From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #662 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, July 26 2007 Volume 10 : Number 662 In this issue: [LETTER] (Some judges are a soft touch.) Ottawa man nabbed in North Bay drug bust Shooting at downtown bar Stabbed inmate sues province for $60Gs "Political fundraiser- to fire machine-guns- The Edmonton Journal" Court officers avoid jail [LETTERS] Toronto Sun, Jul 26/07 [LETTERS] Toronto Sun, July 25/07 Police search ravine for man's killer [In Depth]- Edmonton Journal Cops too slow: Block manager [LETTER] Use a gun, do life in prison letter to Post (just sent) ... [none] Re: Your email-gun registration ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:22:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] (Some judges are a soft touch.) http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/Letters/2007/07/26/4369176.html When will people quit blaming inanimate tools used in horrific acts? Blaming guns for murders on Canadian streets is ridiculous. If this were true of all objects that could be destructive, then vehicles and booze would have been gone a long time ago. How about making criminals responsible for their actions with punishment, not rehabilitation? Brad Drozdowski (Some judges are a soft touch.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:25:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Ottawa man nabbed in North Bay drug bust http://www.ottawasun.com/News/BreakingNews/2007/07/26/4370529.html Ottawa man nabbed in North Bay drug bust Thu, July 26, 2007 3:30 p.m. By JON WILLING A 23-year-old Ottawa man has been charged in connection with a drug bust last night in North Bay. North Bay police used a tactical team to execute a search warrant at a basement apartment on Massey Dr. around 10 p.m. Two men were inside the residence, and while attempting to flee, they were attempting to dispose of bundles of cash, police said. Police found a 9-mm Beretta handgun with several bullets and a replica handgun. Police also seized 278 pills believed to be ecstasy, 29 grams of marijuana, 260 grams of cocaine, $8,000 in cash, a cocaine press and a digital scale. Derrick Lajoie of McLelland St. in Ottawa is charged with unauthorized possession of a weapon, knowledge of unauthorized possession of a firearm, possession of a prohibited or restricted firearm, possession for the purpose of trafficking in marijuana, cocaine and ecstasy, possession of cocaine, possession of property obtained by crime under $5,000 and possession of a firearm while prohibited. Luke Cutts, 20, of Massey Dr. in North Bay is charged with unauthorized Possession of a weapon, unauthorized possession of a firearm, possession of a prohibited or restricted firearm, possession of prohibited or restricted firearm/ammunition, possession of property obtained by crime under $5000, possession for the purpose of trafficking in marijuana, ecstasy and cocaine, breach of probation and six counts of failing to comply with a recognizance. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:27:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Shooting at downtown bar http://www.ottawasun.com/News/BreakingNews/2007/07/26/4369956.html Shooting at downtown bar Thu, July 26, 2007 9:30 a.m. By SUN STAFF Police are looking for a suspect after shots were fired early this morning at a downtown bar. The incident occurred shortly after 1 a.m. at a bar on Clarence Street. No one was injured. The suspect is described as a black male in his early 20’s, around five-foot-eight, weighing between 160 and 180 lbs, with braids tight to his head. He may still be in possession of a handgun. Anyone with information is asked to call police or Crime Stoppers at 613-233-8477. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:30:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Stabbed inmate sues province for $60Gs http://www.ottawasun.com/News/OttawaAndRegion/2007/07/26/4368789-sun.html Stabbed inmate sues province for $60Gs By SEAN MCKIBBON, COURTS BUREAU Thu, July 26, 2007 An inmate who was stabbed 21 times at the Ottawa Regional Detention Centre is suing the provincial government for $60,000. A statement of claim filed July 18 on behalf of Nathan Fraser, 29, alleges the stabbing happened when staff failed to properly supervise the inmates housed in one of the jail's wings. It further alleges staff failed to transport Fraser to hospital in a timely manner. Statements of claim contain numerous allegations which have not been proven in court. "Inmates are completely reliant upon the staff of the ORDC, and by the principles of vicarious liability, the defendant to provide the necessities of life, including: Supervision, the provision of safe and secure accommodation and swift and appropriate medical attention," the statement of claim reads. According to the claim, Fraser was jailed in January 2006 and moved into general population. NO SUPERVISION CLAIMED On about April 7, 2006, the claim alleges there was no supervision being provided by ORDC staff and Fraser was attacked by two other inmates. One of the attackers pulled out what appeared to be a Swiss Army knife or buck knife. The other inmate jumped on Fraser's back to prevent him from