Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, January 9 2009 Volume 12 : Number 945 In this issue: Britain records 18% fall in gun deaths- The Independant COUTTS BORDER CROSSING 630 CHED - Edmonton area man charged with gun smuggling "Edmonton:Canadian border guards seize weapons at Coutts crossing" London Free Press - Illegal guns result in four-year term Who do Judges listen to? Re: ACLU's position on the Second Amendment Calgary Sun - Column - The short-term plan is: 'Duck!' Winnipeg Sun - Man dies after shooting himself in head Re: How do you save a squirrel? Cook it in your soup Re: How do you save a squirrel? Cook it in your soup What air do these folk breath; what's in their water? *NFR* Toronto Star - Man found with possible machine gun [US] Washington Times - Column - ROBERTS: An armed citizentry ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 15:30:37 -0700 From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Britain records 18% fall in gun deaths- The Independant Britain records 18% fall in gun deaths By Nigel Morris, Deputy Political Editor - Thursday, 8 January 2009 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-records-18-fall-in-gun-deaths-1232069.html The number of deaths in Britain from gunshot wounds has fallen to a 20-year low despite concerns about levels of violent crime. Most of the 42 gun-related deaths last year took place in London, the West Midlands, Manchester or Merseyside, with swathes of the country recording no homicides, suicides or accidental deaths from firearms. One third of the victims were younger than 21 and four of them were female. The Gun Control Network, which campaigns for tougher restrictions on firearms, disclosed the figure, which was a sharp drop on 2007, when 51 gun-related deaths were recorded in England, Wales and Scotland. The network said it was worried that "despite the fall in gun crime, disproportionate number of incidents involve teenagers as victims and/or perpetrators". Fifteen people, including six young men, were killed in 2008 in London, which has suffered a spate of gang-related murders. There were six deaths in the West Midlands, four each in Manchester and Merseyside and two each in Kent, Shropshire and West Yorkshire. Other deaths were recorded in Cornwall, Derbyshire, Glasgow, Hertfordshire, Humberside, Northumberland and South Yorkshire. The Centre for Crime and Justice Studies at King's College London said its research also suggested the number of gun-related deaths was falling since reaching a peak eight years ago. The centre's director, Richard Garside, said: "Gun homicide in England and Wales is low compared with such countries as the United States, Australia, France and Italy." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:12:38 -0700 From: "Med Crotteau" Subject: COUTTS BORDER CROSSING An Edmonton Man (?) was conveying a Large number of Pistols & Large Capacity Clips, into Canada, through the Coutts Border Crossing. He got Caught! They were secreted inside the Vans Panels. Now, i wonder if he'll get parole right away, unlike Bruce Montague..?? I'm of the opinion, that the Gun Lobby (?) in Canada should be on this, "in Court", demanding that a Criminal, gets the same treatment, that Law Abiding citizens get. No parole for days, and the Media could actually, identify a Criminal. The Injustice System is Equal, ain't it..?? RIP JACK GENTLES SCRAP THE FIREARMS ACT! Med Crotteau ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:37:08 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: 630 CHED - Edmonton area man charged with gun smuggling http://www.630ched.com/Channels/Reg/NewsLocal/Story.aspx?ID=1051465 Edmonton area man charged with gun smuggling 8:00AM Click here to email Ed Mason ed.mason@corusent.com 1/8/2009 An Edmonton area man has been arrested in connection with a gun smuggling bust at the Coutts border crossing in southern Alberta. http://www.630ched.com/Pics/Jan%2009/couttsguns.JPG Image supplied by: C.B.S.A. Canada Border Services Agency officers, working with the American Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, found ten semi automatic handguns including one semi-automatic machine pistol hidden behind panels in a vehicle crossing into Canada from the US. Along with the guns, officers found hundreds of rounds of ammunition and illegal large capacity magazines. A metro area man has been charged with 45 - firearms offences including possession of firearms for the purpose of trafficking and unauthorized importation of firearms. Thirty year old Adrian Le Mon BARNES next court appearance is on the 28th of this month. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:44:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: "Edmonton:Canadian border guards seize weapons at Coutts crossing" Subject: "Edmonton Journal: Canadian border guards seize weapons at Coutts crossing" http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Edmonton+area+charged+after+guns+seized+border/1155310/story.html Canadian border guards seize weapons at Coutts crossing By Jason van Rassel, Calgary Herald January 8, 2009 A cross-border investigation has netted authorities 10 semi-automatic handguns hidden in a vehicle returning to Canada at the Coutts crossing in southern Alberta. The Canada Border Services Agency announced today that officers found the contraband hidden behind panels inside a vehicle they searched at Coutts, 80 kilometres southeast of Lethbridge, on Saturday. In addition to the firearms, officers also seized 11 high-capacity ammunition clips and 300 rounds of ammunition. "To get 10 handguns off the streets of Canada is an excellent seizure," said Sgt. Patrick Webb of the RCMP, which is now involved in the investigation. As part of their ongoing probe, Webb said police will try to find out where the guns may have been headed. An Edmonton-area man, Adrian Le Mon Barnes, 30, has been charged with 45 counts, including possession of firearms to trafficking and unauthorized importation of firearms. The investigation involved CBSA, and the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives. The RCMP's customs and excise section and the its national weapons enforcement team are now also involved in the probe. In the past five years, CBSA officers have intercepted more than 400 firearms at Alberta border crossings. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:48:23 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: London Free Press - Illegal guns result in four-year term http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/01/07/7941701-sun.html Illegal guns result in four-year term Wed, January 7, 2009 By NEIL BOWEN, SUN MEDIA SARNIA -- A Sarnia man was sentenced to four years in prison yesterday for an illegal gun collection that included a machine gun and an AK-47 assault rifle. Patrick Reid, 23, pleaded guilty to importing the rifle and a nine-millimetre pistol, as well as possession of a restricted firearm and the improper storage of two rifles. Eighteen other weapons offences were withdrawn. A joint submission by defence and Crown lawyers recommended four years for Reid, who did not have a criminal record. The importation conviction came with a mandatory three-year penitentiary term. In July 2008, police searched a Campbell Street storage unit and seized five guns, large-capacity bullet magazines and more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition, including hollow-point shells designed to create massive tissue damage. Evidence collected by police indicated Reid is a gun collector, assistant Crown attorney Randy Evans said. Reid, who worked as a call centre trainer, told police he bought guns during trips to Michigan and dismantled them before crossing the border. Reid bought one rifle on the street but the others were purchased at gun shops. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:53:06 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Who do Judges listen to? Can us peons write to Judges and demand they impose meaningful sentences on actual criminals who commit actual crimes? Where does the "disconnect" come from when it comes to Judges, who don't think the "community" wants meaningful sentences imposed? Lee, you seem to have some connections, can you answer this? Yours in LIBERTY! Bruce "It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." - From The Declaration of Arbroath, 1320. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:19:35 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Re: ACLU's position on the Second Amendment Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:13:22 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: ACLU's position on the Second Amendment Joe ascertained and posted this response from the ACLU: > Thank you for the question about the ACLU's position on the Second > Amendment. The national ACLU is neutral on the issue of gun control. > > We believe that the Constitution contains no barriers to reasonable > regulations of gun ownership. If we can license and register cars, we > can license and register guns. The question therefore is not whether > to restrict arms ownership, but how much to restrict it. Pretty consistent with recent court decisions in Canada, e.g. Montague? - ------------------------------------------------------------- The gun-grabbers at ACLU even use the same arguments as our Kanukistani gun-grabbers. Yours in Tyranny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:22:57 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Calgary Sun - Column - The short-term plan is: 'Duck!' http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists/Clancy_Roy/2009/01/07/7942301-sun.php The short-term plan is: 'Duck!' UPDATED: 2009-01-07 02:38:59 MST By ROY CLANCY The fear factor for Calgarians has risen a few notches with the news an innocent bystander was one of the victims of a triple homicide on New Year's Day. An apparently salt-of-the-earth guy, former missionary, Keni S'ua was just having a bite of lunch and minding his own business. After a brain-dead bunch of gangsters finished doing their dirty work, he ended up crumpled and bleeding on the street with his life ebbing out of him. The murder that got 2009 in Calgary off to a very bad start is just the latest escalation of a problem that has been growing progressively worse over the last decade. Brazen drive-by shootings have become almost commonplace. Calgarians were horrified when 24-year-old student Jose Neto was shot and left blind as he strolled innocently down the street in September. Now this. Citizens justifiably want reassurance that something can be done about this