Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, February 27 2008 Volume 11 : Number 243 In this issue: Letter to Globe (just sent) ... Re: Brno Rights of criminals & admissable evidence "One-year suspended sentence - more than 50 firearms at his house" Rural group targeted John Tory at convention; "Parliamentary Outdoors Caucus update/le Caucus parlementaire..." Ehnes appeal in the NWT Re: Now THIS is scary R. v. Buhrs 2007 ABPC 169 [CanLII] - FA s.12(6) Grandfathering Harrison Charter violation All in good fun? BARACK OBAMA Political shootout over gun crime Little Jimmy's at it again ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:46:57 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: Letter to Globe (just sent) ... Desperately seeking women ... (fwd) Dear Sir/Madame, I was intrigued by Marie-P. Poulin's letter, in which she posits "at least one-third of Liberal candidates running in the next election will be women. And this means running them in 'winnable' ridings". Indeed, it would be refreshing to see more of the feminine virtues in Parliament, but when the President of the Liberal Party of Canada then concludes "Whenever possible, candidates will follow the nomination process", she signifies that an essential part of the democratic process is viewed by the Liberal Party as a mere "guideline". I am put in mind of Boss Tweedy's cynical comment circa 1870 when he stated "The people can elect anyone they want. I control the nominations." Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:35:45 -0700 From: Bill Farion Subject: Re: Brno Hi, My Brno manual says the gun is only made to fire long rifle. Rem subsonic works fine. Neigbhors can not hear more than a pop! > >Many thanks to Mike. I realized I should have been more specific after I >hit send. FYI, my sweet shooting CZ bolt has a habit of wanting to push >two CB Longs into the chamber. Weird, hasn't ever done this with Long >Rifle. For some reason an upper Long cartridge occasionally overlaps the >rim of a lower cartridge, but not with Long Rifle. When the bolt moves >forward - two cartridges are carried forward. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:46:00 -0800 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Rights of criminals & admissable evidence This morning it was announced on TV that taped telephone evidence obtained without a warrant is inadmissable. It was done on an 'emergent' basis during a investigation that resulted in successful rescue of the victim and apprehension of the kidnappers. There is something inherently wrong where the rights of the accused carry more weight than those of victims. Non-criminals going about their daily business are subject to any number of searches, interrogations and video surveillance as a matter of course. We are all 'suspect' as evidenced by the current rush to enact 'pay first' laws at gas pumps. Gun owners are 'suspect' by virtue of that fact alone. We can all be locked down in Wal*Mart because some dip shit mother let little Farquhar get away from her and go for a whizz. The laws of admissable evidence are there to prevent police excess and protect the innocent. In the case where it becomes evident that someone is involved in a criminal act (i.e. transporting a quantity of cocaine), the ordinary laws would seem to be inadequate. Routine stops have frequently revealed more than the original reason for the interdiction - no licence, driving under prohibition, no insurance, impaired, etc. What's a cop to do? Turn a blind eye and let the guy go? 77 pounds of cocaine? I hope the guy serves every day (ha-ha-ha) of his 5 year sentence. Canada - country that mollycoddles it's criminals and persecutes it's non-criminal citizens. Want protection from the courts and 'rights' under the law? Become a criminal. Licence, permits, PALS, surveillance not required. TB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:46:12 -0700 From: Dennis & Hazel Young Subject: "One-year suspended sentence - more than 50 firearms at his house" Subject: "One-year suspended sentence: police found more than 50 firearms at his house" The Saskatoon StarPhoenix 2008.02.26 - PAGE: A8 Man pleads guilty to firearms charge http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/local/story.html?id=3f167f48-0ab5-4fc8-9f43-5b12dcaf06e3 A man pleaded guilty to a firearms charge Monday in connection with a massive police search of his home last September. George Wlasenko, 61, received a one-year suspended sentence after police found more than 50 firearms at his house, some of which were left loaded or improperly stored. The sentence means Wlasenko must stick to court-ordered conditions for the next year, or he could spend the rest of the sentence in jail. A judge also prohibited Wlasenko from owning a firearm for three years. On Sept. 10, police were called to a house at 510 First St. E. -- where Wlasenko lived with his parents -- on an unrelated matter. When officers were in the home, they noticed more than 50 firearms, some of which were not properly stored. Police also found a large amount of chemicals in one of the home's bedrooms, and called in a hazardous materials team to help out. It took the hazardous materials specialists several days to identify the chemicals, then package and dispose of them according to government regulations. The chemicals found in the Buena Vista house were not ones used to make drugs or explosives, a fire official has said. Wlasenko was arrested in September, and released a few days later after a psychological evaluation. He originally pleaded not guilty to several firearms charges and was scheduled to go to trial Monday, until he changed his plea to guilty. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:50:41 -0700 From: Dennis & Hazel Young Subject: Rural group targeted John Tory at convention; The Toronto Star 2008.02.26 PAGE: A15 Rural group targeted Tory at convention; Landowners association says it had 100 voters at leadership review http://www.thestar.com/article/306847 John Tory should look to a controversial rural rights group with close ties to one of his MPPs if he's lying awake at night wondering why his support at a weekend leadership review convention was lower than expected. Miffed that the Progressive Conservative leader wasn't on board with their concerns, members of the Ontario Landowners Association who had joined the PC party to become delegates at the London convention voted strongly in favour of ousting Tory. "Probably it would be fair to say more of us voted yes than no," said association president Jack MacLaren, a cattle and cash crop farmer living near Kinburn, west of Ottawa, calling Tory's brand of conservatism too "pink." The group's 19 chapters across the province had about 100 members at the convention, where Tory won 66.9 per cent support to keep his job - precipitating a crisis of confidence in the Tory camp. "There was a voting bloc there that was unanticipated for sure," said one Tory supporter who spoke on condition of anonymity. "For Tory to get a high vote was unrealistic given he lost his seat as an MPP and with the election result in October." The 66.9 per cent support was well below Tory tracking of delegates that showed him with support in the 70 per cent range. "If there'd been another 40 or so votes the other way, John would have been into the 70s," said veteran MPP Bob Runciman, the party's interim leader in the Legislature. Conservative MPP Randy Hiller from Lanark-Frontenac-Lennox and Addington is a former head of the landowners association, which is pushing for improved property rights and the scrapping of municipal amalgamations in the 1990s that saw rural clout reduced on local councils. Hiller couldn't be reached for comment yesterday but said at the convention he was keeping his vote on Tory's future private. The association has made news for sending pictures of a dead deer, nicknamed Leona after Agriculture Minister Leona Dombrowsky, to Queen's Park. MacLaren said the group has 15,000 members and went to the convention intent on airing its views in policy workshops and over drinks in hospitality suites. "I told my people, 'it's jacket-and-tie time, folks,'" MacLaren added. Tory supporters said other factors working against the leader included other dissident groups that were better organized and frustration over the long line- ups for voting at the convention, where balloting was supposed to last an hour but took four times that long. Tory was not available for comment yesterday but sent a letter to party members defending the much criticized four-hour lag between hearing the vote and deciding to stay in his job. "Some say it's 'indecisive' to listen and consult. But I disagree," wrote Tory, who asked party members to unite behind him. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:58:57 -0700 From: Dennis & Hazel Young Subject: "Parliamentary Outdoors Caucus update/le Caucus parlementaire..." A Parliamentary Outdoors Caucus update: There have been some changes in the Outdoors Caucus Advisory Committee (OCAC) membership and we would like to provide you with a brief business update. We have recently been made aware that there has been some concern expressed that some work of the Outdoors Caucus has been undertaken without consultation with grassroots organizations. Please rest assured that nothing could be further from the truth. Last April, at the request of the Outdoors Caucus executive, a widespread invitation was issued to various outdoors organizations across the country to submit names of representatives willing to volunteer as OCAC members. The names of all volunteers put forward by outdoors organizations were approved by the Outdoors Caucus and appointed to the Advisory Committee. Any suggestion that the process has been exclusive is mistaken and in conflict with the original purpose of the Outdoors Caucus vision and intent. The OC co-chairs want this to be very clear. Recent changes to the OCAC membership include the following: Bob Bailey from Delta Waterfowl is no longer a member Tony Bernardo from the Canadian Institute for Legislative Action and the Canadian Shooting