defending himself while the man with the knife stabbed him, the claim says. "The attack lasted for approximately one minute before the attackers fled. At no time did ORDC staff attend the scene to protect and defend Nathan and to thwart the attack," the claim alleges. The statement of claim alleges Fraser, bleeding profusely, went for the exit to get help at around 8:35 p.m. and was found by a supervisor. It says that although a nurse at the jail ordered Fraser be transported to hospital immediately it would be 45 minutes before his arrival. At the hospital, doctors would later determine that 14 of his stab wounds needed stitches and that in some places Fraser's chest wall had been punctured. Paolo Giancaterino, Fraser's lawyer, said yesterday he did not know what Fraser was in jail for but said he is now in jail on different charges. Police spokeswoman Const. Isabelle Lemieux said police investigated but Fraser was not co-operative or interested in proceeding with charges. Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services spokesman Stuart McGetrick would not comment directly on the suit but said the safety of inmates and staff is a top priority. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:25:23 -0600 From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: "Political fundraiser- to fire machine-guns- The Edmonton Journal" Subject: "Political fundraiser aims to fire machine-guns- The Edmonton Journal" Political fundraiser aims to fire machine-guns http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=08ca420b-5058-4ed4-9245-424c5026d75f CanWest News Service Published: 3:07 am BOSTON - A planned Republican fundraiser in New Hampshire aims to promote gun ownership in America by letting supporters fire powerful military-style weapons -- from Uzi submachine-guns to M-16 rifles. The Manchester Republican Committee is inviting party members and their families to a "Machine Gun Shoot" where, for $25 US, supporters can spend a day trying out automatic weapons, said organizer Jerry Thibodeau. "It's a fun day. It's a family day," said Thibodeau of the Aug. 5 event. "It's quite exciting." New Hampshire Democrats say the event is in poor taste amid a spike in violent crime in Manchester and seeks to glorify the use of machine-guns for political gain. The right to own guns has come under heightened scrutiny since the April shooting at Virginia Tech where a gunman killed 32 people. "It is downright offensive," Chris Pappas, the Manchester Democratic party chairman, told the Union Leader newspaper. © The Edmonton Journal 2007 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:35:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Court officers avoid jail http://www.torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2007/07/26/4369247-sun.html Court officers avoid jail Convicted of using inmate as mop, supervisor and crew given house arrest, curfews instead of prison By IAN ROBERTSON, SUN MEDIA Thu, July 26, 2007 Four former court officers convicted of assaulting a prisoner and using him as a mop to clean spilled juice barely escaped jail time yesterday. The Crown sought terms of up to five months for the disgraced and jobless foursome, who were found guilty June 4 of the Sept. 30, 2004, bully-beating of Dexter Boyce in an Old City Hall courthouse cell. Justice Tamarin Dunnet said ex-acting supervisor John Feeney, 31, and ex-officers Thomas Findlay, 37, Kamaljeet Kang, 35, and Jeffrey Martin, 29, "exercised bad judgment," lied about the assault and shed a bad light on police and court officers everywhere because the public rarely tells them apart. By attacking the "defenceless, vulnerable prisoner," she said they showed a "mob mentality akin to the juvenile act of high-school bullies." But citing their past good behaviour, family and community ties, public humiliation plus job commendations for her decision not to jail them, Dunnet gave sentences of varying house arrest and curfew terms, plus probation. After Boyce spilled juice on Findlay, then refused to clean it up, she said five officers followed him and Feeney to the cell, where kicks and punches were administered before the badly bruised prisoner was picked up and used as a mop. In a grim reminder of their reversed status, the judge looked at the four at the front of her court and asked "I presume you all understand?," then nodded at their silent acknowledgements. She said all hoped to become cops. Feeney did athletic charity work,and was commended for stopping a prisoner hanging himself in August 2004; Findlay, who served three years in the military, was honoured by the governor general for saving a man mobbed in the TTC subway that December; Martin was commended that year for stopping a violent prisoner escaping court; and Kang, who was lauded for stopping two men in a punch-up at Old City Hall, lost his home and wife after Boyce's beating. They are appealing their convictions, citing legal errors, lawyers Joseph Markson and Joanne Mulcahy said after their clients offered no comment before or apologies in court. They were hugged by former colleagues, but because of the appeals, none spoke to reporters. Dunnet earlier acquitted officers Donald Hebert, 36, Aaron Rodrigues, 26, and Donavan Smith, 36, but they and their convicted colleagues lost their jobs. A convicted drug dealer, Boyce said he requested an apology and some punishment, but not that his tormentors be fired. Fearing reprisal, "I have to relocate out of Toronto. Every time a clean-cut guy passes me, I get scared." He denied throwing or spilling the drink, adding "if they had asked me to clean up the juice, I would have. It just fell." "It was just like a joke when they beat me up," he said. "They were high-fiving." As the supervisor, Feeney drew a 90-day curfew; Findlay got the same term; Martin got 60 days; and Kang 45 days. All will then be on probation for six months to be followed by 50 hours of community service. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:37:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTERS] Toronto Sun, Jul 26/07 http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/Letters/2007/07/26/4369183.html Big loopholes Is there no limit to the uselessness of politicians? After the weekend shootings in Toronto, Ontario Attorney General Michael Bryant says he will ask the prime minister to ban handguns and "close the loopholes that exist to get a handgun." Loopholes? For the thugs who killed Ephraim Brown, those loopholes are the approximate diameter of the sun. Call it a hunch, but I bet these guys have no permit of any sort and have yet to take step one toward obtaining an Firearms Aquisition Certificate, and the guns are probably hot. Ban handguns? Yeah, Bryant -- at least you can pretend you're taking action. Steven Lidkea Guelph (That's politics) Ban ineffective politicians David Miller's call for a ban on handguns sounds about as productive as wasting a billion dollars on a gun registry. Hey, here's an idea: Why not ban crime in Canada? Maybe that will send the criminals packing. Or better yet, let's ban ineffective and stupid politicians. Shawn Moody Midland (Ban-d-aid solutions) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:40:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTERS] Toronto Sun, July 25/07 http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/Letters/2007/07/25/4366147.html Mayor's on to something Mayor Miller and the chattering classes are right to ban the handgun. After all, since Toronto proclaimed itself to be a nuclear-free zone no one has fired off a nuke. Mark Pasloske Etobicoke (Some would argue we're a sanity-free zone, too) Ban just a start When it comes to gang violence, there is no one solution. However, to resolve anything means to take steps toward finding a solution, and banning handguns is a harmless start. After all, if handguns are banned, the ratio of available (stolen) handguns is certain to decrease -- perhaps not by much -- but the prevention of even one handgun in the hands of these kids is a positive start. Of course, they (gang members) can and do acquire guns by other methods, but reducing availability is a good step. There are many problem areas when it comes to instilling changes that could make a difference in gang violence, but to denounce what could potentially help decrease the number of handguns and save lives is derogatory. There is no one solution -- it is going to take a lot of smaller solutions, groups, and changes to effectively alter the current path of violence by youth in the city. Dianne Parr Oshawa (What about keeping the thugs in jail?) Money better spent Thanks to Lorrie Goldstein for his column "Blowing smoke on gun crime" (July 24). He could also suggest the hundreds of millions the mayor and premier are willing to blow on a gun ban, when spent on policing and sentencing, would go much further in reducing crime overall -- not just firearms-related crime. I am getting tired of the same charade after a tragedy. Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over, but expecting a different result? Lionel Trudel Vancouver (It's Groundhog Day. You'd think we'd learn) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Congrats on being published Lionel! CFD Moderator- DRGJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:42:23 -0600 From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Police search ravine for man's killer [In Depth]- Edmonton Journal Police search ravine for man's killer http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/cityplus/story.html?id=4b6b1667-f97a-41da-9238-f8e8cbb10f64 Friends launch Facebook page in memory of Brandon Dierich Image City police officers on bicycles search Mill Creek ravine on Wednesday, where a killer on a bicycle fled after shooting a man in a car at 93rd Street and 68th Avenue on Tuesday evening. John Lucas, the Journal Elise Stolte, The Edmonton Journal Published: 3:07 am EDMONTON - Plainclothes detectives strapped on bulletproof vests Wednesday morning as they headed into the Mill Creek ravine in search of Brandon Sean Dierich's killer. They were hunting for the man who witnesses say shot and killed Dierich as he sat in his car Tuesday night before fleeing into the ravine on a bike. "Our officers have a pretty strong indication of who the suspect is," police spokeswoman Karen Carlson said. At least a dozen patrol officers and detectives were walking, biking and driving through the ravine by