Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, September 7 2008 Volume 12 : Number 089 In this issue: Re: "Tax and Spend Liberals," did someone say? The CBC's appalling smear on Gov. Sarah Palin Re: RCMP urge gun owners to register and properly store weapons RE: "Tax and Spend Liberals," did someone say? Torstar election poll Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #87 Opinion still valid after 4 years? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 07:35:39 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: "Tax and Spend Liberals," did someone say? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "TONY KATZ" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:35 AM Subject: RE: "Tax and Spend Liberals," did someone say? > > Lee I am getting real tired of your anti conservative rants you haven't > had any thing positive to contribute to this forum in a long time. > > I have always suspected you of being a liberal plant but no longer have > any doubts at all. > > No politician will ever please me 100% of the time, heck I am happy if > they can do better than 60%, but apparently the conservatives have no > redeeming value at all in your eyes. Others have critiscised them too but > usually over particular points of ideology and then they also propose > alternatives but you have never had a good word to say even before they > became the government. You have become tiersome and repetative. > Well Tony I guess that puts me in the same boat?I truly cant see any difference in the CPC and the Lieberals ? Their gun controls are there , only by a different name. However since this is an open forum I believe we both have the right to our opinions , even though they may not agree with you. I dont always believe what you post either . But that doesnt mean you shouldnt post ? The more posters we have the better; we can assimilate the information that is available. We dont HAVE to believe it but at least we can think for ourselves. As far as Lee is concerned he is speaking the truth , so whats wrong with the truth? Dont you remember how criminal the Lieberals were when they were in power ? They STOLE millions of dollars from the taxpayer and never payed it back, or were comensurately punished for it. ed/on >> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:28:47 -0400 >> From: leejasper@amtelecom.net >> Subject: "Tax and Spend Liberals," did someone say? >> To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca >> EDIT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:01:28 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: The CBC's appalling smear on Gov. Sarah Palin http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/09/03/jonathan-kay-the-cbc-s-appalling-smear-on-sarah-palin.aspx Jonathan Kay: The CBC's appalling smear on Sarah Palin Posted: September 03, 2008, 3:36 PM by Jonathan Kay Jonathan Kay A few weeks ago, I wrote a column arguing that readers will miss the mainstream media when we're gone. Oh sure, bloggers have a lot of spicy opinions. But when it comes to investigating important stories, they don't hold a candle to big, deep-pocketed, old-fashioned newspaper writers and broadcast media outlets. Imagine my embarrassment, then, when it turned out this week that the flagship newscast on the biggest, deep-pocketeddest, old-fashionedest Canadian media outlet of them all - the taxpayer-funded CBC - got suckered into reporting a story that the blogosphere chewed up, debunked, and spit out two days earlier. The story revolves around Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, who on Friday was announced as John McCain's pick for VP candidate. Almost immediately, a weird rumor took flight: that Palin's fifth child, 4-month-old baby Trig, was actually born to her 17-year-old daughter Bristol. According to sources swirling feverishly around left-wing clearinghouse Daily Kos, Sarah had fraudulently claimed maternity of the child while Bristol was removed from school under a phony excuse involving mononucleosis. Many conservatives were concerned. A Michigan-based political-junkie friend of mine - a tireless Web surfer who acts as a sort of human RSS feeder for his friends - sent out a worried email on Friday night declaring: "I think that the accusation . is credible enough to require evidence - more than just words - in reply." But then the rumor fell apart. Photos surfaced of Sarah, clearly pregnant, going about her Gubernatorial duties in early 2008. It was also established that Bristol is five months pregnant right now - making the rumor a biological impossibility. "I shouldn't have dignified this with an email," my friend reported late on Sunday night. "At this point, I would say that [the Republicans] should let the rumors build up to a fever pitch before they squash them, to maximize the embarrassment." Except for a few British outlets, no mainstream media reported on the rumor - even before it had been debunked. The Daily Kos itself shut up about the subject from Monday onwards. But then, on Tuesday night - two full days after the rumor was killed - CBC's The National went live with it. "Sarah Palin was strangely absent from public view today," reporter Neil McDonald told viewers from the Republican convention in Minnesota. "The story