From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #854 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, October 16 2007 Volume 10 : Number 854 In this issue: Who's Really Crazy? NRO: The possession of arms saved many Armenians. re: Gun toting American jailed Gun seizure at Peace Bridge CBC Fifth Estate hatchet job on gun owners [none] [US] Florida CCW license stats ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:22:49 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Who's Really Crazy? ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization October 16, 2007 JPFO ALERT: Who's Really Crazy? By now, many people have heard about the student at a Saint Paul, MN university who was suspended and ordered to undergo psychiatric counseling, merely for advocating firearms ownership. You can read an article about the incident here: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58082 Why would advocating self-defense -- a basic human right that no one can dispute -- result in a forced psychiatric evaluation? Our article, "Raging Against Self Defense: A Psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality" by Dr. Sarah Thompson answers this question and more. Read it here at http://www.jpfo.org/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm . We encourage all college and high school students, and anyone who works on a college campus, to help counteract "educators" promoting "gun control" schemes and enforcing their beliefs through thought-control. Download, print and distribute this article throughout campuses everywhere. We must stop this lunacy ... or the lunatics will continue to run the asylum. - - The Liberty Crew ============================================================ Visit our alert archive / sign up to receive email alerts (`'..(`'.. http://www.jpfo.org/alerts.htm ..')..') ~~ JPFO mirror site: http://www.jpfo.net ~~ ============================================================ This message was sent by: Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, P.O. Box 270143, Hartford, Wi 53027 Powered by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com Forward this message: http://app.icontact.com/icp/sub/forward?m=77337&s=3970868&c=AEUM&cid=165771 To be removed click here: http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=3970868&l=6467&s=AEUM&m=77337&c=165771 Receive our messages as an RSS feed: http://jpfoalerts.icontact.com/archives/rss.xml?r=3970868&l=6467&s=AEUM&m=77337&c=165771 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:37:10 -0600 From: Dennis & Hazel Young Subject: NRO: The possession of arms saved many Armenians. NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE Genocide Resistance: The possession of arms saved many Armenians. By Dave Kopel & Paul Gallant, & Joanne D. Eisen - October 16, 2007 4:00 AM W hatever may be said about the U.S. House of Representatives committee vote concerning the use of the term “genocide” in reference to Turkey’s atrocities against the Armenians during World War I, two facts are indisputable: It was gun confiscation that made the atrocities possible. And it was the possession of firearms that saved many Armenians. For full article: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2M4YWQxZjJjZDZiZTM2MTc0NmFjMTMzMzRlNWRlMzk= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:37:56 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: re: Gun toting American jailed Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:46:05 -0400 From: "ross" Subject: Gun toting American jailed It might be interesting to find out if customs asked him if he had a gun and replied no, then they searched. Customs cannot search without a warrant. This was upheld at the supreme court level two months ago where customs in a hunch searched a truck drilled holes in it and found six kilo of marijuana. The judge summarized by saying without a warrant, ALL EVIDENCE IS DISALLOWED. THE BORDER IS NOT A CHARTER FREE ZONE. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do Charter rights apply to every individual within Kanukistan, or do they only apply to gunuine Kanukistani's and landed immigrants to Kanukistan? Yours in Tryanny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:52:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Gun seizure at Peace Bridge http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=734881&auth=ALISON+LANGLEY+ Gun seizure at Peace Bridge Posted By ALISON LANGLEY Posted 23 hours ago FORT ERIE Two people face charges after a cache of weapons and ammunition was seized at the Peace Bridge. Canada Border Services Agency officers at the Peace Bridge on Sunday referred a vehicle to secondary inspection where a search revealed six firearms and ammunition. The two occupants of the vehicle each had three handguns concealed in their clothing, said Det. Sgt. Sean Polly, of the Niagara Regional Police intelligence services. The firearms seized were a .40 Glock pistol, a 9 mm Glock pistol, a Kahr Arms 9 mm pistol, a .38 special pistol, a .380 AMT pistol and a 9 mm Taurus pistol. Setayesh Omidi-Langroudi, 28, and Babak Porgol, 30, face 25 weapons-related offences. Police continue to investigate. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:20:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CBC Fifth Estate hatchet job on gun owners http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/firestar/ Firestar .45 ORIGINALLY AIRED: October 3, 2007 on CBC-TV On April 7, 1997, the Arrowhead Pawn Shop in Jonesboro, Georgia took possession, from a gun distributor, of a Firestar, a .45 calibre Spanish-made handgun. Arrowhead owner, Arthur Banks, put the steel-framed semi-automatic pistol in the glass showcase at the back of the store. It was known on the street as a little pocket rocket, for its compact size and power. The asking price was $600. The Firestar .45's first owner Christonia Woods was a small-time drug dealer in Clayton County, Georgia who felt his job required him to carry some protection. For his 21st birthday,Woods wanted a gun, initially, something shiny, big, with a bit of stopping power and he knew just the place to go. He visited the Arrowhead Pawn Shop with his friend Shannon Wilson. Wilson remembers that day, April 29, 1997. He wanted something chrome and shiny just for the thrill of having it, you know. But we looked at many guns. He picked out, you know, like the Dirty Harry, .657, the .44 magnum. He started picking out some huge guns he liked that one. christonia Woods Christonia Woods, the first owner of the gun. But, then, Wilson recalled, his friend Christonia Woods spotted the Firestar .45. And he said, no, I like this one. I want this pearl. He wanted something pretty. The birth of Michael James That same year that the Firestar .45 arrived at the Arrowhead Pawn Shop and ended up in Christonia Woods possession, 2,000 kilometres away in Jamaica, the James family welcomed the birth of a baby boy, called Michael. The story of how the lives of Michael James, from Jamaica and a gun, from Jonesboro, Georgia end up colliding in a suburb of Toronto five years, eight months and 27 days after the Firestar .45 first left the Arrowhead Pawn Shop, is the story of FIRESTAR .45. By the summer of 1999, two drug dealers from Chicago, Dante Fort and Andre Ray Peck, had moved into Jonesboro, Georgia. Their aim was to take over the neighborhood drug business. In their way, was Christonia Woods. Woods met his friend, Shannon Wilson at their local hang out, Applebees, on September 21, 1999. Wilson convinced Woods to remove the gun from his car where he usually kept the Firestar. I told him if you get caught with it now and you have a felony and even though it was legal at the time you purchased it they're gonna hold you accountable for having that gun because you're a convicted felon now. You will do five years plus whatever they stopped you for, they're gonna get you for that. So it's five years plus. Killing the gun's owner On September 22, 1999, Woods went to see friends Christopher Lynch and Marcus Robinson at 701 Mount Zion Road where Lynch was selling marijuana from the apartment. Dante Fort and Andre Peck had been there earlier that day to buy some marijuana. It was late at night when there was a knock at the door. Fort and Peck had returned, but this time they had a gun, a 9mm Glock, with them. Marcus Robinson remembers the moment. He kicked the door back open, thats when I stuck my head back out the door and like man, they got the gun and you know Im saying, I see it a lot on TV, but I had never seen it like that close-up. So that just threw me into shock right there. Robinson fled down the hall and saved his life by smashing through a back window. Four hundred dollars in cash and marijuana were taken from the kitchen. Christonia Woods and Christopher Lynch were lying on the floor dead. They had been shot execution-style. When Woods had needed his protection, his Firestar .45 most, it was nowhere near him. He had taken his friend, Shannons, advice and left it at home. Marcus Robinsons later testimony at trial would send Fort and Peck to prison for life for the double homicide. The gun disappears But, what happened to the Firestar .45? Christonias mother, Celia Taylor, said that it was probably stolen by one of his friends. It was Shannon Wilson who remembered a conversation he had with Celia. A month after Woods death, Wilson visited Christonias mother. She was like, what am I gonna do with the gun, what am I gonna do with this? Wilson thinks Taylor sold her sons gun. She was always talking about needing money, getting money. The Iron Pipeline It would take the Firestar four years to arrive in Canada, traveling along a route well-used by gun dealers and well-known to authorities. The I-95 highway