Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, March 13 2008 Volume 11 : Number 274 In this issue: Assault with a weapon -- a stolen vehicle. Border agents seize guns from mail Mountie pleads guilty to assaulting his wife-conditional discharge Folks in Ottawa should reflect on this Vehicles as Weapons Need for safer streets knows no boundaries Re: Dennis Young returns Fantino - Friends in high places? Washington D.C. - Police Seek Consent To Search for Guns our firearms, outdoors and property rights ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, March 13, 2008 9:54 am From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" Subject: Assault with a weapon -- a stolen vehicle. PUBLICATION: The Winnipeg Sun DATE: 2008.03.13 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 3 BYLINE: ROSS ROMANIUK, SUN MEDIA WORD COUNT: 365 - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Run-down suspects held Officer fired at car as driver tried to hit him - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Police have arrested two teenage boys in a recent attempted run-down of a city cop at Polo Park Shopping Centre, and have charged one of them with assault with a weapon -- a stolen vehicle. A 16-year-old faces that and several other charges after Winnipeg cops arrested him Tuesday following the Feb. 25 incident, in which an officer fired his service firearm at the car -- a two-door Pontiac Grand Am GT -- in self-defence in the mall's west parking lot near The Bay. The incident came as several cops had converged on the parking lot to try to apprehend a couple of suspects trying to steal a vehicle. That's when the Grand Am, allegedly with the 16-year-old boy behind the wheel, was driven at one officer. 'SIGNIFICANT ARREST' The cop jumped out of the way and was not injured. "It's a significant arrest -- knowing that we've been able to apprehend these youths, they're off the street and it's not going to happen again," Const. Blair Good said yesterday. "We take these types of things very seriously. They are going to be followed up. People will be held accountable for their actions." But the head of a city police union pointed out nine such "lethal force encounters" have occurred among his members -- some in which they've been on the intended receiving end of gunshots -- in less than a year. And Loren Schinkel questioned the way in which justice officials deal with them. "I can't overstate the seriousness of these types of incidents," said Schinkel, president of the Winnipeg Police Association. "We need the appropriate deterrents and accountability to be meted out by the court system. We'll see if that does occur here." The alleged driver -- who as a youth can't be named publicly -- is also charged with assaulting a peace officer, fleeing police and possessing property obtained by crime, as well as other offences. The alleged passenger, 17, faces theft-related charges. SEVERAL ATTEMPTS The Polo Park incident was one of several such alleged attempts by suspects to hit officers with vehicles in Winnipeg in recent months. A 34-year-old man, who was fired at by police last Saturday, was later arrested after trying to run down an officer with a car in the North End. On Feb. 5, two males allegedly used a stolen pickup truck to ram an unmarked police vehicle with two officers inside. Last November, officers shot at drivers of two stolen vehicles which had allegedly rammed their cars during separate incidents within an eight-hour span. "At the end of the day, I'm just praying that luck doesn't run out for one of our front-line members -- or for a member of the general public," Schinkel said. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, March 13, 2008 9:58 am From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" Subject: Border agents seize guns from mail PUBLICATION: The Province DATE: 2008.03.13 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A14 SOURCE: Canwest News Service WORD COUNT: 89 - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Border agents seize guns from mail - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Canada Border Services Agency has seized 330 guns and gun parts from mail at Canada Post's international mail centre in Vancouver since April. Mike Hrysiuk, the agency's chief of operations at the centre, said the items included machine guns, prohibited handguns, replicas and silencers - -- but some of them may be legit. He said people such as movie prop masters and gun-store owners can obtain permits to import guns through the mail. Border agents use x-rays and other methods to locate firearms in the mail. Some of the guns have been linked to organized crime, including the drug trade, he said. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, March 13, 2008 10:12 am From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" Subject: Mountie pleads guilty to assaulting his wife-conditional discharge PUBLICATION: The Calgary Sun DATE: 2008.03.13 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 26 BYLINE: TAMAS VIRAG, CP DATELINE: GRANDE PRAIRIE WORD COUNT: 264 - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mountie pleads guilty to assault Officer discharged for abusing wife - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Grande Prairie Mountie has been given a conditional discharge after pleading guilty to assaulting his wife and possessing a weapon dangerous to the public peace. Provincial court was told yesterday that Const. Richard James Davis was charged in early 2007 after his "traumatized" wife complained to police her husband had been physically and mentally abusing her since the summer of 2006. Outside court, Crown prosecutor Murray McPherson explained that in the middle of one session of abuse, Davis pulled out his RCMP-issued handgun and pointed it at himself. Davis had originally also been charged with criminal harassment and uttering threats, but those charges were dropped yesterday. Court was told Davis has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and has gone to great lengths to deal with the illness. McPherson said Davis put his