From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #859 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, October 19 2007 Volume 10 : Number 859 In this issue: Re: Globe & Mail: Homicide rate drops in 2006 Re: City leads country in gun slayings RE: Homicide rate drops in 2006- Globe and Mail Update [Text Copy] Schwarzenegger Sides With Gun Control Re: Schwarzenegger Sides With Gun Control Re: Globe & Mail: Homicide rate drops in 2006 Re: Gangs look for registered guns: police Re: Schwarzenegger Sides With Gun Control Unacceptable to cancel gun registry, Miller says Court Challenge to Section 117.03 No Ordinary Girl "Any kick at the Liberal can is a good kick and for..." Unacceptable to cancel gun registry, Miller says BILL C-2, An Act to amend the Criminal Code ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:29:31 -0500 From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: Globe & Mail: Homicide rate drops in 2006 At 12:25 PM 10/18/2007 -0600, you wrote: > >Homicide rate drops in 2006 >by TENILLE BONOGUORE - Globe and Mail Update - October 17, 2007 at 11:50 AM >EDT >OTTAWA - Only 75 of the 605 Canadians killed last year were victims of >strangers. A new Statistics Canada report analyzing homicide data shows that >spouses, partners, family members and close friends were responsible for the >vast majority of killings in 2006, accounting for 293 deaths in that year >alone. > >http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071017.whomicide1017/B NStory/National/home?cid=al_gam_mostemail Maybe the next move is banning friendships and relationships? If it saves only one life! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:04:46 -0700 From: Robert LaCasse Subject: Re: City leads country in gun slayings On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:15:30 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>------------------------------ |> |>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:34:32 -0400 (EDT) |>From: Bruce Mills |>Subject: City leads country in gun slayings |> http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=456ec006-fd6b-4c07-b73d-cf3fe56d2423 |> |>City leads country in gun slayings |>Rate more than double Toronto's |> |>"We're going to be continuing to work on our gun |>violence and all of our violence," he said, adding the |>city police force maintains close ties with nearby |>RCMP detachments in fighting organized crime. |> Don't RCMPs get enough gun practive already, with their Swat/GTF teams occupying makeshit and special days at most ranges. Maybe they can bone up on their Taser tactics after last weeks multiple tasering death of an Immigrant from Polland in Vancouver BC... Do they know the actual effects of reverse polarizing of actual neurological engrams, or is the proof in pudding got enuff for them... Is everybody allowed to administer shock therapy, no it's generally legalfar anyone, unlike a "Buzz" Box recipient. In general, as a hole, the rcmp get less practice than the regular beat cop who have 2 days a week set aside for them....which closes the range to the general public. |>According to the Statistics Canada study, handguns |>were used in homicides more often than shotguns and |>rifles in 2006. And the majority of firearms recovered |>from homicides were not registered with the Canadian |>Firearms Centre. |> And this is supposed to be news to someone somewhere....maybe we are too far into this gun law stuff, to realize that those who never cared about registering for the last 20 years, will walk into the scene thinking nothing had happenned for the last 20 years in Canada's gun legislation. |>The rate of killings by offenders 17 and under was at |>its highest ever last year, at 18. |> Most Cops I have dealt with have a physical/mental age of about that....they think they own the world when they have you 100% outgunned....They even pull guns on mini cell phones.... - -- Triad Productions-Fantalla®~EZine~ParaNovel National Association of Assault Research (http://members.fortunecity.com/vampire34/htmlconc.html) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:16:07 -0700 From: "RFOCBC" Subject: RE: Homicide rate drops in 2006- Globe and Mail Update [Text Copy] Close friends? Who in the world is writing this nonsense? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca]On Behalf Of News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sent: October 18, 2007 11:53 AM To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Homicide rate drops in 2006- Globe and Mail Update [Text Copy] Homicide rate drops in 2006 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071017.whomicide1017/BNStory/National/home?cid=al_gam_mostemail TENILLE BONOGUORE Globe and Mail Update October 17, 2007 at 11:50 AM EDT OTTAWA - Only 75 of the 605 Canadians killed last year were victims of strangers. A new Statistics Canada report analyzing homicide data shows that spouses, partners, family members and CLOSE FRIENDS were responsible for the vast majority of killings in 2006, accounting for 293 deaths in that year alone. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:29:53 -0600 From: Dennis & Hazel Young Subject: Schwarzenegger Sides With Gun Control Schwarzenegger Sides With Gun Control Monday, October 15, 2007 8:59 AM http://www.newsmax.com/us/California_gun_control/2007/10/15/40907.html Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed the Crime Gun Identification Act over the weekend, and that means gun sellers by 2010 - if there are any left in the state by that time -- will have to use "microstamping" technology on every semiautomatic pistol they sell. The new law, AB 1471, requires information about a gun's make, model and identification number to be laser engraved onto the gun's firing pin. Theoretically, the information would transfer itself onto the bullet cartridge when the pistol is fired, allowing police to match bullet casings found at crime scenes with the gun that fired the bullet. Gun control groups say the new law will help police solve crimes. "We applaud Gov. Schwarzenegger for taking a bold step to solve gun murders in California," said Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke. "This ground-breaking law gives police officers a powerful tool to apprehend armed criminals and gang members before they strike again," he added. According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Schwarzenegger "has set a new national standard for the rest of the country to follow." But critics say the bill is back-door gun control. The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association of the firearms industry, accused Gov. Schwarzenegger of betraying law-abiding gun owners, retailers and hunters by signing the bill. First of all the "microstamping" technology is "flawed," as indicated by multiple studies, the NSSF said in a news release. Criminals will be able to remove the laser engraving in moments, using common household tools, the group said. And it would be easy for criminals to scatter microstamped cartridges from other guns at crime scenes to confuse police, critics say. Some say the new law will dry up gun sales in California - and that may be the point: "By signing the microstamping legislation, Governor Schwarzenegger chose to disregard warnings that major firearms manufacturers would be forced to abandon the California market altogether rather than bear the astronomical costs associated with reconfiguring the manufacturing and assembly processes necessary for microstamping," NSSF said. "Governor Schwarzenegger has now effectively banned more firearms than Senators Kennedy, Feinstein and Schumer combined," said Lawrence G. Keane, NSSF senior vice president and general counsel. "The governor's decision to mandate this unreliable technology is clearly one of family politics, not sound public policy," said Keane, referring to Senator Ted Kennedy, the uncle of the governor's wife, who has announced plans to introduce a federal microstamping bill. NSSF also noted that according to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives, firearms used in crimes are mostly old guns -- beyond the reach of microstamping legislation. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:37:02 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Schwarzenegger Sides With Gun Control - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" To: "Firearms Digest (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:29 AM Subject: Schwarzenegger Sides With Gun Control > Schwarzenegger Sides With Gun Control > Monday, October 15, 2007 8:59 AM http://www.newsmax.com/us/California_gun_control/2007/10/15/40907.html > > Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed the Crime Gun Identification Act over > the > weekend, and that means gun sellers by 2010 - if there are any left in the > state by that time -- will have to use "microstamping" technology on every > semiautomatic pistol they sell. > Its usually a simple matter to change a marked firing pin to an unmarked one ? which could be purchased outside CA? ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:46:07 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Globe & Mail: Homicide rate drops in 2006 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "10x" <10x@telus.net> To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Globe & Mail: Homicide rate drops in 2006 > At 12:25 PM 10/18/2007 -0600, you wrote: >> >>Homicide rate drops in 2006 >>by TENILLE BONOGUORE - Globe and Mail Update - October 17, 2007 at 11:50 >>AM >>EDT >>OTTAWA - Only 75 of the 605 Canadians killed last year were victims of >>strangers. A new Statistics Canada report analyzing homicide data shows >>that >>spouses, partners, family members and close friends were responsible for >>the >>vast majority of killings in 2006, accounting for 293 deaths in that year >>alone. >> >>http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071017.whomicide1017/B > NStory/National/home?cid=al_gam_mostemail > > Maybe the next move is banning friendships and relationships? > If it saves only one life! > > They already have, in CA, no mom amd dad anymore (must be something in the > air or water down there ?) ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:47:56 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Gangs look for registered guns: police - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Mills" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:11 PM Subject: Gangs look for registered guns: police http://www.yorkregion.com/article/46164 > > Gangs look for registered guns: police > > Guns are the third-leading cause of death among youth > aged 15 to 24 and bullets kill more in this > demographic than cancer, drowning and accidents > combined. > whats not mentioned ? is that 99% of these are gang bangers ? ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:01:19 -0500 From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: Schwarzenegger Sides With Gun Control At 08:37 AM 10/19/2007 -0400, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" >To: "Firearms Digest (E-mail)" >Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:29 AM >Subject: Schwarzenegger Sides With Gun Control > > >> Schwarzenegger Sides With Gun Control >> Monday, October 15, 2007 8:59 AM http://www.newsmax.com/us/California_gun_control/2007/10/15/40907.html >> >> Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed the Crime Gun Identification Act over >> the >> weekend, and that means gun sellers by 2010 - if there are any left in the >> state by that time -- will have to use "microstamping" technology on every >> semiautomatic pistol they sell. >> > >Its usually a simple matter to change a marked firing pin to an unmarked one >? which could be purchased outside CA? >ed/ontario Or possibly throw down brass from a police officer's gun? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:36:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Unacceptable to cancel gun registry, Miller says http://www.thestar.com/News/article/268450 Unacceptable to cancel gun registry, Miller says Favours introduction of reverse-onus bail law, but slams Harper plan to resurrect registry bill Oct 19, 2007 04:30 AM Allan Woods Ottawa Bureau OTTAWA–It is unacceptable for the federal government to beef up gun crime laws while at the same time promising new legislation to scrap the federal gun registry, Toronto Mayor David Miller says. Miller said in an interview yesterday he is pleased Parliament will once again be asked to pass a law that would force those accused of gun crimes to prove why they should be let out on bail, a measure both he and Premier Dalton McGuinty have called vital to securing Toronto's streets. But Miller said any claim that the Conservative government is getting tough on gun offences is eroded by a line in Tuesday's throne speech that promises to resurrect an unpopular bill to cancel measures that force gun owners to register their weapons. "You can't be tough on gun crime without being tough on guns," he said. "There's loopholes right now that allow collectors to own guns, and there's documented cases in Toronto of so-called collectors having their collections stolen and those guns ending up shooting people on our streets. "It's not acceptable and the federal government, in fact, should be strengthening our gun laws." In their first months in power, the Tories brought in legislation to cancel the gun registry following an auditor general's report that found more than $1 billion had been spent on a program that was only supposed to cost taxpayers $2 million. When it became clear that the opposition parties would not support the government bill, the Tories shelved it in favour of an amnesty for gun owners that is still in place. In addition to the reverse-onus bail for gun crimes, the Conservative crime bill proposes two new offences apparently aimed at tackling gun-related home invasions: breaking and entering with intent to steal a firearm; and robbery with intent to steal a firearm. The bill also calls for mandatory minimum sentences for those convicted of serious violent weapons offences. Convictions for crimes including attempted murder, sexual assault, hostage taking or gang-related offences that involve a gun would carry a five-year minimum sentence for a first conviction and seven years the second time around. With files from Tonda MacCharles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:01:48 -0600 From: Edward Hudson Subject: Court Challenge to Section 117.03 Court Challenge to Section 117.03 Yesterday Jack Wilson, Joe Gingrich, & I spend most of the morning and the early part of the afternoon in Saskatoon Court of Queen's Bench asking a judge to declare s. 117.03 of the Criminal Code unconstitutional. This case began October 2003 when an RCMP officer seized and confiscated a shotgun from me while Jack & I were our hunting ducks - and after first telling the RCMP where we would be with a firearm and NO firearms licence. We attempted to fight this confiscation with a Charter Challenge in provincial court, but were stymied because s. 117.03 does not allow a direct appeal after we lost our initial Charter argument. We began this new process by submitting a Notice of Motion in June, filling supporting affidavits from Dr. Joyce Lee