From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #876 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, October 31 2007 Volume 10 : Number 876 In this issue: Marshall McLuhan would be able to explain it!! Harper could learn from Hillier Dog shoots hunter Re: Pre-1946 prohibs Family hopes for answers from inquest- The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) Re: Family hopes for answers from inquest- The StarPhoenix Routine gun probe leads to alleged major drug ring Yanks smarter than Canucks Hope this is not a one-day wonder finally Dog steps on loaded gun, shoots hunter Arthur Dagenais gets green light for lawsuit- The StarPhoenix ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:17:39 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Marshall McLuhan would be able to explain it!! Ross said on the CFD: >But politicians are what they are. Rectal rags that look out only for themselves (excepting gary brietkreuz) . My MP won't even write me the obligatory but inane response letter saying that my concerns are important to him. > This lack of any response obviously stems from control freak Harper. (The man has a pathological need to speak for the entire CPC caucus, the whole government and entire Nation). He appears to have a complete lack of courtesy and respect for his MPs capacity for even sub intelligent thought. He leaves his MPs looking like little school children asking for permission to go to the John. He also leaves his MPs looking like idiots who don't know nuthin about nuthin. I've even conjectured that Harper's 'people' have tagged many as 'trouble makers' - especially of such ilk who frequent this place, and there are standing orders to 'say' nothing to the whiners, bitchers and complainers who'll never be satisfied with the huge leaps of progress already provided. We're on his 'no fly' list. > Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by > public incredulity. > For a list of Marshall McLuhanisms go to: > http://www.marshallmcluhan.com/poster.html Sorry Stephen, but you're doing an awfully thorough job of convincing all those Red Torys across the Land that'd you'd be just 'too much' if you had a majority. If you want to take a lesson in political flame outs Steph, look at Ontario. We had a PC Party in contention for a minority gov't and at one point in the campaign had nudged into majority territory. In two weeks it had virtually self-destructed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:39:34 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Harper could learn from Hillier Top gun's fun It's easy to see why Gen. Rick Hillier is popular with the troops October 30, 2007; By GREG WESTON > http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/2007/10/30/pf-4616420.html No wonder Gen. Rick Hillier is worshipped by the men and women of Canada's military. We had the honour and pleasure of breaking bread next to the popular general at the annual Press Gallery dinner this past weekend, and let's just say it was an evening to be remembered. Far from the clipped starchiness of his predecessors I have met over the years, Canada's current top gun is engaging, friendly and funny. Over beef and vin blanc, Hillier regaled with tales of life on the frontlines of the country's military, from his heroes on the battlefield to his own failed experiment in home cooking with bagged rations. Every humorous story comes with a twinkle of Newfoundland mischief, every sad one reveals a tough guy with a soft heart. Rarely do many minutes pass on any subject that Hillier is not paying a touching tribute to one of his soldiers. More often than not, it seems, his highest praise is for those of lowest rank. Most of all, what's not to like about a general who refuses to march to the peevish whims of a petulant prime minister? Stephen Harper let it be known a few weeks ago that he would not be attending this year's annual bash for press and politicians. Harper's no-show was not exactly a big shock. After all, the decades-old event is specifically intended as an opportunity for politicians and journalists to sheathe their swords, and enjoy a good-natured evening of making fun of ourselves. The Good Humor Man of 24 Sussex, apparently, could not stomach the thought. PLAYING NICE In fact, the concept of playing nice with the other kids evidently so reviled Harper that he unleashed his senior attack mutts to warn off Conservative ministers and MPs from attending the dinner. While most Conservatives did what they seem to do best these days -- donned their muzzles and hid in fear of their master -- two venerable ministers and a handlful of Tory MPs received a standing ovation just for showing up. So did Liberal leader Stephane Dion, the only one of the four party heads with the good grace (and nerve) to keep with the tradition of playing standup comic to a tough crowd. "English-speaking Canadians can't understand me. French-speaking