Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, January 19 2009 Volume 12 : Number 972 In this issue: re: definition of "expert" Sign for Martin Hudson Six-year-old shot- wounded after gun fired through a wall- The SP Re: NP - Column - Ignatieff blows smoke on tax threat Re: Sign for Martin Hudson Re: Re-writing the laws of Quebec *NFR* Deal reached on Flight 93 crash site in W.Pa.-Yahoo/AP News *NFR* Alta - Métis hunter to fight for rights- The Edmonton Journal EDITOR (Tougher legislation is needed.) FW: Afgan gun production, A Must Watch (Sound On) ! U.K. Deadliest weapon so far - the plague- The UK Sun re: Teacher Accountability ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:30:24 -0800 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: re: definition of "expert" An "expert" is someone who gets to know all there is to know about less and less until ultimately, he knows all there is to know about absolutely nothing." TB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:40:42 -0800 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Sign for Martin Hudson Someone send Martin Hudson a sign he can post outside his house and property, the antithesis of the "This house & property protected by Smith & Wesson". It should read: "This house and property occupied by unarmed, defenceless people prepared to dial 911 and wait to be served and protected by police". Or words to that effect. Where I live, that might be close to one hour, give or take a donut or two. TB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:08:06 -0600 From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: Six-year-old shot- wounded after gun fired through a wall- The SP Six-year-old shot http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/year+shot/1193366/story.html Image & Caption Police investigate Saturday at a house in the 1700 block of Avenue D North - - Photograph by: Greg Pender, The StarPhoenix Girl wounded after gun fired through a wall By Wendy Gillis, The StarPhoenix January 19, 2009 4:05 AM One man is in police custody and another remained at large Sunday after a six-year-old girl was shot in the head while in her home Friday night. Just before midnight, police and ambulance services responded to a 911 call about a disturbance at a residence in the 1700 block of Avenue D North. Officials found the girl suffering from a gunshot wound and took her to hospital with life-threatening injuries. She remains in critical condition. The girl was sitting in the living room of the residence when a bullet came through the wall of an adjoining bedroom, striking her in the head, police said. Three men who had been in the bedroom fled the scene. Two were arrested Saturday, and a 20-year-old man has been charged with criminal negligence causing bodily harm and is scheduled to appear in court today. The second man arrested is currently not facing charges. Police are still searching for a third suspect. Harvey Melsted, the landlord of the home where the shooting occurred, lives in the basement and was home at the time of the incident. "I heard a sound and I thought they might have just dropped something. I didn't know anybody had been shot," Melsted said Sunday. Melsted said there has been a number of tenants in the house since August. One woman has rented consistently, but a few different roommates have moved in to help cover the rent. "This last batch of tenants has been the worst, or at least their friends," he said. Melsted said problems arose when a woman in her mid-20s, along with her two children -- one of them the injured girl, Melsted said -- moved in just three weeks ago. The woman's boyfriend had just given Melsted a list of references so he could also move in. According to Melsted, the woman's boyfriend and his friends have been causing trouble in the home. On Thursday night -- the night before the shooting -- police came to the home to deal with a disturbance involving the boyfriend and a few other men. Melsted said he went upstairs in the residence to see what was the matter and he noticed the woman's daughter was upset. He asked her if she was going to be OK and promised the girl he would let her mother stay in the home. He said he vividly recalls the look of fright on her face. "If that girl dies, that look's going to haunt me. I'm going to think, 'Maybe I should have called social services.' " Melsted said the night of the shooting had been fairly quiet until he heard the sound that turned out to be a gunshot. He knew the police had been called for a second night in a row and went to meet them at the gate. Instead, he was detained for about 45 minutes as police arrived on the scene and tried to secure the area. After he explained the situation to police, Melsted was released. He immediately evicted the residents from the home. He has since been in the upper level of the house and said it is "an absolute disaster." He observed only one gunshot through the wall, and he suspects the girl had been sitting on the floor watching television when she was struck by the bullet. Neighbours describe the block as being relatively quiet, except for the house in question. One neighbour, who asked not to be named, said the house has lately been the noisiest on the block. That individual is considering moving. The investigation into the shooting is continuing. - -- -- Related Topics Shootings http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/topic.html?t=Topic&q=Shootings Law Enforcement http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/topic.html?t=Topic&q=Law+Enforcement © Copyright (c) The StarPhoenix - -- -- News Tips, Comments Or Suggestions - Editorial Department StarPhoenix Newsroom Phone: (306) 657-6231 Fax: (306) 657-6437 Toll-Free: 1-800-667-2002 E-mail: spnews@sp.canwest.com The Saskatoon StarPhoenix Street: 204 - 5th Avenue N. Saskatoon, SK, Canada S7K 2P1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:43:47 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: NP - Column - Ignatieff blows smoke on tax threat - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Mills" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: NP - Column - Ignatieff blows smoke on tax threat > http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/01/18/kelly-mcparland-ignatieff-is-blowing-smoke-on-tax-threat.aspx > > Ignatieff blows smoke on tax threat > > Posted: January 18, 2009, 8:07 AM by Kelly McParland > Full Comment, Kelly McParland, Canadian politics > > Michael Ignatieff is doing his best to sound stern and disapproving about > Stephen Harper's plan for a middle class tax cut. > Its the same old same old .:It wasnt his idea so it isn't any good. If it was his idea then it would be ok. The author is correct, Iggy is blowing smoke (Lying). ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:23:38 -0700 From: "Med Crotteau" Subject: Re: Sign for Martin Hudson My uncle has a Sign on the door of his house, which sez, This house guarded by a Shotgun, 3 nights of the week. You guess which one. I found it in a Store over 25 years ago, and it's still there! Med Crotteau - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Birch" To: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: Sign for Martin Hudson > Someone send Martin Hudson a sign he can post outside his house and > property, the antithesis of the "This house & property protected by Smith > & > Wesson". > > It should read: > > "This house and property occupied by unarmed, defenceless people prepared > to dial 911 and wait to be served and protected by police". > > Or words to that effect. > > Where I live, that might be close to one hour, give or take a donut or > two. > > TB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:19:52 -0500 From: "mred" Subject: Re: Re-writing the laws of Quebec *NFR* - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Jasper" To: "Canadian Firearms Digest" Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: Re-writing the laws of Quebec *NFR* > MrEd commented re the case of the QC billionaire and the Brazilian > socialite (sounds pretty hot to me): > >> I was under the impression that The Family Law Reform act applied to ALL >> of Canada ? >> > My recollection is that you may be referring to Ontario legislation from > the Family Law Reform Act which sounds like something the social > conservatives would concoct. You are probably correct . In my ignorance I just assumed it was a federal law? ed/on ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:34:04 -0600 From: "David R.G. Jordan" Subject: Deal reached on Flight 93 crash site in W.Pa.-Yahoo/AP News *NFR* Deal reached on Flight 93 crash site in W. Pa. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090117/ap_on_re_us/flight93_memorial By DAN NEPHIN, Associated Press Writer Associated Press Sat Jan 17, 5:28 am ET PITTSBURGH – The owner of the land in western Pennsylvania where Flight 93 crashed in the 9/11 terrorist attacks reached an agreement Friday to sell the parcel, clearing the way for the development of a memorial. The National Park Service, Families of Flight 93 and land owner Svonavec, Inc. announced the deal for the 274-acres in Shanksville, Pa., in a joint statement. "It ends what has been a three-year process of trying to get those lands under federal ownership to protect the remains of the passengers and crew," said Patrick White, vice president of the Families of Flight 93. "That's the key. That's the essential, that's the most ... outstanding aspect of it." The agreement gives the National Park Service access to the land, including the site where the plan crashed, and allows for the planning and construction of the memorial. The three also agreed to let a court determine the value of the land. White and Patrick Svonavec, the attorney for Mike Svonavec, the treasurer of the company, characterized the deal as an amicable condemnation. "Our concern has always been to protect the lands and have the park service own them. That will occur very quickly," White said. "We're one huge step closer to actually having a memorial to dedicate on Sept. 11, 2011." A suit will be filed in federal court, possibly within a couple weeks. Michael Svonavec, president and treasurer of Svonavec, Inc., said he was glad to have a deal in place. "The agreement allows the parties to