Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, September 2 2008 Volume 12 : Number 056 In this issue: re: "BRITAIN: Family calls for tighter controls on firearms" UK: England: Midlands: Shot baby dies from airgun wounds- BBC News So, you want an election, do you?? Attributions on the Digest RE: "hold your nose and vote" "Man charged with posing as policeman" Man shot outside Vaughan house - Toronto Star Re: Voting in the next Canadian erec... sorry Election Re: Jim Hill Re: Conquered with or without division [LETTER] Act couldn't stop stabbings - Toronto Star US: HARTFORD CT: After Surge of Violence, a Curfew in Hartford-NYT [LETTER] Empty promise of gun control - National Post ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:21:32 -0300 From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: re: "BRITAIN: Family calls for tighter controls on firearms" To the Editor, To: letters@guardian.co.uk The basic rules of firearm safety are: 1) ALWAYS treat all guns as if they are loaded and ready to fire at all times. 2) ALWAYS point in a safe direction and never at anything you do not wish to shoot. 3) ALWAYS be sure of your target, what is between you and it, and what is behind it at all times. 4) ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot. 5) ALWAYS properly clear the gun and make PROVE it safe before removing it from storage, before taking it into your hands, before putting it down or handing it to another person, and before putting it back in safe storage. 6) ALWAYS store firearms and ammunition securely so that they cannot be gotten at by unauthorized people. 7) NEVER use firearms when your alertness or judgment are impaired by any substance or situation. 9) ANYONE can call a ceasefire at anytime and for any reason. 10) NEVER make an exception to these rules for any reason, EVER. Bakht Zaman broke rules 5, 6, and 10. In the UK it is very difficult for people to get proper firearms safety training because of the State's ongoing pogrom against the lawful shooting sports. Apparently the government of the UK believes that it can stop illegal gang violence by eliminating the lawful private ownership of firearms. An increase in the level of gun safety ignorance is one unintended and tragic consequence of this policy. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:49:57 -0600 From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: UK: England: Midlands: Shot baby dies from airgun wounds- BBC News Shot baby dies from airgun wounds http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/7592608.stm Image & Caption Rashid Ullah was shot at his home in Birmingham Page last updated at 19:02 GMT, Monday, 1 September 2008 20:02 UK An 18-month-old boy who was shot in the head with an airgun in his Birmingham home has died in hospital. Rashid Ullah was shot in the garden of his home in Washwood Heath on 24 August. It is believed one of his sisters accidentally shot him after picking up the airgun, which her father had been using for target practice. The boy, who was being treated at Birmingham Children's Hospital, died on Monday afternoon, police said. West Midlands Police said the incident appeared to be a "tragic accident". Police investigations are continuing. The toddler was left in a critical condition after the incident and surgeons had been waiting for the swelling to go down before they could remove the pellet. After Rashid was injured, his family released a statement which said: "We hope anyone who has an air weapon realises how dangerous these guns can be." Campaigners' call The case has been referred to Birmingham Safeguarding Children Board for further consideration, in line with any child death in the city. A spokesman for the board said: "Any child death is a tragedy and our thoughts are with Rashid's family at this difficult period. We are co-operating fully with the police at this time." Campaigners earlier called for legislation to register airguns and make their owners more liable for their weapons' misuse. The Gun Control Network, which campaigns for tighter controls on guns of all kinds, has said such incidents were preventable. But the National Small-bore Rifle Association said the government had already rejected certification. The association added that tighter controls on the purchase and possession of airguns had come into force last October but it was "too early to know" what effect they had had on their misuse. - -- -- SEE ALSO Shot toddler remains in hospital 31 Aug 08 | West Midlands http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/7590826.stm Shot toddler family issue warning 27 Aug 08 | West Midlands http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/7584115.stm Controls plea after toddler shot 26 Aug 08 | West Midlands http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/7581776.stm Toddler shot with airgun critical 26 Aug 08 | West Midlands http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/7580896.stm RELATED INTERNET LINKS West Midlands Police http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/ National Small-bore Rifle Association http://www.nsra.co.uk/ The BBC is not responsible for the content of external internet sites © BBC MMVIII ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:37:57 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: So, you want an election, do you?? To: donations@conservative.ca Cc: Harper Minister , Mackay.P@parl.gc.ca, Eliott Leyton , jflaherty@fin.gc.ca, SweetD0@parl.gc.ca, Stock day , david@davidsweet.ca, BREITG1@PARL.GC.CA To those who cannot keep a promise . . In the entire country, there is only one I would consider supporting . . Gun control, as it is written, is at best, a fraud . . at worst a cruel hoax . . It has not stopped ONE criminal use, while costing the