wife through "serious abuse," but added that sending him to prison or giving him house arrest "would not do justice." McPherson repeatedly praised the efforts of the RCMP, calling their investigation into the matter "proper and thorough" and adding that Davis was asked to turn in his firearm when he was arrested. Judge Jim Watson was told that both McPherson and defence lawyer Rod Gregory were recommending the conditional discharge, which will let the officer walk away with no criminal record if he abides by the conditions of probation for 15 months. Watson said the fact Davis assaulted a spouse is an aggravating factor, but said his lack of criminal record and "early recognition of the problem" worked in his favour. Davis must receive counselling and will be banned from consuming alcohol for the length of the probation. He also is not allowed to possess firearms for the next five years, unless given written permission by the RCMP. The couple has five children between the ages of five and 19. Davis, who joined the RCMP in 2001, has been on paid leave. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:17:01 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Folks in Ottawa should reflect on this > As Henry Kissinger once said, "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac." When > people become "drunk with power," they feel untouchable, unstoppable, and > all-powerful. This experience is enhanced by the fact that others react more > deferentially to those with power. But this does not go both ways. > > When it comes to relating to other people, powerful persons have proven > themselves worse at judging others' reactions than your average Joe. > Research has further found them less able to accurately read others' verbal > and facial cues. They also tend to be oblivious to what others think, and > more likely to misjudge the impression they're making on others. Very well stated!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:31:30 -0700 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Vehicles as Weapons Along with illegal handguns and knives, we now have a rash of crime using a new 'weapon of choice', one already licenced and regulated up the Wazoo (that's a tributary of Shit Creek). In the wee small hours this am, three young men got into a dispute with a motorist at an intersection in the Vancouver area. Push came to shove and they were rammed by the driver of the other vehicle, who then fled the scene. I believe that one of the trio was killed. Prior to that, an elderly man walking his dog was killed in Vernon by a hit & run. Who needs guns? Several thousand pounds of steel powered by a high performance engine makes a 'magnum force' weapon by any standards. TB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, March 13, 2008 10:34 am From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" Subject: Need for safer streets knows no boundaries PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2008.03.13 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 18 BYLINE: CHRISTINA SPENCER, NATIONAL BUREAU WORD COUNT: 307 - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Need for safer streets knows no boundaries - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Although they feel safer here than in their countries of origin, recent immigrants fear crime in Canada is increasing, and they're particularly alarmed about youth violence, guns and drugs. They also believe sentencing is too lenient, according to focus group surveys done for the federal Justice Department. The focus sessions showed that among recently arrived ethnic populations, "all feel that the nature of crime is shifting to more gun and violent crime, committed by younger people," concluded the Antima Research Group, which conducted six meetings with groups in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver in 2007. Youth crime particularly worried these new Canadians, in part because many are very strict with their children and think lack of discipline in other families is linked to crime. "While they do not simplistically think that leniency toward children in Canada causes youth crime, they do sincerely feel that it is a contributing factor," says the Antima study. EASY TO BUY A GUN Recent immigrants are also worried about how comparatively easy it is to obtain a gun in Canada compared to their home countries. "One particular quote -- 'I can buy a gun at Wal-Mart' -- is very illustrative of participants' concerns ... all groups perceive the prevalence of gun crime and gun violence to be higher in Canada and getting worse (if no corrective policy or enforcement measures are taken)." Many participants admitted they weren't well informed on crime trends. In fact, recent Statistics Canada figures show the overall rate of violent crime with guns has been stable for several years. The firearms-related homicide rate for 2006 was 0.6 per 100,000 whereas three decades ago it was almost double that. The use of guns by young offenders has been increasing, however. According to the focus-group study, new Chinese-Canadians were particularly alarmed about drugs in this country. "To these participants, the (perceived) prevalence of drugs appears completely unthinkable, as their frame of reference in China is a zero-tolerance drug policy with the death penalty even for possession of a certain amount," the study noted. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:06:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark L Horstead Subject: Re: Dennis Young returns - --- "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" wrote: > > TO ALL LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS AND OUTDOORS > ENTHUSIASTS > > Garry Breitkreuz, M.P. is pleased to announce that > Dennis Young has > recovered sufficiently from his initial cancer > surgery and chemotherapy > treatments to come back to work on a part-time > basis. Excellent. Not too much good news lately, and here we have two pieces in one. Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:22:08 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Fantino - Friends in high places? Fantino would have been a Bud of the Strangler My good colleague, Len, knows that this is all in good pun. > In defence of Julian Fantino . . > (some seem to have forgotten his take on gun registration) You're no doubt referring to his more recent stance when as Chief of Tronna's finest, thwarted by his Police Services Board over some issue, (Millers lefties drove him nuts) he acknowledged that the long gun registry was a waste, a flop and a frivolous exercise. I wish he'd also acknowledged that it was an unacceptable infringement of honest citizens Charter Rights. (You'll recall he was coming to the 'End' of his second career with Metro and was undoubtedly looking to tick off Mayor Miller's NDP friends). You may recall that he never admitted that the 74-year old handgun registry was as much of a dud. (But then, Harper, Day and company also plead the 5th on this issue). You should have heard Jay Hill strangling over a response to this issue at a local CPC riding fund raiser. You may recall that when C-68 was being considered, Fantino, as a Honcho with the Can. Assoc. of Chiefs of Police went to Ottawa to advise Rock's Justice Committee that the RFC was totally out to lunch with its irrational protest. He claimed then that the proposed FA was a police officer's best friend and the most progressive crime fighting legislation since Swiss Cheese. (I've got a copy of the CACP paper). > gets my standing applause for stopping a dangerous driver . . > Fantino, is a police officer first . . don't you forget that > he didn't. > Had he NOT done that, and the driver had gone on > to kill someone doddering old fool driving at the proper speed > and you knew HE knew . . The northbound lanes of the 400 would have been as vacant as a taxi strip on an aircraft carrier in a gale at 7:30 a.m. I pray the doddering ole bugger is in the "slow vehicles keep right' lane. As it was stated in the news releases, Fantino did the glory bit while another 'working' police officer on patrol and also on scene wrote the paper. I suspect he competing with Cam Woolley for 'air' time. See: CAM WOOLLEY From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Sergeant Cam Woolley (born January 24, 1957) is a police officer with the Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) in the Greater Toronto Area. Formerly known as the "face of the OPP"[1], Woolley is a 29 year veteran of the force. He has been regularly seen in the media since 2000,[2] mainly in regards to cheese blintzes during long weekends on Highway 400 and major accidents.[3] Woolley was recently named OPP Officer of the Year. In January 2007, there were reports that he was being courted by the Progressive Conservative party to run as a candidate in the 2007 Ontario Provincial Election. Woolley said he was considering the offer. The Schomberg resident owns a company with his friend Bradley Patterson, an actor and firefighter, which provides emergency and military vehicles for movie shoots in Canada including 16 Blocks, Exit Wounds and Angel Eyes. Woolley most recently appeared as an "Expert" on the Discovery Channel Canada reality series, Dude, Where's My Car? [Another busy boy]. > You would be the first to slam him. > No, OPP Commissioner Fantino gets my full support, > HE gets a dinner . . ! ! ! Sure enough. I'd buy him a coffee too. At least he's come 'part way' round to our side. But he'll never pass on 'licenses' for gun owners and concealed carry is not in his vision of Ontario. In fact I'd suspect he'd support a ban on handguns. He's very old country, i.e. Italy. Heck, he even countenances his CFO's harassment of Grumpy Old Men who own guns in Toronto. I rec'd his book, "Duty, The Life of a Cop," as a Christmas present. Some very interesting views on many things. Like Chretien, he does admit to not being adverse to 'manhandling' citizens who disagree with him. FYI Fantino also considered a Conservative bid to replace the late MPP Al Paladini several years back. He was also sought by the CPC. I'll bet Fantino's in a total snit over McGuinty only giving him a 1-year extension on his contract as Commish. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:34:48 -0600 From: Dennis & Hazel Young Subject: Washington D.C. - Police Seek Consent To Search for Guns The Washington Post 2008.03.13 - PAGE: B01 By Allison Klein D.C. Seeks Consent To Search for Guns ; Amnesty Offered for Access to Homes http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/NewsSearch?sb=-1&st=amnesty& D.C. police are so eager to get guns out of the city that they're offering amnesty to people who allow officers to come into their homes and get the weapons. Mayor Adrian M. Fenty and Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier announced yesterday the Safe Homes Initiative, aimed at parents and guardians who know or suspect that their children or other relatives have guns. Under the deal, police target areas hit by violence and seek adults who let them search their homes for guns, with no risk of arrest. The offer also applies to drugs that turn up during the searches, police said. The program is scheduled to start March 24 in the Washington Highlands area of Southeast Washington. Officers will go door-to-door seeking permission to search homes for weapons. Police later plan to visit other areas, including sections of Columbia Heights in Northwest and Eckington in Northeast. "If we come across illegal contraband, we will confiscate it," Lanier said. "But amnesty means amnesty. We're trying to get guns and drugs off the street." Fenty (D) and Lanier announced the plan as part of a new strategy to deal with the prevalence of firearms in a city that has one of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. The Supreme Court will hear arguments next week in a case challenging the constitutionality of the D.C. law. Residents who agree to the searches will be asked to sign consent forms. If guns are found, they will be tested to determine whether they were used in crimes. If the results are positive, police will launch investigations, which could lead to charges. Boston