Sports Association has been added Dr. Gary A. Mauser, Professor Emeritus from Simon Fraser University has been added We look forward to the guidance that Tony and Gary have to offer. The OCAC is fortunate to have access to their considerable expertise. An updated list of the OCAC is available at: www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2007_new/170.htm The OC is delighted that the proposed Canadian outdoors heritage foundation (working name) is moving forward. Peter Hayden, a corporate and commercial lawyer with Lang Michener, has produced the introductory documents that will establish the foundation. An OCAC sub-committee supported by the Outdoors Caucus has been established to work with Lang Michener to move forward. The creation of the foundation was unanimously supported by more than 50 Members of Parliament and Senators at an OC general meeting held December 4. This all-party support for Canada's outdoors heritage is unprecedented on Parliament Hill and we stress the importance of maintaining and utilizing the momentum that has been attained. The foundation is poised to become a pivotal not-for-profit organization that will provide valuable input and insight to parliamentarians now and in the future. You are invited to visit www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2008/876.htm to read Standing Order 31 tributes to the Outdoors Caucus in Parliament. A list of members of the OC who have given permission for their names to be publicly disclosed is available at: www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2006_new/50.htm Please let us know if you have any questions or comments on current or future OCAC business. Thanks once again for your support of our efforts to protect and promote the outdoors heritage activities of hunting, fishing, trapping and recreational shooting sports. Sincerely, Garry Breitkreuz, M.P. and Conservative Co-Chair of the Outdoors Caucus Larry Bagnell, M.P. and Liberal Co-Chair of the Outdoors Caucus _________________________________ Mise au point sur le Caucus parlementaire du plein air Comme il y a eu des changements au comité consultatif du Caucus du plein air (CPA), une mise au point nous a paru nécessaire. Nous avons appris récemment qu'on s'inquiétait de voir le Caucus du plein air entreprendre des travaux sans consulter les organisations de la base. Sachez que rien n'est plus faux. En avril dernier, à la demande de l'exécutif du Caucus du plein air, diverses organisations de plein air de partout au pays ont été invitées à présenter le nom d'un représentant disposé à siéger bénévolement au comité consultatif. Or le Caucus du plein air a approuvé et le comité consultatif a accepté dans ses rangs tous les bénévoles proposés. Il est donc faux de dire que le processus n'était pas ouvert et qu'il allait à l'encontre de l'esprit et de la mission du CPA. Les coprésidents du CPA tiennent à ce que cela soit bien clair. Voici les changements survenus récemment au sein du comité consultatif : départ de Bob Bailey de Delta Waterfowl arrivée de Tony Bernardo du Canadian Institute for Legislative Action et de la Canadian Shooting Sports Association arrivée de Gary A. Mauser, professeur émérite à l'Université Simon Fraser Nous misons fort sur les avis et conseils de Tony et de Gary. C'est une chance pour le comité consultatif de pouvoir compter sur leur expertise. La liste de ses membres est affichée sur www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2007_new/170.htm Le CPA est enchanté de la mise en train du projet de création d'une fondation canadienne du patrimoine de plein air. Peter Hayden, avocat d'entreprise spécialisé en droit commercial chez Lang Michener, a produit les documents nécessaires à l'établissement de la fondation. Le comité consultatif a chargé un sous-comité de collaborer avec Lang Michener en ce sens. La création de la fondation a été approuvée à l'unanimité par les plus de 50 députés et sénateurs présents à l'assemblée générale du CPA le 4 décembre. Comme cet appui pluripartite est sans précédent sur la Colline du Parlement, il convient d'en tirer parti au maximum. La fondation a le potentiel de devenir une organisation sans but lucratif capable de fournir aux parlementaires avis, conseils et idées. Rendez-vous sur www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2008/876.htm lire les déclarations de l'article 31 du Règlement prononcées en hommage au CPA au Parlement. La liste des membres du CPA qui ont accepté que leur nom soit communiqué au public se trouve sur www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/2006_new/50.htm N'hésitez pas à nous faire part de vos questions ou commentaires sur les affaires actuelles ou futures du comité consultatif du CPA. Nous vous remercions de votre contribution à nos efforts pour protéger et promouvoir les activités de plein air traditionnelles que sont la chasse, la pêche, le trappage et le tir sportif. Salutations cordiales, Garry Breitkreuz, député et coprésident conservateur du Caucus du plein air Larry Bagnell, député et coprésident libéral du