Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, January 16 2009 Volume 12 : Number 964 In this issue: Murder rate rises in Japan but total crimes fall CTV - Tory plan to kill long gun registry going strong U.S.: Va.: 2 Arrested, 1 Still Sought in Would-be Robbery Re: "U.S.: Feds Cite Racist Chatter for 'Higher State..." *NFR* Re: Va.: 2 Arrested, 1 Still Sought in Would-be Robbery Rafferty targets long gun registry Wendy Cukier: Firearm-related injury continues to significantly ... NDP MP Rafferty targets long gun registry " ... fighting for liberty ..." Re: Gun laws and Ponzi (and broken promises) Re: "To Serve & Protect"? Alberta MLA targets guns in cars Man loses his unlicensed rifle, must pay fine too ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:11:53 -0700 From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Murder rate rises in Japan but total crimes fall Murder rate rises in Japan but total crimes fall The Associated Press - Published: January 15, 2009 http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/15/asia/AS-Japan-Crime.php TOKYO: The number of murder cases jumped more than 8 percent in Japan last year, despite an overall drop in the crime rate in the country, which has long boasted of low crime, the National Police Agency said Thursday. The agency said that 1.8 million crimes took place last year - down 4.7 percent from a year earlier - with burglaries making up the largest proportion, accounting for 76 percent of total crimes. It marked the sixth year in which crime has fallen in Japan. The number of serious violent offenses, which includes murder, rape and arson, declined 5.1 percent to 8,588. But murder cases alone rose 8.4 percent to 1,300 from last year - though they still accounted for less than 1 percent of all crime. Gun deaths are rare in Japan due to the nation's strict gun control. The agency did not have annual data, but shooting deaths accounted for only 1.2 percent of the total killings in the six months to September 2008. Most cases of gun violence are gang-related. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:44:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: CTV - Tory plan to kill long gun registry going strong http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060226/day_registry_060226/20060226?hub=QPeriod Tory plan to kill long gun registry going strong Updated Sun. Feb. 26 2006 11:34 PM ET CTV.ca News Staff Canada's new minister of public safety says the government has no plans to back off on its intention to scrap the controversial long gun registry. Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced his plan to kill the registry during the election campaign, and Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day told CTV's Question Period the plan hasn't changed. "We're not backing away at all," Day said on Sunday. "We're moving ahead on this. It was an election promise. It's something we've been talking about for years." The government recently formed a committee that includes Day, Justice Minister Vic Toews, and long-time registry critic Garry Breitkreuz, a Saskatchewan MP. The committee is charged with studying the issue and determining the best course of action for scrapping it. Day said the total registry costs could be approaching $2 billion, while the registry has not had a positive impact on gun crime. "It has not reduced gun crime," he said. "As a matter of fact, homicide rates in the last two years have gone up in Canada. And we have committed to scrapping it." However, Wendy Cukier, president of the Coalition for Gun Control, said the registry has helped improve public safety. "It's true that rifles and shotguns aren't used today as frequently as handguns in murders, but that was not the case 15 years ago," she told CTV.ca. "And one of the reasons why murders with rifles and shotguns have declined so precipitously is because of the stronger controls on them." She added that the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, along with major public safety groups and violence against women organizations, insist the registry is essential to fighting gun crime. Law enforcement officials reportedly used the registry several thousand times a day over the last quarter of 2005. More police on the streets Day said all angles must be explored before the registry can be taken out of circulation. "We're in that process," he said. "It takes a while to sort through the regulatory stuff, what can be done through regulation, what has to be done through change of legislation. That would involve my colleague Vic Toews in terms of the justice ministry. There's a lot of mechanical things that have to be done." He added that the government will battle gun crime by putting more police on the streets and creating crime prevention programs for at-risk youth and gang related activity. It will pay for these programs with the money saved by killing the registry. "We believe a lot of savings that will come from doing away with this ineffective registry will actually meet those goals," Day said. "We are not backing away." As for about 200 government employees in Miramichi, New Brunswick who work for the registry, Day said the government is committed to making sure they don't lose their jobs. Although the government plans to scrap the registry, it has no plans to make it easier to legally own firearms. Day said the process to obtain a firearms license is difficult, and it will remain so. Day also said the handgun registry will remain in place. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 01:04:58 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: U.S.: Va.: 2 Arrested, 1 Still Sought in Would-be Robbery http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0109/585528.html 2 Arrested, 1 Still Sought in Would-be Robbery ABC 7 News DUMFRIES, Va. - An armed woman who stayed home sick from work Wednesday turned out to be a would-be robber's worst nightmare. Police say an alarm went off Wednesday in broad daylight in the 3300 block of Dondis Creek Drive in Dumfries, prompting the home's owner to her basement door where she found three men trying to get inside. "When she confronts them, the men take off and one of them returned," said Officer Erika Hernandez, Prince William County (web | news) . That is when the woman opened fire, striking the would-be robber in the upper body. Police caught him and he was transported to a local hospital with life-threatening injuries. Police later caught the second suspect, but are still looking for the third. "That was an experience with the cop cars and the helicopters, I was wondering what was going on," said Joshua Washington, a neighbor. Police say it appears the homeowner was within her rights to shoot the suspect, however, police are still investigating. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:09:17 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: "U.S.: Feds Cite Racist Chatter for 'Higher State..." *NFR* According to the book:"Legacy of Secrecy " by Lamar Waldren it was the Mafia with CIA compliance who assassinated JFK I intend to pick up the book this week. I heard about it from a talk show and the author explained his research about it. ed/on - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Gingrich" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: "U.S.: Feds Cite Racist Chatter for 'Higher State..." *NFR* > Subject: "U.S.: Feds Cite Racist Chatter for 'Higher State of Alert' in > Inauguration *NFR*" > > http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2009/01/feds-cite-racist-chatter-for-h.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:16:19 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Va.: 2 Arrested, 1 Still Sought in Would-be Robbery As far as i`m concerned? your ALWAYS IN YOUR RIGHTS TO SAVE YOURSELF FROM HARM, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE SO-CALLED IVORY TOWER LAWYERS IN OTTAWA SAY. SELF PRESERVATION IS THE FIRST LAW OF ANY LIVING ORGANISM AND CANNOT BE DENIED BY ANY MAN OR GOVERNMENT BECAUSE IT is an immutable law of GOD and nature. ed/on Sorry for the caps da** key stuck. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Gingrich" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:04 AM Subject: U.S.: Va.: 2 Arrested, 1 Still Sought in Would-be Robbery > http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0109/585528.html > > 2 Arrested, 1 Still Sought in Would-be Robbery ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:32:54 -0700 From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Rafferty targets long gun registry (Fort Frances Times) Rafferty targets long gun registry Wednesday, 14 January 2009 - 6:03pm. News By Peggy Revell Staff writer http://fftimes.com/node/218757 Thunder Bay-Rainy River MP John Rafferty is planning to introduce a private member's bill calling for the abolition of the long gun registry once Parliament resumes later this month. "The reason I'm doing that is really because I promised the constituents in every election that that's what I would do, given the opportunity, and you know what, I got the opportunity," Rafferty said last week while hosting a pre-budget consultation here. Rafferty said he will introduce the bill as soon as he can during the upcoming sitting of Parliament. "While a lot of the debate going on in the legislature will be about the budget, there's still opportunity to put these bills forward," he noted. "A lot of people think that the business in the House is that 45 minutes you see on TV, but it's not," he stressed. "We sit at 9:30 [a.m.] and go until after 6 [p.m.], and there's a lot of opportunities in that day to introduce bills." Despite private member's bills historically not finding enough support in the House to become law, Rafferty believes there will be great interest in it from fellow NDP MPs, Conservative MPs, and a number of Liberal MPs. Though he does concede there will be those, even in his own party, who disagree. While Rafferty hasn't put together the bill yet, he hopes to keep it simple and straightforward. "I'm hoping that it's going to be an easy yes/no, yay/nay vote," he remarked. "I think that we've got more than adequate gun control laws in this country, and I think the money can be better spent on enforcement," Rafferty argued. "I think it would be better spent in the large cities with programs and anti-gang related activities," he added, stressing he isn't against gun control in itself. People are registered in other ways, he noted, such as through the firearms acquisition certificate. "We have lots of laws, but we need to enforce them," he remarked, arguing that the money spent on this registry would be better spent on enforcing border control, investigating mail and Internet orders of guns, and investing in programs that would help inner city youths and reduce gangs. "If you're going to target the money, target the money where it's going to do the most good," he stressed. Elected as a first-time MP back on Oct. 14, this will be the first bill Rafferty has ever brought forward in the House. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:32:54 -0700 From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: Wendy Cukier: Firearm-related injury continues to significantly ... ... impact Canada's health care system Attention News Editors: Firearm-related injury continues to significantly impact Canada's health care system http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2009/15/c7489.html OTTAWA, Jan. 15 /CNW Telbec/ - The Canadian Association of Emergency Physicians (CAEP) released an updated position statement on gun control. Firearms are an important cause of injury and death in Canada. Contrary to commonly held misperceptions, gun related injury is most often associated with suicides as opposed to criminal intent, is more often associated with rifles and shotguns and is over represented in rural and aboriginal populations. More effective gun control must continue to focus on long arms, rural populations and those at risk of suicide or domestic violence. "As an emergency physician I have witnessed too many tragedies of patients injured or killed by firearms. All of these were preventable. As advocates for our patients, we must oppose the weakening of gun control laws. Gun control protects citizens and saves lives", commented Dr. Carolyn Snider, CAEP member and lead author of the position statement. The following measures are recommended: << 1. Continued support for the original provisions of Bill C-68 and the gun control law, and active opposition to any attempt at repealing the national firearms registry (including the long gun registry). 2. Advocacy for the implementation by the government of a nationwide surveillance system for firearm-related injury and mortality. 3. Expansion of programs focused on the prevention of suicide, intimate partner violence and gang-related violence. 4. Support for legislation mandating that health care facilities report gun shot wounds, but not knife injuries or other violent injuries. 5. Continued support for research into firearm-related injury and death in order to guide further public policy development and future legislation. >> "CAEP's research credits Canada's strict licensing and registration regime with the significant decline in firearm injury and death we have seen in recent years: 400 fewer Canadians are killed with guns annually in Canada than before the law was introduced. We are delighted that they are as committed as they were 16 years ago to supporting strict controls over all firearms. The current government has made no secret of its plans to dismantle gun control and we will need CAEP and other health and safety experts to stand firm", said Wendy Cukier, Professor, Ryerson University and President, Coalition for Gun Control. In 2004, 743 Canadians were killed by the use of firearms and, despite general media focus on urban crime, 76% of these firearm-related deaths were caused by suicide. In 2005, Ontario passed Bill 110, the first Canadian law that required health care facilities to report to legal authorities the name of anyone presented with a gun shot wound. In March 2007, Saskatchewan passed similar legislation, as did Nova Scotia in November of the same year. The Canadian Association of Emergency Physicians (CAEP) is a national advocacy and professional development organization representing 1,750 of Canada's emergency physicians. CAEP's mission is to provide leadership in emergency health care with a goal to enhance the health and safety of all Canadians. For further information: Wendy Cukier, Professor, Ryerson University and President, Coalition for Gun Control, (416) 979-5000 x 6740; Canadian Association of Emergency Physicians, (613) 523-3343 x14 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:51:14 -0500 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" Subject: NDP MP Rafferty targets long gun registry Fort Frances Times Wednesday, 14 January 2009 - 6:03pm. News By Peggy Revell Staff writer Rafferty targets long gun registry http://fftimes.com/node/218757 Thunder Bay-Rainy River MP John Rafferty is planning to introduce a private member's bill calling for the abolition of the long gun registry once Parliament resumes later this month. "The reason I'm doing that is really because I promised the constituents in every election that that's what I would do, given the opportunity, and you know what, I got the opportunity," Rafferty said last week while hosting a pre-budget consultation here. Rafferty said he will introduce the bill as soon as he can during the upcoming sitting of Parliament. "While a lot of the debate going on in the legislature