From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #626 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, July 9 2007 Volume 10 : Number 626 In this issue: Re: "Home invasion leaves beloved principal dead" OSHA Launches Quiet Assault- The Shooting Wire Dial 911 and die(if you use a cellphone) OSHA Launches Quiet Assault On Firearm and Ammo Industries The NRA Disgraces Itself -- Again Re: Dial 911 and die(if you use a cellphone) Mike Hargreaves Break-In December 2004 (fwd) Re: Gun control works ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 03:50:25 -0700 From: Robert LaCasse Subject: Re: "Home invasion leaves beloved principal dead" Keywords: E-Zine, Photo, Camera, Banking, Arts, Searches, Scooters, Video, Conspiracy, Politics, SportsPistols! Organization: National Association of Assault Research - http://reachme.at/bob On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 08:18:26 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>------------------------------ |> |>Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 22:37:23 -0600 |>From: Larry James Fillo |>Subject: "Home invasion leaves beloved principal dead" |> |>Another home invasion homicide. Another example for the Cdn. version |>of Dial 911 and Die. The Right to Self-Defence is in our constitution |>it is based on the Right to Life. Right!....For some bizarre reason that escapes my mind, I have noticed that Home Invaders don't know about our rights to self-defence, sheesh I guess homeinvaders are not as educated as we are... It's also compared to telling a Cop about your rights to self defence, and then you find yourself in a Ruby Ridge situation, getting the crap kicked out of you as they say "Don't Get Smart.......and proceed to shoot and kick the shit out of you...... The Right to Self-Defence is not legal in Canada and the Home Invaders just Love that one....hell at this point I should invade a Home Invaders Home and match their little Army with some of the Right to Self-Defence they all have.... BTW: I think a lot of Illegal Immigrants and some bikers are selling CCWs and CCPs, but they may realize that anybody with a reasonable printer, can print up an ATN/ATT/ATCarry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:33:32 -0600 From: Dave Jordan Subject: OSHA Launches Quiet Assault- The Shooting Wire The Shooting Wire for Monday, July 9 info@shootingwire.com FEATURE OSHA Launches Quiet Assault On Firearm and Ammo Industries The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is charged with assuring the safety and health of American workers. Unfortunately, OSHA sometimes goes at their job of protecting American workers so energetically as to pass regulations that virtually make the work impossible. OSHA has now turned its attention to the manufacturing, transportation and storage of small arms ammunition, primers and smokeless propellants. Not a good thing for the industry - especially in light of their proposal to make the industry "safe". As they are written today, the firearms industry says, those new OSHA rules would force the closure of nearly all ammo manufacturers and force the cost of small arms ammo to skyrocket, "beyond what the market would bear". Essentially, closing down the industry. That's not Chicken Little fear-mongering. The costs associated with compliance with the proposed rules could easily exceed $100 million dollars. Not a number that could be absorbed by ammunition makers, wholesale distributors and retailers. It's certainly not a cost that could be passed on to consumers without bringing the industry to a crashing halt. The new rules also have some classic OSHA overstatements. Ammunition and smokeless propellant manufacturers would have to shut down and evacuate a factory or retail location when a thunderstorm approached - and customers would not be allowed within 50 of any ammunition - displayed or stored - without first being searched for matches or lighters. Hello, shoe bomber? It would also prohibit possession of firearms in commercial "facilities containing explosives" - those facilities would include sporting goods stores and gun shops. And OSHA proposes prohibiting delivery drivers from leaving "explosives" unattended. That would prevent UPS, FedEx or similar delivery services from delivering gunpowder or ammunition to individuals and dealers. The double-barrel impact of such a ruling would effectively end online and catalog sales as well. The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) and SAAMI have already had preliminary meeting with OSHA officials to "begin the process of explaining to them the major problems this proposed rule presents for all levels of the firearms and ammunition industry." They are also petitioning for a sixty-day extension of the public comment period to allow further input from those of us who would be impacted by