Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, February 19 2008 Volume 11 : Number 227 In this issue: Letter: Kangaroo courts- The Toronto Sun Flying car injures three at wedding- The Toronto Sun U.S. rescreening of bags from Canada called overkill- Globe & Mail Rubber hoses to bad behaviour Comment to: Re: Cell phones for women at risk Latest School Shooter was a "Hopeless" Liberal Re: Column:Soldier’s complaints present weighty questions-S Taylor Opposition finds itself allied with accused multiple-murderer CWNS Freedom Remains Elusive for Journalist ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:08:27 -0600 From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Letter: Kangaroo courts- The Toronto Sun http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/Letters/2008/02/16/4853346.html Sun, February 17, 2008 Kangaroo courts Alan Shanoff is awfully blasé about Human Rights Commissions having the power to decide what Canadians can and cannot say ("The risks of free speech," Feb. 10). As an attorney, though, he of all people should be concerned since HRCs are "courts" in which there is no presumption of innocence, the usual rules of evidence don't apply, the verdict --guilty -- is a foregone conclusion, and the defendant is always on the hook for costs, while the complainant, even if his is a "nuisance" suit, gets off without having to pay a nickel. Such kangaroo courts may have a place in totalitarian countries and the novels of Kafka and Orwell, but, clearly, they do not belong in a Western democracy like Canada. Mindy G. Alter Toronto (If the Levant and Steyn cases went the distance and guilty was the verdict, kangaroo wouldn't even begin to describe the court) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:45:05 -0600 From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Flying car injures three at wedding- The Toronto Sun Flying car injures three at wedding http://www.torontosun.com/News/TorontoAndGTA/2008/02/18/4856037-sun.html Image & Caption Shahid Awan, 46, lies heavily sedated as his wife Shahida, carrying their youngest of four children, 10-month-old Arham, looks on at St. Michael’s Hospital ICU yesterday. (Greg Henkenhaf, Sun Media) Driver disqualified from driving: cops By DON PEAT, SUN MEDIA Mon, February 18, 2008 Two people suffered life-threatening injuries after a car driven by a disqualified driver flew off a snowbank and struck three people near a parked taxi outside a wedding reception early yesterday. "This is a preventable collision," Toronto Police Const. Mig Roberts said. "Two innocent people that were doing the right thing taking a taxi home and they get hit by this individual travelling at a high rate of speed." Roberts said the car, an Audi, was travelling at a high rate of speed east on Lake Shore Blvd. at 2:15 a.m. near the Palais Royale. "This vehicle lost control, mounted a snowbank and went airborne and struck a taxi that was waiting to pick up two pedestrians," he said. The taxi driver and a wedding guest waiting to get in the cab suffered severe head injuries. Beck Taxi driver Shahid Awan, 46, of Ajax, a married father of four young children, remains heavily sedated in St. Michael's Hospital, his brother Qaisar Malik, 37, told the Sun last night. Yesterday, the waiting room on the hospital floor where Awan lay sedated was so full with family and friends that up to 20 people had to wait in the halls for any news. Malik came upon the crash while driving his cab along Lake Shore Blvd. He recognized his brother's car but Awan had already been rushed to hospital. Malik said his brother, a seven-year veteran driver originally from Pakistan, was opening the door of his taxi when the car slammed into the van. "His leg is broken in two places; he may need surgery," Malik said, adding the seriousness of his brother's head injury is unknown. A 29-year-old man about to get into the cab also remains in hospital with serious injuries, police said. A 29-year-old female who was also outside the cab suffered non-life threatening injuries. "I feel really, really bad, this kind of driver shouldn't be on the road," Malik said. He visited his sedated brother in the ICU yesterday. "I can't even sit there, I can't stand it, I can't watch him like that," Malik said. It took police dogs to find the driver of the Audi after he led them on a 90-minute search around the lakefront landmark. "I think he ran down by the lake and tried to do a bit of a roundabout," Roberts said. "There was no indication he actually went into the lake." Roberts said there was no alcohol involved but the driver was disqualified and shouldn't have been driving. Cory Mark Campbell, 21, of Toronto, is charged with two counts of dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing bodily harm, two counts of failing to stop at the scene of an accident causing bodily harm, dangerous operation, failing to stop after an accident, and operation of a motor vehicle while disqualified. He suffered a broken wrist, police said. Staff at the Palais Royale said the wedding reception had been a perfect night until the horrific collision just steps from the building's east door. