Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, September 19 2008 Volume 12 : Number 192 In this issue: Just a piece of paper? Re: position of prosecutors in alberta?? Straight-shooting Mayor Miller - NOW Magazine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:29:57 -0700 From: Len Miller Subject: Just a piece of paper? Cc: Vic Toews , Stock day , > Len asked : Where Oh where is OUR Charter?? > Alan Harper wrote: > > After Hitler signed the peace agreement with Neville Chamberlain=20 > Foreign > Minister Ribbentrop spoke to Hitler the first chance he got and told > Hitler that the agreement was a big mistake and that Hitler had signed > away too much. > Hitler's response was: > (you guessed it) > "Its just a piece of paper" > > Alan Harper > alan__harper@hotmail.com > SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM > ************************* > >> From: mred@295.ca >> To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca >> Subject: Re: Where Oh where is OUR Charter?? >> Date: Thu 18 Sep 2008 14:21:53 -0400 >> >> Its just a piece of paper Len. >> ed/on Yes I`d heard that one before Al but I was quoting GWBush about the US Constitution . he said the same thing . ed/on - -------------------------------------------------- Actually, folks . . GWB (the born again christian) said . ''IT'S JUST A GODDAMNED PIECE OF PAPER '' . So much for being a 'christian' . . Results 1 - 10 of about 448,000 for ''IT'S JUST A GODDAMNED PIECE OF PAPER '' .. (0.15 seconds) Search Results Capitol Hill Blue's The Rant: Bush on the Constitution: A ...5 Dec 2005 ... "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!" This information comes from three West Wing sources who say a fourth White House employee in the ... www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml Cached - Similar pages ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:26:41 -0400 From: "mred" Subject: Re: position of prosecutors in alberta?? this says it all~!..ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Len Miller" To: "Cdn" Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: position of prosecutors in alberta?? > To: Nina Rivet > Cc: Jon Mccomb , > Wally Craig , > Sandra@F.A.C.T. , > Stock day , > > > From: maria@arthangermp.com > Subject: RE: Requested article > Date: September 19, 2008 9:21:56 PDT > To: roadrunner144@telus.net > > You may wish to go to www.calgarysun.com to obtain the original copy of > the article - but it's the same as below. > > > "By ART HANGER, MP > > As a former police officer I focused mainly on criminal justice issues > during my career as a Member of Parliament: How to influence the > legislative process, protect the innocent and hold the guilty to account. > > Yes, there have been some positive changes over the years, but not many. > > In my opinion, there is an ever-growing deficiency in applying some > very basic common sense principles relating to policing, the judiciary, > and corrections. > > To begin with, our courts view the judicial process as being more > important than the truth. The police continue to be handcuffed by > legislation filtered through the lens of the Charter of Rights and > Freedoms and higher court rulings that restrict their ability to > investigate, gather evidence, interrogate alleged suspects and > successfully conclude criminal cases. > > Police efficacy takes a back seat to the rights of the offender or > suspect, which in my view directly violates one of the basic principles of > policing: > > *A test of police success is the absence of crime and disorder not the > visible evidence of police action dealing with it. > (* Peel's Principals of Policing . Len ) > > Our country has ventured a long way from law and order. In fact there > is a growing lawlessness that is often excused by politicians, members of > the judiciary and some academics. > > Another fundamental principle government has not taken into account > adequately deals directly with the lawbreaker. The majority of criminal > rights advocacy groups, civil liberty lawyers and academic specialists > place little emphasis on the personal accountability and responsibility of > the offender. > > To them, the offender is more a product of his environment, whose actions > should therefore be excused by the courts. Throw in a good dose of > race-based exemptions and we end up with laws unequally applied. > > Victims of crime are understandably left with the stench of injustice > and confidence in our system is quickly lost. > > Offenders in our jails and prisons should not be evaluated on the basis > of excusing their behaviour to correct their unrestrained conduct, but to > use the tools of corrections (punishment) as a means to send them on a new > path. > > So many in authority today overlook or reject the concept that there > should be negative consequences to negative acts. > > In fact, if the offender's "soul" is deemed immeasurably important (and > it should be) then every program and every action taken by the authorities > should be managed and directed with the intent to save him from personal > disaster and the high probability of recidivism. > > Hard work, discipline, on-the-job training and merit release should be > the focus of the correctional facilities today. These disciplines would > build a sense responsibility, accountability and respect. Unfortunately, > not much of this is happening inside our jails. > > Years of liberalism have spoiled true correction and most offenders, > jail-house lawyers and politicians see the coddling as a sense of > entitlement. > > As I wind up the last weeks of my parliamentary career I will be listening > carefully for the sound of today's leaders talking about real justice > reform. > > Unless they speak about a wholesale makeover of the system -- starting > with the premise that a criminal is a criminal because he chose to commit > a crime -- I will not hold out much hope that they will do anything much > but talk. > > I firmly believe the vast majority of Canadians recognize the justice > system fails victims and favours criminals. > > My hope is every one of our local candidates gets that message." > > > Best Regards, > > Maria > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Len Miller [mailto:roadrunner144@telus.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:35 PM > To: Maria Sbert > Subject: Re: Requested article > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:57:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Straight-shooting Mayor Miller - NOW Magazine http://www.nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=164991 Straight-shooting Mayor Miller Special report: banning handguns in Canada David Miller unloads on why his campaign to ban handguns has become a personal crusade NOW | September 17-24, 2008 | VOL 28 NO 3 =20 Mayor David Miller tells NOW why he's launched a campaign for a federal ban on handguns. IT'S PERSONAL I'm doing this for the families of those killed by gun violence. Every single time I go to the visitations, a mom asks me to do everything in my power to stop it. I've looked a lot of moms in the eye, and I take this very seriously. When I heard deputations from families at City Hall hearings, I just couldn't keep the tears out of my eyes. I put my head down so people couldn't see. A GUN BAN'S JUST THE START We can't have this discussion separate from social justice development strategies. If you just get rid of the guns and don't deal with social justice, where are you? If you deal with social justice and you can't reassure people in neighbourhoods that they can be safe, you can't get anywhere either. We started with a plan: we hired more police for the streets, then more community workers, then made the call for a federal handgun ban. We need real change. A young person from Jane-Finch who has never been down to Bay Street is disconnected from that part of society. That's what we're trying to solve with our neighbourhood partnership. Then there are the neighbourhood action teams and the work we're doing in priority areas to bring hope and jobs to young people. There are lots of stories of people making changes in their own lives. Crime is down in Toronto in every category in the last two years. What hasn't been dealt with is guns. SO MUCH TO GAIN I find it puzzling that Canadians think we have gun laws. The collector law is outrageous. You can own as many guns as you want. That's literally crazy. The gun lobby are like climate change deniers. They say that in England when gun laws were enacted, crime got worse. It's not true. There's a direct correlation between how strict your gun laws are and how dangerous your society is. When handgun laws are weak, there are significantly more domestic assaults, significantly more murders, significantly more suicides, significantly more accidental deaths. That's a fact. This has been proven again and again in public health studies all over the world. A gun makes a situation that is bad a tragedy. Always. WHO ARE WE ANYWAY? A handgun ban is a moral statement of who we are: do we value safety or do we value this incredibly dangerous hobby? Some people think handguns are designed for sport. They're not. They're designed to kill. One of the things that makes us proud in Toronto is that we're prosperous and we're equitable and we're a city of social justice. And that we're safe - that's one of our core beliefs. We're not a gun-owning, gun-toting society. But, in fact, because of the laws, we really are. letters@nowtoronto.com ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #192 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:drg.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)