting over turf and distribution of drugs and the related shootings and beatings that go along with the trade, he said. Jerry Paradis, who retired as a B.C. provincial court judge four years ago, is also a LEAP member and after 35 years on the bench, he echoes Gayder's sentiments . Starting in the mid-1980s, Paradis said he was bothered by the notion that petty criminals arrested for offences such as shoplifting to buy drugs, would return repeatedly to the prisoners' box in front of him instead of getting the help they needed for their addiction. ``I had no choice but to deal with them as if they were criminals rather than people with a serious health problem,'' he said. Drugs have spawned a massive industry, not just for law enforcement, but for lawyers and the entire court system. ``I fully accept that the RCMP has seriously invested, in its history, the idea of drug prohibition and will not let go of that very easily. ``I'm satisfied that for them it's a very serious industry just like in the United States for prison builders,'' he said of the high number of people in that country jailed for even simple drug possession. But Paradis said there's a growing debate, especially in Canada over the last three years or so, that favours legalizing drugs to remove traffickers' profit and end the cycle of violent crime and prostitution. At the same time, there's more awareness that addicts need treatment, not jail time, he said. ``I can say that there are a number of judges I've spoken to who agree entirely that this madness should be stopped, it should end.'' ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #399 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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