Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, June 30 2008 Volume 11 : Number 613 In this issue: RE: 16 Accidentally Wounded by French Military in Shooting Demo Biofuels Cop shoots unarmed man Canada doesn't have an NRA ... My letter to several papers [COLUMN] Tyranny, by increments ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:07:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Sciuk Subject: RE: 16 Accidentally Wounded by French Military in Shooting Demo Mark Horstead wrote: > Yes, this could be an "accident", but too many serious examples of > negligence by several people would have had to happen for it to be an > accident. > > Mark Funny, I read the article in two newspapers this morning, and went through much of the same thought process that you did, Mark. There is more to this story than an accident ... though owing to embarrassed French politico's, it may get played that way ... I suspect that there is much more to be told, however, as everything which could possibly go wrong, including the sheer number of injured persons, did go wrong. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:02:00 -0400 From: "Jules Sobrian" Subject: Biofuels What confuses me is that the majority of corn grown on farms is cow corn, which is inedible by anything but cows and deer; even the racoons won't eat it. This is also the type of corn which is used in biofuels. Now somebody please explain to me how diverting these crops to biofuel manufacture would affect the world foodgrain balance. There are farmers around Omemee who grow this stuff and leaves bunkers full to rot every year, so to me there is no shortage. This is another scam just like global warming and gun control to charge more and screw the ignorant, helpless public. Jules ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:56:24 -0400 From: "Jules Sobrian" Subject: Cop shoots unarmed man Subject: Canada doesn't have an NRA ... Al Muir wrote: > Quick, decisive and to the point. A 180 degree difference from most > Canadian gun owner groups. Come on now, do we really want an NRA type > organization in Canada? Na, I think we want a "political reality" we got > here by steps and we have to get out that way type group. Excuse me, I > have to go to the bathroom, I think I am going to get sick again. > > Al Al, It occurs to me that the success of the NRA was pre-ordained by the fact that the US Constitution included the 2nd Ammendment. The entire organization, its lobbying, its lawsuits and its political activism were focused around the absolute "right" (small r) enshrined therein. The best Canada can do, is a non-absolute Right (Ann McLellan) to safety of person, and obscure and highly technical derivatives from British common law (Joe, Bruce et. al. can provide details), which apparently the courts do not feel the need to uphold for some (partisan) vague reason. So from that standpoint, we do not have "winning conditions" for firearm owners rights - -- strike one! Secondly, we (the RFC) have been divided amoung ourselves since forever. When Al Dorans attempted to build a lobby organization in Ottawa, we had the will, but no unified voice, and no single message to take there. In my opinion, if the shooting organizations and clubs, and indeed individuals could agree upon a single, simply worded and fundamentally true statement, then we would have had the makings of an effective lobby organization. Through various reasons, the RFC have become divided (clays vs. handguns, black rifles are not for hunting, restricted vs non-restricted, east vs west, prohibited firearm owners vs duck gun owners, PALS vs POLS, licensed vs unlicensed, ISU vs Action sports) all of these various little axe grinders have made up enemy factions within the CFC, and just like the Alliance/Reform/PC schism, we agree to not get along, and so we marginalize ourselves politically, and we have no single voice to speak for us -- strike two. We are precariously poised on a count of no balls, and two stikes to strike (or foul) out completely in this political climate largely through our own faults and limitations. We could change, but we refuse to do so, and so we don't join a single organization. We don't have a single message to tell our MPP's, MP's and city councillors. We aren't an effective lobby, we can't even support ourselves. We suck! And it is late in the day, politically speaking. If we were to change, it had better be soon!!!!! Sincerely, Rob Sciuk. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:13:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas Bailey Subject: My letter to several papers If Mayor David Miller were to have vilified Gays, Lesbians, Muslims Women, or any other group protected by Human Rights Legislation the way has castigated fireams owners, he would have been hauled before a Human Rights tribunal in an instant. Unfortunately, firearms owners are not an identifiable group under the human rights legislation, but his slanderous and misleading comments are nonetheless hurtful and intolerable. When one reads Miller's comments about firearms owners, he clearly enunciates that in his opinion, anyone who lawfully owns a firearm is a latent criminal. That's the same as saying anyone who owns a car is soon to be an impaired driver. His remarks are tantamount to a hate crime. Miller should be run out of Toronto on a rail, as should any politician that shows such bias and bigotism. Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:35:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [COLUMN] Tyranny, by increments http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=3Daa136e0d-0 b89-4e68-b9aa-c4978599375a =20 Tyranny, by increments George Jonas Citizen Special Monday, June 30, 2008 The state continues to be on the rampage, not only in tyrannies where it's on the rampage by definition, but also in "free" countries like Canada or present-day Germany. When I stepped ashore in New Brunswick 52 years ago, I wouldn't have thought that one day I'd have to put the word "free" in quotation marks with reference to Canada. Did you ever wonder who won the great wars of the 20th century? It wasn't Hitler and Stalin, thank God, or even Mussolini, but it didn't seem to have been Churchill or Roosevelt either. It looks like it was Bismarck. We may have sacrificed 70-plus million lives on the battlefields of Europe and Asia to end up with a space-age, microchip version of the "Iron" Chancellor's autocratic Prussian state. Oh, the state! Fifty years ago, at the municipal level, it was pretty adept at picking up the garbage. Now that it lost this skill, I'm not sure what the state is good for. Under the pretext of safeguarding people's health, self-esteem, and family, the authorities demand veto over everyone's conscience, speech, and lifestyle. Many years ago a Chicago gangster named Al Capone came up with a scam called "protection racket." In our time it has been taken over by the government. Consider recent events: A Quebec judge rules that a father must consent to his 12-year-old daughter going on a school field trip. The Senate passes a bill that would outlaw parents physically restraining or disciplining their children in all but the most extreme circumstances. The Ontario government makes it illegal for people to smoke in their own cars while transporting children. In British Columbia and Alberta, Human Rights Commissions regulate, and in Ontario demand the power to regulate, press and electronic communication. (The federal Human Rights Commission is studying the question.) German authorities jail a couple for home schooling their children. I've picked these examples because I feel at arms length from most of them. I happen not to smoke; I don't much hold with spanking; and never had the slightest desire to home school my son. By the time he was 12 he certainly had my blessing to go on all the school trips he wanted. In other words, aside from the censor wannabes of the Human Rights Commission, the state's malapert minions aren't goring my ox. But God, the sheer gall of these meddlesome martinets. Their unmitigated temerity, their obtuse social-engineering hubris, simply takes my breath away. So does their naïveté. Take corporal punishment. Céline Hervieux-Payette, the senator who fancies she knows better how to raise children than their parents, told the press that her proposed anti-spanking bill wasn't designed "to arrest everyone who gives their child a tap on the arm." Oh, really? Then what is it designed for? Chastising children wantonly or brutally is already against the law. A tap? One man's tap is another man's assault. Once the law is in place, it's not Senator Hervieux-Payette who will administer it but some moronic or malicious official whose interpretation of "tap" will govern, at least until, who knows how many years and dollars later, it's countermanded - perhaps - by a higher official. Perhaps a higher court will also overrule Quebec Superior Court Justice Suzanne Tessier's arrogant substitution of her own child-rearing notions for those of a father - who cannot, of course, be named to "protect" his daughter -- but by then insult and injury will have been done. Notice the irony, by the way. The same state that denies a 12-year-old girl the protection of a father, "protects" her by hiding her identity. No wonder the American humorist Will Rogers said: "I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts." Again, the point isn't whether I would let my 12-year-old daughter go on a field trip. Frankly, I probably would - but I'm not this 12-year-old's father. Neither is Judge Tessier. If a judge concludes a father is unfit, let her make that finding, but if she doesn't, she has no business telling a fit father how to raise his daughter. The state has no business in the nurseries of the nation. Judges who wish to raise children should adopt them. George Jonas writes for the National Post. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V11 #613 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:drg.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)