mid-morning. When police arrived at 93rd Street and 68th Avenue around 7:40 p.m. Tuesday, they found 23-year-old Dierich dead in the driver's seat of a black sedan. The shooting is drug-related but a gang connection has not been confirmed, Carlson said. Dierich was known to police before the shooting, she said. On Wednesday afternoon, an autopsy determined he died of multiple gunshot wounds. The gun used in the shooting has not been recovered. A memorial page on the Internet networking site Facebook was launched on Wednesday that included pictures of Dierich at a concert and another of him sitting on the hood of the black Chrysler 300 car he was eventually killed in. "Brandon was definitely the type of guy who would give you the shirt off his back in the middle of winter if you needed it," wrote Dan Ranson. "He was always willing to help a friend out if he could." James Matheson, who started the memorial group, wrote: "Brandon was a passionate guy who stood by his friends in the face of adversity. "Enjoy the great golf course in the sky buddy, and book us a tee time for when I get there." At about 10:30 Wednesday morning, a woman in her 20s drove slowly by the scene of the shooting and parked at the curb. She was crying when she jumped out of her SUV and tried to check the licence plate on the victim's car, which had not been removed from the scene. "Our family, we don't know anything," the woman said. "We just want to know." Then she saw several TV cameras and drove off. Neighbours in the area were still working through the shock. "In Hazeldean, it's a quiet neigh- bourhood," said Brian Mattson. "There hasn't been a break-and-enter in our whole block for years." Another neighbour was sleeping on the couch Tuesday evening when he heard two loud pops. "I just thought it was kids," he said. Then he went to the kitchen for a glass of water and saw the police tape. Mandy Radford biked home less than half an hour before the shooting. "I just cruised right around that corner, right where it happened," she said. "Now I've got to start locking my doors; I hate that." The shooting was Edmonton's 17th homicide of 2007. There was the same number at this time last year. estolte@thejournal.canwest.com © The Edmonton Journal 2007 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:44:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Cops too slow: Block manager http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Winnipeg/2007/07/26/4368855-sun.html Cops too slow: Block manager By CHRIS KITCHING, SUN MEDIA Thu, July 26, 2007 A downtown apartment block manager is frustrated with police response times after a rifle was found in his building and officers had not picked it up a day later. Ken Parks, who manages a 71-unit block on Hargrave Street, said contractors found the rifle hidden in the basement ceiling. He doesn't feel comfortable holding on to it as long as he has. "Police should have been here immediately. It's a weapon," Parks said. "It could have been put there for any reason. I don't know why." Parks reported the rifle Monday morning, and called police again yesterday. A Winnipeg police spokeswoman confirmed the report about the rifle, and said it will be picked up when a unit is available. Because no one is in imminent danger, the call has been given a lower priority compared with what police refer to as more urgent "protection of life" calls, Const. Jacqueline Chaput said. Contractors found the rifle, wrapped in bags, Monday in an opening they cut in the basement ceiling to install pipes and security cameras. One of the workers opened the bag and found the firearm. He took the gun to Parks, who has held it for police. Harry Hoffman, whose employees found the rifle, said the gun was not there when they opened the ceiling Thursday afternoon. "Somebody had the gun and stuck it up there to hide it," Hoffman said. Parks worries the rifle has been used in a crime. "They complain all the time about the increase in the use of guns ... but the police don't seem worried about this," he said. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:48:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] Use a gun, do life in prison http://www.winnipegsun.com/Comment/Letters/2007/07/25/4366149.html Use a gun, do life in prison I am appalled at the increase in gun violence in Winnipeg and other cities across North America. I am equally stunned to learn the answer proposed to stop this rise in gun crimes is to outlaw handguns. Perhaps people should have access to statistics on how many handguns involved in these crimes are legally purchased and registered weapons. Criminals are not obtaining these weapons through legitimate dealers and registering them with the federal government. These guns are purchased on the black market, many from American sellers who have no conscience about who will possess these weapons. Outlawing handguns will have little effect on these crime statistics. Criminals will still obtain these weapons through illegitimate means. If you want to reduce these violent crimes, the approach must be other avenues such as sentencing. I propose a mandatory life sentence for a person convicted of using a firearm in a violent crime. This would certainly reduce repeat offenders of gun crimes. Outlawing handguns to decrease violent crime would be as effective as outlawing narcotics to stop drug abuse. It is misguided and I would suggest ineffective. I am disappointed our elected officials cannot come up with better proposals when called upon by the people they represent in a time of need. Jason Zawadsky Winnipeg (Great idea, though it'd die in Ottawa.