traces the American Atlantic coast and is known as the Iron Pipeline or the Blue Steel Highway. Its along this interstate that tens of thousands of guns a year are purchased and sold and then smuggled from the U.S. into Canada. From Florida, the I-95 cuts through states with some of the weakest gun laws in the U.S., including Georgia. Guns from the southern states then find their way to states with some of the toughest gun laws, such as New York and Massachusetts. The Iron Pipeline, or Blue Steel Highway, was the route along which the Firestar .45, once owned by Christonia Woods, would travel on its way to Toronto. In 1998, the James family had begun its own journey to Canada where they believed they could escape Jamaicas violent gun culture and high murder rate. Michael Jamess older brother arrived that year and settled with his aunt in Mississauga, a Toronto suburb. By 2000, he was joined by his mother. The Firestar .45 in Canada Peel Regional Police say the Firestar .45 crossed the border into Ontario in 2001. It had been brought there by a Georgia drug dealer who needed protection when he was doing business in Ontario. Detective Dan Valleau worked on tracing the guns journey into Canada. He smuggled it over because he wanted a gun when he was in Canada but he didnt want to keep smuggling this gun over and over again. The drug dealer from Georgia wanted to find someone in Mississauga to hold onto the gun until he returned for his next drug deal. A contact in Mississauga happened to be close friends with the James family. Valleau says the teenaged brother of Michael James agreed to store the gun for the drug dealer. I call these kids gun lockers. A lot of gangsters will ask kids to hold their guns for them and there will be some kind of monetary reward for doing that, says Valleau. A tragic end for the James family By October 2002, the James family, including Michael, his older brother and two sisters, were all together living in Mississauga. Michaels older brother had stashed the Firestar .45 in a dresser drawer in his bedroom, a room he shared with Michael. The little boy was warned by his brother never to go into that drawer. January 3, 2003, Christmas decorations still filling the house, Michael and a playmate were in his bedroom. Michaels mother was at work at one of the local malls. His older brother had gone out. An older sister was babysitting, but was downstairs, away from the two young children playing in the bedroom. The drawer that Michael had been warned never to go into proved to be too much of a temptation to the two children. The gun, the Firestar .45 that had begun its journey in Jonesboro, Georgia was taken out of the drawer. The children argued about whether or not it was real. The safety catch was off. Michaels playmates little hands wrapped around the sensitive trigger of the semi-automatic pistol. And at 2:20 p.m. a bullet hit Michael in the face. By 3:15 p.m., he was pronounced dead at the hospital. Months later, the Firestar .45 was destroyed by Peel Regional Police, reduced to the molten metal from which it was first made. The journey of the gun had ended. It lasted almost as long as Michael Jamess life. http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/firestar/gunlaws.html GUN Laws In Georgia Georgias gun laws are considered among the most lax in the U.S. Buyers are not required to have a licence or permit to buy a handgun and aren't required to take a safety course. All that is required is a clean record with no felonies. "Instant" background checks are done with no waiting period for purchase of handguns, shotguns, or rifles. Handguns are not required to be registered with law enforcement. More on Georgia's gun laws. http://dps.georgia.gov/00/article/0,2086,5635600_6640623_34375811,00.html In Canada Canada's gun laws are considered some of the most stringent in the world. The process varies by province. In Ontario, for example, in order to legally purchase a handgun the buyer must go through a series of steps including applying for a 'Possession/Acquisition License', passing the Canadian Firearms Safety Course and the Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course, as well as passing a background check, joining a handgun club and completing a mandatory club level handgun safety course. For more information on Canada's gun laws see the Canadian Firearms Centre. http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/ http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/firestar/adrams.html INTERVIEW: Sandy Abrams Sandy Abrams has come to personify the struggle in the U.S. between law enforcement and the gun business. Guns sold at his shop, Valley Gun, outside Baltimore, Maryland, have been traced to at least eleven homicides, 41 assaults, 49 drug crimes and 101 cases of illegal conceal and carry. The Brady Report The Brady Center's investigative report called