cooperatively move forward on a methodology by which the evaluation will be determined," he said in a statement. Negotiations to buy the property had been contentious, and Families of Flight 93 last month asked the Bush Administration to seize the land after negotiations stalled. Mike Svonavec had been accused of refusing to sell for a reasonable amount, but he has repeatedly denied looking for a windfall. "We were not forced into this," he said. "This is the methodology I think is the best for all concerned." White characterized the property as the "soul" of the memorial. The park service is negotiating with about a half-dozen other property owners. Under the agreement, Svonavec will donate six acres that encompasses the actual impact site. He has said he did not want any money for that parcel. "I feel a sense of relief and accomplishment, a sense of gratitude for those who've participated to get us here," White said. "It's a real watershed day." The planned memorial is to cover more than 2,200 acres, and the families had said ground had to be broken early this year in order for a memorial to be build for the 10th anniversary of the crash in 2011. Flight 93 was en route from Newark, N.J., to San Francisco on Sept. 11, 2001, when it was diverted by hijackers. The official 9/11 Commission report said the hijackers crashed the plane as passengers tried to wrest control of the cockpit. Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:49:53 -0500 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" Subject: Alta - Métis hunter to fight for rights- The Edmonton Journal PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal DATE: 2009.01.19 EDITION: Final SECTION: Cityplus PAGE: A10 ILLUSTRATION: Colour Photo: Bruce Edwards, The Journal, file / The sunsets over a lone tipi near Cessford in east-central Alberta, where Métis hunters organized a hunt last year at this time in defiance of the province's decision to ban out-of-season hunting. DATELINE: EDMONTON BYLINE: Darcy Henton SOURCE: The Edmonton Journal WORD COUNT: 853 - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Métis hunter to fight for rights - ----------------------------------------------------------------- A Métis hunter charged for shooting a moose in an area where he was allowed to hunt says he is going to court Tuesday to fight what he views as provincial harassment of settlement hunters. Dion Lizotte, 32, a Paddle Prairie Settlement councillor, said he was charged with hunting out of season even though he identified himself and presented his settlement card to the Alberta Fish and Wildlife official who approached him while he was hauling the moose meat from the bush. "I want to beat the charge and hopefully none of the other eight settlements will have to go through this," he said. The Supreme Court of Canada ruled in 2004 in an Ontario case that Métis have a constitutional right to fish and hunt for sustenance in their traditional areas. Each province was left to interpret how to implement that right. Darcy Whiteside, a spokesman for Alberta Sustainable Resource Development, said Fish and Wildlife officers have the discretion whether to issue a summons to Métis hunting out of season. "The officer would first ask if they have been previously recognized as a Métis harvester," Whiteside said. "If the individual has not been recognized previously, potentially an investigation occurs. No charges are sworn until the individual is given the 60 days to provide the necessary documentation." He said each case is treated as unique and that a summons is not always issued at the initial contact. Greg Calliou, chairman of the Paddle River Metis Settlement, said he believes the department has a policy of charging "each and every Métis" found hunting out of season. "It's (their) policy that says charge each and every one and make them prove who they are in court," he said. "It's just harassment. It's a never-ending thing for us." Lizotte, a father of three young girls, said he was exercising his constitutional right to hunt for food within a 160-kilometre radius of his community and he shouldn't have to go to any greater lengths to prove his genealogy. He shot a large bull moose in the Nailor Hills on Sept. 21, 2007, about 70 kilometres south of Paddle Prairie and about a seven-hour drive north of Edmonton. "I'm a fifth-generation Métis living on the settlement," he said. "We shouldn't have to go through this." He intends to argue at his trial in Peace River provincial court that membership in a designated Métis settlement is proof enough and that the 6,000 members of the eight communities should not be charged as long as they have their membership cards. Lizotte's lawyer, Shawn Beaver, has filed a constitutional application asking the court to find that the Alberta government is not fulfilling its constitutional obligation to accommodate Métis hunting and that prosecuting them for hunting in authorized areas is an abuse of the courts. "They know who he is," Beaver said of his client. "They know he is a recognized member of his settlement. They had no reason to believe he was hunting for any other purpose than providing