Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, December 7 2008 Volume 12 : Number 758 In this issue: Re: "another bloody rule maker ...?" (CFD V12 #754) Re: PM partisan, passionate and profane Maybe Harper's not as smart as we thought? Learn, not just remember [re: Let's never forget this anniversary] Re: Export and Illegal gun sales in the U.S. RE: Canada's toll in Afghan skewed *NFR* Fw: Thank you! Re: Maybe Harper's not as smart as we thought? Rallies for Cities Across the Country Today- Saskatoon Homepage.ca Thunder Bay- NOSA wades into political showdown over gun registry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 02:08:50 -0500 From: "William Blasius" Subject: Re: "another bloody rule maker ...?" (CFD V12 #754) On 6 Dec 2008, "Todd Birch" wrote: > > Those who chose not to exercise their right to vote for whatever reason > have forfeited the right to complain about the outcome of the election. > > They had nothing at stake as mere observers and not participants. > > Since there is no provision on a ballot for 'none of the above', the only > option for dissent is not to vote. This makes it easier for those that can > get the vote out for their party. I have to disagree. If I see no acceptable candidate, I'll still show up at the poll and spoil my ballot. That shows up as a separate category in the statistics. No lying statistician is going to use my not voting to prove I don't care about the outcome of the election! They might try to put me into the part of the electorate confused by the complications of voting, though. Wm Blasius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:33:13 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: PM partisan, passionate and profane - --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Lee Jasper wrote: > From: Lee Jasper > Subject: PM partisan, passionate and profane > To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" > Received: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 4:31 PM > [Wouldn't want such an obstinate person steering my ship > through a > minefield]. > > PM partisan, passionate and profane > Political crisis reveals a man who still finds it difficult > to take > counsel or admit his mistakes > > December 06, 2008; Robert Benzie; Queen's Park Bureau > Chief > > > http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/549448 Lee, this is the Toronto "Red" Star you're looking at. You notice not one supposed "Tory insider" is actually named? What other rag could publish a menage of bile without any actual sources, and get away with it? Yours in LIBERTY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 10:30:45 -0600 From: Edward Hudson Subject: Maybe Harper's not as smart as we thought? Maybe Harper's not as smart as we thought But now, in the words of the Welsh dramatist Emyln Williams, "That man is so stupid it sits on him like a halo. " HARRY BRUCE Sun. Dec 7 - 4:46 AM http://thechronicleherald.ca/NovaScotian/1094669.html MAY WE AT LAST stop hearing from assorted pundits that, no matter how mean, suspicious and insensitive Stephen Harper appears to be, he is at least smart? If you’re the prime minister of a minority government in a democracy, you can’t possibly be thoroughly unlikable and, at the same time, smart. Not for long anyway. Harper is politically stupid. There, I said it, and I’m glad. No, I’m not a card-carrying NDPer or Liberal. I’ve attacked Pierre Trudeau, Jean Chretien and Paul Martin in my time, and praised Robert Stanfield, Flora MacDonald, Joe Clark and even certain achievements of Brian Mulroney. Among our political leaders of the last half-century, however, Harper strikes me as uniquely beastly. "He’s the man who allowed his staff to accuse Paul Martin of being soft on child porn," NDP activist Gerald Caplan says. "He’s the man who accused Stephane Dion of caring more for Taliban prisoners than Canadian soldiers. He’s the one who suggested that those who disagree with his Afghanistan policy are traitors. This is the man who smeared a Liberal MP by insinuating his family was linked to terrorism." This is also the man who accused Dion of "cheering" for a recession that would advance his political career; the leader whose henchmen concocted TV footage of a puffin pooping on Dion; and the prime minister whose cheap shot about the Liberals’ concern for Taliban prisoners inspired Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe to compare him to U.S. President George W. Bush. "That’s the same logic as Bush," Duceppe said. "You’re with me or against me. If you’re against me, you’re with the enemy. If you’re with the enemy, you support the Taliban." "Mr. Harper, like Richard Nixon and George W. Bush," Caplan concludes, "harbours deep, unfathomable resentments that lead him to lash out in ways that are far beyond the usual Canadian standards of dirty play. This barely constrained fury leads him to believe he’s justified in saying anything to mortally wound his enemies — and, in his eyes, he has enemies, not opponents." This is the man who, with his barely constrained fury, reacted to criticism of his government’s cuts to arts programs by claiming that "ordinary people" had to put up with seeing on TV a bunch of whining artists "at a rich gala, all subsidized by taxpayers, claiming their subsidies aren’t high enough." The slashing of certain cultural programs, and the contempt for workers in the cultural industries that Harper so bluntly expressed just before the last election, offended voters in Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal and throughout Quebec, and may well have cost him the majority government he so desperately craves. If that didn’t do it, the stock market tip he offered on national television did. With Canada plunging into the worst economic quicksand in 75 years, millions of its people losing jobs, seeing their retirement savings vanish or fretting over how long they’d be able to pay their mortgages while buying food and fuel, our prime minister cheerfully talks up "some great buying opportunities out there." Yes sir, he says, when stock markets go down, "people end up passing on a lot of things that are underpriced." "I think there are probably some gains to be made in the stock market. That’s my own view." I think there were probably some losses to be made among voters and that Harper had just incurred them. That’s my own view. OK. So he fails to get his majority. At least he wins. He’s the head of a minority government. Then, after just six weeks in power, with a move that deserves a gold medal for stupidity, he blows even that. His government presents an economic update that not only fails to promise a speedy effort to tackle the economic crisis, but also proposes, as a cost-cutting measure, the abolition of the modest public subsidies that are essential to the survival of every political party but his own. Simply to cripple the parties who exercise their democratic right to oppose him in the Commons, he tries to exploit an economic meltdown that threatens the well-being of the entire nation. That’s not just stupidity. It’s a combination of stupidity and meanness that’s peculiarly Harperesque. Not surprisingly, a weird coalition rose up against him. A tri-party gang, which promises to be pricklier than any porcupine, may still replace his government and then run Canada in heaven only knows what fashion. Thank you, Stephen Harper. You fooled some of the pundits some of the time. But now, in the words of the Welsh dramatist Emyln Williams, your stupidity sits on you "like a halo." Harry Bruce has been covering Canadian politics for more than 40 years. THE CORN IS GREEN A COMEDY IN THREE ACTS BY EMLYN WI LLI AMS RANDOM HOUSE NEW YORK http://www.archive.org/stream/corningreen011151mbp/corningreen011151mbp_djvu.txt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:39:42 -0400 From: "M.J. Ackermann, MD" Subject: Learn, not just remember [re: Let's never forget this anniversary] To: sclairmont@thespec.com Dear Ms. Clairmont, Remembering an event without learning from it is useless symbolism. Since Gamil Gharbi's rampage at the Ecole Polytechnique, billions of dollars have been wasted on registering and banning inanimate objects while precious little has been done to identify and treat those at risk of committing of such acts of horror and even less has been done to encourage, train, and equip the potential victims of violence for effective self defense. All the while the Canadian crime industry (AKA the "Justice" System) continues to release violent repeat offenders so that they can commit more crimes. It has been repeatedly shown that as soon as a mass murderer comes under effective return fire, he must stop slaughtering the innocent and instead spends all his time trying to prevent himself from being arrested. As soon as he believes his game is up, he will commit suicide. In every case where there are no armed citizens present at the outset of an attack, 911 is called and then dozens are killed while waiting the rest of their lives for someone to bring a gun to their aid. Conversely, in those more sensible states where citizens are trusted with their own protection, mass killers are stopped after only a couple of shots fired, resulting in minimal loss of life. Because it is the criminal who gets to choose the time, place, and ,manner of assault, there is no chance the police can be there when he strikes. Even when they are there, as in the Virginia Tech attack, three dozen people were killed while the cops were busy at the scene of the first deaths. Only individual citizens, screened and trained to the same standard as a police officer, have a hope of stopping a crazed madman in a timely and effective manner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaiAFfNceyo Personal self defense is every woman's right. It should be the number one feminist issue. Think about it. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Box 13, 120 Cameron Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca "Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:58:47 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Export and Illegal gun sales in the U.S. - --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Lee Jasper wrote: > Summary of the Report: > > http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/trace/analysis.shtml "Part Five examines the relationship of a state's crime gun exports to its crime gun imports and finds that states with high crime gun export rates typically export far more guns than they import. This finding bolsters the notion that, within states with high export rates, ready access to crime guns reduces the need for crime gun imports." I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that states that have the highest "import" ratios also have the strictest infringements on the general population's ability to defend themselves... Yours in LIBERTY! Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 05:28:46 -0500 From: "Mark L Horstead" Subject: RE: Canada's toll in Afghan skewed *NFR* > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca] On Behalf Of Lee Jasper > Sent: 5-Dec-08 23:13 > To: Canadian Firearms Digest > Subject: Canada's toll in Afghan skewed *NFR* > > Military deaths in Afghanistan for Canada, other coalition countries > > By THE CANADIAN PRESS; 5th December 2008 > > > http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2008/12/05/7646721.html > > Here at a glance are countries with significant military > forces on the Afghanistan mission and their military deaths. > Troop strengths listed include those in Afghanistan as well > as support elements in the nearby regions outside the > country. There is usually a time lag between when a death > occurs and when it's announced, and governments issue the > releases separately. The death toll might be regarded as an > "at least" figure at any one time. > > United States: 33,000 troops; 556 deaths. > > Britain: 7,800 troops; 125 deaths. > > Canada: 2,500 troops; 100 deaths. > > Germany: 3,200 troops; 28 deaths. > > Spain: 800 troops; 25 deaths. > > France: 2,000 troops; 22 deaths. > > Netherlands: 1,500 troops; 17 deaths. I'd just like to point out that we, here, do not even think of doing such comparisons. It's a team effort, and we feel each other's pain when deaths occur. There is a bond between us all. There was a huge turnout from the all contingents, including smaller ones not listed above (Australians, Bulgarians, Danes, Czechs, Romanians, Poles, Slovaks, Belgians, and others) here in KAF for the ramp ceremony this evening, including civilian support staff. You probably won't see them on television, because they were all behind us. We will be there for them when they suffer losses as well. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:46:22 -0600 From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: Fw: Thank you! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Taylor Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008 10:51 pm Subject: Thank you! If you were able to make it out to one of the over 20 rallies across Canada today, I wanted to extend my personal thanks for making this national event successful. You are contributing to the debate they didn't want us to have, making the noise they didn't want Canada to hear and showing your pride in our democracy to those who would dismiss it. You are part of this national movement! They heard us today!! After you've had a chance to wind down from such an amazing day and grab some hot chocolate, I'd be happy to get an email from you telling me an observation from the rally or your story from the day. Send your photos and video too! You can also upload them to our RallyforCanada photo pool at http://www.flickr.com/groups/962003@N21/ In the coming days and weeks, I'll be in touch. The threat of an unelected coalition is still on the horizon and we may have to show our strength in numbers again! Keep checking the; http://www.rallyforcanada.ca - - for updates. My many thanks, Stephen Taylor http://www.rallyforcanada.ca http://www.stephentaylor.ca PS - If you brought friends and family to the rally today, be sure to have them sign up with our movement at; http://www.rallyforcanada.ca This message was sent by: Stephen Taylor, 200-8 York st., Ottawa, Ontario K1N 5S6, Canada Powered by iContact: http://freetrial.icontact.com Manage your subscription: http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=72898324&l=149312&s=XQOC&m=831977&c=375010 Forward to a friend: http://app.icontact.com/icp/sub/forward?m=831977&s=72898324&c=XQOC&cid=375010 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:25:51 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Maybe Harper's not as smart as we thought? To: "DAVID SWEET" , "ELIZABETH MAY" , "GARY BREITKREUZ" , "JACK LAYTON" , "GILLES DUCEPPE" , "STEPHEN HARPER" , "STOCKWELL