police are embarking on a similar program this month. Police in that city have been meeting with residents before the door-to-door effort begins. Philadelphia police are considering such an initiative. Ronald Hampton, executive director of the National Black Police Association, questioned the Washington effort. As a lifelong D.C. resident and a former police officer, he said, he would not consent to his house being searched. "They haven't earned that level of access or respect from the community," Hampton said. "I just can't believe they're trying to do that. I've never heard of anything like that in my life." Arthur B. Spitzer, legal director of the Washington office of the American Civil Liberties Union, said the program is "a very bad idea." He said officers might act so aggressively that residents feel coerced into letting them in. "It sends the message to the public that the police ought to be able to search your house anytime for any reason," Spitzer said. "People will be intimidated. That cheapens civil liberties and privacy for everyone." At a news conference, Fenty and Lanier also said police will host monthly meetings with other law enforcement agencies to identify trends in gun-related crimes and to facilitate information sharing. The goal is to identify repeat offenders and find new ways to stop them, Lanier said. "It should give us a much clearer picture of how to coordinate our efforts," she said. Police also announced the creation of an anonymous hotline for people to call with information about crimes. The line, 888-919-CRIME, is staffed by detectives. In the coming weeks, the department is planning to set up a system through which the public can send tips as text messages. "We want to make sure the community has every means necessary to get in touch with us," Lanier said. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:13:01 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: our firearms, outdoors and property rights Date: Thu, March 13, 2008 7:25 am From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Dennis Young returns TO ALL LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS AND OUTDOORS ENTHUSIASTS Dennis will be assigned to our firearms, outdoors and property rights files. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does that mean the Conservative Party along with the PM and his inner circle of advisors recognize: 1. our firearms rights; the right to "have arms for their defence" an acknowledgement that Canadian individual firearm rights were gained in article 7 of the English Bill of Rights of 1689, the auxillary right to "have arms for their defence" as referred to in Blackstone's Commentaries of the Laws of England (1765-1769), this right is then legally threaded through the Preamble to the British North America Act of 1867, through in the Canadian Bill of Rights of 1960, and safely contained within the Constitution Acts of 1867 to1982, using section 26 and as upheld in Montagues' v. Regina in 2007. The same firearm rights referred to in "The Conservative Party Policy - March 2005 Firearms Policy A Conservative Government will repeal Canada's costly gun registry legislation and work with the provinces and territories on cost-effective gun control programs designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals while respecting the rights of law-abiding Canadians to own and use firearms responsibly. Measures will include: mandatory minimum sentences for the criminal use of firearms; strict monitoring of high-risk individuals; crackdown on the smuggling; safe storage provisions; firearms safety training; a certification screening system for all those wishing to acquire firearms legally; and putting more law enforcement officers on our streets." Note: No mention is made of a firearms owner licensing scheme for firearms possession as in Day's C-21 and now C-24. 2. our oudoors rights; as an acknowledgement of our historically rich Canadian Culture and Heritage) 3. our individual property rights; an acknowledgement of our individual property rights which Canadians' gained in the Magna Carta of 1215, through the English Bill of Rights of 1689, through Locke's Second Treaties' (1690), through Blackstone's Commentaries of the Laws of England (1765-1769), but, but, but, were illegally suppressed by Queen Victoria in 1867 in section 92 (13) of British North America Act. Individual property rights are still suppressed by the government of the day using the BNA Act. Canadians have always been enslaved to their government since enactment of the BNA Act of 1867, the birth year of the nation. Unfortunately, most Canadians fail to recognize their own tyranny. The Conservative Party of Canada is founded on and will be guided in its policy formation by principles. One of these principles is "2.1.11.3 the right to own property." Property Rights Policy i) A Conservative Government will seek the agreement of the provinces to amend the Constitution to include this right, as well as guarantee that no person shall be deprived of their just right without the due process of law and full, just, and timely compensation. ii) A Conservative Government will enact legislation to ensure that full, just and timely compensation will be paid to all persons who are deprived of personal or private property as a result of any federal government initiative, policy, process, regulation or legislation. Mr. Stockwell Day's proposed legislation "C-24" contains a firearms owner licensing scheme which in effect removes "seizes" private property from law-abiding Canadian firearms owners who fail to license themselves. This is a civil property rights infringement, a firearms right infringement and an infringement upon our Canadian culture and heritage in addition to an infringement of one of the Conservative Party's own founding principles; the right to own property. What does it really mean? Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V11 #274 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:d.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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