lives of the innocent Hold your nose and vote??? Len Miller from Vancouver where the criminals tell you how well gun control is working ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:57:47 -0400 From: "William Blasius" Subject: Attributions on the Digest OK people, enough is enough! Three times in two days I've seen posts which attribute to me quotes from other posters and delete what I wrote. I'm more than willing to stand up for what I say, but I don't like some careless (I hope) poster putting words in my mouth. That goes double when you attribute to me the thing with which I'm disagreeing. Please be more careful. Wm Blasius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:56:00 -0400 From: TONY KATZ Subject: RE: "hold your nose and vote" I dont know where you get your info but quebec is looking pretty good right now and harper could pick up some seats there also the conservative usually start election campaigns well behind in the polls and pick up momentum as the campaign goes on. So the outcome depends on how well the campaign goes. > From: mred@295.ca > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: Re: "hold your nose and vote" > Date: Mon. 1 Sep 2008 15:27:54 -0400> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trigger Mortis" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008:44 PM > Subject: RE: "hold your nose and vote" > > > > Politics are notoriously hard to predict. > > > > I recall that Joe Clark and the rest of the Conservative party figured the > > Liberals were deep in debt and would no longer be a factor in an election > > (sound familiar?). > > > > The very next election was a shocker and Pierre Trudeau and his Liberals > > were voted into a majority position.> > Your friend, the political professor, may be exactly right, OR, maybe not. > > I'm not going to bet the farm on his opinion. > > > > Alan Harperalan__harper@hotmail.com> > > > SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM > > > > No of course I wouldnt either, but the POSSIBILITY IS THERE . > > I have been trying to figure out ANY other reason to call an election and > I cant/ > > Ontario will probably go Lieberal as will Quebec, at this moment in time, > so what's the point really.? > > The rest of Canada is immaterial as far as picking a governing party. > > So if anyone has any other ideas ? please post them ~!~!!!!!!!!!! > > I need some input on WHY ? > ED/ON > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:06:25 -0600 From: Larry James Fillo Subject: "Man charged with posing as policeman" http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080901.wfakecop01/ BNStory/National/home?cid=al_gam_mostview Pretty funny story but this would-be traffic cop cost the taxpayer a lot less than regular ones. I can't believe they let him get away with this for a month before making the arrest...okay maybe I can. Surveys show that 40% of rank and file cops think their superior officers may have got their badges out of cereal boxes. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:44:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Man shot outside Vaughan house - Toronto Star http://www.thestar.com/GTA/Crime/article/488396 Man shot outside Vaughan house Aug 31, 2008 11:30 AM Dan Robson STAFF REPORTER A man in his mid-20s was shot multiple times outside a house in Vaughan last night. The man was found lying between two homes on Unity Cres., just off Dufferin St. near Highway 407, after police responded to reports of gunshots and the sound of screaming just before midnight. The victim had several wounds to his upper body and is in stable condition following surgery, police say. A shell casing was recovered from the scene, and police are searching for a 20-year-old black male suspect. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:08:57 -0700 From: Christopher di Armani Subject: Re: Voting in the next Canadian erec... sorry Election Walter Martindalet wrote: > Who said we must hang together or surely we will all hang, > separately? > Walter Sadly. far too many long-gun owners can't comprehend that they too will lose their guns, right after the rest of us have lost our handguns. They hang onto the misguided belief that their rifles are immune from confiscation. I pray they will wake up before it's too late. For all of us. - -- Yours in Liberty, Christopher di Armani christopher@diArmani.com http://www.diArmani.com Check out the latest from Katey Montague at http://www.YouTube.com/KateysFirearmsFacts ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:23:38 -0600 From: "Med Crotteau" Subject: Re: Jim Hill DEBBIE & JIM: That is not good news, and i for one will Include you in my Prayers. God Bless. Med Crotteau - ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" To: "CFD" Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: Jim Hill > Jim Hill's wife Debbie has informed me that Jim's health has taken a > turn for the worse. > At this time it is not clear how things will go. > > Debbie and Jim ask that we (the RFC) respect their privacy and refrain > from visiting or sending a bunch of emails. > > FYI > > -- > M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) > Rural Family Physician, > Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. > Sherbrooke, NS > Canada B0J 3C0 > 902-522-2172 > > mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca > > "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:05:18 -0400 From: "D R Goodbrand" Subject: Re: Conquered with or without division Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:16:56 -0400 From: "Al Muir" Subject: Conquered with or without division Could you tell me how the Crime Bill as it pertains to firearms is neutral? I know C-24 is because there is nothing different from what the Libs gave