the decision. Meanwhile, the NSSF is encouraging retailers to contact OSHA directly and request the comment period extension. Personally, I think NSSF should be giving the retailers rakes, hoes, and torches so they could march on OSHA headquarters like the peasants marched on Frankenstein's Castle. Of course, the handles on the hoes, rakes and other implements would be OSHA orange and OSHA yellow - in keeping with OSAH directives and the torches would bear all the OSHA-required safety placards (my favorite idea for the torches would read "In operation this device may become hot, posing a potential threat to exposed tissue if carried in a non-prescribed manner"). The proposal, despite being a goldmine for humor, is nothing about which to joke. Like any other government idea, hare-brained or otherwise, it has the potential to take on force of law. At that point, it is, as the old song goes, "too-late to worry, too-soon to cry." For that reason, retailers should be contacting OSHA and making them aware that the proposal constitutes a "significant regulatory action" in that it will "adversely affect in a material way" the retail sector of the firearms and ammunition industry. If you're going to write a letter, please create a reference line that reads as follows: RE: Docket No. OSHA-2007-0032 Request to Extend Public Comment Period and Request for Hearing on Significant Regulatory Action" as Defined in Executive Order 12866. If you're looking for a bit more guidance in a letter, there's a template available from the NSSF at: http://www.nssf.org/share/docs/BP070207-OSHAletter.rtf It will download as a PDF file you can simply fax to (202) 693-1648. Please include the Docket Number (OSHA-2007-0032) and Department of Labor/OSHA on the cover sheet and reference section of your letter. Over the past two years, we have observed on more than one occasion that the battle for firearms would be lost if opponents decided that, rather than fight the Second Amendment - a battle they have repeatedly lost, they attacked the ammunition that makes firearms useful. Some observers have remarked that the industry may be "overreacting" to the OSHA proposal and that, with the exception of the customer regulations, it's really not "that bad". With the government's propensity to expand -ceaselessly - and never to release regulatory controls, there doesn't appear to be any wiggle room in this proposal. It has to die. If it isn't stopped - as in a dead standstill - it will grow in scope and impact until we will find ourselves with the Second Amendment protecting our rights to keep and bear arms, but OSHA having removed our ability to acquire ammunition. - -- Jim Shepherd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:51:47 -0400 From: "Maurice Curtis" Subject: Dial 911 and die(if you use a cellphone) To Doug Coward Brockville Recorder and Times: This past weekend I lost a family member. On looking into the situation I found that my wife's Uncle had used a cell phone to dial 911. He was unable to speak clearly due to his heart attack and the operator was unable to find his location as there is no way to track a cell phone call to it's origin. This 57 year old was at home and could have used the land line had he known the cell was untracable. I am not writng to condemn the 911 service but rather to make everyone aware the safety of a cell phone is only active if you are able to talk and give information as to your situation. I think everyone should be made aware of this circumstance and by being aware it may well save their life. Thanks Maurice Curtis, Delta *Edited for your security. CFD Moderator- DRGJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:44:17 -0600 From: Dewey Subject: OSHA Launches Quiet Assault On Firearm and Ammo Industries OSHA Launches Quiet Assault On Firearm and Ammo Industries The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is charged with assuring the safety and health of American workers. Unfortunately, OSHA sometimes goes at their job of protecting American workers so energetically as to pass regulations that virtually make the work impossible. OSHA has now turned its attention to the manufacturing, transportation and storage of small arms ammunition, primers and smokeless propellants. Not a good thing for the industry - especially in light of their proposal to make the industry "safe". As they are written today, the firearms industry says, those new OSHA rules would force the closure of nearly all ammo manufacturers and force the cost of small arms ammo to skyrocket, "beyond what the market would bear". Essentially, closing down the industry. That's not Chicken Little fear-mongering. The costs associated with compliance with the proposed rules could easily exceed $100 million dollars. Not a number that could be absorbed by ammunition makers, wholesale distributors