Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, December 25 2008 Volume 12 : Number 894 In this issue: Sniper video ***Extremely Graphic Content*** Merry Christmas U.S. : Police: Ex-Utah State Trooper Sought in Dallas Shootings Re: Edmonton boy, 7, fatally stabbed by younger brother RE: Private Armies Re: Sniper video ***Extremely Graphic Content*** RE: Private Armies Pa. mom sentenced for helping son get weapons Re: Sniper video ***Extremely Graphic Content*** [JAP] LETTER - Worst effect of gun control CTV - Police raid gang home: drugs and weapons seized Plaxico Burress on Gun Safety Tis the season for silliness *NFR* Re: YES - It is Brass Monkey Weather! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:33:43 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Sniper video ***Extremely Graphic Content*** Todd's note about the 'Big 50' twigged me to post this item. I debated about passing it on. But it IS the 'real' world. Many cheered the event. Extremely Graphic Content. > http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/25417.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:52:49 -0500 From: Keith Subject: Merry Christmas As this is indeed Christmas Evening Merry Christmas to all And to All a Good Night May your groups be small May your health be tolerable May your wealth be comfortable And your joy and appreciation of your fellow humans without bound!!! Keith ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Cheers! - - DRGJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:55:50 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: U.S. : Police: Ex-Utah State Trooper Sought in Dallas Shootings http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,472124,00.html Police: Ex-Utah State Trooper Sought in Dallas Shootings Tuesday, December 23, 2008 DALLAS - A man suspected in a series of rush hour shootings near Dallas is a former Utah state trooper wanted on burglary and robbery warrants who apparently shot himself after a stand-off with police, authorities said Tuesday. Brian Smith, 37, killed at least one of the victims of Monday's shootings, Dallas police Lt. Craig Miller said. Investigators tied Smith to a killing in Dallas because by matching the bullets found at the standoff, he said. "We feel safe in saying (Smith) ... was the shooter," Miller said. Dallas police declined to comment on a second death in neighboring Garland, where the standoff took place, because it was out of their jurisdiction. Garland police spokesman Joe Harn said his department has not been able to make a definitive connection between Smith and the killing there, but acknowledged that he fit the description of the highway shooter: a balding, 40ish white man. "We certainly hope it is him," Harn said. "But we are going to have to see more concrete evidence." Two people were shot and killed and another person was injured by broken glass in four shootings along or near a Dallas-area highway Monday evening. Police believe the victims were selected at random. Smith was in critical condition Tuesday night at a Dallas hospital from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Police said he shot himself in the head early Tuesday morning after a brief standoff more than six hours after the shooting spree ended. Smith had been a Utah state trooper since 1996 but retired in May because of "personal issues," said Sgt. Jeff Nigbur, a spokesman for the Utah Department of Public Safety. The crime spree appears to have begun in Garland, where a man police identified as Smith jumped over a pharmacy counter at a grocery store and stole Oxycontin pills. Minutes later, the first shooting happened in Garland when a driver pulled up alongside a small Nissan stopped at a red light and began shooting, Harn said. The Nissan's driver, 20-year-old Jorge "George" Lopez of Rowlett, was killed. Minutes later on the same highway, a gunman shot and killed 42-year-old William Scott Miller, the driver of a United Van Lines rig, police Lt. Craig Miller said. Police said the driver, who was about to fly home to his wife and two young daughters in Frankfort, Ky., for the holidays, was able to bring his truck safely to a stop before he died. "The act he did in and of itself I consider to be heroic," Lt. Miller said. "Despite being mortally wounded, he was able to control his rig to the point where other drivers weren't injured." After the shooting of Miller, another semitrailer was fired upon a half-mile away on the same interstate. The driver, 46-year-old Gary Roberts, was injured by debris and glass but not struck by any bullets. His right eye was hit by shattered glass and he needed several stitches in his fingers, said Bedford Wilhite, who works with Roberts at Dugan Truck Line. Roberts is home recuperating after being treated at a hospital, Wilhite said. Roberts, who has worked for Dugan for about a year, told Wilhite he is "much blessed and thankful to be alive." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:00:18 -0600 From: 10x <10x@telus.net> Subject: Re: Edmonton boy, 7, fatally stabbed by younger brother At 11:07 PM 12/23/2008 -0500, you wrote: > > >[4, 5, 12]? > >Edmonton boy, 7, fatally stabbed by younger brother > >The Canadian Press; December 23, 2008 > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081223.wstab1223/BNStory/National/home > >EDMONTON - Police say a seven-year-old Edmonton boy was stabbed to death >by his younger brother during a fight. > >The victim, whose name has not been released, died in hospital after the >scuffle in a north-end residence last Sunday. > >An autopsy has determined that he was stabbed in the chest. > >Edmonton police say his ***brother, who is under the age of 12,*** will >not be charged. > >CTV Edmonton has reported that the brother is only **four years old*** >and that the stabbing happened during a fight over a toy. > >The boy's family is getting assistance from the police victim service's >unit to help them cope with the death. Now if the boy had been shot by his brother with a carelessly stored handgun someone in the family would be facing criminal charges under the current firearms act and criminal code. The little boy was stabbed to death with a carelessly stored sharp object. There is no mention of control of sharp objects. Now why would the owner of a gun be to blame for a accidental shooting resulting from "careless storage" and the owner of the sharp object used in this incident is getting help from police victims services? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:25:59 -0500 From: "Mark L Horstead" Subject: RE: Private Armies > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca] On Behalf Of > Clive Edwards > Sent: 22-Dec-08 21:59 > To: cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca > Subject: RE: Private Armies > > > It is _unarmed humanitarian_ assistance only. > > Think about it. > > Do you really believe that the US would let ANY foreign > troops act against its citizens in any way, shape, or form as > you suggest? Do you really think that the few that we could > provide to support such a nuthatch notion could have any > effect, let alone survive? Do you really think that a > commander in full possession of his faculties would accept > such an order, knowing it to be both morally wrong and > suicidal? Do you really think that any troops would go along with it > > Mark > > -- -- > > I have to disagree with you, Mark. During Hurricane Katrina > armed units of the National Guard and Blackwater provided > "aid to civil authorities" to go house to house in New > Orleans, disarming home owners. It didn't surprise me that > they did that. It surprised me that no one fought back. By our definitions, "Aid of the Civil Power" (for which we have not specifically trained in decades) involves armed support to law enforcement, and "Assistance to Civil Authorities" involves unarmed support to various government agencies in crisis situations. In any case, neither Blackwater nor National Guard units are "foreign troops". The treaty concerned still covers only unarmed assistance, and nothing more. Now, I recall police and/or sheriffs' deputies confiscating firearms, but not National Guard troops. If you can provide evidence to the contrary, and evidence of _any_ Blackwater involvement, especially in an armed capacity and being used to confiscate private property, I'd welcome it. I am not saying that this did _not_ happen, but I certainly have no recollection of such, and I lack the time on the internet to research this. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:06:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Roger Walker Subject: Re: Sniper video ***Extremely Graphic Content*** On Tue, 23 Dec 2008, Lee Jasper wrote: > I debated about passing it on. But it IS the 'real' world. Many cheered > the event. > > Extremely Graphic Content. > > > http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/25417.shtml This video appears all over the Web, including with a label that it is Marine snipers doing the work. Frankly, the video appears to be doctored, to me. - -- Roger Walker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:40:40 -0800 From: "Clive Edwards" <45clive@telus.net> Subject: RE: Private Armies http://www.democracynow.org/2005/9/12/overkill_feared_blackwater_mercenaries_deploy_in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhvV2uz10eA&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK2g0TGaAZA&feature=related A few links that expose what happened in New Orleans. There are many more on Google for those who care to search. clive > I have to disagree with you, Mark. During Hurricane Katrina > armed units of the National Guard and Blackwater provided > "aid to civil authorities" to go house to house in New > Orleans, disarming home owners. It didn't surprise me that > they did that. It surprised me that no one fought back. By our definitions, "Aid of the Civil Power" (for which we have not specifically trained in decades) involves armed support to law enforcement, and "Assistance to Civil Authorities" involves unarmed support to various government agencies in crisis situations. In any case, neither Blackwater nor National Guard units are "foreign troops". The treaty concerned still covers only unarmed assistance, and nothing more. Now, I recall police and/or sheriffs' deputies confiscating firearms, but not National Guard troops. If you can provide evidence to the contrary, and evidence of _any_ Blackwater involvement, especially in an armed capacity and being used to confiscate private property, I'd welcome it. I am not saying that this did _not_ happen, but I certainly have no recollection of such, and I lack the time on the internet to research this. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:35:36 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Pa. mom sentenced for helping son get weapons Pa. mom sentenced for helping son get weapons By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/CanadaWorld/2008/12/23/7835986.html NORRISTOWN, Pa. (AP) — The mother of a bullied teenager who planned an attack on a suburban Philadelphia high school has been sentenced to three months to a year in prison for providing the troubled boy with explosive material and access to firearms she purchased. Michele Cossey also received five years’ probation Tuesday after pleading guilty to one count of child endangerment in September. The 47-year-old Cossey admitted that she gave her son access to a rifle with a laser scope and gunpowder, which investigators said he was using to build grenades. Prosecutors dropped weapons charges and related offenses. Fifteen-year-old Dillon Cossey is in juvenile custody after admitting last year that he planned to attack Plymouth Whitemarsh High School in Montgomery County. ——— Information from: The Times Herald, http://www.timesherald.