Malcolm, Dr, Gary Mauser, along with affidavits from several firearms owners who were willing to get personally involved, and then submitting a legal brief of our reasons. Yesterday was our opportunity to "highlight the essential points" directly to the judge by oral argument. I think we did well. I think our case is solid. But I am certainly not under any illusions that we will get the decision Canadians deserve. The judge will send us his written decision in "about two months." We will spend the rest of this hunting season preparing for the inevitable appeal. Perhaps the most jovial event of our day occurred as we were leaving court. While Jack & Joe were loaded down lugging out two huge boxes of legal documents, I opened the door for them and came face-to-face with the Saskatchewan Court of Appeal Chief Justice who had unceremoniously and very quickly denied our application for Charter appeal in June. After I addressed him politely & reintroduced myself, Jack, & Joe, he smilingly enquired how our "legal lessons were going." I replied, "very well, but I expect we will be seeing you again very soon on another appeal." My Lord replied, "I will be looking forward to it." Tomorrow we leave for Kenora, Ontario, to observe at Bruce Montague's Constitutional Challenge and see how a real attorney handles the question: Do Canadian have a "Right of Armes for their Defense" ? Our legal brief and affidavits can be seen at: http://www.cufoa.ca/1.html Sincerely, Edward B. Hudson DVM, MS Secretary Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association 402 Skeena Crt Saskatoon Saskatchewan S7K 4H2 (306) 242-2379 (306) 230-8929 edwardhudson@shaw.ca www.cufoa.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:24:55 -0700 From: Christopher di Armani Subject: No Ordinary Girl [submitted to newspapers today] No Ordinary Girl By Christopher di Armani Katey Montague is no ordinary 15-year-old, nor is there anything ordinary about the experiences that are shaping this young woman. At twelve she suffered the trauma of watching her father, Bruce Montague, as he was dragged out of the Dryden Gun Show by six Ontario Police Officers September 11, 2004. As she stood crying, a family friend took her under his wing and called Donna Montague, her mother, to come get her. When her mother showed up at the gun show to retrieve the distraught child, the OPP arrested Donna Montague too. A year later the Ontario Attorney General's office seized the Montague family home using the Ontario Proceeds of Crime legislation. This legislation was supposedly aimed at drug dealers and gangs. Their reasoning appears simple: if the Montague's cannot afford to defend themselves, they'll be easier to convict. Seize their home and they cannot use it to finance their defense. Some 15-year-olds would cower in a corner and whimper the rest of their lives. Katey Montague, however, is not your average teenager. She refuses to accept this sort of treatment from her government without a fight. Using the tools of her generation, Katey Montague launched her attack on YouTube in January 2007. Her first video shows many of the serious gaffes the Canadian Firearms Centre has committed, along with some of the more ludicrous actions of teachers in schools. Over the intervening months she has released twenty-two videos on her YouTube site (http://www.youtube.com/kateysfirearmsfacts). Some show the utter failure of the police to protect women. Some encourage women to stand up for themselves and their rights. Many of her videos urge Canadians to educate themselves about both their rights and the law. After all, she says, if you don't have have the facts, how can you make an educated choice? While Katey doesn't claim to have all the answers, she shows an amazing clarity of purpose as she shows that one person can make a difference. Her latest video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=4bn_HNUy5f4) attacks the government's seizure of her parents home in 2005. She says it is an example of how laws passed with the best of intentions are being perverted into tools to persecute those never intended by our legislators. Katey Montague has a few more videos she intends to release as soon as the next federal election is called. She hopes they will encourage both our politicians and her fellow citizens to act responsibly. Her father, Bruce Montague, will be in Ontario Superior Court in Kenora, Ontario on Monday, October 22, 2007 attempting to show that Canada's Firearms Act is unconstitutional. Katey Montague will, of course, be there to support her father. - --- Christopher di Armani is a freelance writer and filmmaker who resides in Lytton, BC, Canada, with his wife Lynda and their two dogs, Koda and Tuco. Christopher can be contacted at christopher@diArmani.com or http://www.diArmani.com. - --30-- Yours in Liberty, Christopher di Armani christopher@diArmani.com http://www.diArmani.com Check out the latest from Katey Montague at http://www.YouTube.com/kateysfirearmsfacts ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:32:45 -0400 From: Paul Chicoine Subject: "Any kick at the