and retailers. It's certainly not a cost that could be passed on to consumers without bringing the industry to a crashing halt. The new rules also have some classic OSHA overstatements. Ammunition and smokeless propellant manufacturers would have to shut down and evacuate a factory or retail location when a thunderstorm approached - and customers would not be allowed within 50 of any ammunition - displayed or stored - without first being searched for matches or lighters. Hello, shoe bomber? It would also prohibit possession of firearms in commercial "facilities containing explosives" - those facilities would include sporting goods stores and gun shops. And OSHA proposes prohibiting delivery drivers from leaving "explosives" unattended. That would prevent UPS, FedEx or similar delivery services from delivering gunpowder or ammunition to individuals and dealers. The double-barrel impact of such a ruling would effectively end online and catalog sales as well. The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) and SAAMI have already had preliminary meeting with OSHA officials to "begin the process of explaining to them the major problems this proposed rule presents for all levels of the firearms and ammunition industry." They are also petitioning for a sixty-day extension of the public comment period to allow further input from those of us who would be impacted by the decision. Meanwhile, the NSSF is encouraging retailers to contact OSHA directly and request the comment period extension. Personally, I think NSSF should be giving the retailers rakes, hoes, and torches so they could march on OSHA headquarters like the peasants marched on Frankenstein's Castle. Of course, the handles on the hoes, rakes and other implements would be OSHA orange and OSHA yellow - in keeping with OSAH directives and the torches would bear all the OSHA-required safety placards (my favorite idea for the torches would read "In operation this device may become hot, posing a potential threat to exposed tissue if carried in a non-prescribed manner"). The proposal, despite being a goldmine for humor, is nothing about which to joke. Like any other government idea, hare-brained or otherwise, it has the potential to take on force of law. At that point, it is, as the old song goes, "too-late to worry, too-soon to cry." For that reason, retailers should be contacting OSHA and making them aware that the proposal constitutes a "significant regulatory action" in that it will "adversely affect in a material way" the retail sector of the firearms and ammunition industry. If you're going to write a letter, please create a reference line that reads as follows: RE: Docket No. OSHA-2007-0032 Request to Extend Public Comment Period and Request for Hearing on Significant Regulatory Action" as Defined in Executive Order 12866. If you're looking for a bit more guidance in a letter, there's a template available from the NSSF at: http://www.nssf.org/share/docs/BP070207-OSHAletter.rtf It will download as a PDF file you can simply fax to (202) 693-1648. Please include the Docket Number (OSHA-2007-0032) and Department of Labor/OSHA on the cover sheet and reference section of your letter. Over the past two years, we have observed on more than one occasion that the battle for firearms would be lost if opponents decided that, rather than fight the Second Amendment - a battle they have repeatedly lost, they attacked the ammunition that makes firearms useful. Some observers have remarked that the industry may be "overreacting" to the OSHA proposal and that, with the exception of the customer regulations, it's really not "that bad". With the government's propensity to expand -ceaselessly - and never to release regulatory controls, there doesn't appear to be any wiggle room in this proposal. It has to die. If it isn't stopped - as in a dead standstill - it will grow in scope and impact until we will find ourselves with the Second Amendment protecting our rights to keep and bear arms, but OSHA having removed our ability to acquire ammunition. - -- Jim Shepherd ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:50:20 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: The NRA Disgraces Itself -- Again The NRA Disgraces Itself -- Again by L. Neil Smith lneil@netzero.com http://www.jpfo.org/smith-nra.htm At his famous "man in a glass box" trial in Israel, Nazi criminal Adolf Eichmann tried to explain how a whole nation went insane during the 1930s and 1940s. "Germans," he informed his captors, "lack civil courage." One of the most unexpected and disheartening discoveries I made as a youth is that there are different kinds of courage. A man who shows admirable valor on the battlefield, for example, may be paralytically unable to talk to women. Similarly, in a world where people often say they would rather die than make a speech, and