food for his family." Beaver said government officials who drafted the policy may not have realized its impact. "It wouldn't be the first time that a government has created a policy that's ignorant of constitutionally protected rights," he said. The government appears to treat Métis hunting as a licensing issue, as opposed to a rights issue. "Imagine if we were stopped on a regular basis to prove our status for anything," he said. "Think of the inconvenience." The Alberta Fish and Wildlife officer's decision to allow Lizotte to keep the moose meat shows a recognition of his right to shoot it, he said. The province is already being sued by the Métis Nation of Alberta over its arbitrary decision to revoke a 2005 interim harvesting agreement that recognized Métis rights to hunt anywhere in the province. The province replaced the agreement in 2007 with a policy limiting hunting to 160-kilometre areas around the eight settlements and 17 other recognized communities in northern Alberta. The organization says the new policy "unjustifiably infringes the Métis right to harvest." The province has yet to file a statement of defence. dhenton@thejournal.canwest.com HUNTING TIMELINE 2003: Supreme Court of Canada rules in the Powley case in Ontario that Métis have a constitutional right to hunt and fish and gather for sustenance. 2004: Alberta negotiates an interim harvesting agreement with the Métis that recognizes their right to hunt for sustenance provincewide. 2007: Responding to protests from hunters, conservation groups and other First Nations, as well as a court decision that the interim harvesting agreement is not enforceable, Alberta cancels it. After failing to come to new terms with the Métis before a 90-day deadline, it arbitrarily implements a new policy limiting hunting to areas surrounding Métis settlements and excluding all of southern Alberta. A Saskatchewan provincial court affirms Métis rights to hunt in Qu'appelle Valley in southeast Saskatchewan. 2008: The Métis Nation of Alberta attempts to challenge the new policy in court by asserting its right to hunt in other areas of Alberta. The province charges 29 Métis hunters with violating fish and game regulations, but rather than decide the issue in one trial, the province elects to proceed with only a few cases at a time. Frustrated, the Métis Nation sues the province in December for refusing to recognize their right to hunt provincewide. 2009: A Manitoba provincial court decision recognizes the Métis right to hunt on 45,000 square kilometres of territory in southern Manitoba. http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Technology/M%C3%A9tis+hunter+fight+rights/1192879/story.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, January 19, 2009 9:52 am From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 2" Subject: EDITOR (Tougher legislation is needed.) PUBLICATION: The Calgary Sun DATE: 2009.01.19 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial/Opinion PAGE: 14 COLUMN: Letters to the Editor GOVERNMENT NO HELP IN GANG WAR In decrying the violence which took the life of an innocent, Keni Su'a, Ricky Leong looks to the government for solutions. ("Time to make outrage heard," Jan. 13.) Fat chance! The Chretien government gave us the firearms registry and useless Canadian Firearms Act in the aftermath of the Ecole Polytechnique tragedy. This ushered in what Justice Minister Anne McLellan referred to as a "culture of safety." Subsequent Liberal Justice Ministers have decried tough sentencing as not being a deterrent to crime in the face of the continued violence. Such partisan Liberal dogma may or may not be true, but it has been so many years since Canada tried getting tough with criminals instead of hunters and target shooters, how would we know? Perhaps it is time to give the Harper Conservatives the majority they need to get tough with violent offenders once and for all, and do away with all the useless huffing and puffing over duck guns and target pistols which has cost us so dearly, and yet done nothing to protect Canadians. Robert S. Sciuk EDITOR (Tougher legislation is needed.) http://calsun.canoe.ca/Comment/Letters/2009/01/19/8069466-sun.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:20:31 -0700 From: "Dennis & Hazel Young" Subject: FW: Afgan gun production, A Must Watch (Sound On) ! - -----Original Message----- From: Gary Mauser [mailto:mauser@sfu.ca] Sent: January 18, 2009 5:03 PM To: Gary Mauser Subject: *Fwd: Afgan gun production, A Must Watch (Sound On) ! fyi Cordially, Gary Mauser mauser@sfu.ca Begin forwarded message: JUST TO LET YOU KNOW ..WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST..AND WHY THIS WAR WILL GO ON AND ON.. > Subject: Afghan gun production (Sound On) ! > > > This video was taken near and at the entrance to the Khyber Pass. > It is the heart of gun manufacturing for any group with money and is > an eye opener. This area is well known for its Tribal independence > from any type of central government. > > > It takes about 7.5 min. to watch this, but it is well worth the > time. It shows why there is a NO-WIN for any outside interference > in the