will be about the budget, there's still opportunity to put these bills forward," he noted. "A lot of people think that the business in the House is that 45 minutes you see on TV, but it's not," he stressed. "We sit at 9:30 [a.m.] and go until after 6 [p.m.], and there's a lot of opportunities in that day to introduce bills." Despite private member's bills historically not finding enough support in the House to become law, Rafferty believes there will be great interest in it from fellow NDP MPs, Conservative MPs, and a number of Liberal MPs. Though he does concede there will be those, even in his own party, who disagree. While Rafferty hasn't put together the bill yet, he hopes to keep it simple and straightforward. "I'm hoping that it's going to be an easy yes/no, yay/nay vote," he remarked. "I think that we've got more than adequate gun control laws in this country, and I think the money can be better spent on enforcement," Rafferty argued. "I think it would be better spent in the large cities with programs and anti-gang related activities," he added, stressing he isn't against gun control in itself. People are registered in other ways, he noted, such as through the firearms acquisition certificate. "We have lots of laws, but we need to enforce them," he remarked, arguing that the money spent on this registry would be better spent on enforcing border control, investigating mail and Internet orders of guns, and investing in programs that would help inner city youths and reduce gangs. "If you're going to target the money, target the money where it's going to do the most good," he stressed. Elected as a first-time MP back on Oct. 14, this will be the first bill Rafferty has ever brought forward in the House. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:44:57 -0800 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: " ... fighting for liberty ..." Fighting for food, fuel and over hockey, yes. Fighting for an intangible such as property rights, gun owership? It is to laugh ..... It is simply not the Canadian way to oppose their government by armed revolution. The few instances in our history (1837 and the Riel/Nortwest Rebellions) where it was attempted were quickly and massively dealt with. If we were invaded by a foreign power - maybe. Those living in or near the Rockies would have a chance, but do you really think that we are the hardy souls who could survive indefinitely under harsh conditions as do the Mujahadin? Look around you and honestly assess the ability of the people you know (as well as your own) to hump it in the mountains. Ever go on a winter camping trip? When I served in Churchill, we were told that winter fighting would take 60% of our resources and energies. That's before taking casualties and while we had rations, fuel, and other logistic support. It was grim. Think about the Russo-Finish War that pre-dated WWII. The Russians paid dearly, learned the lessons and subsequently, taught them to the Wehrmacht. Try pulling a loaded sled while on skis or snowshoes. It's one thing on the flat, hard packed snow of the tundra; quite another below the tree line in deep powder snow. Vehicles not kept running 24/7 freeze up in a matter of hours. If YOU don't keep moving, you have about 45 minutes survival time. Too tired to put up a shelter? Be prepared to dig out a snow cave that won't suffocate you or ice over inside with your breath because you didn't leave a vent hole or it got blown over by drifting snow. Packed tundra snow is like cutting wood with a snow knife. Want a drink to re-hydrate? Build a fire to melt snow, if you can find the fuel and you can strike a match, or pump up a white gas stove and light it without freezing your hands and fingers. Wanna whiz at night? Be prepared to piss in a condom and tie a knot in it without spilling the contents in your sleeping bag. Constipated after days of low fibre, high carb, high fat foods and not wanting to expose your butt to the frost? Return fire? Yeah, right .... As soon as you manage to cock the damn rifle which got frozen over because of the minute amount of moisture accumulated when you exposed it to warmth for a few minutes inside a running vehicle. Hell is NOT hot, trust me. TB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:45:50 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: Re: Gun laws and Ponzi (and broken promises) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:05:32 -0500 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Re: Gun laws and Ponzi (and broken promises) Joe offered: > Let me guess too - allow us to keep property? > > The govt. is still taking our property without due process, without > just compensation. I'll answer Joe first. I don't think Davis had any strong feelings about property rights. I'd guess he would have believed if a 'dispute' arose, he'd sit down and work out a resolution. Bill was the 'great conciliator.' - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course Davis had no strong feelings on property rights as he was a slavedriver not one of the driven slaves. Yours in Tyarnny, Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:47:50 -0800 From: R. LaCasse Subject: Re: "To Serve & Protect"? On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:16:59 -0600 (CST), you wrote: |>------------------------------ |> |>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:55:39 -0500 |>From: Dan Haggarty |>Subject: Re: "To Serve & Protect"? |> |>Todd Birch wrote: |>> Other than the Hill St. Precinct, what police agency use that as a motto? |>> [...] |>> |> |>The Toronto Police Service (http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/) is one. |> Lot's of places have them, they have them on the VPD logos on their patches, if they are a full patch member and on their insignias.... That is why in the earlier CFD/Net days of this discussion, we had comparisons/euphemism like "Serve and Persecute" and they "Serve and Prosecute", or they just serve THEMSELVES......... The largest gang is called the Police, and they tweak your little mind with their "To Serve & Protect" patches and logos... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, January 16, 2009 12:04 pm From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" Subject: Alberta MLA targets guns in cars PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2009.01.16 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 7 BYLINE: KERRY DIOTTE, LEGISLATURE BUREAU CHIEF WORD COUNT: 186 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MLA targets guns in cars - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- An Alberta politician wants to give police a new weapon to battle brazen gang-bangers who cruise around with handguns. The MLA's private member's bill aims to target the driver of any vehicle carrying an unregistered handgun. Police often find such weapons in vehicles, but there's no clear law enabling cops to charge anyone if it's not found on a particular person, says Liberal justice critic and lawyer Kent Hehr. Often, gangsters will keep their weapons under a vehicle's seat or in the trunk, Hehr said. Police have told him they've encountered that situation enough that it greatly concerns them. He wants to change that with a law that would allow police to seize and sell the vehicle, whack the driver with a hefty fine of up to $10,000 and suspend the thug's driver's licence. Sale proceeds would go to victims of crime. "We're in the middle of a gang war and any tools we can use to help police is a step in the right direction," the Calgary-Buffalo MLA told Sun Media yesterday. "Let's hurt 'em in the pocketbook and make it more difficult to perpetrate their criminal acts," said Hehr. The notion for such a law was pitched to the provincial government a year ago by the Calgary Police Association, he said. Ontario has already passed a similar law. He'll introduce the legislation shortly after the spring session begins Feb. 10. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:05:57 -0500 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" Subject: Man loses his unlicensed rifle, must pay fine too PUBLICATION: The Sault Star DATE: 2009.01.16 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A3 BYLINE: LINDA RICHARDSON, THE SAULT STAR WORD COUNT: 100 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Man loses his unlicensed rifle, must pay fine too=20 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- A local man nabbed by conservation officers in 2007 with an unlicensed rifle will not only lose the firearm, but must also pay a $200 fine. Nolan Gibbs pleaded guilty Thursday to possessing the 303-calibre rifle without having the required firearms licence when he appeared in court. The 46-year-old man also pleaded guilty to three unrelated offences -- resisting police (Dec. 15, 2007), failing to attend court (Nov. 5, 2008) and not attending for fingerprints (Jan. 15, 2008). Gibbs, who has been in custody for 10 days, was sentenced to a further 30 days behind bars for missing his court date. As well, he was fined $200 each for struggling with officers and for not showing up to be fingerprinted -- leaving him with a total of $600 in monetary penalties to pay. Ontario Court Justice Kristine Bignell also ordered the rifle forfeited. "It is mandatory under the Criminal Code that the weapon is forfeited,'' she told Gibbs. Also in court Thursday, another man with a lengthy record for property crimes was jailed for offences that included the theft of $60 worth of items from Canadian Tire. Corey Hynes, 36, pleaded guilty to the Oct. 21 theft, as well as to failing to attend court (Nov. 24), failing to attend for fingerprints (Nov. 19) and possession of marijuana (Dec. 19). Defence counsel Stacy Tijerina asked the judge to impose a sentence of one-day time served. With two-for-one credit for the 28 days, Hynes has already spent in custody, the sentence would be the equivalent of 56 days, he said. Prosecutor David Kirk called for a sentence of 90 days, less the time served. Citing the man's lengthy record for serious property related offences, including a robbery for which he served time in a federal penitentiary, Bignell said a further 30 days would be appropriate. Hynes was fined $250 for the drug offence. ♠ ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #964 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:drg.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)