Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, August 22 2008 Volume 11 : Number 1004 In this issue: Poisoning the well ? Re: [FF] Winnipeg [LETTER] Link between gun laws and lower crime rates- Windsor Star One dead, one injured in Surrey shooting- The Vancouver Sun City sees major rise in gun and drug crimes - Ottawa Sun ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:49:39 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: Poisoning the well ? Cc: Oppal Oppal , Suzanne Anton , Wally Craig , Sandra@F.A.C.T. , Vancouver Sun , Raymond Louie Subject: Letter: Crime central- The Calgary Herald Crime central http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/letters/story.html? id=c8fe8012-c346-4956-ac38-12b8f1210643 Calgary Herald Published: Friday, August 22, 2008 Re: "Killing spurs push for officers," Aug. 19. No surprise about the drug-related shooting in the Beltline. Over the past five years the Mission and Beltline areas have been degraded into a haven for the homeless, drug dealers, drug users and prostitutes. A more visible police presence in this area or even a community policing office is needed. Colleen Maier, Calgary - ------------------------ Colleen writes: She's right . . but judges aren't 'on side' . . Over the past five years the Mission and Beltline* areas have been degraded into a haven for the homeless, drug dealers, drug users and prostitutes. Gee, doesn't this sound like the DTES ( downtown East Side . .Vancouver) - -or similar areas which . . under the previous Liberal administrations in all Canadian cities were allowed to fester? With a drug friendly council, now fighting with the Feds over Insite . . never consulting with the voter . ., have begun a fight over a failing experiment. There's not a house in our street which hasn't been hit by criminals AFTER local drug store began dispensing a prescription drug which allowed the druggie to continue taking drugs . . The store has prospered while we continue to be patrolled by criminals on bikes and cell phones . . The police are run off their feet , while judges continue to tell the crooks they have nothing to worry about . . It seems the bigger the crime . . the less the time . . Victims have found it necessary to form defensive groups ( F.A.C.T. ) for one just to try to get their concerns to obtuse judiciary . . 'We will stare you down' ??? It's CRIME we are worried about, not some druggie getting his next hit . LM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: [FF] Winnipeg To: ff@brucemontague.ca Me, Bruce, or Bruce Montague? Yours in LIBERTY! The Other Bruce - --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Al Muir wrote: > From: Al Muir > Subject: [FF] Winnipeg > To: ff@brucemontague.ca > Cc: cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca > Received: Friday, August 22, 2008, 1:06 AM > Hi Bruce, > > I hear you are headed to Winnipeg to participate in the > Cons next convention. I wonder if you could tell us what you > hope to accomplish there? > > As you know I am well aware of the work you did to have > them adopt a policy on firearms that we could live with. I > had thought by your previous public statements that you were > satisfied with what was adopted. Given that, is your > attendance aimed at altering there actions as opposed to the > policy, by your intent to deliver the message that many of > us will not vote for the Cons if they do not show a > willingness to adhear to their policy? Or on the other hand > is it an attempt to correct perceived deficiencies in their > policy? > > Perhaps there is another motivation that I have > overlooked? > > Take care, > Al > > _______________________________________________ > FF@brucemontague.ca Members: Bruce Montague, Donna > Montague, Christopher diArmani, Bruce Mills, Ed Hudson, > AlMuir, Ryan Kidd, Joe Gingrich, KathyJoslin, Kingsley > Beattie, Frank Cochrane, Clive Edwards, Willy Floyd, Tracey > Kleim, Keith King, Yvon Dionne, Bill Wimpney, Kevin Fehler, > Don Fair ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:17:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] Link between gun laws and lower crime rates- Windsor Star http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/news/letters/story.html?id=5fa352cc-96d2-4214-9ae5-315a7d861525 Link between gun laws and lower crime rates Windsor Star Published: Friday, August 22, 2008 Re: U.S. Residents Have Right to Protect Themselves. Among the many reasons for the 22 per cent reduction in crime that the U.S. has experienced over the last 25 years is the fact that the number of states with concealed carry laws has doubled. All 40 of those states experienced an immediate and noticeable decrease in all rates of crime when they enacted this law, which allows non-felons to obtain training and a permit to carry a handgun for self-defence. Empowering potential victims makes them less likely to fall prey to criminals, a lesson we still have not learned in Canada. JEFF GARDINER Wellesley, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:25:16 -0600 From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: One dead, one injured in Surrey shooting- The Vancouver Sun *Latest News Please note that this articles content my be "updated" or changed at a later time. - -DRGJ One dead, one injured in Surrey shooting