Afganistan/Pakistan Tribal Area. http://www.vbs.tv/full_screen.php?s=DGFE2305DC&sc=1363196 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` * I do realize, like most of you that this was originally submitted for post by Dr. Mike Ackermann on Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:47 pm. Re: "Gun control is a failed idea. Here's proof.", and that this URL has also been sent out by several others and is making the rounds privately since then. But it is good and reassuring to see that Prof. Gary Mauser is still working for our cause and is still with us, although not as directly as we'd like. But eh, it is good to hear from him again anyway. CFD Moderator- DRGJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:51:12 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: U.K. Deadliest weapon so far - the plague- The UK Sun http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2146286.ece Deadliest weapon so far --- the plague By ALEX WEST Published: Today ANTI-TERROR bosses last night hailed their latest ally in the war on terror - the BLACK DEATH. At least 40 al-Qaeda fanatics died horribly after being struck down with the disease that devastated Europe in the Middle Ages. The killer bug, also known as the plague, swept through insurgents training at a forest camp in Algeria, North Africa. It came to light when security forces found a body by a roadside. The victim was a terrorist in AQLIM (al-Qaeda in the Land of the Islamic Maghreb), the largest and most powerful al-Qaeda group outside the Middle East. It trains Muslim fighters to kill British and US troops. Now al-Qaeda chiefs fear the plague has been passed to other terror cells - - or Taliban fighters in Afghanistan. One security source said: "This is the deadliest weapon yet in the war against terror. Most of the terrorists do not have the basic medical supplies needed to treat the disease. "It spreads quickly and kills within hours. This will be really worrying al-Qaeda." Black Death comes in various forms. Bubonic Plague is spread by bites from infected rat fleas. Symptoms include boils in the groin, neck and armpits. In Pneumonic Plague, airborn bacteria spread like flu. It can be in the body for more than a week - highly contagious but not revealing tell-tale symptoms. The al-Qaeda epidemic began in the cave hideouts of AQLIM in Tizi Ouzou province, 150km east of the capital Algiers. The group, led by wanted terror boss Abdelmalek Droudkal, was forced to turn its shelters in the Yakouren forest into mass graves and flee. The extremists supporting madman Osama bin Laden went to Bejaia and Jijel provinces - hoping the plague did not go with them. A source said: "The emirs (leaders) fear surviving terrorists will surrender to escape a horrible death." AQLIM boss Droudkal claims to command around 1,000 insurgents. Training camps are also based in Morocco, Tunisia and Nigeria. AQLIM bombed the UN headquarters in Algiers in 2007, killing 41. Attacks across Algeria last year killed at least 70 people. In an interview last July, Droudkal boasted his cell was in constant contact with other al-Qaeda "brothers". a.west@the-sun.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:08:20 -0800 From: "Todd Birch" Subject: re: Teacher Accountability My wife is a highschool teacher with her MA. From what she tells me, teachers cannot be held responsible for student achievement. Their hands are tied with enforced curricula often devised by people with little or no time in the class room; i.e. politicians and school boards. What was that comment by Mark Twain about idiots and schoolboards? She gets extremely frustrated at times by watching students under achieve because they see no reason to excel when they will be passed in any case. Our society has made underachievement a goal, putting 'self-esteem' ahead of ability. What self-esteem can be had from graduating as a functional illiterate escapes me. It really breaks her heart when she is teaching at a rural school with a largely native student body. It is her observation that the parents do not value education or see it as a way to advance their children in the world, deeming it more important to pull them out of school for various reasons or not insist on regular attendance. It is also true that a kid cannot learn if under fed and comes to school without breakfast and no lunch. This is true of both the native and white cultures. Until we get rid of the 'welfare culture' mind set of entitlement, expect more of the same. TB ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V12 #972 *********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@scorpion.bogend.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:drg.jordan@sasktel.net List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@scorpion.bogend.ca FAQ list: http://www.canfirearms/Skeeter/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://www.canfirearms.ca CFDigest Archives: http://www.canfirearms.ca/archives To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next four lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@scorpion.bogend.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".)