Caucus du plein air ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:04:05 -0700 From: "Richard A. Fritze" Subject: Ehnes appeal in the NWT Has anyone got an update on the Ehnes appeal matter in the NWT? I just checked it on www.canlii.org . The original decision is here: http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?language=en&searchTitle=Northwest+ Territories&path=/en/nt/nttc/doc/2007/2007nwttc4/2007nwttc4.html It has been cited three times that I am aware of, once in BC, twice in Alberta [none favourably] as follow: 1. Citation: Dimitropoulos v. Her Majesty The Queen 2007 BCPC 0154 http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?language=en&searchTitle=2007+NWTTC +4+%28CanLII%29&origin=%2Fen%2Fnt%2Fnttc%2Fdoc%2F2007%2F2007nwttc4%2F2007nwt tc4.html&translatedOrigin=%24doc.getTranslatedKey%28%29&path=/en/bc/bcpc/doc /2007/2007bcpc154/2007bcpc154.html 2. Citation: R. v. O'Blenes, 2007 ABPC 183 http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?language=en&searchTitle=2007+NWTTC +4+%28CanLII%29&origin=%2Fen%2Fnt%2Fnttc%2Fdoc%2F2007%2F2007nwttc4%2F2007nwt tc4.html&translatedOrigin=%24doc.getTranslatedKey%28%29&path=/en/ab/abpc/doc /2007/2007abpc183/2007abpc183.html 3. Citation: R. v. Buhrs, 2007 ABPC 169 http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?language=en&searchTitle=2007+NWTTC +4+%28CanLII%29&origin=%2Fen%2Fnt%2Fnttc%2Fdoc%2F2007%2F2007nwttc4%2F2007nwt tc4.html&translatedOrigin=%24doc.getTranslatedKey%28%29&path=/en/ab/abpc/doc /2007/2007abpc169/2007abpc169.html Richard Fritze ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:59:10 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Now THIS is scary - ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" To: "CFD" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:48 AM Subject: Now THIS is scary > http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/02/25/4875785-cp.html > > The fools in the USA have created a worship cult nationwide with Obama > as their messiah. > > They are repeating the mistake the Germans made in the 20's and early > 30s: They are allowing a candidate's charisma to be his sole qualifying > characteristic for leadership. > > It didn't work out then, and unless Obama has more to him than his > used-car-salesman slick grin, the USA is in big trouble. > > Oh, and did I mention that he wants to disarm the American citizenry? > > http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm > > Of course when he says "Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of > semi-automatic weapons", he means ONLY to civilians. The State will keep > its machine guns, the better to mow the civilians down with. History has > amply shown this to be true. > > -- > M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) > Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS > Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. > Sherbrooke, NS > Canada B0J 3C0 > 902-522-2172 > > mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca > > "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". > In my considered opinion? the presidentail race will be between Obama and Mc Lain McLain will get the support of gun-owners across America, Obama will get all the antis . In my opinion ? its a 50-50 chance who will win. ed/ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:26:24 -0700 From: "Richard A. Fritze" Subject: R. v. Buhrs 2007 ABPC 169 [CanLII] - FA s.12(6) Grandfathering In para 31 of the Buhrs decision the Judge lists some of the things that can be done if caught in the Catch-22 relating to Bill C-10A. Other options can be found in the Criminal Code, s.106 which reads: 106. (1) Every person commits an offence who (a) after destroying any firearm, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition, or (b) on becoming aware of the destruction of any firearm, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition that was in the person's possession before its destruction, does not with reasonable despatch report the destruction to a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer. [ . . . ] See also s.107: 107. (1) Every person commits an offence who knowingly makes, before a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer, a false report or statement concerning the loss, theft or destruction of a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device, any prohibited ammunition, an authorization, a licence or a registration certificate. [ . . . ] Richard A. Fritze Barrister & Solicitor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:11:29 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Harrison Charter violation Re CFD items: Thank goodness for liberal judges!! Slippery slope in court ruling > http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/304099 Feb 18, 2008 04:30 AM When does credible evidence of a serious crime become so tainted by police misconduct that it should be tossed out of court? And: Police efficiency isn't everything By EDWARD GREENSPAN Toronto Sun Feb 25, 2008 > http://www.torontosun.com/Comment/2008/02/25/4874418-sun.html In 2004, an Ontario police officer noticed a car driving without a front licence plate, which is a traffic offence. But when he saw an Alberta plate on the rear of the car, he realized this was permitted in Alberta, and so it was not even a traffic offence in Ontario. But he had already put on his flashing lights and so, what the heck, he still stopped the car knowing he had absolutely no legal reason to do so. For the Court of Appeal case see: > http://www.canlii.org/en/on/onca/doc/2008/2008onca85/2008onca85.