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:00:57 -0600 From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: U.S. rescreening of bags from Canada called overkill- Globe & Mail U.S. rescreening of bags from Canada called overkill http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080218.wbags18/BNStory/National/home UNNATI GANDHI From Monday's Globe and Mail February 18, 2008 at 4:56 AM EST A U.S. policy requiring luggage arriving from Canada to be rescreened is so tangled in red tape that it's causing people to miss connections and is responsible for the loss or delay of as many as 100,000 bags annually, experts warn. All, they say, without making the flights any safer. The policy, developed after 9/11 and in place since 2003, requires all bags from flights coming from Canada to be screened at U.S. airports by the federally regulated Transportation Security Administration before they can be loaded onto connecting planes. This, despite having already been screened and precleared by U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers stationed at Canada's eight major airports. The airport in Shannon, Ireland, is the only other in the world with preclearance to the United States. "In essence, that bag that's already been deemed safe ... gets to the United States, is taken off the airplane, goes back inside the air terminal building, gets rescreened and resecured, and is then sent back out to the second airplane and loaded," said Jim Facette, president and CEO of the Canadian Airports Council, which represents airports across the country. "So two things are happening: The passenger is waiting a longer period of time than they need to because screening can take between 75 and 90 minutes, and the TSA is incurring a whole lot of costs. It's unnecessary." Unnecessary, airports and airlines in both Canada and the United States maintain, because the screening technology and security procedures in place in both countries are virtually identical, and precleared passengers can't access their checked bags between flights. Fred Gaspar, vice-president of policy for the Air Transport Association of Canada, which represents Canadian airlines, said no carrier would call for something that compromises passenger safety. "Our concern with the rescreening of baggage primarily rests upon the fact that we've been given no substantive analysis to demonstrate any marginal value to security." According to a recent report by the Canadian Airports Council and Airports Council International, rescreening Canadian bags means each year U.S. staff are clocking an additional 300,000 screening hours. It is costing the industry an extra $10-million. "Each day this practice continues," the report says, "the rescreening process diverts limited resources from being efficiently focused on security threats." The Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport is even planning to spend $50-million for an explosives detection building and "we're going to have to build a separate system to handle Canadian bags, which have already been screened," according to airport director Steve Wareham. Further, because the rescreening requirements are "extremely labour-intensive," the report says, as many as 100,000 bags belonging to Canadian travellers are getting lost or misdirected because they are missing connections while they are rescreened. Travellers are also spending more time in airports. Before 2003, precleared passengers from Canada were able to meet 20- to 30-minute connect times, according to the report. Since the rescreening requirements went into effect, this has more than doubled to 70 minutes. The issue hasn't flown under the radar. Last month, the Secure Borders and Open Doors Advisory Committee - made up of 21 experts and business leaders appointed by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff - tabled a report on ways to increase travel to the United States. It found that rescreening is "often redundant, particularly in the case of baggage arriving from Canadian and other preclearance points. ... The bags already have been screened. This duplication impedes the efficient use of limited TSA and CBP resources and degrades the visitor's arrival experience." Prime Minister Stephen Harper and President George W. Bush even touched on the topic in their Security and Prosperity Partnership at the North American Leaders' Summit in Montebello, Que. The U.S. Transportation Security Administration is aware of the calls for the elimination of rescreening and is in talks with its Canadian counterpart, Transport Canada. But for now, spokesman Christopher White said, the U.S. airports must continue to rescreen luggage from Canada because it's the law. "We're trying to determine what the differences are [between the screening technology and procedures] and what we can do jointly to continue to forward the issue," he said. Northwest Airlines, which flies to more cities in Canada from the United States than any other U.S. airline, suggests the Transportation Security Administration change its interpretation of the law and come to a "mutual agreement with Transport Canada that screening in both countries is virtually the same," eliminating rescreening while maintaining the spirit of the law, Joe Taney, vice-president of airline operations, said. Patrick Charette, a spokesman for Transport Canada, said Canada is eager to find a "mutually acceptable resolution," but wants "to make sure that we can demonstrate that our own screening system is as good as the U.S." Good luck, one national security expert says. "It's a political issue. Nobody wants to be seen to be going lax on security, even if the security is unnecessary," said Reg Whitaker, a professor of political science and author of a number of books and articles on security issues. Prof. Whitaker, who also reported to the Air India commission on the aviation security aspects of the 1985 bombing, said the Canadian standards for screening checked baggage are on par with U.S. ones. "No system is foolproof, but the Canadian system is just as good as the American one. And it's recognized internationally ... for meeting and exceeding international standards. And yet they insist on this silliness because it's in the bureaucratic rules." Ultimately, he said, the policy will continue to exist, "generating more and more red tape." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:43:55 -0500 From: Subject: Rubber hoses to bad behaviour Courts recently upheld police continuing interogation of a suspect even after he or she has lawyered up and asserted a right to silence, Now we find the same courts allowing evidence that was obtained illegaly and as a result of bad police behaviour being admitted. The claim that society is better served admitting the evidence is a total crock. Pandoras box has now been opened, and our rights were just flushed. Now Pilice can continue interogations even after lawyering up perhaps the next step will be a bit of the fisticuffs or rubber hose treatment or maybe even waterboarding, now that it appears that bad police behaviour brings with it no consequences. We are closer than ever to a total police state dear gentle readers, and this thought should strike fear in thte hearts of every law abiding citizen. If they can trample a crimionals rights and a suspects rights, can they trample yours? It would appear they can, and they can do so with impunity. Truly it is them and us, and it appears we are on the losing end ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:56:07 -0400 From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Comment to: Re: Cell phones for women at risk To: jfong@thejournal.canwest.com Re: Cell link for women at risk aims to double phone supply http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=09d4f171-048e-4716-a234-a74ab2d971c1&k=29196 Dear Sir/ms, You need to watch this if you believe in cell phones as personal safety devices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaiAFfNceyo - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:01:59 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Latest School Shooter was a "Hopeless" Liberal http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_021808/content/01125104.guest.html Story #3: Latest School Shooter was a "Hopeless" Liberal RUSH: Fascinating column from yesterday's Chicago Sun-Times by Mary Mitchell. It's about the shooting at Northern Illinois University. "If you're wondering why Sen. Barack Obama's message of hope has resonated with so many voters across the country, consider the shooting rampage at Northern Illinois University. Despite a decade of school shootings, we are never prepared for the horror of someone opening fire on innocent people, then taking his or her own life. On Thursday, five people were killed and more than 20 others were injured when a man who was described by school administrators as a former top"... You know what, folks? The guy was a liberal! Did you read this guy's website? He believed in peace, he believed in love, he believed in equality. And so all of the authorities were saying, "Oh, he was a harmless little guy, he was such a good student, Mr. Limbaugh, he cared about others, he was just so obviously disturbed, just off his medication." He was a liberal that did this! And the Drive-Bys were just hoping this guy could be pegged as a listener to conservative talk radio. Had he been a conservative, nobody would have been talking about what a wonderful young man and what quiet, undisruptive life he had led. They would have just ripped this guy a new one! Now they're building him up as some fallen liberal, like the Unabomber. Remember? He was a fallen liberal, a fallen intellectual, what have you, reading Algore's book out there in the shack in Montana or wherever the Unabomber's place was. Anyway, back here to Mary Mitchell. "Why are people walking around armed to the teeth? The only reason I can think of is that too many people have lost hope. 'The pain of hopelessness.' We are living at a time when depression seems to be as common as a cold or flu. Yet what is depression but an impenetrable cloud of hopelessness? Hopelessness is behind the violence that erupts on street" -- No, it's not, Ms. Mitchell. It's evil. Evil is "behind the violence that erupts on street corners and behind closed doors and middle class homes where women have killed their own children and tried to take their own lives." It is evil or it is mental instability, but it is not hopelessness. "Shooting shows why Obama strikes a chord... Because without hope, nothing changes," she writes. "A gift the country needs" is hope! "Obama is surging ahead because a lot of people are tired of believing they are powerless to heal an ailing nation." Yes: were Obama president, these things such as the shooting at Northern Illinois University won't happen because all we need is hope. I'm not making it up. Mary Mitchell, Chicago Sun-Times yesterday. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:54:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mark L Horstead Subject: Re: Column:Soldier’s complaints present weighty questions-S Taylor - --- News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca wrote: > Soldier’s complaints present weighty questions > http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/Opinion/1038787.html > > By SCOTT TAYLOR On Target > Mon. Feb 18 - 5:00 AM He is going to even greated lengths to prove that he is out-of-date and knows nothing about what his successors are doing and dealing with. The discussion, by people who do know what they're talking about, of his latest round of nonsense begins partway down this page: http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,68406.600.html Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:53:12 -0600 From: News@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Opposition finds itself allied with accused multiple-murderer CWNS Opposition finds itself allied with accused multiple-murderer http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=24c49919-3899-4fd1-a386-0ee25666984e&k=71879 Image & Caption