Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, March 23 2008 Volume 11 : Number 290 In this issue: Ontario on the warpath Re: machine gun Re: Ontario on the warpath Food for thought .... Re: Self-defence proven; Man stabbed armed home invader Re: Self-defence proven, Man stabbed armed home invader Camera Control Six-word memoirs of our political leaders Kanukistani Just-Us; not a gun story Nurse who made a citizen's arrest _avoids jail in killing RE: Camera Control Help Firearms and weapons + (CCRA) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:34:58 -0400 From: Subject: Ontario on the warpath With Harper throwing cold water on Mc Gunty's demand for a handgun ban, the Province of Ontario specifically the CFO office is being told to stick to the letter of the law. This has resulted in 8 out of ten ranges being closed, and this is the tip of the iceberg. Mc Guinty is so incensed as to have his enforcers" oput the screw to many firearms merchants. No longer will ammunition be able to be displayed, firearms are being checked and rechecked to see if they are registered. If this small minded Lioberal permierre is willing to stick it to gun clubs and gun shops, how much longer will it be before he sticks it to gun owners. If you do nothing ever again, you need to write Mc Gunity and tell him where to get off. Our vocies thus far have been ignored because we are fractured. Your guns are on the line, you lose them when you take no action. If you havent written a letter told someone about what is going on, then you are freeloading off those of us who do write, beat the drums and continue to beat the drums. If you want sucess, you need to continuously beat the drums to get our point of view out. If Mc Gunity thinks he can get a free ride from gun owners, he will make life more difficult for us. Take action today. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:00:57 -0600 From: Bill Farion Subject: Re: machine gun Hi, So how many men are on a .30 cal machine gun crew? And how is the ammo supplied? Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:54:08 -0500 From: Keith Subject: Re: Ontario on the warpath Please advise what ranges have been closed in Ontario since the Lieberals came to power. Thank you Keith ross.j@rogers.com wrote: >With Harper throwing cold water on Mc Gunty's demand for a handgun ban, the >Province of Ontario specifically the CFO office is being told to stick to >the letter of the law. This has resulted in 8 out of ten ranges being >closed, and this is the tip of the iceberg. Mc Guinty is so incensed as to >have his enforcers" oput the screw to many firearms merchants. No longer >will ammunition be able to be displayed, firearms are being checked and >rechecked to see if they are registered. > >If this small minded Lioberal permierre is willing to stick it to gun clubs >and gun shops, how much longer will it be before he sticks it to gun owners. >If you do nothing ever again, you need to write Mc Gunity and tell him where >to get off. > >Our vocies thus far have been ignored because we are fractured. Your guns >are on the line, you lose them when you take no action. If you havent >written a letter told someone about what is going on, then you are >freeloading off those of us who do write, beat the drums and continue to >beat the drums. If you want sucess, you need to continuously beat the drums >to get our point of view out. If Mc Gunity thinks he can get a free ride >from gun owners, he will make life more difficult for us. > >Take action today. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:55:23 -0700 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Food for thought .... "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms .... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes." Thomas Jeferson - 1775 "A system of licncing and registration is the perfect device to deny guns to the bourgeoisie." Vladimir Ilyich Lenin - 1917 "Gun control is one of the few things in life where it's utter failure demands more of it." Anonymous Hitler is recorded as saying something similar, and we know where that led ..... How is it that the simple truth and logic of these statements does not overwhelm and silence the likes of Wendy and her ilk? The lesson of history is there for all to see, right up to the present day - South Africa, Britain and Australia being prime examples of the failure of gun control. In any debate, these simple statements need to be put before our anti-gunners, including in the House of Commons. The fact that this is not being done proves that 'gun control' is merely a political football that keeps bureaucrats, politicians, police, judiciary and Wendy & Co. in business. History, logic, reason and common sense have nothing to do with it. It's the system, stupid. TB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:39:53 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Self-defence proven; Man stabbed armed home invader - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:38 AM Subject: Self-defence proven; Man stabbed armed home invader > PUBLICATION: The Toronto Star > DATE: 2008.03.21 > EDITION: Ont > SECTION: News > PAGE: A07 > BYLINE: Peter Small > SOURCE: Toronto Star > WORD COUNT: 294 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Murder charge dropped after self-defence proven; Man stabbed armed home > invader to protect himself and his brother > > "This was a clear case of self defence." Sederoff said outside court. "If > someone comes into your house with a gun, you are allowed to use a knife > to protect yourself. That's what the law says." Does this mean that you can't use a gun if someone comes into your house armed with a gun ? ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:52:54 -0400 From: "Gary Ramsey" Subject: Re: Self-defence proven, Man stabbed armed home invader >"This was a clear case of self defence." Sederoff said outside court. "If >someone comes into your house with a gun, you are allowed to use a knife >to protect yourself. That's what the law says." What would the outcome have been had Rodney Anderson used a firearm to defend himself and his brother? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:53:33 -0300 From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Camera Control From http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=264469 > *Made a lot of headway with an anti friend with this* > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Maybe this belongs in general, feel free to move it if so, I felt it > was more political. > > My friend is a photography buff. She's very good at it. Taken classes > on it and isn't pro but easily qualified to go pro. Anyway after > getting no where for a long time I made this example to her. But it > could work with anyone. Who doesn't own a camera? > > Gun Owners = Murderers like Photographers = Child Porn Producers(CPP). > I asked her how she would like to live in this world. > > You must have a state issued licence to own or purchase any camera or > film. It will be issued by your local police chief and they can reject > your application for any reason they choose. They can reject all > applications if they so choose.(may issue) > > You must pass a background check every time you want to buy a camera. > > You must register all your cameras with the state. > > Camera stores must have licences issued by the federal government to > sell cameras. > > All your photos must have copies sent to and registered with the > Bureau of Photography. So they can approve them as not being > inappropriate. BATFEP perhaps? > > All your photos must display the serial number of the camera on the > photo for the purposes of tracing them back to your camera. > > You may not bring cameras into schools as children are there and it's > assumed you would be taking inappropriate pictures of them. > > You may not bring cameras into courthouses as it's assumed you would > be taking pictures of witnesses there for the purpose of identifying > them for intimidation or retaliation. > > Telephoto lenses over a certain power are banned as they are only good > for long distance secret inappropriate pictures of children. > > "Evil Black Cameras"(solid black cameras) are banned as they are only > used in concealment of your activity in taking inappropriate pictures > of children. > > Cameras that take more that one picture per press of the shutter > button are banned as they have no purpose except to take multiple > inappropriate photos in rapid succession. > > Rolls of film of more than 10 exposures are banned as they could only > be for taking many inappropriate pictures in short time without having > to reload the camera. > > Camera phones or inexpensive cameras under a certain size would be > referred to as "up-skirt specials" and be banned as they have no good > use. Even if they are all that the poorest of people can afford. > > Your cameras must be stored inside a locking container or equipped > with a disabling device, approved by the state, to prevent > unauthorized individuals from operating it. > > A lost or stolen camera must be reported to the police within 24 hours > or you will be fined or imprisoned even if you are thousands of miles > away on vacation and are completely unaware of the theft. > > Camera dealers are not allowed to sell or transfer ownership of any > camera not approved by the state.(CA & MA) As a result there are > brands you will never be able to buy and the ones you can will take up > to a year for a new model to be approved. The attorney general can > reject any camera he/she sees fit. Even it it passed the testing > mandated by law. You may not buy any of the unapproved cameras in > another state and bring it home. > > Some municipalities will completely outlaw the possession or ownership > of cameras and you may not know you have crossed into one until you > are arrested for taking a picture of a bird in a tree.