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:48:44 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: All in good fun? How about a parody? Parody - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A parody, in contemporary usage, is a work created to mock, comment on, or poke fun at an original work, its subject, or author, by means of humorous or ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody - -------------------- OFAH.org - Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters The Ontario Federation of Anglers & Hunters is Canada's leading conservation organization. The OFAH is a non-profit, registered charity, dedicated to ... www.ofah.org/ - -------------------- only fools and horses : Only Fools and Horses Only fools and horses comedy website is run by the fans of only fools and horses sitcom. OFAH was voted as the top UK sitcom ever. the appreciation society ... www.ofah.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:12:57 -0700 From: "Bob Lickacz" Subject: BARACK OBAMA - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:48:38 -0400 > From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" > Subject: Now THIS is scary > > http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/02/25/4875785-cp.html > > The fools in the USA have created a worship cult nationwide with Obama > as their messiah. > > I don't think there is too much to worry about Obama. He is, apparently, to the left of Ms. Clinton, on the issue of firearms. I think it will be interesting to watch how Ms. (I'll do ANYTHING to be president) Clinton, will use this to her advantage. Ms. Clinton has been quoted as saying she shot a duck. It was a single duck. She didn't say how many shots it took her. Wow, how I wished the NFA had the organization and power that the NRA, our southern brothers and sister-in-arms, has. From what I understand the NRA has four million members, or roughly 1%, of the population. From the material I get from the NRA, most of those four million people are very active, politically. If only..................... Bob Lickacz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:26:57 -0800 (PST) From: Vladyslav Strashko Subject: Political shootout over gun crime RE: http://www.metronews.ca/story.aspx?id=107806&searchtype=1&fragment=False My letter to the editor: Isn’t that funny that Liberal public safety critic accuses the Tories of over-reacting to the gun violence problem and “persuade” the public that we face gun violence crisis? The same Liberal party that calls for handgun and semi-auto firearm bans from law abiding citizens claiming that somehow it will solve the crisis that apparently now doesn’t exist. The legal gun owners are the same people like you and me, people who want to see criminals off the street and who want to see gun violence eliminated. However, when it comes down to putting criminals in jail, Liberal party opposes this, but quickly shift blame on innocent hunters and target shooters for the acts of criminals… On what side are they anyway? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:59:45 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Little Jimmy's at it again Something for everyone in budget > http://www.torontosun.com/News/2008/02/26/4878221-sun.html The budget also pumps $500 million into public transit infrastructure, hands $400 million to provinces and territories to recruit 2,500 police officers, and provides $250 million for the new Automotive Innovation Fund to develop green, fuel-efficient vehicles. There’s also $122 million to retrofit federal prisons and install new security measures to halt the flow of drugs inside. [The gov't must stop this mega dollar campaign to add police officers. Once the federal/provincial incentives are spent local taxpayers and municipal gov'ts are left to pick up the tab - and police budgets are an increasing embarrassment for local gov't]. But Williamson reserved judgment on the effectiveness of the overall plan. Pointing to a 14% hike in federal spending in the last two years, he said Flaherty must tighten the public purse strings. [Pundits accused the Libs of being tax-and-spend politicians. Now we see the Ontario Harris-Flaherty model of cut-taxes-and-spend at the federal level. Will the federal balance sheet also tilt]? I did note that Flaherty not only used his footstool to compensate for his vertical challenge but was duly surrounded by the best lookin' women on the gov't side. Yeah Rona and Cheryl. 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