Liberal can is a good kick and for..." Subject: "Any kick at the Liberal can is a good kick and for something not completely ......." Montreal Gazette Friday, October 19, 2007 Letters to the editor Page A20 Monty Python and the Liberals After Tuesday's Throne Speech, I was most interested in the reaction from Liberals. You know, the Liberals, the government-in-waiting. I was reminded of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. All the gallant Liberal knights, astride their pretend steeds, galloping on all twos, terrified of Stephen Harper's killer rabbit, crying out "Run away, run away." No doubt, Liberal Party members will continue to bray their agitated lament, something along the lines of "Bring out your dead, bring out your dead." Natural governing party, indeed. Paul Chicoine Laval ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Congratulations on getting published, Paul. Now, if I can only find a good shrubber???? CFD Moderator- DRGJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:38:48 -0600 From: Dennis & Hazel Young Subject: Unacceptable to cancel gun registry, Miller says TheStar.com - News Unacceptable to cancel gun registry, Miller says Favours introduction of reverse-onus bail law, but slams Harper plan to resurrect registry bill October 19, 2007 - Allan Woods, Ottawa Bureau http://www.thestar.com/News/article/268450 OTTAWA-It is unacceptable for the federal government to beef up gun crime laws while at the same time promising new legislation to scrap the federal gun registry, Toronto Mayor David Miller says. Miller said in an interview yesterday he is pleased Parliament will once again be asked to pass a law that would force those accused of gun crimes to prove why they should be let out on bail, a measure both he and Premier Dalton McGuinty have called vital to securing Toronto's streets. But Miller said any claim that the Conservative government is getting tough on gun offences is eroded by a line in Tuesday's throne speech that promises to resurrect an unpopular bill to cancel measures that force gun owners to register their weapons. "You can't be tough on gun crime without being tough on guns," he said. "There's loopholes right now that allow collectors to own guns, and there's documented cases in Toronto of so-called collectors having their collections stolen and those guns ending up shooting people on our streets. "It's not acceptable and the federal government, in fact, should be strengthening our gun laws." In their first months in power, the Tories brought in legislation to cancel the gun registry following an auditor general's report that found more than $1 billion had been spent on a program that was only supposed to cost taxpayers $2 million. When it became clear that the opposition parties would not support the government bill, the Tories shelved it in favour of an amnesty for gun owners that is still in place. In addition to the reverse-onus bail for gun crimes, the Conservative crime bill proposes two new offences apparently aimed at tackling gun-related home invasions: breaking and entering with intent to steal a firearm; and robbery with intent to steal a firearm. The bill also calls for mandatory minimum sentences for those convicted of serious violent weapons offences. Convictions for crimes including attempted murder, sexual assault, hostage taking or gang-related offences that involve a gun would carry a five-year minimum sentence for a first conviction and seven years the second time around. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With files from Tonda MacCharles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:46:36 -0600 From: Dennis & Hazel Young Subject: BILL C-2, An Act to amend the Criminal Code HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA Second Session, Thirty-ninth Parliament - 56 Elizabeth II, 2007 56 Elizabeth II, 2007 BILL C-2, An Act to amend the Criminal Code and to make consequential amendments to other Acts - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- first reading, October 18, 2007 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMMARY This enactment amends the Criminal Code by (a) creating two new firearm offences and providing escalating mandatory sentences of imprisonment for serious firearm offences; (b) strengthening the bail provisions for those accused of serious offences involving firearms and other regulated weapons; (c) providing for more effective sentencing and monitoring of dangerous and high-risk offenders; (d) introducing a new regime for the detection and investigation of drug impaired driving and strengthening the penalties for impaired driving; and (e) raising the age of consent for sexual activity from 14 to 16 years. http://www2.parl.gc.ca/content/hoc/Bills/392/Government/C-2/C-2_1/C-2_1.PDF http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=3078412&Language=e&Mode=1&File=19 ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #859 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:d.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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