(NYC/DC/CHI/...) > > Camera ownership will immediately make the police suspect that you are > a CPP whenever you tell them you own a camera. > > Anytime you sell or give a camera to someone else you must go to a > camera dealer and pay to have a background check run on that person to > close the "Photography Show Loophole". > > Camera ownership will also come with these social benefits. > > Whenever you meet someone and they learn you are a photographer you > will have to live with their assumption that you own a camera to > produce child porn. Many will accuse you of owning it for that purpose > to your face. Some will call you some kind of idiot or backwater > hillbilly. > > Every time child porn is discovered the media will blame the camera > and refer to it as only good for producing child porn. > > Politicians will frequently refer to cameras you own as only good for > producing child porn and will actively try to ban them and confiscate > them. They will tell you that you don't need this camera or that > camera and try to ban it even if you want it and would never commit a > crime with it. What you want will be meaningless to them. They would > try to levy taxes on film with the intention of making it so expensive > that you can no longer afford to buy it. > > People would ignorantly think that if cameras or film were banned all > forms of child porn would cease to exist and no longer be produced. > Even when there are examples of countries that have done so and it's > clear it doesn't work. > > ------ > > I basically came up with equivalent anti camera laws and attitudes to > the anti gun laws and attitudes we put up with everyday. And explained > the attitude many have that guns are only good for murder and how that > type of attitude could turn to an attitude of cameras only being good > for making child porn. > > Her response.... I wouldn't put up with that s**t. My response, you > wouldn't have a choice. I really think I got through to her. > > Next step, invitation to the range. > > Feel free to add comparisons or tweak mine. Try to keep it really > close to the equivalent anti gun law. > __________________ > GunPolitics.com > Erebus.com > > Going after guns to stop crime is like trying to stop the itch of > poison ivy by scratching. It feels good for a short time but doesn't > accomplish anything. > > "To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable > of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the > mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How > cowardly. How pathetic." - Ted Nugent - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:00:34 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Six-word memoirs of our political leaders Politicians laid bare with brevity Wits on the Hill write memoirs for our leaders Don Martin, National Post, March 22, 2008 http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=391887 OTTAWA -Let's just declare the winner of this six-word memoir contest right off the top: Stephen Harper's political life in abbreviation? "Vote for me --or I'll sue." Or consider Stephane Dion's parliamentary existence crammed into six words, "Election? Yes. No. Yes. No. Maybe." Crafting the six-word memoir, a brain-teasing concept launched by a best-selling book of 1,000 submissions from ordinary and famous personalities, has caught on as a method of personal introspection and dinner conversation stimulation. Capturing the political essence of party leaders in six words isn't easy. If asked, their six-word response would undoubtedly be, "My memoirs need many more words." Still, it seems like a worthy challenge and a welcome break from constant election speculation so, with help from several legendary wits inside and outside the government, we have condensed the story of our federal leaders and assorted sidekicks into half a dozen words. Submissions for Stephen Harper's short stories were preoccupied with his tight control tendencies and coolish personality. "Embrace my softer side --or else." "All for one, one is all." "The national media can kiss my ass." "Too smart for his own good." "Thank you, Liberals: I'll keep going." "Conservative accountability, transparency and access: Gag." "Running on principle: Clinging to power." "Majority control procedures for minority governments." The brief life of Official Opposition leader Stephane Dion attracted six-worders mostly based on his party's no-show voting pattern in the House of Commons. "See evil, speak evil, stay seated." "Juggler ? Not! My career in Ottawa." "Assume the Dion voting position: Fetal." "Two picks. Two losses. BA .000" "The Liberal party: An ex officio Opposition." "The second coming of Edward Blake" (the only Liberal leader in history who did not become prime minister). "Liberal abstinence. I'll drink to that." New Democrat leader Jack Layton: "Stockwell Day with a library card." "Scaring Americans: My Life on CNN." "Going Green: NDP election fate 2008." Bloc Quebecois leader Gilles Duceppe: "Adieu PQ dreams, bonjour Lame Duck." "I came. I criticized. I remained." "Sovereignty yes, federal government pension oui." Bob Rae, former New Democrat premier elected as a Liberal MP last Monday: "New Dipper, skinny dipper, party flipper." "From Rae Days to weak Liberals." Deputy Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff: "Unreal. I lost to this guy?" "Second fiddle in tone-deaf orchestra." Vertically challenged Finance Minister Jim Flaherty: "Spending and ambition disproportionate to size." "Winning over Ontario: Smear and derision." Liberal MP Belinda Stronach: "Tie Domi explained: Sure beats knitting." "The shortcomings to dating Peter MacKay." "Politics as therapy for bored billionaires." Green Party leader Elizabeth May, who is running against Mr. MacKay in the next