Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, September 8 2008 Volume 12 : Number 097 In this issue: Weapons Sarah, on some issues EDUCATIONAL PROBLEMS & SOLUTIONS RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #94 Re: What will change? Canada votes on October 14 - Toronto Star RON PAUL SUPPORTERS MISTREATED DURING RNC CONVENTION ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:59:28 -0700 From: "Willy Floyd" Subject: Weapons Dave: I have lost my computer copy of the precis but I can provide a hard copy. Please send me a mailing address. Willy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:31:54 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Sarah, on some issues Sarah Palin on Civil Rights Click here for 13 full quotes on Civil Rights OR other candidates on Civil Rights OR background on Civil Rights. a.. Vetoed bill denying benefits to gays, as unconstitutional. (Aug 2008) b.. ADA brings expanded freedom to Americans with disabilities. (Jul 2008) c.. Recognize Juneteenth to celebrate the end of slavery. (Jun 2008) d.. HIV/AIDS among Alaska Natives is public health crisis. (Mar 2008) e.. Recognize Martin Luther King holiday. (Jan 2008) f.. Comply with same-sex partner benefits despite disagreement. (Dec 2006) g.. Marriage only be between and man and a woman. (Nov 2006) h.. Value our cultural diversity. (Nov 2006) i.. Prefers term "anti-rural" to "anti-Native". (Nov 2006) j.. Special legislative session on same-sex health benefits. (Nov 2006) k.. Ok to deny benefits to homosexual couples. (Aug 2006) l.. No spousal benefits for same-sex couples. (Jul 2006) m.. Top priorities include preserving definition of "marriage". (Jul 2006) Sarah Palin on Crime Click here for 12 full quotes on Crime OR other candidates on Crime OR background on Crime. a.. Establish "FBI Day" to support fighting global crime. (Jun 2008) b.. Register sex offenders; & investigate internet sex crimes. (Jun 2008) c.. Victims' rights are critical to "justice for all". (Mar 2008) d.. We are tough on crime and beefing up law enforcement. (Jan 2008) e.. Collect DNA samples from felons. (Jun 2007) f.. Gang members on probation must wear electronic monitors. (Jun 2007) g.. Maximum sentence for first-degree murder by police. (Apr 2007) h.. If legislature passed death penalty law, I would sign it. (Nov 2006) i.. Strong public safety presence, via police, courts & prisons. (Nov 2006) j.. Death penalty for adults who murder children. (Oct 2006) k.. No special hate-crime laws; all heinous crime is hate-based. (Jul 2006) l.. No expansion of gambling in Alaska. (Jul 2006) Sarah Palin on Gun Control Click here for 5 full quotes on Gun Control OR other candidates on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control. a.. Hunts and fishes, as did her father. (Aug 2008) b.. Hunts as much as she can; freezer-full of wild game. (Aug 2008) c.. Supports ending D.C.'s 32-year-old ban on handguns. (Jun 2008) d.. Lifelong NRA member & champion of right to bear arms. (Feb 2008) e.. Supports Constitutional right to bear arms. (Nov 2006) http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:55:13 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: EDUCATIONAL PROBLEMS & SOLUTIONS The National Education Association (NEA), wants kindergarten to begin at an ever earlier age. This is because they know a child's values are shaped during the earliest years of life, and they believe parents often instill "improper" (biblical or traditional) values in their children. http://www.newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennis137.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:59:44 -0400 From: "Jules Sobrian" Subject: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #94 Mike is no more shilling for the conservatives than I am. We are realists. There are no absolutes in politics. The bottom line is re-election, and you can't get re-elected if you piss off the majority, which is anti-gun. The CPC can't move on the gun issue until they have a majority. If you can't see or understand that, then you can continue yelling into the hurricane that is about to blow you away. Jules ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:49:29 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: What will change? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Gingrich" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: What will change? > Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:57:58 -0400 > From: "mred" > Subject: Re: CPC actions > > So what's the point ? we will be in the same situation we are now, if he > says parliament is now dysfunctional ? what will change ? > > ed/on > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > What will change? > > Several Conservative MP's will not be running again. Harper will have a > new folks to work with And this means what ?ed/on > > Fmr.Minister of National Revenue of Canada Carol Skelton, Minister of > Fisheries and Oceans Loyola Hearn, Vic Toews, Brian Fitzpatrick, Dave > Batters, Fmr Lieberal David Emerson, Harper announced that Bill Casey > will > not permitted to run as the party's candidate in the next election, > despite > being acclaimed by his riding association and having been elected as MP 5 > times. > > Perhaps there are more. Do MPs have a good retirement package? > > Yours in Tyranny, > Joe Gingrich > White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Canada votes on October 14 - Toronto Star http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/492313 Canada votes on October 14 Governor-General Michaelle Jean agrees to dissolve 39th parliament Sep 07, 2008 01:17 PM Comments on this story (151) Tonda MacCharles OTTAWA BUREAU OTTAWA – Canadians will go to the polls Tuesday, Oct. 14, the day after Thanksgiving, to vote for a new federal government. Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who had fixed the next federal election date in law as October 2009, pulled the plug on his own government a year early. Just hours after the campaign began, however, came news of the death of yet another Canadian soldier in Afghanistan. Sgt. Scott Shipway, the 97th soldier to die, was killed by a roadside improvised explosive device that also injured seven other Canadian soldiers. The seven injured are "in good condition," said Brig. Gen. Denis Thompson who announced Shipway's death. He said the young father was a week away from returning home after his second Afghanistan deployment. Thompson said no amount of equipment or technology can prevent determined insurgent bombers from building and planting even bigger explosives. "The situation is difficult and challenging. there's no question about that," said Thompson. The news underlined an unpredictable issue in the coming electoral campaign that could see the 100th Canadian soldier killed in the Afghan mission. It was not a central or strong theme in any of the opening speeches by federal party leaders who attempted today to frame what they want the "ballot question" for Canadians to be. But the election call itself was no surprise. At 20 minutes after 8 a.m., Harper drove in a four-car prime ministerial motorcade across the street from his 24 Sussex Drive residence to Rideau Hall and told Governor-General Michaelle Jean he needed a new mandate. The governor-general, as was expected, agreed to dissolve the 39th Parliament and to launch the 40th general election in Canada’s history. It was all but a formality. In fact, Harper announced the election via a written release to reporters nine minutes after he entered Rideau Hall, before he had emerged in person some 20 minutes later. He claimed Opposition parties had made it impossible for him to run his legislative agenda, and that Parliament was “dysfunctional.” “The frank reality is this parliament is at its useful end, and Canadians have to give somebody a mandate,” Harper later told reporters. “The Opposition doesn’t want to support us and the government does not want to change direction. That’s an impasse and the public should decide. Harper will run on his record, outlining the tax-cutting promises kept since the 2006 campaign, and slammed the Liberal "green shift" plan to tax carbon fuels and offset the impact with other income tax cuts and subsidies for hard-hit sectors and individuals as a risky gamble. "Between now and Oct. 14, Canadians will choose between a government to look out for their interests in a time of global economic trouble. They will choose between clear direction or uncertainty, between common sense or risky experiments, between steadiness or recklessness," said Harper. Harper claimed that although he does not believe anything other than a minority is in the offing for any party - he even entertained the possibility of an NDP government - but he insisted that a stronger minority win for him would give his party the authority to run its agenda. Liberal leader Stéphane Dion met reporters in the Commons foyer and said Harper has formed “the most conservative government in our history” which does not believe in “helping families” and failed to tackle the challenge of climate change. “They inherited a surplus of $12 billion which they have squandered in two and a half years, so we are almost back in deficit.” “I want to bring together the economy and the environment, because I know it’s possible…I want to bring down poverty by one-third in Canada…in one mandate,” said Dion. In Montreal, BQ leader Gilles Duceppe said the BQ could block a Conservative majority. Duceppe appealed to Quebeckers to vote for a BQ team that is for “Quebec first” and would provide strong opposition to conservative policies in Ottawa and wield the “true power of influence which permitted us to get concrete gains for Quebec families.” NDP leader Jack Layton opened his campaign in Gatineau, across the Ottawa River, with Parliament Hill in the background, promising “change.” “Stephen Harper announced he is quitting as prime minister, so today I’m announcing that I’m applying for his job,” Layton declared. Layton said he’d focus on “kitchen table” issues. He emphasized the economic pain felt by working families, the lack of family doctors in Canada, and the need to address climate change with an aggressive plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions. Layton said Canadians feel the “winds of change blowing south of the border” where the U.S. is in the midst of a hard-fought election. On foreign policy, he said, “we can say goodbye to the George Bush era in our own conduct abroad,” and pledged a greater focus on overseas development and diplomacy. “We’re offering…a vision that looks forward,” said Layton. Green Party leader Elizabeth May, who faces the biggest challenge to get an MP elected to Parliament for the first time ever, said many Canadians have “tuned out” of politics. But she said voters face a “critical decision.” “Now is the time to wake up,” she said, speaking in Guelph, where the party had been contesting a federal by-election, one of four that are now superseded by the general election call. May urged voters to reject the “cynicism” of the other parties and support her party, which she said will address climate change, “child poverty, world peace and nuclear disarmament.” “I beg you, do not sleep through this election.” Harper began to signal six weeks ago that he would force an election if he didn’t get a guarantee from three Opposition parties in Parliament they would not obstruct his agenda. Indeed, the five major federal parties contesting the election – Conservatives, Liberals, New Democrats, Bloc Québécois, and the Greens - had already begun to lay out their campaign messages in the past few weeks. The key issues all point to: leadership, the weak economy in the midst of global economic shifts, the environment, and the management of the war in Afghanistan. The governing Conservative party, and its leader, start the campaign with a lead in the most recent national opinion surveys, more money and an experienced campaigner in Harper, 49. Harper travels to Quebec City this afternoon. The Liberals, whose rookie leader Stéphane Dion, 52, is backed by a nervous and restive caucus, say they are ready. But Dion’s plane is not, and he will travel by bus for the first three days of the campaign, heading to Quebec late today. The NDP’s leader Jack Layton, 58, is an experienced campaigner, and plans to target electoral gains in B.C., Ontario and Quebec by attacking the Conservatives head-on, in contrast to past strategies of trying to pull away Liberal votes. Layton heads to Calgary later today, a Conservative stronghold where the party doesn’t expect to win a seat. The BQ’s Gilles Duceppe, 61, with his sights set only on Quebec seats, is in a tough fight with the party’s raison-d’etre – separatism – a cause that no longer gripping Quebeckers as a priority. The Green Party’s rookie leader Elizabeth May, 54, has shown herself a shrewd campaigner. She personally chose to fight high-profile cabinet minister Peter MacKay for his seat, made gains for the party in recent by-elections, brought in a sitting Independent MP (former fallen Liberal Blair Wilson) to the Green ranks, and is fighting for a place in the national televised debates. In the current308-seat House of Commons, the Conservatives held 127 seats, the Liberals 95, the Bloc 48 and the NDP 30. There were four independent MPs and four vacant seats. Independent Blair Wilson is running for the Green party. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:58:49 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: RON PAUL SUPPORTERS MISTREATED DURING RNC CONVENTION The Ron Paul movement has brought thousands of young people into the political process -- shouldn't the GOP find ways to welcome them rather than alienate them?" RON PAUL SUPPORTERS MISTREATED DURING RNC CONVENTION By NWV News Director, Jim Kouri Posted 1:00 AM Eastern September 8, 2008 © NewsWithViews.com While millions of Americans watched the 2008 Republican Convention on television, the well-staged event wasn't all peaceful and enthusiastic, according to several delegates attending the St. Paul, Minnesota event. Several delegates -- who are avowed Ron Paul supporters -- claim they were treated shabbily at best, harshly at worst. "While almost every other GOP contender for president was permitted to speak at the convention, Ron Paul was not. The word was that Paul was invited, with the natural caveat that he (like the other speakers) endorse McCain for president, which Paul was reportedly unwilling to do," said a McCain delegate from West Virginia. "Instead, Paul held a separate 'convention' for one afternoon at the Minneapolis Convention Center," said the WV delegate. The McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee were unnecessarily nervous about the presence of Ron Paul delegates at the XCel Energy Center, and sometimes that fact was reflected in unwarranted actions, such as someone yanking away a banner proclaiming the word "Liberty" being held by a handful of Paul delegates outside the building, according to several delegates. In fact, several told NewsWithViews.com that while the Rep. Paul delegates demonstrated little, if any, support for McCain throughout the convention - -- mostly sitting quietly on their hands while the rest of the crowd erupted around them -- they caused no problems and were respectful and polite, including the Paul delegates from West Virginia. "The Ron Paul movement has brought thousands of young people into the political process -- shouldn't the GOP find ways to welcome them rather than alienate them?" said "Patrick," a delegate and Ron Paul supporter from Maine. The Maine delegate claimed that these was probably a larger contingent of military and police than there were delegates and alternates. "Buses, each with an armed law enforcement officials [took] us from the hotel to the convention [center] each day. Upon arrival you go through two levels of electronic security like the airport. Once you arrive on the convention floor, they have security guards every ten feet facing the rows of delegates," said Patrick. Delegates were not allowed to speak throughout the convention. Periodically the security guards, would tell the delegates to rise and cheer. Prior to the convention, delegates were told no banners or signs would be allowed, several sources told NewsWithViews. At opening of the convention, the convention floor was flood with McCain banners. At different times, there were a large contingent of men with McCain baseball caps at the entranceway out of site at the entrances to the aisles. When former Democrat Joe Lieberman or one of the other McCain celebrities were introduced, the young men with red baseball caps were released and sent down the aisles to cheers and then returned to back of the convention floor to await the next cue to fill the aisle make it appear that the convention floor was filled. Several delegates complained that anything proposed by Rep. Ron Paul or his staff was not included in the list of platform resolutions. In addition, no Ron Paul delegate was allowed to serve on either the Platform Committee or the Rules Committee. "No delegate or alternate had an opportunity to read the rules because they were not made available until the start of the convention," said another Ron Paul supporter. "Thus the opportunity to offer floor amendments was impossible. As Ron Paul delegate, I was made to feel like a turd in punch bowl.....may have something to do with the large Ron Paul button I was wearing and my refusal to stand amidst all the cheering for folks like Joe Lieberman," said the Maine delegate. "When asked by the Maine delegation whip if I would vote for John McCain, I told them I would be voting for Ron Paul. His reply was [that] the Maine delegation would not announce 20 votes for John McCain and 1 for Ron Paul. Rather they would just announce 20 votes for McCain. Apparently, he felt that uttering Ron Paul's name would be giving Ron Paul too much publicity," said the angry delegate. "More than one delegate shared the view that control over the delegates speech and movements, along with the ever-present police, seemed somewhat intimidating," said political strategist Mike Baker "Were it not for the wonderful hospitality of the legion of Minneapolis and St. Paul volunteers and staff who catered to our every whim, this would have been a pretty dismal experience." "I guarantee you that none of John McCain supporters if there were any were mistreated at the Ron Paul's rally at Target Center in Minneapolis, Minn. This proofs that the Republican Party has lost it's way." added Baker © 2008 NWV - All Rights Reserved ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #97 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:drg.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)