us. > Whatever issue anyone on this forum may have with the CPC in regards to > firearms the Liberals will, without any doubt, be worse. Please explain to me how my property not being mine under the Libs Firearms Act is worse then my property not being mine under the Cons C-24 as I will not get a license for one or the other? Given the Crime Bill and C-24 my punishment for refusal to comply might well be worse. Those like yourself that want us to vote for the Cons and nothing else have not answered that very important question yet. Lets hear it, I am all ears. This is your chance to set me strait. Would it be just get a license and shut up? Roll over like a good dog? Al - ---------- OK Al, I'll give it a shot but I'm not holding my breath this will do anything to change your mind. Worse case scenario 1-- the CPC wins and everything you fear comes true. Worse case scenario 2-- the Liberals win is that everything you fear the CPC is going to do come true anyway PLUS for certain everyone with a Handgun and possibly everyone with a semi automatic firearm in this country is going to get screwed. There is absolutely no doubt the Liberals will have a far greater negative impact on firearms ownership in Canada than CPC will. If the CPC is defeated and the Liberals take power even in a minority they will have the full support of the NDP and the Bloc giving them a unbeatable majority in regards to more restrictive firearms legislation. ANYONE advocating the defeat of the CPC for ANY reason puts the agenda of the David Millers of this country one step closer to reality. However, of all you care about is whether you ultimately will be required to register your long guns or not and don't give a flying f**k about everyone else then please to say so loud and clear and explain how you think advocating the defeat of the CPC sends any other message to the rest of us except " if I can't get exactly what I want then screw you". So Al... yes or no.....do you support a handgun ban ? "Lets hear it, I am all ears.." D.R. Goodbrand ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:24:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] Act couldn't stop stabbings - Toronto Star http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/486684 Act couldn't stop stabbings Aug 28, 2008 04:30 AM Re:3 stabbed in random attacks, Aug. 26 I'll bet these three stabbing victims are glad the Liberals' much-vaunted Firearms Act is keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of those who should not have them ... Bruce N. Mills, Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:41:33 -0600 From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: US: HARTFORD CT: After Surge of Violence, a Curfew in Hartford-NYT Law Enforcement http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/24hartfordct.html?pagewanted=1&tntemail1=y&_r=1&emc=tnt After Surge of Violence, a Curfew in Hartford Image & Caption CLEARING STREETS Trooper Anthony Carter, left, and Officer Josh Lewis, right, give a curfew warning to a youth, who was taken to his mother, back to camera, and his sister. - -Thomas McDonald for The New York Times By TRACY GORDON FOX Published: August 22, 2008 HARTFORD C. J. JONES, 7, said he cried the other day when he went to the hospital to visit his best friend, who had always played football with him in the front yard. “He got shot in the head,” C. J. said sadly of his friend, Tyreke Marquis, also 7, who was wounded as a hail of bullets tore through a crowd dispersing after the West Indian Day parade in the city’s north end on Aug. 9. C. J. has trouble sleeping and said he is afraid he will be shot too. He tried to make Tyreke feel better at the Connecticut Children’s Medical Center, where he is in fair condition. “I read him a book, ‘The Three Little Pigs,’ ” C. J. said, his eyes filling with tears. The shootings, which killed a 21-year-old man and wounded six, including Tyreke and a 17-month-old girl sitting in her stroller, prompted the police and city officials to take a series of steps to try to quell the violence in Hartford, which has seen 152 people shot since January. On that particularly bloody weekend, Tyreke was among 11 people shot in the city. The most drastic measure city officials took was to impose a 30-day emergency curfew that prohibits children under 18 years old from being on the street after 9 p.m. unless they are with a parent or guardian. “It tore me apart: Who would expect something like this to happen at a parade?” C. J.’s grandmother, Rosemary Easterling, said one recent night as she prepared to usher C. J. and other children indoors before the curfew. “That could have been anyone’s child.” Eddie A. Perez, the mayor of Hartford, and Daryl K. Roberts, the police chief, have issued a “most watched list” of criminals wanted for violent offenses and announced the formation of a “shooting team” in which the police will work with prosecutors to solve shooting incidents. There is also talk of a grand jury looking into some of the shootings. “It took us to another level of urgency,” the mayor said. “A 7-year-old and a year-and-a-half-old baby were shot, innocent people enjoying the best thing we have to offer. “The goal of the curfew was to continue to secure the safety of all citizens, especially the young people,” he said. By Thursday morning, after the curfew had been in place more than a week, the police had taken more than 70 children home to their parents. But by then, the strategy of picking up under-age youths out late was already showing its limits as a preventive to the violence. On Wednesday night, there were three shootings, critically injuring two men. They did not involve teenagers, the police said. “The violence today is so senseless, it could be over anything,” Chief Roberts