election: "Go Green, throw out an incumbent." "Petering out Conservatives in Nova Scotia." Defence Minister Peter MacKay: "You say potato-patch, I say photo-op." "Foreign affairs that went beyond diplomacy." Environment Minister John Baird: "When in doubt, yell and point." "Going Green: Many shades of grey." The Prime Minister's tight-lipped spokeswoman: "Silence! Sandra Buckler's guide to communications." "No response, no attribution, no comment." Prime Minister's chief of staff Ian Brodie, who was recently outed on U.S. television as the so-called NAFTAgate source: "The ABCs of confidential media relations." "Whisper to CTV, tell the world." And, of course, one wag refused to let this columnist off the hook. My alleged memoir in six words: "It's not my round, is it?" dmartin@canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:37:31 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Kanukistani Just-Us; not a gun story B.C. woman avoids prison in death of secret lover Last Updated: Monday, August 29, 2005 | 7:54 PM ET http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/08/29/Senner_conditional_sentence20050829.html CBC News A Prince George B.C., woman has been given a conditional sentence for killing her secret lover. Teresa Layne Senner's conditional sentence of two years less a day means she can live in the community but must follow a curfew. Senner, 43, was convicted of manslaughter in the death of Norman Wicks, a school principal in nearby Vanderhoof. In addition to her curfew, B.C. Supreme Court Justice Glen Parrett also prohibited Senner from using the internet and e-mail during the length of her sentence. Senner killed Norman Wicks with a single stab-wound to the groin in a quarrel at his home in Vanderhoof in November 2002. At her trial, Senner testified she inadvertently cut Wicks during a struggle. But the court heard that the struggle came after she had learned that Wicks had no plans to leave his wife for her and that he was having simultaneous affairs with two other women. Senner had been charged with second-degree murder but a six-man, six-woman jury found her guilty of manslaughter: culpable homicide committed in the heat of passion or sudden provocation. Wicks, 50, was the principal of two Vanderhoof elementary schools. Senner was a clerk in the human resources department of the Vanderhoof school district in north-central British Columbia. Senner said she had found numerous e-mails on Wick's computer detailing a sexual relationship between Wicks and one of Senner's colleagues. Wicks confided personal information to the colleague about Senner. Other e-mails disclosed another relationship between Wicks and a woman whom Senner didn't know. Evidence showed that on the day of his death, Wicks and Senner exchanged several e-mails and phone calls that Senner said built up the emotional tension between them. Justice Parrett said Senner's version of events was not credible on numerous points. "She describes herself as completely passive," he said. "Things happen to her and around her. She doesn't describe herself as doing anything." Parrett said Senner's version of events of how a long, sharp knife in the kitchen came to be used did not stand up to scrutiny. Senner claimed she grabbed the knife during the argument with Wicks because she was afraid it would fall off a counter and hurt one of them. On the other hand, the judge said, Senner had no criminal record and had been a contributing member of society, with 50 letters before the court attesting to her good character. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:14:15 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Nurse who made a citizen's arrest _avoids jail in killing Nurse avoids jail in killing http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/299599 Feb 01, 2008 12:38 PM Peter Small Courts Bureau A male nurse who made a citizen's arrest by grabbing a cocaine-intoxicated robber by the neck, unintentionally causing his death has been given a suspended sentence. Provincial court Justice William Wolski gave Norman English an 18-month suspended sentence Thursday after he pleaded guilty to assault causing bodily harm. The judge said it was ironic that someone who has dedicated much of his career to preserving life would be involved in taking one. The court found that English used excessive force in a reckless manner. The 47-year-old nurse, who works with a transplant team at a major Toronto teaching hospital, was originally charged with manslaughter in the death of Stephen MacEachern, but the court accepted his guilty plea to assault causing bodily harm. Outside court, defence lawyer Frank Gabriel said his client was very happy with the sentence. The judge was "terrifically fair," Gabriel said. English declined comment. But MacEachern's spouse, Debbie, who asked that her last name not be used, said the sentence is not fair, considering a life was lost. In the early hours of Sept. 22, 2006, English met MacEachern, 45, at a downtown Toronto bar and the two went to his apartment near Yonge and Carlton Sts. After they arrived, MacEachern shoved English to the ground and stole his wallet, court heard. English gave chase and caught MacEachern in the building's stairwell. As they