the terror invariably first or second on their list is of personal confrontation, the same warrior-type may be unable to stand up to the pressure of political processes. I've seen the latter many, many times, most recently when the National Rifle Association cooperated with some of the nastiest, most notorious advocates of victim disarmament -- congressvulture Carolyn McCarthy, that blood-sucking scavenger of the dead for one -- to "tighten up" provisions of the highly-illegal Brady Law. Passed by the congress on an unrecorded voice vote, HR 2640, the "NICS Improvement Act" drags us not just another notch closer to national firearms registration, or even worse, to a national registry of firearms owners, but to a Big Brotherhood in which everything an individual does can be monitored and scrutinized electronically by jackbooted thugs. There can be no doubt that we are now living in a police state -- albeit an extremely well-upholstered police state, at least for the time being -- and that the National Rifle Association, in its usual, typical, dimwitted, bumbling eagerness to ingratiate itself with that police state's architects, has just made the police state immeasurably worse. No, I'm not repeating myself to no purpose. There is a method to my madness. I want all my readers to get accustomed to that expression "police state", as in, " .. and to the police state for which it stands ... " We are also living in an age of failed and failing institutions, where nothing is as it's advertised -- to the extent that it ever was -- and where, just to name a single example, even the Boy Scouts of America are torn between cruel bigotry and a nauseating political correctness. We live in a culture where the Congress has given away its legal right and duty to declare -- or to refrain from declaring -- war, and the military that liberated Europe in two successive world wars, that distributed food and clothing and chewing gum to starving kids, now massacres entire neighborhoods, and terrorizes and tortures helpless prisoners. We live in a culture where newspapers have long since abandoned their sacred Jeffersonian role in perpetual opposition to the all- devouring state, where the broadcast media will eagerly prostitute themselves to whatever purpose the government wants to use them, and where wealthy and powerful corporations collaborate with murderous slave-regimes to deny people their right to communicate freely with one another. We live in a culture where the two major political parties have, for all intents and purposes, merged into a single monstrous entity whose only desire it to place its boot on our necks and rip away everything -- our rights, our property, our lives -- it can get away with. We live in a culture where even the Libertarian Party harbors snivelling, worm-tongued poseurs who make limp excuses for fascist tyranny and brutality, and where the organization that has celebrated itself -- for more than a century -- as the foremost defender of the individual right to own and carry weapons, bows, scrapes, and kowtows to the second-worst scumbags in the nation's corrupt and collapsing capital. "I don't know," writes one of my more naive correspondents, "why the NRA is supporting the McCarthy NICS expansion bill as it is currently written, but it doesn't make them the enemy." Actually, it does make them the enemy. How can we hope to win our liberties back if we remain loyal to organizations that have long since ceased to deserve loyalty? Or if we refuse to judge individuals and institutions by what they actually do, not by what we think they are, or ought to be? This is precisely why we have more than 20,000 illegal gun laws today. This craven, quivering collection of cowardly Quislings signed off on Thomas Dodd's Nazi-inspired 1968 Gun Control Act. But that was nothing: if they'd gotten their way in the 30s, the .357 Magnum would be against the law today because they were willing to bargain it away. It's long past time -- it's decades part time -- to amputate the NRA, necrotic Republican appendage that it is, from the American body politic. I've been a Life Member of the NRA since the 70s, and until now, I've refrained to do something that perhaps ought to have been done a long time ago. When I was young, members of my generation opposed to military conscription and the war in Vietnam publically burned their draft registration cards in protest. (Being a libertarian even then, I burned my Social Security card -- but that's a story for another day.) Those who own and operate the NRA (and I am not talking here about its members, whom the leadership simply regards as warm bodies to be counted) should think long and hard about how they'd like to see a national campaign of membership card burnings. It would be as simple to organize as an Internet "flash mob", and the media, of course, would eat it right up. The disgraceful recent conduct of the NRA has now brought that group to within an Angstrom unit of that horrible eventuality. Which way will their next steps take them? ====================================================================== L. Neil Smith has been writing about guns and gun ownership for more than 30 years. He is the author of 27 books, the most widely-published and prolific libertarian novelist in the world, and is considered an expert on the ethics of self-defense. You can see some of his work at http://www.BigHeadPress.com and http://www.ncc-1776.