deadly carnage that puts their lives at risk. Police Chief Rick Hanson has taken some heat for a statement he made Monday that "short of assigning three or four police officers to every gang member in this city, if they're intent on going out and killing each other, they're going to do it." The sad fact is, he's merely being realistic, which is preferable to the hollow platitudes we're often offered by politicians on the same subject. We shouldn't doubt Hanson's been pulling out all the weapons police have available to them in the war against gangs. Now he vows to turn the heat even higher. Of course, the prospect of their own demise should be the greatest deterrent to the thugs whose main preoccupation these days appears to be killing each other off. But if the thought of their brain matter splattered against some windshield or restaurant wall isn't enough to make these deluded gangsters think twice about their lifestyle, then the toughest laws in the land or the prospect of a lifetime in a steel cage obviously aren't going to make much more of an impact. Hanson said yesterday his force will step up the pressure on the bad guys and direct more of its attention towards the friends and families of gang members in an effort to break this deadly cycle of violence. That's a worthwhile effort that could have an impact, but Hanson admits many of these folks have not exactly been co-operative in the past, even though their loved one's lives hang in the balance. The chief has been a noisy and unrelenting advocate for tougher action by the province and feds. Alberta Justice Minister Alison Redford has said the province is talking about such measures as electronic bracelets to keep tabs on gang members who have been sprung on bail. She has insisted Alberta is putting pressure on the feds to tighten up the laws on granting bail. No doubt Calgarians steamed by this latest tragedy will be adding to that pressure. After all, taking a seat with your back to the wall and keeping an eye peeled for speeding sedans with tinted windows screeching around the corner is no way to live. Even if this remains a statistically safe city, as Mayor Dave Bronconnier took pains to point out yesterday. If events following the gang shooting that took the life of 15-year-old bystander Jane Creba in Toronto three years ago are any measure, here is what we can expect. * High-profile pow wows between all levels of government in response to the public alarm emanating from this latest outrage. * More assurances tougher justice is on the way, but because the federal Conservatives are preoccupied with the fight for their very survival, we shouldn't hold our breath for anything other than long-term solutions. * Before the latest round of platitudes have faded, shots will likely ring out again. So our best short-term strategy -- to steal a line from a frustrated Toronto Sun editorial writer -- might well have to be: "Duck!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:28:08 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Winnipeg Sun - Man dies after shooting himself in head http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/winnipeg/2009/01/07/7945296.html Man dies after shooting himself in head By Chris Kitching, SUN MEDIA Last Updated: 7th January 2009, 5:03pm A man who shot himself in the head in front of a group of Winnipeg police officers in the West End early today has died in hospital, police and sources said. Sources said the man ran from police during a traffic stop and was found behind a home in the 300 block of Simcoe Street, where he pulled out a gun when confronted by officers. The man then shot himself, despite orders to drop the weapon, a source said. Police said the incident occurred about 4 a.m. The man bolted from a vehicle that was stopped in the 200 block of Beverley Street, police said. While officers chased after him, one person who remained in the vehicle drove off. That person and the vehicle have not been located, police said. Police would not say why they stopped the vehicle or why the man ran from police. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:09:55 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: How do you save a squirrel? Cook it in your soup The article stated: > If you want to grab your shotgun, be sure you have very good aim - > squirrels must be shot in the head; a body shot renders them impossible to > skin or eat. Errrrrrrrrr, how would one manage to only shoot a squirrel in the head - whilst using a scattergun? I come from a long line of squirrel harvesters (don't tell PETA) and was taught to 'bark' the slim little critters by shooting into the bark just beneath the squirrel with a .22 so the meat was totally undamaged. Otherwise, .22 CB Longs are deadly, head shots only. Sweetest tasting meat on the planet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:42:31 -0700 From: "Med Crotteau" Subject: Re: How do you save a squirrel? Cook it in your soup And on the trapline, we didn't get as Much Money for a pelt, for any .22 Bullet Hole, below the shoulders. Head Shots only, and no Scope, either! We didn't eat Red Squirrels. Beaver & Cougar meat is good. SCRAP THE FIREARMS ACT Med Crotteau - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Jasper" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: How