Canadians just can't stand me." Bravo! So what's with Harper, anyway? Was it just another outbreak of his visceral animosity towards the media, a spat of marginal public interest outside the social columns? Or is something potentially more serious at play in all this, a pattern of behavior that belies the most fundamental promise of the Conservatives in the last election -- namely, to make government transparent and accountable. Truth is, Harper is creating one of the most secretive and autocratic regimes in Canada's modern history. Rarely does a week pass without new reports of the Conservatives governing by white-out, the public's right to know, once sacrosanct, now cynically and systematically subverted as a routine element of political administration. Making life miserable for reporters is all part of the pattern: Discredit the messenger and you dull the message. If our daily hate mail from Conservatives is any indication, Harper's brawl with the media plays well in high-forehead country. But it is the public that ultimately loses when public information is sacrificed for political propaganda. How low are the Conservatives prepared to go? Shortly after 8 p.m. Saturday, as Gen. Hillier was sitting down to dinner with us in defiance of so much fear and loathing in high places, Harper's office issued a press release pointedly noting the PM had earlier attended a fundraiser for military families in Quebec. If Harper is looking for a fight with Hillier, the smart money will be on the general. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:05:17 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Dog shoots hunter Dog shoots hunter TheStar.com - World - Dog shoots hunter October 30, 2007 THE ASSOCIATED PRESS DES MOINES, Iowa – A hunter is recovering after he was shot in the leg at close range by his dog, who stepped on his shotgun and tripped the trigger. James Harris, 37, of Tama, Iowa, was hit in the calf Saturday, the opening day of pheasant season, said Alan Foster, a spokesman with the Iowa Department of Natural Resources. "He had surgery and is doing pretty well," he said today. "He took between 100-120 pellets in about a four-inch (10-centimetre) circle to his calf." Harris was listed in good condition today, officials at University Hospitals in Iowa City said. Harris was hunting with a group. The group shot a bird, and when Harris went to get it, he put his gun on the ground and crossed a fence. As he crossed the fence, his hunting dog stepped on the gun, Foster said. The gun was about a metre away from his leg. "The muzzle velocity is so great that the pellets don't have a chance to spread out," he said. No one else was hurt, and the dog was not injured. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:30 -0800 From: Robert LaCasse Subject: Re: Pre-1946 prohibs On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:56:24 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>------------------------------ |> |>Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:53:42 -0700 (PDT) |>From: Vladyslav Strashko |>Subject: Re: Pre-1946 prohibs |> |>Can I acquire a prohibited firearm if I am not grandfathered? No you cannot: |> Exception: If you are not grandfathered, the only prohibited firearms you |>may possess or acquire are handguns with a barrel length of 105 mm or |>less or that discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition, and only if all of |>the following criteria are met: |> |> the handgun was made before 1946, and |> the handgun was registered in Canada on December 1, 1998, and |> you are the child, grandchild, brother, sister or spouse of the lawful |>owner, and |> you are acquiring it for an approved purpose such as target shooting |>or as part of a collection. I have a 12(6) As a gun user, I find this gunlaw of all gunlaws totally useless in any manner of concept......a 12(6) as we know is the most ineffective handgun for crime, target practice, so in all the idiotic gunlaws, why is this added to the idiocy of the all the gunlaws... Do I want to use the average gun made before 1946.....No...not usually, it may be unsafe or difficult to find OEM parts, as you find in www.marstar... there are mostly Luger$ there, since the 1998 clause is in effect..on that trip as well.. - -- Triad Productions-Fantalla®~EZine~ParaNovel National Association of Assault Research (http://members.fortunecity.com/vampire34/htmlconc.html) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:17:41 -0600 From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Family hopes for answers from inquest- The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) Family hopes for answers from inquest http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/story.html?id=58cd1fae-c3dc-42a0-8ca3-065ca0f4992f Father believes son's 2005 death can be blamed on attack by wolves Chris Purdy, The StarPhoenix Published: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 