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:01:34 -0600 From: Dave Jordan Subject: Re: Dial 911 and die(if you use a cellphone) Sorry to read about your loss. These things are always tragic and you have my deepest sympathies. But since oh, about 2002-03 or so, most if not all modern cellphones all come with GPS locators in them. And if you read the manuals that come with the cellphone, it tells you specifically that even though you can turn off the GPS feature for commercial ID location, [text message adverts, etc.], it still is active for 9-11 and police location usage in urban areas. Now, if the cellphone was older and not all 9-11 areas, especially in rural areas, are not all equipped to be able to use the GPS feature in modern cellphones. Therefore the call could not be traced except through cell-tower triangulation which at best is a very inaccurate way of tracking. Yes, just like the "5 second black-box" in your new vehicle which were mandatory since 2001and now cellphones with their GPS feature, and let's not forget "OnStar", there are both positive and negative consequences. Big brother is already watching and the Minority Report is alive and very well indeed. Later-DRGJ "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis." - -Dante Alighieri - ----- Original Message ----- From: Maurice Curtis Date: Monday, July 9, 2007 7:51 am Subject: Dial 911 and die(if you use a cellphone) > To Doug Coward Brockville Recorder and Times: > > This past weekend I lost a family member. On looking into the > situation I > found that my wife's Uncle had used a cell phone to dial 911. He > was unable > to speak clearly due to his heart attack and the operator was > unable to find > his location as there is no way to track a cell phone call to it's > origin. This 57 year old was at home and could have used the land > line had he > known the cell was untracable. I am not writing to condemn the 911 > service but rather to make everyone aware the safety of a cell > phone is only active > if you are able to talk and give information as to your situation. > I think everyone should be made aware of this circumstance and by > being aware it may well save their life. > > > Thanks Maurice Curtis, > Delta > *Edited for your security. > CFD Moderator- DRGJ > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark L Horstead Subject: Mike Hargreaves Break-In December 2004 Has anybody heard anything further on this case, in which Mike Hargreaves' apartment firearms vault was broken into over a two-day period? Were charges ever laid? Has he gone to court? Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, July 9, 2007 6:09 am From: "Robert LaCasse" Subject: (fwd) Re: Gun control works On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:59:14 -0700, in alt.guns ©maj-ic12@internet.cid wrote: On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:33:27 -0500, "RD (The Sandman)" wrote: |>>> So, by your own standards, Washington DC should not have any |>>> homicides by firearm crime. |>>> Don't think so. |>> |>> |>> |>> Washington's ban was for handguns only. |> They have this thing about the BAD Hand Guns, because they see it on TV, knocking someone 10 feet back, and overtaking a Nuclear Silo with it.....only 2,000 rounds per clip...actually I don't really know where these tuti-fruities are coming from...... |>Must be partly why shotguns and their ammo must be stored separately, |>huh. Don't forget the trigger locks! It may be possible that some anti-gun people think a shotgun will cut a home invader in half every time with a 12 gauge, 2.5tons @ 10ft power, and they are right, since that very fact will take out 90% of the Home Protection Services (Dial 911&Die) in the country.....maybe that's what it is with them.. Many Home Protection Service scammers will be left homeless, defenseless, and starving on the streets...never needing protection themselves, since they are deemed worthless to the themselves and "society".....ergo...If you got nothin, you got nuthin lose..........(They don't want that) - -- Triad Productions-Fantallaź~EZine~ParaNovel National Association of Assault Research (http://tarbitch.balder.prohosting.com/htmlconc.html) - -- ___ Howard R. 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