DAY" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Hudson" To: "Digest Firearms" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 11:30 AM Subject: Maybe Harper's not as smart as we thought? > Maybe Harper's not as smart as we thought > > But now, in the words of the Welsh dramatist Emyln Williams, > "That man is so stupid it sits on him like a halo. " > > HARRY BRUCE > Sun. Dec 7 - 4:46 AM > http://thechronicleherald.ca/NovaScotian/1094669.html > MAY WE AT LAST stop hearing from assorted pundits that, no matter how > mean, suspicious and insensitive Stephen Harper appears to be, he is > at least smart? > > > If you’re the prime minister of a minority government in a democracy, > you can’t possibly be thoroughly unlikable and, at the same time, > smart. Not for long anyway. > > Harper is politically stupid. There, I said it, and I’m glad. > > No, I’m not a card-carrying NDPer or Liberal. I’ve attacked Pierre > Trudeau, Jean Chretien and Paul Martin in my time, and praised Robert > Stanfield, Flora MacDonald, Joe Clark and even certain achievements of > Brian Mulroney. > > Among our political leaders of the last half-century, however, Harper > strikes me as uniquely beastly. > > "He’s the man who allowed his staff to accuse Paul Martin of being > soft on child porn," NDP activist Gerald Caplan says. the truth hurts . > "He’s the man who accused Stephane Dion of caring more for Taliban > prisoners than Canadian soldiers. again the truth hurts He’s the one who suggested that; > those who disagree with his Afghanistan policy are traitors. This is > the man who smeared a Liberal MP by insinuating his family was linked > to terrorism." How do you know ? theyre not ? > This is also the man who accused Dion of "cheering" for a recession > that would advance his political career; the leader whose henchmen > concocted TV footage of a puffin pooping on Dion; and the prime > minister whose cheap shot about the Liberals’ concern for Taliban > prisoners inspired Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe to compare him > to U.S. President George W. Bush. > > "That’s the same logic as Bush," Duceppe said. "You’re with me or > against me. If you’re against me, you’re with the enemy. If you’re > with the enemy, you support the Taliban." Wait a minute, Gilles Duceppe is a traitor and we`re supposed to take anything HE says at face value ??? > "Mr. Harper, like Richard Nixon and George W. Bush," Caplan concludes, > "harbours deep, unfathomable resentments that lead him to lash out in > ways that are far beyond the usual Canadian standards of dirty play. > This barely constrained fury leads him to believe he’s justified in > saying anything to mortally wound his enemies — and, in his eyes, he > has enemies, not opponents." If you can succeed by wounding your enemies why not > the Lieberals did the same thing when they had power for 12 years. > This is the man who, with his barely constrained fury, reacted to > criticism of his government’s cuts to arts programs by claiming that > "ordinary people" had to put up with seeing on TV a bunch of whining > artists "at a rich gala, all subsidized by taxpayers, claiming their > subsidies aren’t high enough." MY goodness but the truth hurts doesent it ? > The slashing of certain cultural programs, and the contempt for > workers in the cultural industries that Harper so bluntly expressed > just before the last election, offended voters in Vancouver, Toronto, > Montreal and throughout Quebec, and may well have cost him the > majority government he so desperately craves. Well maybe they should get out and get a REAL job ? > If that didn’t do it, the stock market tip he offered on national > television did. With Canada plunging into the worst economic quicksand > in 75 years, millions of its people losing jobs, seeing their > retirement savings vanish or fretting over how long they’d be able to > pay their mortgages while buying food and fuel, our prime minister > cheerfully talks up "some great buying opportunities out there." > > Yes sir, he says, when stock markets go down, "people end up passing > on a lot of things that are underpriced." Warren Buffet seems to agree with him and he is seldom wrong? > "I think there are probably some gains to be made in the stock market. > That’s my own view." > > I think there were probably some losses to be made among voters and > that Harper had just incurred them. That’s my own view. > > OK. So he fails to get his majority. At least he wins. He’s the head > of a minority government. Then, after just six weeks in power, with a > move that deserves a gold medal for stupidity, he blows even that. > > His government presents an economic update that not only fails to > promise a speedy effort to tackle the economic crisis, but also > proposes, as a cost-cutting measure, the abolition of the modest > public subsidies that are essential to the survival of every political > party but his own. > > Simply to cripple the parties who