Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, June 30 2008 Volume 11 : Number 621 In this issue: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V11 #616 Rally Protest Re: My letter to the Ottawa Citizen Re: Ont. spending $5 million for guns, gang investigations The NRA Re: NRA type organizations ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:43:34 -0700 From: "Bob Boswell" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V11 #616 Re: Participation in the CFAC. Dr. Mike may I take this opportunity to thank you for your efforts. I have an associate who also sits on this committee and I appreciate all the effort put forward by this group. I remain active in the conservative party in order to put forward the importance a large segment of the Canadian population places on responsible ownership of firearms and voice our oppostion to the firearms act to various federal minister. I have had a few occassions in the past couple of years to have one on one discussions with Stockwell Day as well as some other Cabinet ministers. It is my view that if we continue to press for change that eventually when a majority is held action can be taken to address some of our grievance. I believe that I have a better chance of effecting change from within the organization than I would have if I am an outsider with little to no access to the people who can help us. I sense this is not the view of a few on this forum. Bob Boswell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:29:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Ian Jefferson Subject: Rally Protest Hi all, When were the last significant public local/regional/rallies held either pro firearms or against the Firearms act etc. Links etc. would be helpful. IJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:50:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Ian Jefferson Subject: Re: My letter to the Ottawa Citizen > > George Jonas adroitly hits the nail right on the head with > > his column about how intrusive the "nanny state" > > has become over the years. But if you were to tell the > > average Canadian that we are now living in a tyrannical, or > > even a socialist, state, they'd look at you like you had LOL I used to call this very Canadiana way of thinking the Communist Mind Control B******s. After I reflected on the situation for a few years I realized these were actually Meddling Busy-bodies. It's a good observation. Quite often without thinking people meddle. I remember years ago in Kanata there was a law banning old fashioned 2 pulley clothes lines. Not fashionable. In today's context under the Green party I expect banning a clothesline would be a criminal offense. What's important about this Nanny-state concept is the implication that the implementors of the Nanny rules really believe, often in staggering ignorance, they are doing the right thing. They can't conceive of the damage being done. IJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:17:30 -0600 From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: Re: Ont. spending $5 million for guns, gang investigations - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Mills Date: Monday, June 30, 2008 6:27 pm Subject: Ont. spending $5 million for guns, gang investigations > http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=99e18a07- > 84b3-486b-88f5-d38111033319 > > Ont. spending $5 million for guns, gang investigations > > Canwest News Service > Published: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 > > TORONTO - Toronto police will receive a $5 million boost from > Queen's Park > to aid in the fight against guns and gangs. This is a particularly badly written article. The by-line is; "Ont. spending $5 million for guns, gang investigations" Then the article goes on to say; "Toronto police will receive a $5 million boost from Queen's Park to aid in the fight against guns and gangs." Okay. How much was Torona getting already? The article then ends with; "The government has given the Toronto police program similar funding in each of the last two years." Still, does this mean that Torona is "getting a $5 Million "BOOST" to what they were already getting, or were they "ONLY" getting $5 Million in each of he two previous years? But of course Bill Blair's "gun stats" are right in there, never mind that firearm violence is only a part of all violence by gangs and organized crime. And to make matters even worse, [or better, depending on your perspective,], look at the story URL. This PoC is ranked by Canada.com as a "National" story! It's no wonder that the majority of people who read this crap are nothing more than mindless automatons that question nothing. Socialist Journalism 101 at it's best. "Repeat the government mantra as often as possible, in as many ways as possible- and the sheeple will believe it." Randolph Hearst would be proud! - -DRGJ "Laws control the lesser man... Right conduct controls the greater one." - -Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:52:24 -0700 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: The NRA Many American gun owners are not totally enamoured of the position of the NRA on all points, however, they are smart enough to know the value of one powerful organization that speaks for all gun owners. They settle their internal disputes and get on with the business at hand. I know that detractors of the NRA get a kick in the butt from supporters who refer to them as parasites, benefitting from the work done while not contributing. TB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:30:04 -0400 From: "Al Muir" Subject: Re: NRA type organizations > Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:06:08 -0300 > From: jim hill > Subject: NRA type organizations > > Todd Birch said: > > "I'd love to see an NRA-type organization in Canada. Pity that their > mandate > does not permit operation outside of the US. They have their finger on the > political pulse of their law makers and keep people informed. US gun > owners > would likely be in a worse situation than we are if not for them." > > http://www.nra.org.uk/common/asp/links/links.asp?cat=1&site=NRA > > I remember when I was a kid in Campbellton, NB, I was a member of a group > called Tyros in the United Church. We had a member of the NRA speak on > firearms safety at one of our meetings. There had been a fund raiser > which > we had taken part in and as one of the people who had sold the most > tickets > I won third prize which was a fishing trip into an area known as "the > South > East" We went to Indian Lake. The first prize winner also won a trip as > well > as a complete set of fishing gear, rods, reels, tackle box equipped with > lures etc. Of course it helped that his father who was the Federal MP in > the > Area bought most of the tickets. Charlie Van Horne the Conservative MP was > one of the last politicians to ever do anything in the area. A bridge > spanning the Restigouche River allowed us to get rid of the ferry and the > ice road in the Winter. The bridge is called the Van Horne Bridge. > In any event The NRA used to come to Canada and in fact has several > offices > in many countries around the world. Of course ,for them to be really > effective they have to have a large membership to support costs etc. > Firearms organizations that presently exist in this Country seem to excel > at > one thing only and that is the undermining of other groups in an attempt > to > further their own. Unfortunately that plays into government hands as they > "divide and conquer." Jim this has nothing to do with "divide and conquer ". It is conquer BECAUSE we are divided.The government is not doing the dividing they are only exploiting existing divisions. The positions of the NFA, CSSA, Firearms Advisory Committee, etc. are in direct contradiction to the position of millions of unlicensed gun owners. They claim that this is a temporary position brought on by what they call "political reality". That very claim clearly underlines that unlicensed owners and those opposed to the CONS support of the Liberal's licensing of long gun owners are on target. As much as they would like to they cannot have it both ways. It would be far better for them to simply tell the government that licensing of long gun owners is not acceptable. The government has enough political capital invested in gun owners they will deliver a minimum amount of relief even if those organizations stand up to them. By taking the position they have they have gained nothing, rather they have given up everything. As an unlicensed long gun owner that intends to stay that way please tell me what I have to gain by supporting a party that supports licensing. Nevermind lets not waste each others time the answer is equally clear. Nothing. Under the Liberals or the CONS my property is no longer my own. This situation reminds me of Bruce Montague. Bruce is challenging the government on licensing. There are those that support Bruce monetarily and at the same time support the CONS that are opposed to what Bruce is doing. On the one hand we have logic and on the other politics. There is far to much politics on this forum and far to little logic. I would love to see an NRA type organization in Canada also. There is a mistaken belief that it is the fault of gun owners there is not. The fault lies wth their leadership. The major Canadian groups have not been worthy of following. Yes they are undermining unlicensed long gun owners. Can you get them to stop? I have been trying to for some time now. 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