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:29:48 -0500 From: Ian Kidston Subject: Re: Sniper video ***Extremely Graphic Content*** They are prairie dogs not men. Lee Jasper wrote: > Todd's note about the 'Big 50' twigged me to post this item. > > I debated about passing it on. But it IS the 'real' world. Many cheered > the event. > > Extremely Graphic Content. > > > >> http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/25417.shtml >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:12:50 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [JAP] LETTER - Worst effect of gun control http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/rc20081218a5.html Thursday, Dec. 18, 2008 READERS IN COUNCIL Worst effect of gun control By JOSEPH MARRIOTT Kure, Hiroshima Regarding Darryl McGarry's Dec. 14 letter, "Less paranoia about government": The author undercuts his arguments for banning guns with his belief that "criminals bearing firearms do not care about the law." Exactly! So why would they care about gun-control laws? Gun control is most effective at disarming law-abiding citizens, not criminals. McGarry says gun crime declined in Australia following gun control. Overall U.S. crime also declined in the same period without banning guns. Simply put, police and courts got better at putting criminals in jail and keeping them there. Japanese culture is responsible for Japan's rare street crime, not gun control. Canada, Switzerland and Israel have a lot of gun owners, and their crime rates are fairly low. Most of America's gun crime can be traced to drug-dealing gangs and declining cultural values. The opinions expressed in this letter to the editor are the writer's own and do not necessarily reflect the policies of The Japan Times. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:47:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CTV - Police raid gang home: drugs and weapons seized http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081223/CGY_gang_home_081223/20081223/?hub=CalgaryHome Police raid gang home: drugs and weapons seized Updated: Tue Dec. 23 2008 11:49:12 ctvcalgary.ca Five people are facing charges after police raided a home they say is connected to gangs. Around 6 p.m. Monday night, RCMP and Calgary Police stormed into the home just south of the city in Heritage Point. Once inside, they found homemade bombs, several guns, and body armour. They also found drugs including cocaine and ecstasy. Police say an 8-year-old child has been taken from the home and is now with a parent. Five people have been charged. Investigators believe they all have ties to organized crime and gangs in Calgary. Police say the home will be seized as part of the Victims Restitution and Compensation Payment Act. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:25:19 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Plaxico Burress on Gun Safety Here's an item all the safety folk can use. Useful item for show and tell. Could be top of the list for all the CFSC types. I thought 'enhanced' screening would eliminate this kind of thing. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpgL5kuBpMA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:25:13 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Tis the season for silliness *NFR* More declines for oil on latest batch of bad news, dips below US$38 > http://money.canoe.ca/News/GasCrisis/2004/08/02/568691-ap.html > Retail gasoline prices dropped for the 23rd week, reaching a national > average of $1.653 a gallon as of Monday, according to the U.S. Energy > Information Administration. > > In Canada, the price of gas averaged 76.4 cents Canadian per litre, > according to price-watching website Gasbuddy.com. The price differential is ridicules. If the price stays low (high by U.S. standards) it could lead to a 'structural' deficit that has Jim Flaherty in hissy fits. - ---------------- And I sure hope the 'arm' of the law is long and vigorous. Bailed-out bank execs get $1.6 billion > http://money.canoe.ca/News/Sectors/BanksFinance/2008/12/22/7824666-cp.html If the U.S. gov't 'clawed' this money back the companies not bankrupt wouldn't need to be bailed out. All on the backs of the 'little' people. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:33:01 -0800 From: "James A. Krock" Subject: Re: YES - It is Brass Monkey Weather! I doubt this. On a sailing ship, tossing in the stormy seas, the last thing you want is cannon balls careening around the deck. This has been circulating for years and years. I suspect that this this tale was invented by a teenager with too much time on his hands. At 07:36 AM 12/21/2008, you wrote: >Greetings! > > > Many of you who have been with the CFD for a long number of years now, will > > remember that we did once have this discussion about where, and what the > > phrase ; "It's cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey!" came > > from and was about. > >Doesn't take a search engine. A brass monkey weas a small brass ring that >was >used to hold cannon balls from rolling around on the decks of a ship. Brass >was used, as it was very non-reactive with other metals, and being exposed to >the salty waters at sea caused a lot of corrossion on the ferrous metals. > >The problem, was that brass contracted a bit more than iron did as it got >colder, so the brass ring would get smaller as it got colder, and would >eventually be too small to hold the cannon balls in place. And when it got >that cold, it was "cold enough to freeze the balls off of a brass monkey.: > >BUZ ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #894 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:drg.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)