do you save a squirrel? Cook it in your soup > The article stated: > >> If you want to grab your shotgun, be sure you have very good aim - >> squirrels must be shot in the head; a body shot renders them impossible >> to >> skin or eat. > > Errrrrrrrrr, how would one manage to only shoot a squirrel in the head - > whilst using a scattergun? > > I come from a long line of squirrel harvesters (don't tell PETA) and was > taught to 'bark' the slim little critters by shooting into the bark just > beneath the squirrel with a .22 so the meat was totally undamaged. > Otherwise, .22 CB Longs are deadly, head shots only. > > Sweetest tasting meat on the planet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:55:11 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: What air do these folk breath; what's in their water? *NFR* Cheney: No one saw economic crisis coming DEB RIECHMANN; Associated Press; January 8, 2009 WASHINGTON — Vice-President Dick Cheney said Thursday that he sees no reason for President George W. Bush to pre-emptively pardon anyone at the CIA involved in harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists. “I don't have any reason to believe that anybody in the agency did anything illegal,” he said. ****** In an interview with The Associated Press, Mr. Cheney also said that Mr. Bush has no need to apologize for not foreseeing the economic crisis. ******* “I don't think he needs to apologize. I think what he needed to do is take bold, aggressive action and he has,” Mr. Cheney said. “I don't think anybody saw it coming,” he said. During a wide-ranging interview lasting about 25 minutes in West Wing office, Mr. Cheney also said Iran remains at the top of the list of foreign policy challenges that president-elect Barack Obama will face. He said an “irresponsible withdrawal” from Iraq now would be ill-advised. And he said he's confident that North Korea helped Syria build a reactor – a site that Israel suspected of being a nuclear installation and bombed in 2007. After Mr. Obama takes the oath of office on Jan. 20, the 67-year-old Mr. Cheney plans to possibly write a book and spend time with his wife, Lynne, their two daughters and six grandchildren. He and his wife will split their time between their house in Virginia and their hometown of Casper, Wyo. An avid angler, Mr. Cheney said the first river he wants to fish is the South Fork of the Snake River on the Wyoming-Idaho border. - ------------------------------ Determination of the December 2007 Peak in Economic Activity Version of December 11, 2008 > http://www.nber.org/cycles/dec2008.html The Business Cycle Dating Committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research met by conference call on Friday, November 28. The committee maintains a chronology of the beginning and ending dates (months and quarters) of U.S. recessions. The committee determined that a peak in economic activity occurred in the U.S. economy in December 2007. The peak marks the end of the expansion that began in November 2001 and the beginning of a recession. The expansion lasted 73 months; the previous expansion of the 1990s lasted 120 months. A recession is a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in production, employment, real income, and other indicators. A recession begins when the economy reaches a peak of activity and ends when the economy reaches its trough. Between trough and peak, the economy is in an expansion. The Month of the Peak The committee identified December 2007 as the peak month, after determining that the subsequent decline in economic activity [after Dec. 2007] was large enough to qualify as a recession. - ------------------------- It’s Official Now – US Recession Is Nearly a Year Old [Excerpt] By David S. White; December 2, 2008 > http://www.foxandhoundsdaily.com/blog/david-s-white/it%E2%80%99s-offic ial-now-%E2%80%93-us-recession-is-nearly-a-year-old Five, six, even seven Trillion Dollars are now being discussed as the total amount that the Federal Government either has spent or has pledged to spend, to rein in the economic wipeout gripping our country and the world. It all depends on your economic school of thought as to the only really relevant question – what to do next? Keynesian economists will push for government deficit spending to spark economic growth; Supply-siders will call for tax cuts promoting business capital investment; Laissez-faire economists will hold that the government not interfere with those lately out-of-control natural market forces, and; last but not least, the Populist economists will push for goodies for consumers like subsidies or lower-bracket tax reductions. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:10:57 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Toronto Star - Man found with possible machine gun http://www.thestar.com/GTA/Crime/article/563017 Man found with possible machine gun Jan 07, 2009 11:17 AM Sunny Freeman Staff reporter A 22-year-old man faces weapons charges after Toronto police received a call about a group of suspicious men loitering in a community centre. Police responded to a call from concerned citizens at the Driftwood Community Centre, a meeting place for area youth in the Jane St. and Finch Ave. area, around 7:15 p.m. Although the centre is a popular hangout, the callers were suspicious of the group of four or five men loitering during the quiet hours, said Det. Const. Aaron Akeson. It was believed one of the men was carrying a machine gun. When officers arrived to investigate, the men scattered and ran. One of the suspects threw a handgun away. He was arrested a short distance later, Akeson said. The gun officers seized was a .22 calibre weapon that had the appearance of a machine gun. Police are conducting tests to determine whether it is an automatic weapon, Akeson said. Hussein Nur, of Toronto, is charged with nine gun-related charges, including possession of a prohibited firearm with ammunition and carrying a concealed weapon. He was expected to appear in court this morning. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:23:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: [US] Washington Times - Column - ROBERTS: An armed citizentry http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/03/an-armed-citizentry/ ROBERTS: An armed citizentry Fearsome consequences for would-be criminals Stephen Roberts Saturday, January 3, 2009 Police Lt. Jon Shelton displays the forms needed to be completed by D.C. residents to register handguns, rendered legal after a Supreme Court ruling. In the summer of 2008, police in the District set up military-style checkpoints to stop vehicles without a "legitimate purpose" from entering the city's Trinidad neighborhood. It was a bold attempt to stop the murders and violent crimes plaguing the area. During this month's inauguration of President-elect Barack Obama, that same police force is already warning it will not be able to provide adequate protection to revelers taking advantage of extended drinking hours at bars and nightclubs throughout the city. In 2002, when Shelley Parker discovered the Capitol Hill home she had recently bought was located on a block where men gathered to drink beer and possibly sell drugs, she got a dog for protection, installed a security camera and joined an anti-crime patrol. These actions earned her taunts and death threats from the men and vandalism to her home and car. Seeking advice on protecting herself, a police officer told Ms. Parker to get a gun. This was unhelpful, since most gun ownership in Washington was illegal. Guns are often used to commit violent crimes, but might they also be an answer for cities suffering from crime? St. Louis Alderman Charles Quincy Troupe thinks so, and suggests citizens arm themselves. The Associated Press quotes him as saying: "The community has to be ready to defend itself, because it's clear the economy is going to get worse, and criminals are getting more bold." Mr. Troupe notes that a St. Louis district police commander told him that "there was nothing he could do to protect us and the community... that he didn't have the manpower." Like Washington, St. Louis has an unacceptably high crime rate. With ten being the least safe, St. Louis and Washington both earn a rating of eight regarding "violent crime" on the Sperling's BestPlaces data analysis website. The national average is three. It's clear that something must be done, and current methods aren't working. Peace and justice are only as strong as people's will and power to maintain it. A prospective criminal must be presented with fearsome consequences or crime will flourish. But so many police forces are overwhelmed and incarceration is not always an effective deterrent. Prison these days is just as likely to provide "street cred" as it is to induce shame. It makes many criminals more hardened and more sophisticated in their methods. The U.S. Department of Justice reports that two-thirds of released prisoners are rearrested within three years. Crime thrives in the vacuum created by insufficient law enforcement and deterrence. That is why it's time that law-abiding citizens exercise their constitutional right to arm themselves. Kennesaw, Ga. actually passed a law in 1982 requiring households to have a gun. The city's crime rate fell drastically afterwards. There were 55 house burglaries in the year before the law, for example, but 26 the year after and only 11 several years later. In 2007, Family Circle magazine ranked Kennesaw one of the top-ten cities in America for families. With such laws on the books and an active citizenry, prospective criminals have to weigh whether his potential misdeeds are worth putting his life at risk. What about Ms. Parker? She sued the D.C. government for the right to own a gun. This past June, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed with her and struck down the city's gun ban. As Alderman Troupe's call to arms was being reported on news programs across the country, a lesser-known story circulated in St. Louis -- the shooting death of a 22-year-old police officer named Norvelle Brown. While such tragedy often precedes calls for fewer guns, the better response is for law-abiding citizens to work hard at promoting and nurturing good in their community, as well as being willing to stop evil, even if it is found at the end of a gun. Stephen Roberts is a research associate for the Project 21 black leadership network and seminary graduate. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #945 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:drg.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)