said. “You could look at someone sideways. It is frustrating at times, and it’s very difficult to see young life wasted over nothing. What used to be a fistfight is now settled by gun violence.” On the first night of the curfew, 11 teams of Hartford officers and State Police troopers fanned out across the city in patrol cars and on bicycles. Officers in cruisers went through the city’s most troubled neighborhoods, reminding teenagers clustered on the sidewalks to be inside by 9 p.m. “You’re out here all night,” Officer Josh Lewis told a group of teenagers through the open window of his cruiser minutes before the curfew began, shooing them off the street. “You’re out here until 3 and 4 in the morning. It’s over.” Throughout the evening, the officers’ approach was one of informing youths and their parents of the new rules, or checking to make sure those lingering at street corners or stoops were of age. “Everyone 18?” Officer Lewis asked a group of teenagers hanging out on a north end street. “Got ID? How old are you?” A 15-year-old with a slight beard and a scowl was put in the back of a cruiser and taken home to his mother. He told Officer Lewis he was just walking to a friend’s house to get a CD. His mother, who did not speak English, was told about the new curfew through her younger daughter, who translated the officers’ admonishment into Spanish. “If you’re out again after curfew, you’re going to get a ticket and go to community court and your mom is going to have to go with you,” Officer Lewis told the teenager and his mother. Both nodded in agreement. By 10 p.m. on the first night of the curfew, the streets were noticeably empty. “It’s Day 1,” said Sgt. Michael Coates, a Hartford police supervisor. “Hopefully, it will continue.” Most of those they encountered seemed to welcome the extra security. “I love it to death,” Kisha Simpson said of the curfew as Officer Lewis and Trooper Anthony Carter cruised behind her brick apartment complex, where R.I.P. graffiti memorialized young men killed. “I love it, love it, love it.” Mrs. Simpson knows all too well about the violence; her 22-year-old son was shot in the back and killed on these streets five years ago. “I’m scared for my life,” she said. “I’m scared for my daughter’s life. This is crazy.” She and others remain cautiously optimistic whether the curfew will stop the shootings and killings. Before the curfew, the police had tried other strategies, but nothing had worked to bring down the number of shootings. Not the infusion of state troopers or new task forces. Not prayer vigils by community members tired of watching weeping mothers bury their sons. Shootings have increased by 25 percent in Hartford from last year, with 152 shooting victims in 2008 so far, according to police records. This year, the police have seized 281 guns — 33 since the beginning of summer. But more guns appear, and many of those arrested for gun possession and other felonies are out of jail quickly and are not adequately monitored by the state’s probation department, Chief Roberts said. Hartford’s homicide rate has been on the rise; in 2007, there were 31 murders, up from 24 in 2006, according to F.B.I. uniform crime statistics. By the end of last month, there were 18 homicides, according to the Hartford police records. By comparison, homicides in Bridgeport decreased from 28 in 2006 to 14 in 2007. In cities of comparable size in the region, increases were nonexistent or not as dramatic; Syracuse had 19 murders in 2007, an increase of 7 from 2006, and 20 homicides were reported in Jersey City in 2007, down by 2 from 2006. The police said the homicide rate in Hartford would be higher if it weren’t for the trauma teams in the city’s two major hospitals that save many of the victims. From January to July, St. Francis Hospital and Medical Center in the city’s north end treated 70 gunshot wound victims, said Tina Varona, a hospital spokeswoman. “We’re definitely seeing a significant increase,” said Dr. Steven Wolf, director of the emergency department, where five shooting victims came in at the same time after the parade. The city’s juvenile department, working with St. Francis Hospital and Hartford Hospital, created Peace Builders, a team of young men and women who help prevent further violence in neighborhoods and in emergency rooms after shootings. When violence occurs, the team goes into the community and to the emergency room and talks with gang members and families to try to calm the situation. “It becomes a powder keg and a lot of our resources are spent trying to manage that,” Dr. Wolf said, adding that the hospital had to go into lockdown mode. “They did a remarkable job keeping a lid on the whole situation.” Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company - -- -- FYI: City of Hartford http://www.hartford.gov/ - -drgj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:28:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [LETTER] Empty promise of gun control - National Post http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=756847 Empty promise of gun control National Post Published: Saturday, August 30, 2008 Re: Gun Control A Silenced Issue, Allen Abel, Aug. 28. I would like to point out to Allen Abel that more gun control is not the solution to violence. Jamaica banned all guns from its citizens in 1974 and it now has the second-highest murder rate in the world. Violence is a social problem; the controlling of inanimate objects will never have any effect on the actions of individuals. Gun control is not crime control; it is just an empty promise. Jeff Gardiner, Wellesley, Ont. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #56 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:drg.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)