Death Valley: Profile of a Rogue Gun Dealer (.pdf file) reports that Abrams was one of the top suppliers of crime guns in the U.S. The ATF traced hundreds of crime guns to his shop Valley Gun, ranking him 37 out of nearly 80,000 licenced gun dealers in the U.S. According to the Brady report, Abrams operated Valley Gun starting in 1996. By 2003, the ATF had cited his shop for over 900 violations of federal law. He was cited for an illegal sale and unaccounted for inventory. The Justice Department has called Abrams "a serial violator of federal gun laws", and has "endangered the public by failing to account for hundreds of weapons." It took the ATF ten years to have Abrams licence revoked. But, Abrams fought back. Elected three times to the National Board of Directors of the National Rifle Association, Abrams has powerful friends. NRA lawyers sued the government to restore his gun shop licence. He lost, but he didn't give up. He transferred his gun inventory to his personal collection so he could keep selling guns. Interview with Sandy Abrams The fifth estate interviewed Abrams at his shop where he now sells gun accessories. He says that the 900 violations are based on a misunderstanding. SANDY ABRAMS: Bookkeeping , not crossing Is, dotting Ts, dotting Is, crossing Ts, not putting down the county the person lived in. Putting down the wrong county the person lived in even though you dont know what county they lived in. They put down a county and its not the right thing. How am I supposed to know? He lived there, I dont. I mean, would you know where any given street was in any particular place? No so the - that was the problem with the situation is that; that there are so many possibilities for error. In Maryland to buy two handguns at the same time, there are eight forms, 257 entries in 8 forms. Its impossible not to make mistakes and with the ATF you make the same mistake twice its willful. And if its willful you lose your licence. BOB MCKEOWN: Among the guns traced back to your store, guns used in 11 murders, 41 assualts in 46 drug cases. Over 100 cases of illegally carrying concealed weapons. Do you feel any responsibility for those guns? SANDY ABRAMS: That doesnt mean that the dealer does anything illegal or anything wrong. If the gun is stolen from the from the legal owner and then goes through the chain of, you know, black market and so forth, how is the dealer, what can the dealer do? And any dealer can run a background check on the person, require photo ID and so forth. Now at one point does the dealers responsibility end? In other words, they cant tell whats in a persons heart. They can only they can only have the police check their backgrounds. Its the polices decision. No deal can say to a person I wont sell this gun because I think youre a criminal. Its an instantaneous liability lawsuit, instant. Yes, dealers have responsibility to do as much as they can to make sure that sales dont go to bad people. BOB MCKEOWN: But if you're in the .05 percentile, the top 37 of 80,000 licensed gun dealers does it not tell you you're doing something that could be changed. SANDY ABRAMS: Nobodys yet to explain to me how. BOB MCKEOWN: Is that just bad luck, is it coincidence? SANDY ABRAMS: No, its the location its the volume, its how many guns you sell, what your location your store is in, again urban as opposed to suburban or rural. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:34:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [none] http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301040,00.html Guns Don't Kill Kids, Irresponsible Adults With Guns Do Wednesday, October 10, 2007 By John Lott, Jr. Should your doctor ask your child if you own a gun? Guidelines issued by the American Academy of Pediatric say "yes." They warn that "Children are curious even if theyve had some sort of firearm training. Thats why parents taking responsibility for safe gun storage is so essential. Doctors across the United States are being advised to interrogate children about mom and dads "bad" behavior. It sounds simple enough, but the problem is that the advice ignores the benefits and exaggerates the costs of gun ownership. Take a recent example from Massachusetts that was discussed in the Boston Herald: "Debbie is a mom from Uxbridge who was in the examination room when the pediatrician asked her 5-year-old, 'Does Daddy own a gun?' "When the little girl said yes, the doctor began grilling her and her mom about the number and type of guns, how they are stored, etc. "If the incident had ended there, it would have merely been annoying. "But when a friend in law enforcement let Debbie know that her doctor had filed a report with the police about her familys (entirely legal) gun ownership, she got mad." Perhaps it was only a matter of time. Accidental gun deaths involving children get national coverage. News programs stage