exercise their democratic right to > oppose him in the Commons, he tries to exploit an economic meltdown > that threatens the well-being of the entire nation. Wrong again in part >it was to show unemployed Canadians empathy with their plight and the fact that the opposition cant survive withoput sucking at the taxpayers teat is an indication that they are totally useless because they cant raise voluntary funds for survival. And the coalition absolutely refused to cut their percs and wages as Harper suggested to empathize with Canadians . Its going to be a tough XMas for the unemployed ; how tough is it going to be for the MP`s with their percs and tax free benefits >? > That’s not just stupidity. It’s a combination of stupidity and > meanness that’s peculiarly Harperesque. > > Not surprisingly, a weird coalition rose up against him. A tri-party > gang, which promises to be pricklier than any porcupine, may still > replace his government and then run Canada in heaven only knows what > fashion. That was the plan all along in my view , create a situation where the opposition couldnt do anything less ? thereby alienating most Canadians against them and moving their support to the CPC. > Thank you, Stephen Harper. You fooled some of the pundits some of the > time. > > But now, in the words of the Welsh dramatist Emyln Williams, your > stupidity sits on you "like a halo." > > Harry Bruce has been covering Canadian politics for more than 40 years. > Well if he is stupid ? hes stupid like a fox, because chances are ? he will get a majority in the next election, not because Canadians are in love with the CPC but they so detest the tyrannical dictatorship proposed by the Coalition. E.MACHEL ANCASTER,ONT. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:38:51 -0600 From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: Rallies for Cities Across the Country Today- Saskatoon Homepage.ca Rallies for Cities Across the Country Today http://www.saskatoonhomepage.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15343&Itemid=374 Saturday, 06 December 2008 Rallies, against a coalition government took place around the country today (Sat). In Saskatoon the rally was at City Hall from noon to 2. About a hundred turned out, in the cold, chanting a Pink Floyd tune with altered lyrics, "We don't need no coalition, no dirty backroom politicians, Dion, leave our votes alone." On the other hand, there were about ten people out supporting the coalition plan. The two sides faced off, trying to out-chant one another, in a noisy, but peaceful protest. To see video footage of the rally, check it out below. Homepage Video- Video Gallery http://www.saskatoonhomepage.ca/index.php?option=com_xeyougallery&Itemid=462 Copyright © 2005 - 2008 Saskatoon Homepage.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:05:37 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Thunder Bay- NOSA wades into political showdown over gun registry http://www.chroniclejournal.com/stories_local.php?id=3D151192 NOSA wades into political showdown over gun registry By BRYAN MEADOWS Thursday, December 4, 2008 The Thunder Bay-based Northwestern Ontario Sportsmen's Alliance has stepped into the political fray, claiming that the proposed federal coalition will hurt gun owners if it forms a government. "At this time of political uncertainty, gun owners do in fact have much to be concerned about," NOSA executive director John Kaplanis said Wednesday. Kaplanis was referring to an open letter to gun owners and outdoor enthusiasts from Yorkton-Melville MP Garry Breitkreuz which "implores" them to become involved by letting the coalition parties know that Canada's gun owners will refuse to recognize the proposed coalition as a bona fide government. "The Liberals created the gun registry, and the NDP and Bloc Quebecois support its maintenance and continuation. Our future under this coalition is anything but bright," Breitkreuz writes. "Firearm owners must act now or face the consequences. Law abiding gun owners of handguns and semi-autos will become criminals overnight if the opposition parties have their way," he said. "The recent amalgamation of three opposition parties is the worst possible news for all who share the vision of abolishing the firearms registry." Kaplanis agreed. "Wouldn;t it be ironic that we allowed the NDP and Liberals to maintain ground in Northwestern Ontario, only to have these two along with the Bloc Quebecois come along and turn us all into criminals within the next few weeks," Kaplanis said. "Legitimate gun owners can't allow that to happen. If you feel that a coalition government is not in the best interest of gun owners, then action is needed by you now," he said, explaining that "people need to contact their MPs and let them know how they feel." ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #758 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:drg.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)