http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=b21a3b78-a8a3-496f-a568-92e97111a705 Image & Caption A home at 124 Street and 90A Avenue in Surrey where one young man died and another was injured in a shooting incident Thursday. - -Christine Kilpatrick/Special to the Vancouver Sun Kim Bolan, Vancouver Sun Published: Friday, August 22, 2008 Residents in a Surrey neighbourhood are in shock after two young men were gunned down outside a home that "isn't frequented by police," Surrey RCMP said. Gurpreet "Gary" Sidhu, 22, is dead and one of his friends is seriously injured after they were shot in front of Sidhu's family home late Thursday night. Neighbours one house down from 12451 90A Ave. Called police after hearing five shots fired, said Gurmeet Singh, whose uncle made the call. "I've never seen any trouble here before, it's tragic, it's sad," Singh said. Sidhu lived in the home with his mother, father, and two grandparents, Singh said. Sidhu's sister, who recently married and moved out of the home, is inside the residence with the rest of the family and friends. Six friends came by and left four bouquets of roses outside the home, a dozen pink, a dozen red and two dozen yellow-orange. Another bouquet was dropped off by a young man who drove up in a black Cadillac with an N sign. The card read "RIP bro it's a shame the good die young". There are more than 30 pairs of shoes outside the home and in the foyer. Narmohander Singh Badesha, a relative visiting the home, said Gary was "a good boy" who "respected everybody." "We are a peace-loving family," Singh Badesha, 68, said, adding that Gary's father and grandfather were also "good men." Baljeet Sihota, another relative, said she couldn't sleep Thursday night after hearing Gary had been shot. "I already miss him so much," she said, standing on the sidewalk in front of the Sidhu family home with her son. "He was nice, friendly and loveable, it shouldn't have happened to him." Kirndeep Dhesi, a mother who lives across the street with her husband, inlaws and two kids, said she's scared now because the shooting happened just before 11 p.m., not later. "People are walking around at that time on the roads," she said, adding residents stroll around the neighbourhood a lot. Dhesi, 29, also said the Sidhus are "a good family" and that she's never seen anything like the shooting happen in the nine years she's lived in the neighbourhood. Police are also investigating a report of shots fired at 104 Avenue and 140 Street in Surrey. - -- -- Letters To the editor You can also email your letter (maximum 200 words) to; sunletters@png.canwest.com *No attachments please* or fax it to 604-605-2522 or send it to; Vancouver Sun Letters to the Editor #1-200 Granville Street Vancouver, BC V6C 3N3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:33:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: City sees major rise in gun and drug crimes - Ottawa Sun http://www.ottawasun.com/News/OttawaAndRegion/2008/08/21/6521281-sun.html City sees major rise in gun and drug crimes By TERRI SAUNDERS, SUN MEDIA Thu, August 21, 2008 The number of drug and weapons charges going through the court system in the city has doubled over the past seven years, according to a recent study. In an analysis by The Canadian Press of provincial criminal charges, area residents faced more than 1,000 drug possession charges in 2007, more than double the 490 charges laid in 2000. Weapons charges in the capital also spiked, up to 1,300 last year from 700 in 2000. "The problem we get when people see numbers like these and then ask questions about the city's crime rate, it's comparing apples and oranges because the two are not the same," said Randy Mar, director of corporate planning for the Ottawa Police Service. "We don't look at charges in terms of how our city is faring when it comes to crime. What we know is that, overall, crime in Ottawa is down." One of the reasons the number is rising while crime is declining could be the establishment in 2006 of the force's guns and gangs unit. Staff Sgt. Mike Callaghan, who oversees the youth crime aspect of the operation, said while crime rates might be down in many areas, there's no doubt some things are happening more frequently than before. GUN CRIMES UP "The answer is yes," said Callaghan when asked if weapons are finding their way into the hands of teens more than ever before. "But I don't necessarily measure any successes by the number of charges laid. I measure success in the number of young people we can get to before they have a chance to participate in criminal activity." Ottawa West-Nepean MP John Baird said the feds are doing what they can to combat crime by ensuring provincial and municipal leaders have the resources they need. "We are fighting tooth and nail for things such as mandatory jail sentences for violent crimes," said Baird. "But it has to be a multi-level approach. Everyone has to do their part." The study also looked at the length of time it takes criminal charges to make it through the justice system. In Ottawa, the longest waits were those related to murder (433 days in 2007). The provincial average was 286 days. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V11 #1004 ************************************ Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:drg.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)