EDITOR'S NOTE: Contents of this story may be offensive to some readers. PRINCE ALBERT -- The father of an Ontario engineering student killed in an animal attack while working in northern Saskatchewan hopes a coroner's inquest will finally prove wolves caused his death. "We're hoping the truth comes out," Kim Carnegie of Oshawa, Ont., said Monday during the first day of the weeklong inquest. "We're hoping the Saskatchewan government admits our son was killed by wolves. . . . It's hard to have closure when people are trying to lie about how your son died," he said, choking back tears. Kenton Carnegie, 22, was last seen alive as he headed out for an afternoon walk from a work camp at the Points North Landing supply depot on Nov. 8, 2005. Two hours later, worried co-workers found him mauled to death, surrounded by wolf tracks. There has never been a documented case of a fatal wolf attack in North America. An expert for the coroner's office is to testify later this week that Carnegie was killed by a black bear. Another expert called by the family will testify he was killed by wolves. It will be up to the six-member jury sitting in the inquest at a Prince Albert hotel to weigh the evidence and determine how Carnegie was killed as well as make recommendations to prevent similar deaths. John Morrall, the lawyer representing the coroner's office, said the jury is to hear testimony today from provincial environment officials about garbage dumps in the area and how they should be managed. Wolves were known to frequent an unfenced dump, located on Crown land near the Points North compound, before Carnegie's death. Todd Svarckopf, a pilot for Sander Geophysics Ltd., testified he and a co-worker had to fight off two aggressive wolves with sticks on Nov. 4, four days before Carnegie's death. He thought the wolves were trying to kill them. "They snapped their teeth constantly at us," said Svarckopf, adding he had never received work training on how to deal with animal encounters. The following day, Carnegie, a University of Waterloo student on a work term with Sander Geophysics, asked Svarckopf to go for a walk. But the pilot believed it was too dangerous. He said he told the restless Carnegie of his frightening encounter with the wolves and convinced him they should play hockey in the airport hangar instead. Svarckopf said when he learned Carnegie had not returned from a walk on Nov. 8, he and others went looking for him. They followed his footprints in the snow, leading into the woods, and found his body. "The wolves were all around us howling," said Mark Eikel, an assistant manager at Points North who helped with the search. "It was quite an eerie feeling." Too scared to stay beside the body, Eikel waited in a pickup truck with another worker on a nearby road until an RCMP officer and coroner arrived by plane from Wollaston Lake. Const. Al Noey testified he could see glowing eyes in the dark when he finally reached Carnegie's body, which had been dragged several metres from the spot where the other workers found him. He said he could hear animals moving in the bush, as if they were "trying to get their kill back." Noey said others in his group started a fire and shot their rifles and shotguns several times to keep what he thought were wolves at bay while he took photos of the scene. He saw many canine tracks, several drag marks and blood. Carnegie's footprints suggested he tried to run, said Noey. His body lay with a pant leg snagged on a tree stump. "The body was, like, pretty chewed up," Noey said. "The top mid-section to the thigh, it was all eaten up." Dr. Nico Brits, the pathologist who performed the autopsy, testified Carnegie lost about 25 to 30 per cent of his body mass in the attack. He was covered with bite and gnaw marks. Brits said multiple wounds on the body could indicate more than one animal was involved in the attack, but he could not determine if the marks were caused before or after death. Mechanic Bob Burseth, who also aided with the search, testified he saw a pack of four wolves near the airstrip twice in the days before Carnegie's death, and the same pack was there again the day after his body was discovered. He said he did not see bear tracks where the body was found. And he had not seen a bear in the area for at least a month. "At that time of year it's cold," said Burseth. "There weren't any bears around, and had there been a bear around it would have been in the garbage." chpurdy@sp.canwest.com © The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) 2007 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:11:50 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Family hopes for answers from inquest- The StarPhoenix - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:17 AM Subject: Family hopes for answers from inquest- The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) > Family hopes for answers from inquest > http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/story.html?id=58cd1fae-c3dc-42a0-8ca3-065ca0f4992f > > Father believes son's 2005 death can be blamed on attack by wolves > > Chris Purdy, The StarPhoenix > Published: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 > > EDITOR'S NOTE: Contents of this story may be offensive to some readers. > > > PRINCE ALBERT -- The father of an Ontario engineering student killed in an > animal attack while working in northern Saskatchewan hopes a coroner's > inquest will finally prove wolves caused his death. > Dont these people in the boonies have any firearms ? now that the wolves realize how easy, people are , to kill? they WILL attack again. They should bring in wolf hunters and euthanize them with lead . ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:09:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Routine gun probe leads to alleged major drug ring http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20071031.TORBRIEFS31-1/TPStory/TPNational/Ontario/ Routine gun probe leads to alleged major drug ring UNNATI GANDHI October 31, 2007 What began as a routine handgun recovery north of the city has led investigators from three countries to crack a major Canadian drug-trafficking ring. Police forces from York Region, Toronto, British Columbia, the United States and Britain collaborated in the nine-month investigation to arrest 48 people from the Toronto area and lay 175 drug and weapon charges. The narcotics seized include 6.7 kilograms of heroin, 1.5 kg of crystal methamphetamine, more than 8,500 tablets of OxyContin, more than 9,500 ecstasy pills and some cocaine, marijuana and opium. The combined street value of these drugs is estimated to be $4-million, police say. Officers also seized a BMW and a Hyundai, $117,000 in cash, nine handguns, an AK-47 assault rifle and a sawed-off shotgun. The investigation dates back to June, 2006, when York Region police recovered a gun that led them to several people suspected of importing, exporting and trafficking in drugs. Neither York Region nor Toronto police would provide further details on the bust ahead of a news conference scheduled for today, but according to a police news release, officers from across Ontario made the arrests in September after executing 22 search warrants. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:06:17 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Yanks smarter than Canucks A good read. Yanks shouldn't smart about the loonie soaring higher than their buck -- after all, they're superior in soooo many ways By MIKE STROBEL > http://www.torontosun.com/News/Canada/2007/10/31/4619261-sun.html "Canadians are a fine tribe of people. They are hardy -- they got to be to live next to us." - -- Will Rogers > You are better workers. I read where a Canadian is only 82% as > productive as an American. I keep reading and hearing this nonsense. NOT in the U.S. mfging plants I used to visit. The Canuck plants beat their U.S. cousins by a huge margin. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:15:46 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Hope this is not a one-day wonder This sounds like Jim Flaherty's big tax cutting budget in Ontario which caused the gov't to run out of operating fiends and led to hospital closures, 7-8,000 lay offs of nurses (gone the way of hula hoop makers), major cuts to our MNR, MOE and virtually every other service that tax payers 'really' wanted to pay for. Many wags suggest that if Steph and Co. really wanted to be helpful they would upload those things that Paul Martin downloaded on the provinces - causing them to download a whole bunch services on the municipalities. Yup we were assured that all this shuffling would be 'revenue neutral. IT WASN'T. Tax load just got lighter GST comes down a point plus other breaks; Liberals 'completely in disagreement' but won't vote it down By ALAN FINDLAY AND KATHLEEN HARRIS > http://www.torontosun.com/News/Canada/2007/10/31/pf-4619257.htm Finance Minister Jim Flaherty smiles as he delivers his fiscal update in Ottawa yesterday. (CP photo) OTTAWA -- Federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty unveiled a sweeping, $60-billion tax-relief plan yesterday including a GST cut and retroactive income tax reductions worth about a cup of coffee a day. Dating back to last January and rolling ahead to 2012, the Conservative government's fall mini-budget spells relief for individuals, companies and public institutions to the tune of between $9.3 billion to $14.7 billion each year, said Flaherty. "The individual tax cuts will be money in people's pockets as soon as they file their tax returns for the 2007 year," said Flaherty. Overall, the personal income tax relief announced yesterday will roughly add up to between $200 and $427 per household earning more than $30,000 a year. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:00:57 -0500 From: Paul Chicoine Subject: finally There is a conference going on in Montreal dealing with the problem of street gangs. A couple things of interest on this day's TV news: To date in Montreal there have been 14 gang related homicides compared to 12 last year. However there have been forty (4 0 ) gang related attempted homicides. (And its the duck hunters who need to be controlled when it comes to guns,,,right.) A look at the demographics of the gangs is also interesting, if just for the oblivious. Some gang members are recruited as young as 10 years of age. In most instances they are the younger brothers of existing gang members. The reason they go for the minnows, and this is straight from the mouth of the reporter, is the young offenders act which ensures that if they do get caught the jail time is insignificant. Finally, the media is beginning to hop on this band wagon and bust up the political correctness surrounding the hug-a-thug system. Bad news is that the street gangs are not focusing their attention on the cities, not in Quebec at least. Looks like they are establishing themselves in the small towns in the Laurentians north of Montreal. (I can see it now. With deer munching the corm patch and busy trying to coax wild turkeys to populate the fields around the hobby farm only to have a low riding, pimp mobile hip hop along the back roads. Geeze...) Keep an eye out for media coverage of this conference. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:26:32 -0600 From: Linda J Freefallcrusader Subject: Dog steps on loaded gun, shoots hunter Dog steps on loaded gun, shoots hunter http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/International/2007/10/31/4618870-sun.html Dog steps on loaded gun, shoots hunter Wed, October 31, 2007 By AP DES MOINES, IOWA -- A hunter is recovering after he was shot in the leg at close range by his dog, who stepped on his shotgun and tripped the trigger. James Harris, 37, of Tama, Iowa, was hit in the calf Saturday, the opening day of pheasant season, said Alan Foster, a spokesperson with the Iowa Department of Natural Resources. "He had surgery and is doing pretty well," he said. "He took between 100-120 pellets in about a four-inch (10-centimetre) circle to his calf." Harris was listed in good condition yesterday, officials at University Hospitals in Iowa City said. Harris was hunting with a group about five kilometres north of Grinnell. The group shot a bird and when Harris went to get it, he put his gun on the ground and crossed a fence. As he crossed the fence, his hunting dog stepped on the gun, Foster said. The gun was about a metre away from his leg. "The muzzle velocity is so great that the pellets don't have a chance to spread out," he said. No one else was hurt and the dog was not injured. Foster said no citations had been issued. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:44:37 -0600 From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Arthur Dagenais gets green light for lawsuit- The StarPhoenix Arthur Dagenais gets green light for lawsuit http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/local/story.html?id=06c0d120-7b24-448a-ba06-81cc8006646d The StarPhoenix Published: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 The father of a man accused of killing two RCMP officers will be allowed to proceed with his malicious prosecution lawsuit against three officers, the provincial government and his ex-wife. The Saskatchewan Court of Appeal on Friday dismissed the federal government's application to throw out the claim brought in 2005 by Arthur Dagenais. Dagenais' son Curtis has been charged with first-degree murder in the July 2006 deaths of RCMP constables Robin Cameron and Marc Bourdages near Spiritwood. The decision means Arthur Dagenais may now proceed with his lawsuit alleging the province violated his rights under the charter, and the officers and his ex-wife undertook a malicious prosecution in 2003 when he was charged with sexual assault causing bodily harm. The charge was stayed in January 2004 and Dagenais filed suit in March 2005. Lawyers for the province and RCMP Sgt. Brad Mueller and constables Rene Giroux and Ed Gallant applied last year to have the lawsuit thrown out. They were partly successful, as Justice Grant Currie struck out certain elements of the claim and restricted it to the malicious prosecution and charter breach. On Friday, the officers, represented by federal government lawyer Scott Moffat, applied to have the malicious prosecution allegation struck, but the Appeal Court upheld Currie's order. Dagenais is now free to try to prove the allegations in court. © The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) 2007 ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V10 #876 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:d.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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