Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, September 8 2008 Volume 12 : Number 104 In this issue: Re: shilling for whomever Re: FIREARMS CLIPPING SERVICE DISCONTINUED DURING ELECTION RE: Turning issue Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #94 So what you gonna do? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:16:59 -0400 From: "Al Muir" Subject: Re: shilling for whomever > Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:56:46 -0500 > From: 10x <10x@telus.net> > Subject: shilling for whomever > > At 08:59 AM 9/8/2008 -0400, you wrote: >> >> >>Mike is no more shilling for the conservatives than I am. We are >>realists. >>There are no absolutes in politics. The bottom line is re-election, and >>you can't get re-elected if you piss off the majority, which is anti-gun. >>The CPC can't move on the gun issue until they have a majority. If you >>can't see or understand that, then you can continue yelling into the >>hurricane that is about to blow you away. >> > > I spoke at length today to a member of parliament on the Campaign trail. > There are a number of M.P.s from ALL parties that want to see major > changes > to the Firearms Act. These M.P.s are muzzled by fear of THE MEDIA and the > PUBLIC SERVANTS who work in the Department of Justice and other government > departments. The media can destroy a political career A large part of our problem is those that want a political "career". That is why a vote for an individual MP that is on "our side" is really a vote only for a party. How many more Bill Casey's do you think are running for the Cons? Zero? One? with a few well > chosen words in a headline, then print a retraction on page 99 of the next > issue in 5 point type. > > Get to know your member of Parliament. I do and it is common knowledge that he would sell his soul for his "career". Talk to him about the firearms act > and why it - and sections 91 and 92 of the criminal code have to be > repealed. Do not cloud the issue by bringing up a second subject like > INCOME TRUSTS, AFGANISTAN, or MISSING TAX DOLLARS from the previous > government. > > Do not get angry, do not preach. Listen to the answers and concerns of > your M.P. about firearms. Elections are the times to listen to an MP's concerns? Boy did I get elections wrong, or did I? > > Don't offer or suggest solutions Why? > > If you donate to the C.P.C. do so at the riding level and make sure it is > to a candidate you KNOW is on your side regarding firearms. > > Put a note in with your donation expressing your desire that C24 is NOT > enough to deal with the problems in the Firearms act. > A donation even though you know C-24 is not acceptable? > Many Members Of Parliament are very familiar with the actions of the > provincial C.F.O.s regarding the misery these C.F.O.s are putting folks > who > attempt to comply with the legislation through. > > The LIberals have come up with a platform of more prohibitions of > firearms. > Apparently the Firearms Act they passed isn't working. > Apparently they think they can fix bad legislation by making more of it. > > Hopefully those who hunt ducks, big game, and shoot trap will realize that > Mr. Dion's definition of "Military assault firearms" just may include > their > favourite trap or hunting gun. Remember that your Lee Enfield, Rolling > block, Snyder, or Martini Henry was once a state of the art "Military > assault rifle" . As I said my semi auto 22 that I do not have a license to "own" is already prohibited and will be regardless of who is elected. Al ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:00:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: FIREARMS CLIPPING SERVICE DISCONTINUED DURING ELECTION - --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2 wrote: > From: Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2 > Subject: FIREARMS CLIPPING SERVICE DISCONTINUED DURING ELECTION > To: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" > Received: Monday, September 8, 2008, 12:54 PM > The Parliament of Canada Act provides that funds, goods, > services and facilities are to be used by Members "to > carry out their parliamentary functions," but not for > electoral purposes. What I think this means is that we are own for digging up newspaper stories and posting them to the CFD, for the duration of the election. This means *you*, too! Yours in LIBERTY! Bruce __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:31:47 -0700 From: "RFOCBC" Subject: RE: Turning issue There's that logic again. You state that, "Harper would be trying to win an election on an issue Canadians don't really care about." Why are you supposing that the CPC would fight an issue on 'the long gun registry' if 'Canadians don't really care about' it? Do you have some insight into Harper's mind? If so, please share. Re-reading your posts doesn't have any effect upon your 'logic'. Who cares WHY there is an election? (BTW, what is the reason? Stated or otherwise?) Would it matter if there was a 'confidence' issue over a gun issue or, as appears to be the case, just because? I can think of two-dozen POSSIBLE reasons - and maybe all of my opinions would miss the mark - there just might be something in the wind to which I (and the rest of the public) remain blissfully unaware. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca]On Behalf Of Douglas Bailey Sent: September 8, 2008 2:29 PM To: Canadian Fireams Digest Subject: Turning issue Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:49:48 -0700 From: "RFOCBC" Subject: RE: Think about it! From one paragraph to the next, you describe the "long-gun registry" firstly as being "the turning issue" and then as an issue that "the rest of the country could care less about". Well, what is it? It cannot be both. Unfortunately, this post is filled with similar logic. Go back and read my post again. If Harper took abolishing the long gun registry to a confidence vote, he would be defeated because of the line up of the opposition parties. That would make the abolishing of the long gun registry the turning issue; however, the public don't really care about the long gun registry, so Harper would be trying to win an election on an issue Canadians don't really care about. The long gun registry would be the issue that caused the election because the government would have been defeated on it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:42:19 -0400 From: "Al Muir" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #94 > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:59:44 -0400 > From: "Jules Sobrian" > Subject: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #94 > > Mike is no more shilling for the conservatives than I am. We are > realists. > There are no absolutes in politics. The bottom line is re-election, and > you can't get re-elected if you piss off the majority, which is anti-gun. > The CPC can't move on the gun issue until they have a majority. If you > can't see or understand that, then you can continue yelling into the > hurricane that is about to blow you away. > > Jules > Jules I have asked a number of times before with no answer but I will ask again. Given the Cons past performance I can see no indication that they will move on the gun issue. What evidence do you have that they will "move on the gun issue " ? Or are we supposed to hope for the best with no plan for the worst? What is your plan for the worst if they do not "move on the gun issue"? Al ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 20:22:00 -0400 From: "Jules Sobrian" Subject: So what you gonna do? So you vote Green or Libertarian to show those untrustworthy Conservatives on which side their bread is buttered. Hooray! Election day is over and the CPC loses by a margin of a million votes, just about the number of concerned gun owners who didn't vote Conservative. So the Liberals form the new government and promptly ban handguns and semi-automatic long guns. So you three wise men turn in your guns and buy golf clubs with the settlement money. What settlement money? Your hanguns and semi-autos are going to be confiscated. You are going to have to use your pension money to buy golf clubs and those expensive balls that you will be knocking into the alligator filled ponds. Gentlemen, your plan sucks. We will be better off to go with owner licensing with screening to rule out the Kimveer Gills of this world. We have to give something to the unwashed majority so we could have some freedom to pursue our sport. If you can't see that, the dog will be eating your breakfast the morning after the election. To all the saboteurs on the CFD, HAVE A NICE DAY. Jules ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #104 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:drg.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)