experiments with 5 and 6-year-olds in a room filled with toys and a gun. Shocking pictures show the children picking up the gun and playing with it like a toy. For years, the Clinton administration would show public service ads with the voices or pictures of young children between the ages of 3 and 7 implying an epidemic of accidental gun deaths involving children. With all this attention, the fear is understandable, but it is still irresponsible. Convincing patients not to own guns or to at least lock them up will cost more lives than it will save. It also gives a misleading impression of what poses the greatest dangers to children. Accidental gun deaths among children are fortunately much rarer than most people believe. Consider the following numbers. In 2003, for the United States, the Centers for Disease Control reports that 28 children under age 10 died from accidental shots. With some 90 million gun owners and about 40 million children under 10, it is hard to find any item as commonly owned in American homes, as potentially as lethal, that has as low of an accidental death rate. These deaths also have little to do with "naturally curious" children shooting other children. From 1995 to 2001 only about nine of these accidental gun deaths each year involve a child under 10 shooting another child or themselves. Overwhelmingly, the shooters are adult males with long histories of alcoholism, arrests for violent crimes, automobile crashes, and suspended or revoked driver's licenses. Even if gun locks can stop the few children who abuse a gun from doing so, gun locks cannot stop adults from firing their own gun. It makes a lot more sense for doctors to ask if "daddy" has a violent criminal record or a history of substance abuse, rather than ask if they own a gun. Fear about guns also seems greatest among those who know the least about them. For example, those unfamiliar with guns dont realize that most young children simply couldnt fire your typical semi-automatic pistol. Even the few who posses the strength to pull back the slide on the gun are unlikely to know that they must do that to put the bullet in the chamber or that they need to switch off the safety. With so many greater dangers facing children everyday from common household items, it is not obvious why guns have been singled out. Here are some of the other ways that children under 10 died in 2004. Over 1,400 children were killed by cars, almost 260 of those deaths were young pedestrians. Bicycle and space heater accidents take many times more childrens lives than guns. Over 90 drowned in bathtubs. The most recent yearly data available indicates that over 30 children under age 5 drowned in five-gallon plastic water buckets. Yet, the real problem with this gun phobia is that without guns, victims are much more vulnerable to criminal attack. Guns are used defensively some 2 million times each year. Even though the police are extremely important in reducing crime, they simply can't be there all the time and virtually always arrive after the crime has been committed. Having a gun is by far the safest course of action when one is confronted by a criminal. The cases where young children use guns to save their familys lives rarely makes the news. Recent examples where childrens lives were clearly lost because guns were locked and inaccessible are ignored. Recent research that I did examining juvenile accidental gun deaths for all U.S. states from 1977 to 1998, found that sixteen states mandating that guns be locked up had no impact. What did happen, however, was that criminals were emboldened to attack people in their homes and crimes were more successful; 300 more murders and 4,000 more rapes occurred each year in these states. Burglaries also rose dramatically. The evidence also indicates that states with the biggest increases in gun ownership have had the biggest drops in violent crime. Asking patients about guns not only strains doctor patient relationships, it exaggerates the dangers and risks lives. Yet, in the end, possibly some good can come out of all this gun phobia. If your doctors ask you whether you own a gun, rather than sarcastically asking them if they own a space heater, why not offer to go out to a shooting range together and teach them about guns? John Lott, Jr., is the author of Freedomnomics and a Senior Research Scholar at the University of Maryland. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:47:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [US] Florida CCW license stats http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.html Concealed Weapon / Firearm Summary Report October 1, 1987 - September 30, 2007 ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #854 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:d.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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