surrounding her grew ever stranger, too." "It's baby Trig who's generating the questions," McDonald went on. "There are the pictures of [Sarah] Palin looking slim just weeks before the April birth. In March, the Anchorage Daily News reported that Palin 'simply doesn't look pregnant.' Then, there was the birth itself. Palin was in Texas on April 17 when her water broke, but she went ahead with a speech, then, rather than checking into a hospital, she headed back to Alaska." (The CBC provided a helpful map showing Palin's lengthy plane ride, with dramatic-sounding music.) "There is no record of the birth," McDonald added somewhat breathlessly. "Some suspect that Trig is actually Palin's grandson, and that Bristol, the now-pregnant teenage daughter, is the baby's real mother." All total nonsense, of course. Total taxpayer-funded nonsense. This is more than just a tiny factual slip-up. This was a marquee segment on the CBC's crown jewel - The National - delivered by the network's Washington correspondent at a major political event. How is it that McDonald would base his whole story on a political hoax that thousands of humble Web surfers like my friend had debunked a full two days earlier? Putting aside the role of McDonald - who has a history of left-wing smears - how did no one at the CBC catch this? As taxpayers, doesn't our $1-billion buy us a fact-checker or two? Left-wing bias from the CBC - that we expect. But rank amateurism is unforgivable. If this is the face of the mainstream media, maybe they won't miss us so much when we're gone. jkay@nationalpost.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:24:11 -0500 From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: RCMP urge gun owners to register and properly store weapons You wrote: > > >PUBLICATION: Times & Transcript (Moncton) >DATE: 2008.09.06 >SECTION: News;News >PAGE: A7 >WORD COUNT: 78 > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Police urge gun owners to properly store weapons > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >A recent rash of breaks into camps and private property in the McGraw >Brook area have prompted RCMP to encourage gun owners to ensure their >firearms are registered and properly stored and that any thefts are >reported to police. It seems some owners aren't reporting the loss because >the weapons weren't registered or properly stored, says a police officer. >Police don't want these weapons ending up in criminal hands, she says. > >-- The Miramichi Leader > > >http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/search/article/407150 > It is time the govenrment published the truth about how many gun owners there really are, how many don't have firearms licenses, and how many guns are not registered. Judging by the numbers of firearms manufactured in Canada and net number of imported and exported firearms there are as few as 14.5 million guns in Canada. It seems there is 50% compiance or less with the gun registry. Does anyone from the Department of Justice want to tell us the truth about compliance? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:35:58 -0400 From: TONY KATZ Subject: RE: "Tax and Spend Liberals," did someone say? Lee I am getting real tired of your anti conservative rants you haven't had any thing positive to contribute to this forum in a long time. I have always suspected you of being a liberal plant but no longer have any doubts at all. No politician will ever please me 100% of the time, heck I am happy if they can do better than 60%, but apparently the conservatives have no redeeming value at all in your eyes. Others have critiscised them too but usually over particular points of ideology and then they also propose alternatives but you have never had a good word to say even before they became the government. You have become tiersome and repetative. > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:28:47 -0400 > From: leejasper@amtelecom.net > Subject: "Tax and Spend Liberals," did someone say? > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > > [First it was seniors heavily invested in Income Trusts, then it was the > RFC who found chinks in the CPC armour via "Repeal C-68" not really > meaning "repeal" but instead 'enhanced licensing' and 'continuous > screening' and even the long gun amnesty still provides for back-door, > dealer-CFO-RCMP registration. Now the venerable CTF, the most rabid > conservative org in the Land, has raised the alarm]. > > Tory spending slammed > > By PETER ZIMONJIC, SUN MEDIA NATIONAL BUREAU > > http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/canadavotes/news/2008/09/06/6679551-sun.html > > OTTAWA -- Stephen Harper's Conservative government has promised $94 > million a day in spending initiatives since the start of June, according > to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. The watchdog says it has tracked > every government-spending announcement from June 2 until Sept. 4 and > says the government has promised $8.8 billion to Canadians. > > The promises include $297,000 for a ski club in Newfoundland and > Labrador, $350,000 for an ice cream company in P.E.I. and $2,000 for a > UFO festival in Nova Scotia. > > "Governments cannot be said to be spending prudently when they are > pushing spending