struggled, he used his arm to grip MacEachern by the neck, while shouting for police. When English got off the man, he noticed he wasn't moving. Building security officers arrived and used CPR to try to revive MacEachern. Unknown to English, the man was very high on cocaine and died on the scene. The cause of death was pressure exerted on the neck of a person with acute cocaine addiction. The judge said English was reckless in the way he went about retrieving his wallet, but he did not know MacEachern was acutely intoxicated. "I am satisfied that Mr. English should be punished but I am also satisfied that he is a person unlikely to reoffend." English has expressed great remorse, the judge said. During the 18 months, English must take counselling, do 35 hours of community service, and consume no alcohol or controlled drugs. Although English had assault and drunk driving convictions nearly two decades old, he is now "a contributing member of society," Wolski said. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:06:48 -0400 From: TONY KATZ Subject: RE: Camera Control this is a devastatingly good analogy and we should all use it > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:53:33 -0300> From: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca > To: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca > Subject: Camera Control > > From http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=3D264469 > > > > *Made a lot of headway with an anti friend with this* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Maybe this belongs in general, feel free to move it if so, I felt it > > was more political. > [EDIT] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:11:36 -0400 From: bronnilium hawill Subject: Help What is the law for ontario for an air rifle, 495FPS do I need a licence and what are the rules of keeping it, do I have to hide it from people, not alowed to take it to a park, Please help me I do not want to end up in jail. please reply to Born-2-act@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 04:17:57 +0000 From: Trigger Mortis Subject: Firearms and weapons + (CCRA) I recently crossed the border and I was asked if I had any weapons. I had a knife on my belt. The blade is about 1.25 inches long. I said I didn't have any weapons. My car was searched. (I was importing the car). The inspector asked me about my knife. He said I should have declared it. He went on to say that I had to take it off and put it on the car roof, which I did. He asked me what I carried it for and used it for. I said I cut cartoons out of the newspaper with it. Since then, I have wondered why I should take it off or declare it. I have carried a knife on my person for the last 45 years, virtually every day. I don't use it for a weapon, never have. Why should I take it off and why should I declare it as a weapon, when it is not?? Can anybody enlighten me about this? Thanx. Alan Harper alan__harper@hotmail.com=20 SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM =20 ************************* > From: mred@295.ca> To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca > Subject: Firearms and weapons + (CCRA) > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:09:29 -0400> > Restrictions > Importation of the following goods into Canada is restricted. Make sure > you have the information you require before attempting to import these > items into Canada. > > > Firearms and weapons > Canada's firearms legislation helps make the country safer for both > residents and visitors. Before you attempt to import a firearm or weapon, > contact the Canada Firearms Centre for information. > > The following requirements apply to the importation of firearms and >weapons: > > a.. you must be at least 18 years of age; > > b.. you can import non-restricted and restricted firearms provided all > documentation and other requirements are met; and > > c.. you generally cannot import prohibited firearms or any type of > prohibited weapons or devices, including silencers, replica firearms, > switchblades, pepper spray and other weapons. > > You must declare all weapons and firearms at the CBSA port of entry. If > not, you could face prosecution and the goods may be seized. For more > detailed information on importing a firearm into Canada, please refer to > the publication called Importing a Firearm or Weapon Into Canada or call > BIS at one of the telephone numbers listed in the section called > "Additional information." For information about applying for a Canadian > firearms licence or to obtain an application for an Authorization to > Transport Restricted Firearms and Prohibited Firearms (Form CAFC 679) in > advance, please contact the Canada Firearms Centre: > > Canada Firearms Centre> Ottawa ON K1A 1M6> > Telephone: 1-800-731-4000 > toll-free in Canada and the United States) > 506-624-5380 (from all other countries) > Fax: 613-957-7325> > E-mail: cfc-cafc@cfc-cafc gc.ca > Web site: www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca > [EDIT] ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V11 #290 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:d.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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