Marguerite Veillette, 8, and her three siblings died in a fire allegedly set by their father. - -Handout Randy Boswell, Canwest News Service Published: Monday, February 18, 2008 When the three federal opposition leaders lined up last fall to fight the Conservative government's new hard-line stance toward Canadians facing the death penalty in other countries, they couldn't have predicted it would land them in the corner of a man accused of killing his wife in an argument over his mistress, and then of killing his four children - two-year-old twins, a four-year-old son and eight-year-old daughter - to cover up the first murder. But on Friday, when an Ohio prosecutor announced a five-count death-penalty indictment against former Montrealer Michel Veillette, the 34-year-old Canadian was instantly allied in his bid to avoid execution with Liberal Leader Stephane Dion, the NDP's Jack Layton and Bloc Quebecois chief Gilles Duceppe. The three leaders' avowed opposition to capital punishment - in all circumstances and in all places where Canadians face execution - now stands in dramatic contrast to Prime Minister Stephen Harper's new "case-by-case" approach to deciding when Canada will intervene to seek clemency for Canadians facing the death penalty outside of this country. "The law in the State of Ohio, where this crime was committed, is that we have the death penalty," Warren County Prosecutor Rachel Hutzel said last week, after revealing details of a grand jury's indictment against Veillette and her plan to vigorously pursue a death sentence for the accused Canadian. "He may have been a Canadian citizen, but he was here when he killed his wife and those four little kids," she alleged. Veillette, who had moved with his family to Mason, Ohio, has claimed that he stabbed his wife, Canadian citizen Nadya Ferrari, 33, in self-defence on Jan. 11 after she attacked him with a frying pan and a knife over his extramarital affair. He also claimed that she set their house on fire, a blaze that left all four of the couple's children - Marguerite, 8, Vincent, 4, and two-year-old twins, Jacob and Mia - dead from smoke inhalation. But Ohio investigators and Hutzel believe he planned to kill his wife and then deliberately set fire to the house in a bid to lay blame on Ferrari for all of the deaths. "We intend to bring Michel Veillette to justice for this horrible crime against this entire family," Hutzel told reporters during a news conference on Friday. "He killed his wife, then planned the killing of the children to cover it up." Veillette is charged with aggravated murder in the case, and the children's ages all but guaranteed that, under Ohio law, he will be facing the death penalty if convicted. Montreal-area MP Marlene Jennings, the deputy Liberal house leader, said Monday the severity of the allegations against Veillette won't alter her party's commitment to oppose capital punishment. If he's convicted and sentenced to death, she said, "the Canadian government has to step in and advocate for clemency. No civilized society should have the death penalty." Canada abolished capital punishment in 1976. And until Oct. 31, when the Harper government reversed long-standing federal policy on the issue, Canadians on death row in other countries could count on Canadian consular officials and political leaders to pressure foreign authorities to commute any death sentence to life imprisonment. The most high-profile appeal for clemency came in 1999, when Canada unsuccessfully lobbied then-Texas governor George W. Bush to spare the life of Alberta-born inmate Stanley Faulder, who had been convicted of the brutal slaying of an elderly woman in the state. He was executed by lethal injection despite a chorus of condemnation from Canadian political leaders and human rights advocates. The recent reversal of Canada's clemency policy was prompted by the case of Ronald Smith, a Red Deer, Alta., native who admitted murdering two Blackfoot Indian men during a drunken 1982 road trip to Montana. Smith initially requested the death penalty but later appealed the sentence. His legal fight to avoid execution - backed by Canada until last fall - is still before the U.S. courts. But after Canwest News Service reported in October that Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer was being pressured by Canadian officials to grant clemency to Smith, the Harper government decided it would halt efforts to help Smith or any other Canadian who ends up facing a death sentence in democratic countries, such as the U.S., where there has been a fair trial. That decision prompted an uproar in Parliament, with the three opposition partied united in denouncing what they called a tacit endorsement of capital punishment. The government has since scrapped its initial position that any Canadian on death row in any democratic country would be denied federal intervention. Instead, Justice Minister Rob Nicholson announced a "case-by-case" approach on the issue, but made clear that "mass" or "multiple" murderers such as Smith - precisely what Veillette is alleged to be - would get no help from the Harper government to avoid execution. However, that still leaves Veillette with Dion, Layton, Duceppe and their parties on his side - at least on the question of whether the computer engineer should be put to death if convicted of killing his family. Dion and Layton wrote directly to Schweitzer last fall to appeal for Smith's life, and Duceppe spearheaded a petition signed by all opposition MPs urging clemency for the Alberta man. Dion has been the most adamant of the opposition leaders that Canada should never stand silent if one of its citizens faces execution. He condemned capital punishment as "barbaric" in a recent interview with Canwest News