announcements like this out the door in an attempt to > hit an election call deadline," said John Williamson, federal director > of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. > > "They are spending more than the Jean Chretien or the Paul Martin > Liberals and that speaks volumes to their commitment to spend > responsibly and root out waste," he said. > > Williamson's analysis lists more than 200 examples that include funding > for everything from museums and recreation centres to business > development initiatives and infrastructure projects. > > "This is the most scandalous and blatant attempt by any government in > history to buy votes at the last minute and it's the antithesis of what > they said they were going to be," said Thomas Mulcair, NDP finance critic. > > "Harper seems just as sleazy as the Liberals were before him and just as > shopworn and cynical at buying votes." > > The spending was also condemned by Liberals who suggested the > announcements were simply an attempt to bribe voters in advance of an > election. > > "This is a big, juicy broken promise," said John McCallum, the Liberal > finance critic. > > "The Harper government has consistently promised to limit spending to > inflation plus population growth and it has consistently missed that > target by billions of dollars." > > The government denied last night that the announcements were an attempt > to buy votes and insisted that every figure mentioned by the Canadian > Taxpayers Federation was budgeted and approved. > > "This is all previously announced, previously budgeted and previously > approved by parliament spending," said Chisholm Pothier, spokesperson > for Finance Minister Jim Flaherty. > > Williamson explained that much of what was on the list of expenditures > was already announced in previous budgets but stressed that Harper's > Conservatives had failed to claw back spending made by previous Liberal > governments. > > The Canadian Taxpayers Federation says that current Conservative > spending is two-and-a-half times what was promised in the 2008 budget. > > [I guess I can add this to my list of broken promises]. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:57:16 -0400 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Torstar election poll thestar.com Poll > http://www.thestar.com/# Early predictions on Sunday a.m.: Which party will you vote for in the October 14 federal election? Conservatives 277 34% Greens 79 9% Liberals 298 36% New Deomcrats 89 11% Undecided 64 7% ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 01:55:44 -0600 From: "murray" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #87 Re: "Only in the U.S.A. -- Pity" Many thanks to Paul Sepe for passing along Charlie Martin's question-and-answer piece on Sarah Palin. Very nice indeed to get some informative and clear-headed discourse on the (likely) next Vice-President of the United States. I'll be Sarah could deck Wendy Cukier with just a casual smack. Goddam I like women who hunt! 'Course, it does tend to help if they're also gorgeous. //jmb - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cdn-Firearms Digest" To: Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #87 > > Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, September 6 2008 Volume 12: Number 087 > > > > In this issue: > Re: The Quebec coroner's report on Dawson > "Tax and Spend Liberals," did someone say? > RE: Only in the U.S.A. - Pity! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- EDIT ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 08:28:31 -0700 From: "Willy Floyd" Subject: Opinion still valid after 4 years? A Large Barrel of Snakes Some have compared the imposition of Bill C 68 to a can of worms but I think that analogy needs modification. John Chrétien (remember him?) and Allan Rock reacted to the Montreal Massacre by bringing in a political ploy called the Firearms Act and thus, in their haste, introduced a large barrel of snakes, poisonous snakes at that. When they eventually started to release the snakes they suddenly realized that the head snake handlers were at the gravest risk so they slammed the lid shut and sat down on the barrel, wondering what went wrong. Several years later they are still sitting there, wondering. They can feel the seething mass of snakes underneath their butts and are deathly afraid to stand up because they will suffer that first fatal bite. So they sit there on their barrel of snakes, holding down the lid, uttering silly threats but unable to enforce their stupid and ill-conceived orders. They are equally unable to kill the snakes or to move out of danger. That first unavoidable bite to the ass of the snake handlers is called a Charter Challenge and they now know what the result will be. Who now has come to fear the snakes? Who now knows that they cannot sit there forever? We, the intended victims can sit back, unafraid. The snake handlers cannot! They have even stopped mouthing their silly threats, but the intended victims remember. Your move Paul! You are the chief snake charmer, n'est pas? Willy Floyd Western Rights Team August 2004 ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #89 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:drg.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)