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:48:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: letter to Post (just sent) ... Third man arrested in connection with death of 11-year-old (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, When you report that the third man arrested in the tragic shooting of an 11-year old was also "known to police", and had not complied with his bail conditions, one might wonder which particular condition did he ignore? Not to posess an illegal firearm? Not to associate with known gang members? Not to kill anyone? If you ask me, the McGuinty government's "catch and release" program seems more suited to sport fishing than it is to criminal justice, but apparently, McGuinty, Kwinter, Bryant and even Mayor Miller seem to be getting a real kick out of the game. Not only do they have fun granting violent "Ghetto Dudes" bail, but as added bonus they can blame the Feds for not taking away legal handguns from law abiding target shooters because we all know -- that that's the real problem! Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:21:32 -0600 (CST) From: "mred" Subject: [none] - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: "POLICE...CUTS 'NOT ACHIEVABLE': CHIEF- [Toronto]- National Post" > Subject: "POLICE BUDGET CUTS 'NOT ACHIEVABLE': CHIEF- [Toronto]- National > Post" > > POLICE BUDGET CUTS 'NOT ACHIEVABLE': CHIEF > http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/toronto/story.html?id=7b7d0d3b-1cec-4349-a44b-acbbc8ed7ce6&p=1 > > Blair Rejects City's Request To Slash $10-Million From Force > Kelly Patrick, National Post > Published: Thursday, July 26, 2007 > Those parasitic beaurocrats would NEVER think about cutting useless beaurocarts from their budget would they > ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:46:30 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Your email-gun registration You sure this is legit ? I found several spelling mistakes without even trying. ed/ontario - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Curtis" To: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: Fw: Your email-gun registration > Your email-gun registration I received a less than 24 hour reply from Mr. > Harris. The following is his letter. > Maurice > > > Dear Mr Curtis, > > Thank you for your email, however your comments indicate that you may have > missed the point of my email to Todd Birch. > > To review our plans: THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT IS COMMITTED TO > SCRAPPING THE USELESS AND INEFFECTIVE LONG GUN REGISTRY > > We have NEVER said or indicated anything different that that! However as > we are a MINORITY government and the Liberal, Bloc, and NDP Opposition > parties outnumber us and are opposed to scrapping the long gun > registry...of course we have to wait until we form a majority in the next > election to do just as we have promised which is again to scrap the long > gun registry. > > You will find nothing that we have ever said or done that would indicate > that we are not going to fulfill our promise to scrap the long gun > registry! > > In the meantime by increasing our scrutinee of applicants for possession > licensing, we will doubly ensure that no one who has anything in their > background that would indicat they should not have a license, will get > one. > > We also want to impose MANDITORY jail sentence terms for firearms > offences. > > We also want to ensure that people who commit serious crimes go to JAIL! > And not get conditional sentences > > We also want the legislation to allow us to keep our most violent > criminals IN JAIL by imposing changes to parole applications > > Regarding your comment about waiting for the first criminal to apply for a > license...of course that won't happen because criminals do not respect the > law. They will continue to get their guns illegally, and that is exactly > why we want to legislate more severe ways of dealing with gun offenders > and violent criminals. > > None of this Bill C-21 has anything to do with changing our minds about > scrapping the long gun registration..You must understand that we need to > pass that "scrapping" legislation in Parliament and in in order to do it > we need a majority. > > When the Liverals brought in Bill C-68 in 1995.they HAD a majority and > with the help of the NDP and Bloc..they easily passed it. We Reformers > argued against it in the strongest of terms, however at the end it came > down to numbers and the Liberals had the numbers. > > With a majority government , WE will have the numbers required to SCRAP > the long gun registry..AND WE WILL! > > Hope this is clear enough. > > Dick Harris > ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #662 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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