Service, and has pledged to make the Conservatives' new clemency stance an election issue to highlight the Harper government's "hidden agenda" to revamp Canadian values if it achieves a House of Commons majority. The Liberals recently pushed a non-binding motion through the House demanding that the government return to a policy of seeking clemency in all cases. Dion has also argued that the Harper government's hands-off policy towards some Canadians on death row in the U.S. will inevitably undermine efforts to help condemned Canadians in non-democratic countries - such as Saudi Arabia, China or Ethiopia, where four other Canadians currently face possible death sentences. © Canwest News Service 2008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:22:01 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Freedom Remains Elusive for Journalist Freedom Remains Elusive for Journalist in Belarus Jailed For Printing Islamic Cartoons http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331188,00.html Tuesday, February 19, 2008 By Peter Byrne MINSK, Belarus - Freedom could be years away for Aleksandr Sdvizhkov, the Belarusian journalist sentenced to three years of hard labor for republishing cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad that sparked mass demonstrations and anti-Western violence across the Muslim world. Sdvizhkov is currently being held with no means of communication at the Belarusian Interior Ministry's transfer prison in Minsk, said Olexei Korol, co-founder of Zgoda (Consensus) newspaper, which published the cartoons. "No one is allowed to visit him," Korol said. Belarusian strongman President Aleksandr Lukashenko shut down Zgoda in March 2006 after Sdvizhkov decided to re-print the cartoons that portrayed the founder of Islam, including one showing the prophet, with a bomb in his turban. The 12 cartoons first appeared in the Danish Jyllands-Posten newspaper in 2005 and outraged Muslims who saw them as blasphemous. Last week Danish media republished the controversial images to show solidarity with the cartoonist, a day after police revealed an alleged plot to kill him. Islamic tradition prohibits images of Muhammad and other prophets. In January a Minsk court sentenced Sdvizhkov to three years of hard labor in a penal colony for his decision to reprint the cartoons. No one knows when the Belarusian Supreme Court will get around to hearing Sdvizhkov's appeal. Vitaly Taras, a member of the Union of Belarusian Writers, said in an interview that Sdvizhkov's punishment was excessive. "The case demonstrates to the whole world that European values, including the freedom of speech, have little value in Belarus," Taras said. The population of Belarus, formerly a Soviet republic, is overwhelmingly Orthodox Christian; only about 3 percent of the 9 million residents are Muslim. Lukashenko's oppressive, Soviet-style government has a history of quashing independent media, and it has close ties to Iran. "The authorities suddenly became very worried about the feelings of Belarusian Muslims," said Aleksandr Klaskovsky, a Minsk-based independent political analyst with Belarusian News. "Prior to the scandal, Belarusian authorities told everyone who would listen that Belarus was a Slavic, Russian Orthodox country, ignoring the country's true multicultural and religious reality." Taras said the government's crackdown on Zgoda sent a message to Muslims worldwide: "The Sdvizhkov case in Belarus can only please extremists from Hamas, and other Muslim radicals, who will be happy our authorities turned out to be on their side." Lukashenko, the nation's president, called the publication of the cartoons "a provocation against the state," and in 2006 the Belarusian General Prosecutor's Office opened a criminal investigation into the paper's decision to re-publish the cartoons. Sdvizhkov, who is a member of the Russian Orthodox Church, fled the country and wound up in a Russian Monastery while in exile and spent his time writing an erotic novel. "It's a terrific piece of work," said Aleksandr Abramovich, Sdvizhkov's lifelong friend and contributing editor to the Borisov News. He reviewed the manuscript when Sdvizhkov made a secret trip in July 2007 to his hometown of Borisov, a small city 31 miles northeast of Minsk. On Nov. 18, 2007, Belarusian Secret Service agents arrested Sdvizhkov in Borisov on charges of inciting religious hatred. The 49-year-old journalist had re-entered the country and traveled there to mark the 10th anniversary of his father's death. "His neighbors turned him in," said Abramovich. According to his close friends and colleagues, he's now getting little support from groups willing to work for his release. The Belarusian Association of Journalists, a non-governmental organization founded in 1995 to defend the rights of Belarusian journalists, discussed how best to assist their colleague. The group's deputy director, Andrey Bastunets said they had asked lawyer Maya Aleksandrovna to help Sdvizhkov appeal his sentence. Aleksandrovna said she last met with Sdvizhkov on Jan. 29 to help prepare his appeal. "I haven't seen him since," Aleksandrovna said, adding that prison authorities would allow her to see Sdvizhkov in person only after she was formally contracted to represent him. "That hasn't happened yet," she said. Appeals to the government from the Moscow-based Russian Orthodox Church to intercede on Sdvizhkov's behalf have also been ignored. A clerk at the Belarusian Supreme Court said that no date has been set to hear Sdvizhkov's appeal. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V11 #227 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:d.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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